To keep from using up too much space, I invite you to see for yourself whether there is a connection between Saturn (Satan) whose number is 666 and the following:

Why is the Sickle or pruning hook connected to the new favorite proof text for using instrumental music?

Why is winepress the sign of God's wrath? Why, in the Old Testament, is the winepress related to a new proof word for PLAYING instruments in worship?

Why is the most popular word for PLAYING instruments in the Old Testament parallel to the WINEPRESS playing word?

And why is this word connected to POLLUTING, PROSTITUTING and singing and playing to try to SEDUCE God and Ezekiel?

Why will the ASSYRIANS as THE TALLEST TREES in Eden and as source for NACHASH or serpent or musical enchanter, be punished with EVERY STROKE laid on to the music of the tambourines (source of Topheth) and Harps (source of defiling and vileness). Why will the king of Babylon rot on a bed of maggots along with his HARPS? Why will the end- time Babylon Harlot's musicians go to the same place?

And a question you will have to answer for yourself: "What did Jesus mean when He said that SOME people cannot understand because TRUTH has been hidden in parables from the foundation of the world"? And, "Am I one of the deaf and blind ones"?

Or, we invite someone else to take up the discussion.

Copy this link and paste it into your URL blank at the top of the page and hit RETURN or ENTER. This way, we can determine whether there is any interest in looking at the signs of the times.

http://www.piney.com/Pruning-Hooks-Sickle.html

Ken Sublett

I have drawn a quick sketch to show the essential features of the Temple in Jerusalem. You should remember that when Israel fell back into musical idolatry at Mount Sinai, God turned them over to the worship of the starry hosts which they had worshiped in Egypt and their ancestors had worshiped in Babylonia. The key Wandering Star was Saturn whose number is 666.

When they fired God and demanded a king "like the nations" it was so that they could worship like the Babylonian-influenced nations. God picked their leaders or "gave them kings in my anger and took them away in my anger."

The temple as part of the curse added to the Law of Moses was a CARNAL type which God would replace as the BODY of Christ. The sacrifice was fulfilled by the sacrifice of Christ and the GREAT NOISE created by the Levites was, in all nations, exorcism and not worship. It drove away the evil spirits and "called" their god into his temple. Solomon's "music grove" or Topheth, named after the tambourine, was where Molech (Saturn, Satan, 666) was worshiped by the same musicians.

In the New Testament the military musicians fulfilled the type and the prophecy of Psalm 41 with musical mocking. After that, they had no role to play. In the DSS translation of Psalm 41, the musicians saw Jesus as BELIAR as the clergy identified Him as Beelzebul.

However, not even in the vilest of pagan temples could the musicians enter the holy place. Like the Jewish musicians their role was NEVER in the type of the church of Christ. Therefore, to attempt to use musical talent to "lead them into the presence of God" has no historical precedent as far as I can determine. Sounds like the end time to me!

The Laver typified Baptism. The Holy Place was a type of the church or Body of Christ. The symbols in the Holy Place typified learning, communion and personal prayer. This was always available to the common Jews in the synagogue and was available to all of us as the church. The church was not a pagan WORSHIP institution and no musicians or "worship leaders" could enter.

Jesus said that the PLACES of secular worship had been replaced by the human spirit or mind. This is typified by the Most Holy Place where the throne of grace existed as the symbolic presence of God. God as pure or holy Spirit dwells in our heart and this is the ONLY place spiritual (rational) worship can take place.

Sorry, but the concept of WORSHIP LEADER utterly fails to grasp the meaning of CHURCH as school of the Bible (T. Campbell said "school of Christ") and confuses it with a pagan or Catholic "worship center" having restored the temple, sacrifice (mass), priests, the Tithe and what they confess as Levitical Singers.

Firing the deacons and replacing them with HIRED HANDS was the warning of God that the KING would take your tithe and children and use them to his FAVORITES. The sons would make instruments of chariots which were usually wind instruments to run before his chariot. Before he died, David planned that the Levites would perform the musical service where service is defined as HARD BONDAGE. They would not be under the priests but the KING and commanders of the ARMY.

http://www.piney.com/Temple-Body.html

Ken Sublett

The Bible clearly teaches that the King, Monarchy, Temple and all of its trappings were LIKE THE NATIONS including Babylon because THAT was Israel's prayer through the ELDERS. Furthermore, it was the DEATH SENTENCE imposed at Mount Sinai because of the musical idolatry.

Further, the SERMONIC approval of the worship in Amos 5, 6 and Isaiah 5 with the claim of JUST A BAD ATTITUDE (Lipscomb's new Bible Guru) gives absolute authority for instrumentalists to go beyond ORGANIC BANDS to add MECHANICAL BANDS.

FALSE DOCTINE defends as APPROVED BUT OBSOLETE WORSHIP the following: at Mount Sinai, The demand of the ELDERS for a king, the "worship" at the temple and being APOLOGISTS for the worship of the STARRY HOST in Israel because that was God's sentence (Acts 7). This SERMONIZING has left the body naked and exposed to hostile, musical attacks.

A Texas Preacher "chained to the pulpit" responded:

"I'm going to add one additional note: all your big definitions and word meanings are just wrong, and it is fascinating to see you cite not ONE lexicon to back any of that up. get a life, brother! your paranoid "we're persecuted and I'm the only one who sees the truth on this" mind set is scary and destructive. you've got no case here and need to quit hurting the cause of truth with your ridiculous rants."

This is the GUILT CLAUSE begun in the garden of Eden. However, those dominant pastors who go insane when the laity tries to say anyting BIBLICAL (golf and football is ok) IS THE MAN who contrary to God's firing the doctors of the law have TAKEN AWAY THE KEY TO KNOWLEDGE.

When I cited Ezekiel 20 as proof of what the context of 1 Samuel 8 makes clear even to a school boy, the preacher responded that Ezekiel was written later and could not be used to prove what 1 Samuel 8 clearly states.

Therefore, I have posted the text of 1 Samuel 8 with some chapter 10 along with numerous parallel agreements for Scripture, from church historians, from modern church of Christ commentary and even from MYTHOLOGY.

Burton Coffman makes it clear to any reader of the Old and New Testaments that Israel's repudiation of the rule of God by the old ELDERS set the stage for their continued rejection of JESUS CHRIST as king, prince, Mediator, etc by the first century leaders. And it sets the stage for the modern' "elder's" repudiation of the word of God and the demand for a king who will let us worship with the BABYLON-influenced nations with music.

http://www.piney.com/First-Samuel-Eight.htm

When people become APOLOGISTS for Israel's total apostasy and defend the worship of Satan as Molech, Remphan, Chiun or Saturn (whose number is 666) condemned by Amos 5, 6 and Isaiah 5 and many other passages, then you KNOW that the stage is being set to reject KING JESUS by "kings set over us by the elders" and beginning the DEFENSE of musical worship. Saturn's SICKLE in the Hebrew is the same as a musical instrument. His number is 666 and musical reaping is his MARK. He stomps in the New Wineskin Vat.

If you don't become a personal DISCIPLE then you cannot be a Christian or a disciple of Christ. You are being led over the cliff however sincere the leaders of new mega temples may believe themselves to be. Those blind people who follow the blind leaders ABSOLUTELY DESERVE WHAT THEY GET according to Jesus.

Kenneth Sublett

While there are readers we will post material which relates to ALL churches who have added the idolatry of a MUSICAL WORSHIP TEAM. While there is no difference between it and an MECHANICAL TEAM, it is a fact that those TEAMING UP on the paying "audience" are on their happy way to adding instruments beginning "around the edges."

In reviewing the 'white paper' sent from Farmer's Branch church of Christ, I separated out the appeal to several Hebrew MUSICAL words.

We pointed out in review that these words ALL relate to Satan, stealing one's inheritance and male and female prostitution.

These were the performing artists such as Jubal in the Bible and other characters perverted by Satan to use musical and theatrical performance to SEDUCE the holy people away from the Living Word of God. Once seduced into the valley of the Cainites (Jerusalem, Sodom, Egypt, the Assyrians, Babylon) they had FALLEN and would never get up. Why was this? it was because the MUSIC was both a cause and a MARK that people had cut themselves free of God and His word.

In the article on NAGAN and some other proof text words for playing instruments at:

http://www.piney.com/Farmers-Branch-Nagan.html

We have added a rough comparison of Isaiah 47 and Revelation 18. The TYPE shows that God POLLUTED the people and drove them into captivity with the use of musical instruments where Halal like CHalal means to "play the flute, pollute, prostitute or take away one's inheritance."

In Revelation 18 the end- time Babylon Harlot worship exactly fulfills Isaiah 47 where the sodomites polluted or took away the WORD of God. The king/queen of Tyre as LUCIFER or musical enchanter in the garden of Eden and the king/queen of Babylon went into SHEOL with her musicians and instruments.

The end time "harp-playing prostitute" will again be polluted and driven back underground with her musicians so that there can again be peace on earth from those who perverted the Word to Sow Discord among brethren.

We have collected some other passages to PROVE that singers and musicians in a religious sense were traders or polluters because minstrels were Sodomites. The singing girls in the actual temple in Jerusalem are defined by both singing an playing as prostitutes who went along with the Sodomites polluting the temple.

http://www.piney.com/Temple-like-Nations.html

We don't know any PERFORMING ARTISTS replacing Lord Jesus in the Holy Place. However, the 100% Biblical and historical evidence makes it utterly impossible for spiritual people to even think about bringing them into the Holy Place to represent what a Christian should look like and how they should "look at me and do what I do" in worship.

Kenneth Sublett

A church is NOT RESTORED when it violates the direct command of Paul and the approved example of Jesus Christ.

Paul DID NOT command SINGING as an act which means that singing is a magical ritual whatever the content.

Paul's direct command was to TEACH OR PREACH one to another and the content is PSALMS, HYMNS AND SPIRITUAL SONGS.

In Romans 15 Paul made it very clear: Glorify God WITH ONE VOICE by TEACHING that which is written.

Decades of REPUDIATING the Words (Spirit) of Jesus and direct commands of Paul have now HATCHED OUT as VIPER'S EGGS into full scale idolatry which began in the garden of Eden. Jesus identified those as DEVILS and LIARS who "Speak on their Own."

We have posted what the Bible makes clear and scholarship confirms about the RESOURCES of "singing" which IS NOT a musical term in the Greek:

http://www.piney.com/Psalms-Hymns-Spiritual.html

Ken Sublett

The Canaanites were the people who always turn religion into a "den of thieves, a house of merchandise." They helped plague Jerusalem with singers AND players who were prostitutes or sodomites. Their goal was never spiritual but to steal money and sell people into SLAVERY.

The DISCIPLINE of Christ as opposed to A RELIGION, dispenses with the need for anyone who can TRAFFIC on others. By becoming our ONE teacher through that "which has been taught" Jesus outlawed DOCTORS OF THE LAW and the need for TRAFFIC or COMMERCE or MUSICAL STRANGERS to prop up the mega- churches as end time towers of Babylon. Zechariah who prophesied that the name of the TRUE BRANCH would be Jesus, Joshua or Jehovah- Saved said:

"Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the Lord of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein:

-----"and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the Lord of hosts. Zec.14:21

To say Chaldean was to say "astrologer" and to say peddler or trafficker was to say Canaanite:

--Kenaaniy (h3669) ken-ah-an-ee'; patrial from 3667; a Kenaanite or inhabitant of Kenaan; by impl. a pedlar (the Canaanites standing for their neighbors the Ishmaelites, who conducted mercantile caravans): - Canaanite, merchant, trafficker.

----Kenaan (g3667) ken-ah'-an; from 3665; humiliated; Kenaan, a son of Ham; also the country inhabited by him: - Canaan, merchant, traffick.

The Kenites or Cainites were the most ancient agents of Satan. The character Genun as a composite of Jubal, Jabal, Tubal- Cain and Naamah was seduced in his youth by Satan. He was taught how to organize mixed- sex choirs, make wine, make musical instruments as "houses" of the gods and beautiful clothes and other luxury goods. The Biblical Lamech family were TRAFFICKERS who collected all of the "cows" or people BEHIND WALLS for his own use.

Isaiah in chapter 25 observes:

"For thou hast made of a city an heap; of a defenced city a ruin: a palace of strangers to be no city; it shall never be built. Isa 25:2

Strangers

"Zuwr (h2114) zoor; ... turn aside for lodging... to commit adultery

--"Shuwr (h7788) shoor; a prim. root; prop. to turn, i. e. travel about as a HARLOT or a MERCHANT: - go, sing. See also 7891.

-----"Shiyr (h7891) sheer; or (the orig. form) 7788 (1 Sam. 18:6), shoor; a prim. root [rather ident. with 7788 through the idea of strolling minstrelsy]; to sing...

Thou shalt bring down the noise of STRANGERS, as the heat in a dry place; even the heat with the shadow of a cloud: the BRANCH of the terrible ones shall be brought low. Is.25:5

It is always called NOISE and not MUSIC.

Noise is: Shaown (h7588) shaw-one'; from 7582; uproar (as of rushing); by impl. destruction: - * horrible, noise, pomp, rushing, tumult (* -uous).

----"But I will send a fire upon Moab, and it shall devour the palaces of Kirioth: and Moab shall DIE with tumult, with shouting, and with the sound of the trumpet: Am.2:2

Putting the Branch branch to the nose was a nose flute. Here, the pagan branch was:

--"Zamiyr (h2158) zaw-meer' rom 2167; a song to be accompanied with instrumental music

--"From the uttermost part of the earth have we heard songs, even glory to the righteous. But I said, My leanness, my leanness, WOE unto me the treacherous DEALERS have dealt treacherously; yea, the treacherous dealers have dealt very treacherously. Is.24:16

YOU CAN BUY ONE AT ALMOST ANY ONCE- CHRISTIAN COLLEGE!

----Zamar (h2167) zaw-mar'; a prim. root [perh. ident. with 2168 through the idea of STRIKING with the fingers]; prop. to touch the strings or parts of a musical instrument, i. e. play upon it; to make music, ACCOMPANIED by the voice; hence to celebrate in song and music: - give praise, sing forth praises, psalms.

When Tyre as Lucifer, the harp- playing prostitute, returned from 70 years captivity, she would again

"Take an harp, go about the city, thou harlot that hast been forgotten; make sweet melody, sing many songs, that thou mayest be remembered. Isa 23:16

--"And it shall come to pass after the end of seventy years, that the Lord will visit Tyre, and she shall turn to her HIRE, and shall commit fornication with ALL the kingdoms of the world upon the face of the earth. Isa 23:17

The SEEKER SYSTEM loves to invite in the MIXED MULTITUDE but she invites her own destroyers.

----"And her merchandise (traffic) and her hire shall be holiness to the Lord: it shall not be treasured nor laid up; for her merchandise shall be for them that dwell before the Lord, to eat sufficiently, and for durable clothing. Isa 23:18

ALL religious traffic predicted to EXPLODE with the arousal of the end- time Babylon Whore worship directly parallels that of Tyre ruled by a type of the female LUCIFER

However, they would be destroyed because:

"The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have TRANSGRESSED the laws, CHANGED the ordinance, BROKEN the everlasting covenant. Isa 24:5

--"The MIRTH of tabrets ceaseth, the NOISE of them that rejoice endeth, the joy of the harp ceaseth. Is.24:8

These songs of treachery noted above:

"Zamar (h2167)... to make music, accompanied by the voice

Treacherous means to COVER with another garment." Perhaps a wolf with a new sheep's skin. Apollo or Abaddon covered himself with the skin of an innocent DOLPHIN to NAVIGATE THE WINDS OF CHANG to Delphi.

"And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the NOICE of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare: for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake. Isa 24:18

The king of Babylon would be taunted in the pit or Sheol:

"Thy pomp is brought down to the SHEOL, and the NOISE of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms (MAGGOTS) cover thee. Isaiah 14:11

The identical turn to LUXURY and calling it RELIGION is the prophesied but now Babylon Harlot being motivated by the rise of Apollyon or Abaddon. As Apollo he is the founder of the Seeker-Center using music to seduce MINISTERS into his service. The motive is that with the use of music those things the DENS OF THIEVES Lust after are made more abundant--for a short time:

"And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; Rev 18:22

This is parallel to the LUCIFER warning in Ezekiel 26: it is Lucifer and HER music from the garden of Eden to the time when Jesus returns to the consternation of those with the musical MARK rather than the Word of God MARK.

Playing AND singing is always associated with literal or spiritual prostitution. Even in the temple court the MILITARY LEVITES were enacting a pagan TYPE of the musical mocking and slaughter of Lord Jesus Christ.

Doesn't it make you queasy to WORSHIP the professional performers STANDING IN THE HOLY PLACE when not among the Jews nor the vilest pagan temple could SINGERS or PLAYERS enter into the Holy Place as a carnal type of the church of Christ or the Most Holy Place (our spirit) where we meet God in worship--one at a time in my brain, please.

Stay awake and keep your clothes with you: I love the SIGNS.

Ken Sublett