The re-imaging of feminist women scholars and "pastors" has led to the direct worship of SOPHIA the mother of ZOE. Beginning in ancient Babylon, these were the godesses who forced the "minor jehovahs" to form a musical worship team to worship the goddesses.

Some of these re-imaging women have instituted something like a love feast of bread, honey and other food products. Rubel Shelly and John Mark Hicks in their RE-VISIONING movement ask: "Can we DO the Lord's Supper in church."

As they are considered the THOUGHT LEADERS among the emerging church of Christ, the Madison Church has announced some obscure information about a LOVE FEAST following the Lord's Supper which will not be clear until the latest SOWING OF DISCORD movement hatches.

See the Concerned Members forum at the bottom of the page for Donnie Cruz's warning.

http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/thread?forumid=150389&messageid=1000170113#today

As a preamble for anyone about to be hit with the pagan AGAPE or love-feast, I have posted some notes to show that something mentioned in the Bible once or twice is not authority to SOW MORE DISCORD by adding the love feast as stage two to the "musical praise ritual" as a very ancient, pagan superstition that you can help the gods keep from failing. The daily love feast which should have been for the POOR ONLY was the occasion for super-apostles or unauthorized "preachers" to live off the flock even if they were "empty clouds."

The love feast in addition to the "eucharist" which Bible believers call "the Lord's Supper" which is just a showing forth or teaching activity, was momentarily added by the Reformers to substitute for the MASS. However, Agape as "unconditional love" also allowed men to fornicate with a brother's wife and offer up the product to the "Lord" and then consume the love feast. If you worship a pagan godess such as ZOE or AGAPE she will fill you with HER spirit.

Since the agape worships the goddess, AGAPE, it is not surprising that she, like her Babylonian model Inanna,

----"As the goddess of war and strife, she (Inanna/Ishtar) held the title Ninkur-ra-igi-ga, "the queen who eyes the highland" meaning that other lands feared her.

-----Battle was called the "dance of Inanna, and she was at the very heart of it.

-----She was "the star of the battle-cry, who can MAKE BROTHERS WHO HAVE LIVED TOGETHER IN TOGETHER IN HARMONY FIGHT EACH OTHER."

-----She is known for causing the fall of the city of Agade."

SHE IS THE BEGINNING AND END TIME BABYLON HARLOT. SHE IS AGAPE WHOSE LOVE YOU MAY NOT WANT TO REPEAT AFTER READING SOME EVIDENCE.

http://www.piney.com/AgapeSummary.html

Watch for the signs: if it doesn't happen then at least you will know what AGAPE ARE.

Kenneth Sublett

While you may not agree with the views of the OLD church of Christ B.M. (You remember, B.C. then A.D. and now B.M. or before me), one web newspaper reports on the doings of the Change Agents.

For instance, you may want to read the following:

http://www.eastcorinth.org/stop602.htm

This reports on the Pagan Agape or Love Feast at Skyway Hills Church of Christ. Yale Canfield.

Before the church was changed by Rubel Shelly and friends of RH from church or synagogue or school of the Bible into a pagan worship center, the stated purpose of the church was to MAKE KNOWN THE MANIFOLD WISDOM OF GOD and to Go, preach and teach.

That means that CHURCH should at least not be outrageously antithetical to the MONOTHEISM of faithful Christians, Jews and Muslims (replaced by Max Lucado and Rubel Shelly with the God Family with the Spirit Person now doing his dispensation).

Nor should it deliberately outrage Christians, Muslims and Jews with preside over or non-sedentary women. It can not be evangelistic and deliberately spit in their faces.

Nor can you DO the Lord's Supper in the context of a Feed Your Face with Swine Flesh and have any credibility with anyone but the ancient and modern pagans.

When Israel got tired of the food of God, He sent them quail until it spewed out of their nostrils:

------Numbers 11:33 And while the flesh was yet between their teeth, ere it was chewed, the wrath of the Lord was kindled against the people, and the Lord smote the people with a very great plague (clap).

The singing of superstitious EMPOWER GOD praise songs with hand clapping is God pouring out His wrath so that the world is NOT laughing with you but AT you.

Or does the NEW GLASSES for a NEW VISION of the church allow you to really tell adults that:

Jesus blessed the Bread And sWINE.

Oink if you love Jesus! (the new and improved version).

Kenneth Sublett

The "love feast" is something that's been done at Madison for at least 25 years. It's always been done toward the beginning of the assembly time, as a time of hand-shaking, saying "hello," etc. It's simply being moved to a time period following the Lord's Supper.

Every congregation I have been a part of for the last 20 years or so has had a love feast, though not all of them termed it such. Perhaps we should give it a scriptural term like: meeting and greeting - you know that's the term that'found right under the verse in the Bible that says "Let us now sing this song to prepare our minds to partake of the Lord's Supper!"
We must, after all, call Bible things by Bible names.

Thank you CB, for pointing out that this is a tradition of the Madison Church that comes from the era when the "change agents," many of them at least, were in Cradle Roll. I guess these heretics were scheming and divising plans way back then!

Jimmy, when you don't scoop up the evidence then you cannot reach a logical conclusion.

This began with a question about the LOVE FEAST which Madison was going to RESTORE right smack in the middle of the Rubel Shelly, John Mark Hicks Re-Visioning the church.

http://www.piney.com/RSReImaging.html

This was a DITTO of the feminists and Lesbian Methodist pastors and professors movement called Re-Imaging conference. This flowed out of Catholicism just like the Jubilee.

The LOVE FEAST of the Methodist Mistresses was based on the worship of SOPHIA right smack in Methodist churches. Well, fellow goddess Zoe seems popular in Nashville. The mistresses tranmorgafied the Lord's Supper into the Sophia- Zoe LOVE FEAST including HONEY as a pagan symbol. The LOVE FEAST concept to readers of history calls up vile, perverted sexual and homosexual activity to provide one of the VITAL INGREDIENTS of LOVE. Based on the Jubilee type rise of Gnosticism, if someone advertized a love feast I wouldn't eat NOTHING.

The Nashville meeting--undoubtedly attended by the Madison crew--claimed to have NEW GLASSES just like Peep- Stone Joseph Smith. Through these NEW GLASSES, they would get a NEW VISION for the emerging church of Christ defined by Fred Peatross as a Spectacle of Worship in the Emerging Church of Christ. Fred speaks much like Lynn Anderson in using terms directly from WITCHCRAFT.

http://www.piney.com/FPRSpectacle.html

In their conference John Mark Hicks was to ask: "Can we DO the Lord's Supper in church." The LOVE FEAST as an ancient pagan feast which was put down in the early church was DOING the Lord's Supper in the context of a daily LOVE FEAST and therefore the error of the daily Mass.

The LOVE FEAST has a DEFINED MEANING in history and it would be just as outrageous to call your DISTURBING THE PEACE act of worship "let's be friendly" the MARZEAH which was the pagan MUSICAL IDOLATRY at Mount Sinai for which God abandoned them to worship the STARRY HOST. You can see how this Worship with and for dead ancestors took place in Amos 5 and 6.

For instance, if you march your kiddies off to the beat of music on their way TO CANAAN LAND, the literate would wonder if you were going to hold the MARZEAH or musical worship as a sign that the PROMISED LAND had become THE KILLING FIELDS both CAUSED by musical worshi and MARKED by musical worship even as they were led off with fish hooks in their noses.

So, calling Bible things by Bible names just prevents the sowing of discord when there is no rational reason to define a new legalistic act of worship by the name of a Pagan festival. The Musical Worship team has the same "roots" so don't blame others if they question those using new magical terms like LIVING STONES or the CIRCLE concept of paganism. The LIVING STONES is a popular concept among charismatics and by some community churches dedicated to homosexuals. Why taint yourself?

So, in the midst of restructuring the Lord's Supper at other times and in the midst of a common meal, it created SPIRITUAL ANXIETY among the disciples when the "infiltrators and diverters" were just trying to keep people off target. The previous discussion looked at a church of Christ which had followed through and were holding the Lord's Supper with barbecue pork still in their teeth. I think the change agents arose in the failed forties and resurfaced in the charismatic '60s as I watched Dennis Bennett do the first Episcopalian CROSS OVER in Seattle. That was about the time Lynn Anderson was beginning to sow discord in the northwest and then in Texas. So new agents hatch out of old eggs.

Ken

Is there anything that you APPROVE of doing when God's people come together on Sunday's? Do you assemble with other christians on Sunday or do you stay at home where you will be certain that no one disagrees with you on any "doctrinal" point?

You know, I never mentioned anything, nor have I seen or heard anything in ANY church of Christ (or Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran churches for that matter) that even closely resembles anything you describe in your posts. I know of no church, including any on the churches mentioned in the posts on this site, that would pattern their "Love Feasts" after what you have described. As to the Jubilee, are you referring to the workshop-style program that Woodmont Hills C of C sponsored at one time? If so, I have been to that program several times and NEVER seen anything that you describe in your posts.

You may need to get off this preoccupation you have with sex and the worship service and start reading your Bible. Your posts are severely lacking in Biblical content, appealing only to what others have said and to historical documents written by those who have little or no affinity to Jesus and the Church. Perhaps it might be good if you were to tell us what the BIBLE says, and, even if you disagree with worship teams, and other practices, at least quit trying to connect your own brothers and sisters in the Lord to homosexuality and other sexual perversions. You are making connections where NONE exist and that is pure, un-adolterated false witnessing. Are any of the people you mention homosexuals? If you have knowledge that they are and can prove it, then show the proof and we'll all take note and mark them. Otherwise, you need to be quiet. You are not doing the cause of the Lord any good by your railing accusations. You may be making a mockery of everything that is sacred.

James

Jimmy, the subject is not ME or YOU but the LOVE FEAST. If people like to pick up THEMES, for instance, they should not pick on the Jezebel Jubilators for a "praise team." However, common sense and Biblical illiteracy does not prevent people picking up on the Catholic JUBILEE which was, for them, the REDEMPTION or ATONEMENT as if Jesus didn't perform the FINAL JUBILEE. Or how about a team called HALAL when the word in Arabic means "kosher meat" and in Hebrew "to make yourself vile." David did that when he stripped off his clothes to sing, play and dance with the camp follower slave girls. Don't blame me for DAVID, too--you guys USE him as your PATTERN.

If people suggest a LOVE FEAST then old literate me says, Duh? What is the meaning of the Love Feast. Well, then, the Bible doesn't have much to say about the Agapae except it was a place for the RICH to feed on the POOR. So, if I want to know about the AGAPAE I have to look up "Tham ole scholars" don't I?

Now, I did a sermon length (normal cost $1,000) article after about a full day's work and came up with:

http://www.piney.com/AgapeSummary.html

Now, I counted 40 Bible passages and could quote a hundred more. I mentioned the word SEX abut 8 times personally emphasizing my SCHOLARLY eye-witness accounts from the olden times.

Now, why is it that if I tell you that all of these FEASTS were both religious, musical and sexual in nature YOU just pick up on the sexual proofs and blame ME for warning you IF you are a singy-clappy type. I don't accuse but I am telling you that THIS IS THE IMAGE you project with hand flinging performance rather than---as you pretend---picturing Jesus and even claiming His role as MEDIATOR: "Leading the worshipers into the presence of God."

Now, if the girls and look-alikes decide to name some off the target PROGRAM of DOING church the "Thesmophoria" how do you decide whether it is just ignorant or evil?

Ken: I will allow my computer to be swept for porn if you guys will--no, erasing it will not remove it! I know the guy who can do it.




















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Doesn't the Bible also refer to christians as "living stones" or "lively stones," the former being from the NIV and the latter being from the KJV. Did God slip in not calling Bible things by Bible names?

James

No, Ken. You're wrong! You said: "the Madison Church has announced some obscure information about a LOVE FEAST following the Lord's Supper which will not be clear until the latest SOWING OF DISCORD movement hatches."

Again, I tell you: Madison isn't RESTORING a love feast, as you've erroneously reported. It has been done for AT LEAST 25 years there, as a scheduled "meet and greet." It has simply been moved to another point in the service to allow the children to get to an additional bible study during that time.

CB

It seemed obscure to the one reporting it.

That short period of time when the church observed a love feast it was held in the morning for the "as prospered" to buy food for the poor.

Unfortunately, this quickly reverted to something like an orgy as it was in the Agapae, the Marzeah and the PLAY at mount Sinai which came out of Egypt. The residual Catholic practice was DAILY EUCHARIST (sacrificing Jesus) with a special emphasis on the SABBATH as envisioned by the Cursillo-Emmaus movement as an evangelistic tool to make you Catholics or Methodists.

There was at the same time a RE-VISIONING workshop asking CAN WE DO THE LORD'S SUPPER IN CHURCH. The feminist RE-VISIONING saw the Lord's Supper as the Agapae using bread, veggies and HONEY which is consistent with the Sophia-Zoe Gnostic concept. They actually sing praise tunes to Mother Goddess Sophia-Zoe the female LOGOS (Jesus) and minor jehovahs. The Sophia-Zoe (Lucifer) or FEMINISTS had a brain and had to breath one into the MALES.

That's what happens when the PRAISE TEAM stands in the Holy Place or CHURCH when it would have been a capital offense in Judaism and in ANY OTHER PAGAN TEMPLE until Mother Goddess (Eve, Zoe, Mary) arose. Praise teams and instruments in the Holy Place or Church has no PAGAN parallel as far as I can determine. That means that not even the worst pagan temples permitted musicians in the presence of the "gods." That is why it is such a terminal sin when Jesus comes.

At the same time another church was following the procedure and eating the Lord's Supper with PORK still in their teeth.

So, you can understand why there is OBSCURITY when you call fellowship by the name of a pagan feast? I call it a FAMINE of imagination when I get set down and 15 seconds latter someone enthuses: "Let's do the legalistic ACT of 'let's be friendly for 15 seconds.'" Know what I mean?

My history shows that when you NAME something like that you put people's attention on the symbol which makes it an idol.

Ken

Are you saying that the love feast at Madison seemed obscure to the one who reported it to you? Or do you mean it seemed obscure to you when you reported it?

What do you mean by "obscure?" According to Webster it means: "shrouded in or hidden by darkness...not clearly seen or easily distinguished...not readily understood or clearly expressed." Anyone who attends worship at Madison would CLEARLY know what Madison's "love feast" is, so it couldn't be "obscure."

With the rest of your argument, you've brought in what other congregations have done with what they call a love feast and assumed that Madison does the same things they do. Ken, you're an intelligent fellow, but here, you're wrong.

I have attended love feasts for over thirty years. At the church, we are small enough that we often call them fellowship dinners. In all that time no one with whom I have attended a love feast has ever confused it with the Lord’s Supper or communion.

In the late 60’s and early 70’s, we called them love feast; it was sort of a fad. Most criticisms were that they were “charismatic”.

When I have dinner with other Christian friends, often it is indeed a love feast. To many today worry about the words, the jots and jittles. We should all meet together in love feast and invite Christ to enrich our fellowship.

If you try to can find a “pagan” or other non-Christian origin for any current practice, including walking. Let us all lighten up and develop a spirit of love that will result in true love feasts. We are New Testament, new covenant, sinners saved by grace, so let us avoid the law and seek grace.