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December 1 2004 at 10:30 AM
 
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To all involved in these discussions: I am sorry to have come across this website when looking up information about RHCC. I love this church, it's mission, and the elders that are appointed here. It is disheartening as a young christian looking for good christian examples to see grown men and women bashing one another and fighting over the internet. I ask you, what in these hurtful words is lifting others up and bringing souls to Christ Jesus? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that our main mission as followers of Jesus? I beg you to think of what your doing that is causing so much hurt in people you don't even know.

Lauren Felps

 
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This is my exhortation to all

January 12 2005, 12:26 PM 

The first time I heard about the RHCC, I happened to come across it while on the internet. I was just looking up information about christian youth ministries and events around the US. Having been raised in the church, and in a relative small congregation I was in awe of the many activities and the number of people who attend this church. I equated success in numbers with blessings from God. But in every great number I can see that there is a great number of hidden agendas, opinions, and sentiments. They may all be brought by our own intention of seeking God but we have to go back to our first love which is in Jesus. We must first be humble and try to come to God for wisdom and in all be loving in manner and character, even in our efforts to bring a brother back on the path of truth. I have seen this website of concerned christians as a means to voice their concerns to the leaders and the efforts and confidence of some to confront the leadership was a God given one. Even God in our position of servants allows dialogue and allows to come to Him in prayer with confidence that he will hear us. God is well concerned of all that is happening in his body and in each soul which he claims so the shepherds as men of God and in such leadership should also tend to the concerns of this part of the body.
After reading all this I cannot help but be concerned about it myself. By reading this GOd has shown me the reason why Paul had to be writing so many letters as he established churches all over and as they grew. There are so many things which can go wrong but we need not to be discouraged by these things. Instead go back to the Bible and hold onto the truth, because the truth shall set us all free. We need to go back to our first love, back to the basics of what being a christian is, find what exactly pleases God and abide in his truth that he established, forgetting all opinions and all preferences. You just cannot in any way please everyone but be sure that in word and deed you please our Lord because at the end we will be giving account to Him. However Those found in the truth will be blameless, so to all i exhort you to continue in the truth and do not sway or waver from it.

I will keep you all in my prayers!

 
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Fred Graham

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Dr Patrick Mead

February 7 2006, 9:48 AM 

Dr Patrick Mead, pulpit minister, Rochester Church of Christ,MI, is a regular speaker on the change agent circuit. There is one topic that Dr Mead will not speak about:
Which institution awarded him his doctorate.
Could it be the same one he obtained his MA from?
http://web.archive.org/web/20010129053000/www.gs-coc.com/minister.htm

Columbia Pacific University - a discredited degree mill closed by the State of California.

http://www.dca.ca.gov/press_releases/2000113.htm
http://www.ptreyeslight.com/stories/dec24/chileno.html

"Columbia Pacific has provoked no less criticism. Alarming anecdotes punctuate the education council's findings:
One master's-degree student was given credit for "a learning contract describing how he would continue taking dance lessons and watch dance demonstrations in order to improve his skills as a Country Western dancer."
A Ph.D. dissertation written in Spanish was approved by four faculty who cannot speak the language.
One dissertation "had no hypothesis, no data collection, and no statistical analysis. A member of the visiting committee characterized the work as more like a project paper at the college freshman level." The dissertation, The Complete Guide to Glass Collecting, was 61 pages long.
At least nine students who received Ph.D.s in 1994 had been enrolled less than 20 months, four of them less than 12."

"Dr" Mead has spoken at Richland Hills. Please "Dr" Mead, who awarded your Phd? Where can we read your thesis? Who was your supervisor?

 
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Patrick Mead: False Teaching on Instrumental Music

December 30 2007, 12:48 PM 

Trouble has surrounded Rochester: the college and the church. I was asked to supply information about a series of sermons by Patrick mead. As to questions of his scholarship, I can verify that he never read the Old Testament and shows no interest other than by looking up "instrument" passages in a lexicon and then FLOODING the congregation with a flood of "assertions" intended to prove that the Old Testament if FILLED with God commanding instrumental music. The other more likely fact is that he is reading off the Christian Church or NACC facilitator's list by men such as David Faust used as HANDLER for some of the "stealing church houses of widows."

I listened to the first sermon--which sounded like Rich Atchley's and Mark Henderson's--and have begun a review.

I will post this review on the internet and it will be changed and improved as I have editing time.

http://www.piney.com/Patrick.Mead.html

You are free to do a rebuttal or question me directly on e-mail. The review is in images and may be slow to load but lets me keep the formatting:




Before looking at Patrick's FLOOD of "proofs" none of which related to the congregational meetings of the "civilians" in the Qahal, synagogue or church in the wilderness where vocal and instrumental rejoicing was OUTLAWED, it is important to see that Jesus claimed to have HIDDEN the truth from anyone who lifts prooftexts out of context and CANNOT see the massive and radical condemnation of instrumental noises: this is always the MARK of people trying to silence the Word of God. If you listen to the new musical "worship services" it is clear that when Jesus is replaced by women or the effeminate it is a mark of falling into the promised delusions.

 
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Patrick Mead Review Part Two

December 31 2007, 7:19 AM 

This is the link to the Crooked Generation treated by Jesus as a RACE so perverted and truth hating that He refused to speak to them other than through parables. If the false teachers cannot understand that all of the Bible POINTS to something outside of it they will miss the fact that the crooked race or the race of vipers are the people who "sing while getting drunk on wine." They are well documented in the literature which not even the best Greek scholar reads because they don't look where Paul and others point. This is a collection of comments only:

http://www.piney.com/Acts.2.Crooked.html

Contrary to the claim all of those ignoring all of the Word of God and trying to IMPOSE what was the curse of God on Israel because of musical idolatry. And they all read off the PAGES of the NACC all of which deliberately twist all of the Bible and historical scholars. At the same time they are utterly silent about the prophets who UNIQUELY spoke by the Spirit OF Christ who utterly condemn instruments a identify the SUPPLIER as Lucifer or Satan. So, no good to label truth speakers as of the Devil. Didn't the Jewish legalistic sectarians do that to Jesus who spoke VOLUMES condemning musical performers. Here is a link to the Burgess material which identifies the PSALLO word as pointing to perverts:

http://www.piney.com/Music.Burgess.98.html

Continuing to review Patrick's errors from the Old Testament but first to MARK music and the promise of Jesus that He would utterly take away the ability to understand the Word. Again, may be a slow load.




Jesus is going to point to Isaiah and Ezekiel--guided by the Spirit OF Christ--to tell God's FULLER story and identify the Scribes and Pharisees as hypocrites by pointing out "rhetoricians, singers and instrument players." Not surprising, John almost at the end of the Bible identifies them as SORCERERS who HAD deceived the whole world.

 
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Patrick Mead: #3

January 2 2008, 10:46 AM 





 
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Rochester elders Agree with Patrick Mead?

January 9 2008, 3:48 PM 

ROCHESTER CHURCH OF CHRIST Review of Patrick Mead #2. Patrick asks "how it all got started" teaching that the Christians were too timid to CONTINUE to use instruments. Most of the scholars quoted to prove that the church never used instruments are quoted in a new and "troubling" way of twisting facts.

http://www.piney.com/Rochester.2.html

Patrick claims that the church CEASED the use of instrumental music. He associates those noble scholars who explained WHY instruments were the marks of a fall from grace, by first labeling them as murderers, tyrants, deviants and Jew Haters. He claims that Alexander Campbell got his anti-instrumental views from John Knox whom he labels as a murderer.

Quoting Clement who makes man (the race) a more beautify instrument for SPEAKING the Word, he intimates that he was more interested in worshiping the male than refuting instruments.

This is a quick listen and review and I will correct if I have misunderstood.

I will continue to look at some of the "proof" which Patrick says proves that "God not only TOLERATED instrumental music but COMMANDED it." However, he uses the usual "calm the nerves" by saying they will not use instruments on SUNDAY as if using instruments to train up the children is not a problem. The driven purpose by beginning with instruments is to GROW your own instrumental church.

Is this reeally the MARK this church wants to OUT?

 
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singers, musicians and listeners called hypocrites by Jesus.

February 7 2008, 4:48 PM 

Jesus identified the Scribes and Pharisees as hypocrites by pointing to Isaiah and Ezekiel: Ezekiel identifies performance speakers, singers and instrument players. Those who attend to be entertained are also called hypocrites. A musical instrument is identified as NOTHING, just nothing at all: it showed that people had no intention of listening to God.





 
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