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  • FALSE TEACHING: That the church divided over the Society and Organ

    • Posted Mar 14, 2009 3:44 PM

      This is in response to the following false claims made by all of those deliberately discording Churches of Christ.

      The bad habit of making ones opinions out to be the commands of God did not really take root in the Churches of Christ until the split over instrumental music and missions came about and the most extreme among us took control, some one hundred years ago. A short time when considering churches. Maybe a hundred years from now, Churches of Christ can look back on the last hundred years as a temporary wondering in the wilderness.

      This is the almost-total mantra of those trying to UNITE that which never EXISTED: as a guilt trip the effort is to continue the discord in an attempt to convert those to the use of instruments who NEVER used instruments: not even in their Catholic roots did anyone do "congregational singing with instrumental accompaniment." Those organs introduced into Cathedrals but NOT by the priests were used by monks and professionals. That is where they got their foot into the door by continuing their entertainment as PROCESSIONALS, intermissions and recessionals. In fact, the Catholics had never sliped into any form of tuneful singing because the Bible is not meltrical and cannot be sung in a tuneful sense. It was protestants who added singing as an ACT even while men like Zwingli resisted: in order to sing any of the Bible it has to be rewritten and do violence to many of the psalms.

      "Melody as tunefulness belongs to the 19th century" and even now means "a series of single notes." Melody has no connection to HARMONY. Harmonia in the Greek of the time still meant nothing more than UNISON singing of a scale whose notes in the Greek was "the normal inflections of the human voice." Harmony as MOVING TOGETHER also had a sexual or "goose clapping" meaning so that the lust has always been to FORCE people to MOVE TOGETHER where the music word DEMANDS dance.

      The false mantra is that the Church of Christ sectarianed out of the Christian Church in the 1906 census. Surprise! The Christian church did not exist in 1906 and would not BEGIN to sect out of the Disciples until 1927 and finally DIScounted by the Disciples in 1971. So, why would you believe the slander against the Church of Christ when the Christian Church sected out of the Disciples and therefore split the DISCIPLES. Good for them: those now pushing confiscation under the ploy of "unity" meetings cannot even feel honest. They gave confiscation up after massive sowing of discord after 25 years of almost total failure. Some of them have expressed regret over the extended effort to CONVERT happy churches to instruments because the division is worse than before: that is what happens when you tie the tails of two cats together and hang them on a clothesline. Union is NOT unity and scratches abound. Subverting about a dozen congregations out of numbers which may be 18000 congreations world-wide has had the DESIRED RESULT that lots of Biblical and Historical rebuttals have giving the non-instrumental churches more material from Genesis to Revelation and all of recorded history which will work better than "a law of singing" and Gopher wood. wink.gif

      The Christian Church SHOULD be UNITED with the Disciples of Christ if they want to restore the only thing busted. They will not because most of them never believed in the denominational structure or society TO WHICH the Church of Christ was never UNITED. However, they retained six or seven things that the Church of Christ would not approve of. That's their right: both they and the betrayers of their own congregations do not have the right to blame the Church of Christ none of whose ROOTS used instruments and many of them wrote the best material LONG BEFORE 1906: namely the Presbyterians who first began their writings when the Scotch Presbyterian State church adopted instruments and the same STATE organization as the State church of England. These "worship" rituals like the Temple in Jerusalem were STATE SERVICES like Washington Cathedral. The first Free Black Methodist church added instruments when DIVISION caused them to be short of cash: they held performances with instruments and it worked so well that they brought them INTO the house.

      The NACC had begun their guilt trip even before 1927 planting O.E.Payne's book into key Church of Christ hands: I have an original copy with "return after reading demand." This allowed Hardeman to trick them into in the Boswell-Hardeman debates. Maybe Donnie can track down Dr. Crump's review at CM which means Center of Meaning. This is based on Payne's collection of all of the PSALLO passages: too bad, too sad they ALL point to older males trying to seduce a younger male! Even then, psallo a warfare and pollution word EXCLUDES anything but plucking a string with your FINGERS.

      J.F.Burnett in 1921 refuting what became The Stone-Campbell Movement.

      http://www.piney.com/Stone.Campbell.Burnett.html

      After another effort to confiscate churches H. Leo Boles wrote in 1939

      http://www.piney.com/Unity.Boles.html

      You can find Al Maxey's denying Boles' his right to explain that unity never existed and cannot exist and need not exist any more than uniting with the Presbyterns.

      Boles speaks of "unity" from 1832 to 1849 but that consisted only of the few churches which met together. John Smith defines the "terms" of that agreement to agree but this agreement was quickly violated by the Disciples or Christian Churches when the Baptist converts demanded an organizational structure.

      To even say Stone-Campbell Movement (a Leroy Garrett scam) is to mislead people. Boles notes that in 1934 after the "meeting" in 1932.

      "In The Christian Messenger for November, 1834, is quoted an article from the Millennial Harbinger (Campbell's paper) as follows:

      "Or does he (Stone) think that one or two individuals, of and for themselves, should propose and effect a formal union among the hundred of congregations scattered over this continent, called Christians or Disciples, without calling upon the different congregations to express an opinion or a wish upon the subject?

      We discover, or think we discover, a squinting at some sort of precedency or priority in the claims of the writer of the above article," etc.

      "It is well known that Mr. Campbell insisted upon immersion before believers were received into fellowship, to which Stone answered:

      "We cannot, with our present views, unite on the opinions that unimmersed persons cannot receive remission of sins."

      And though later on he came to believe in immersion in water for the remission of sins, there is no evidence that he ever made it a test of fellowship, without which he could not have been a member of the Disciples of Christ.


      That is absolute proof that Stone was the SECT who refused to be UNITED with anyone teaching the Biblical demand for baptism FOR the remission of sins."

      JWMcgarvey on The Organ Question notes that:

      http://www.piney.com/McGarvey.Organ.html

      Up to the year 1869 the churches of disciples, with possibly a few obscure exceptions had abstained from the use of instrumental music in their public worship,

      and the preachers with no publicly known exceptions were opposed to it.
      It was opposed by some as being inexpedient, and by others as being unscriptural.


      Minimal, bare-bone honesty would insist that having a vew UNITE on terms which CAMPBELL approved, denied that the the terms which Stone repudiated meant unity but only "ability to meet at times on the TERMS articulated by John Smith in the Boles paper". Because the Christians ADDED the missionary society with a first attempt not long afterward and then IMPOSED instruments in a few of THEIR congregations even the agreement AMONG THE FEW was betrayed and made even assemblying together when the organ pumped impossible. Only a few churches of Christ even agreed to "meeting together on Sunday Morning" because the Disciples-Christian church had more Anglican roots. Campbell preached anywhere he was invited but demanded that the organ be silenced.

      Therefore, it is really a bad lie to blame the Church of Christ with its Baptist and Presbyterian roots with SECTING OUT of that which they NEVER UNITED. That is why the NACC seduced only those who were ALREADY DETERMINED to "lift up and move" (meaning heresy) that which belonged to the OWNERS into "unity" with the Christian Churches which "unity" NEVER existed at any time or place. If I visit a Baptist church which uses instruments no one can say that I am therefore UNITED with them.

      The Stoneites adopted the Shouting Methodists and the "music" thing which really got started at Cane Ridge when the powerful singing and polyrhythmic hand clapping of the Black groups had a huge effect on people. My wife's roots at the time of Cane Ridge, Flemingsburg etal resulted in the Pilgrim Holiness Church.

      http://www.piney.com/Cane.Ridge.Shouting.Method.html

      At that time Stone held not a single thing in common with what became the Church of Christ. He was willing to silence all doctrinal discussion because he believed that UNITY was the only important thing. However, never ever was their unity with Stone's beliefs: even Stone was forced to change when the charismatic altar call in Alabama utterly failed: when they began to preach baptism (understood by any mother with her Bible) the people found relief from their real and felt guilt.

      MARK IT DOWN: those who sow discord by claiming that the Church of Christ was a sectarian split off the Church of Christ are NOT going to tell you the truth about anything.
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