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  • Setting the Facts Straight

    • Posted Nov 11, 2007 7:12 PM

      First of all Ken, I don’t know who you are or what you have gone through or are going through, but I know this-what you are doing is wrong. You sit in judgment of other people and think you know the heart of God. Yes you are right; many people get caught up in emotion. But there are many people who are not emotional. God is spirit and we must worship in spirit and in truth John 4:24. Those are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks John 4:23. Do you follow everything the Bible clearly says to? Do you do no work on the Sabbath at all? Have you sold all of your possessions and shared the proceeds with those in the church so that everyone who had a need would be provided for? I doubt it seriously. People like you make me angry with righteous indignation. Besides the word of God what do you have access to that others do not. The people in the church that you refer to have the Word of God which they can read just like you can and interpret it as the Spirit directs. Let them judge. If you don’t agree with it then find another church that suites you. But for your benefit I respond to your post.

      You said that music creates “sexual impulses.” So I would ask you are there orgies at your church now that praise music has been instituted? Have people been driven to uncontrollable lust for one another or for demons in the church’s services? I don’t know what kinds of songs are being sung at your church, but I can imagine that they are similar to the one’s that are sung at mine. I can but laugh at the assertion that a song, for example, such as “Heart of Worship” by Matt Redman or “How Great is Our God” by Chris Tomlin, could insight any lust in the hearts of anyone. Can you???? You say that we should learn from Jesus, but I ask you, by doing this are you doing like Jesus? Has any sin or impropriety been committed in your church? Or are people’s lives being touched and healed? Is God’s name being lifted up like never before? Oh yes I know you would say that you are lifting God up, which mean you think you have some power over Him. But I say you are confused. By saying we lift the Lord up we certainly do not mean that He is like a child dependent on our strength for we are his children and we need Him in our lives. But “we lift Him up” is a way of saying that we are not ashamed of God. We are saying that no matter our problem is or what has come against us we will not say oh God you can’t help me. We won’t minimize God, but we will magnify Him.

      Moving on to other things, you seriously do not know what you are talking about. The Jews were not non-Israelites. They ARE THE ISRAELITES! You can read this in the Bible. When the Israelites were taken into captivity in Babylon and they were freed to come back to the Holy Land they began to be called Jews, because they lived in Judea. If you assert that the Jews were “pipers, singers and dancers (who) were consigned by Jesus to the AGORA or marketplace where all pagan religions using prostitutes and sodomites, speakers and singers, musicians and dancers, sellers of radishes and young boys took place,” (Ken Sublett) then are you saying that Jesus was raised in this kind of environment? An environment with prostitutes and sodomites?? We know that scripture mentions nothing of this! Jesus is called “King of the Jews” for crying out loud. So in your opinion this is the kingdom he came to established? And where do radishes come into the picture? Isn’t that a vegetable? IDK. Were radishes against the Biblical dietary laws are something?? I have to ask you where are you getting your info from?????? I would like you to verify your sources.

      You said that the displays in the Bible where examples of people praising and singing “were reserved for sending life and death messages”. This is just not true. In 2 Samuel chapter six, the passage I referenced in my first post, the event is not a military venture. There was no invasion or danger. The nation of Israel was celebrating the return of the Ark of the Covenant back to Jerusalem. It was a national holiday. It is true that no one could enter the Temple but priest, and they could only enter under the conditions set by God in the Bible. This law of not entering the temple applied to everyone that wasn’t a priest. But the Levites did sing hymns to God in the inner courts of the Temple. You also speak that playing musical instruments was forbidden on the Sabbath. I am not sure what was or wasn’t forbidden by the Sabbath law, but healing the sick was forbidden also. However, that didn’t stop Jesus from doing it. Did it?

      And this is the place that I lose respect for you. You have the right to present your viewpoints and offer your proof, but you do not have the right to twist the Word of God to make it suite you. You took 2 Samuel chapter 6 and completely took it out of context. You make it seem as if the Lord was unhappy with David. But the scripture does not say this. David was not punished for this. The Bible does not say that David could not father children. For we know that he had children. Remember they had more than one wife back then and if God wanted to punish David he would not have been able to have anymore children from any of his wives. The Bible says that it was only Michal who could not bear children. This was a punishment for her, not King David. This event did not break up David’s marriage. Him murdering and committing adultery caused his son to die-not dancing before the Lord. King David was not a pagan or idolater. If he was, why is Jesus called the Son of David?

      Leaving you I have this question to ask. How do you equate music with homosexuals and effeminacy? My church condemns homosexuality and believes that those who are homosexual need to be set free by the power and love of Jesus. Also we have women on our praise team and our praise team is led by a woman. Not that she is praise leader because she is a woman, but she has been anointed to follow the Holy Spirit’s direction. We also have men on our praise team and they are not gay or effeminate at all. They also sing in the way their voices naturally sound- as men not sounding like women. Even if what you say has truth in it the customs and practices of the Levites were given to them by God so I see no validity in you view point at all.

      I hope you pray and seek Gods will in this and look more to the Word and not to whoever you get this info from. Well you know where to find me if you want to talk to me. I do hope you think about what I said and truly seek God’s will for your church. As the Bible says you shall no them by their fruit. If your church is bearing good fruit I would rejoice and join in to help them be the best church they can be.

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