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Richland Hills Church and the Willow Creek Community Church

December 18 2004 at 2:34 PM
 
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The “Richland Hills Church of Christ” is a member of the Willow Creek Association. Here’s the evidence:

http://www.willowcreek.com/wca_info/find_a_church/SearchResult.asp?Basic=1&Name=richland+hills+&State=TX&Country=

“The churches that have joined the Willow Creek Association have shown an interest in the method and philosophy of Willow Creek Community Church. All the member churches have professed an evangelical Christian faith, which crosses various denominations….” See the following link:

http://www.willowcreek.com/wca_info/find_a_church/ProfileSearch.asp

Donnie

 
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129.109.231.142

way to go Richland

February 7 2005, 8:32 PM 

Glad to see they are getting with a church that has a passion for those who are lost and need to know JESUS (not c of c doctrine).

 
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63.84.81.5

Re: way to go Richland

February 8 2005, 3:09 PM 

Lots of things have gone wrong: but the same PEOPLE who broke it--for CASH--now want MORE CASH to fix it. My wife's Jeep Mechanic: "I broke your heater but I will fix it for $300.00." So, the hate you seem to feel for the "c of c" should be directed toward the same people who did a sudden U TURN when they learned how to MILK the cow for big BUCKS.

Easy with that PASSION word, Roy. It is clear that Jesus "suffered or had something happen to Him, to be or come to be in a state or case." But, Roy, I am afraid that you might mean "breathing hard" which passion in a religious sense with MUSIC ALWAYS meant. Paul said to PLANT and WATER and the "water is free" and woe to those who TRAFFIC by watering the water. Then just COOL IT, Roy, God has to be LEFT something to do. So, let us agree to ALLOW Him to be passionate about giving the increase. Here is the meaning of RITUAL PERFORMANCE WORSHIP which I agree has become a "c o c" problem:
    Org-aô. I. to be getting ready to bear, growing ripe for something, swell with lust, wax wanton, be rampant. of human beings and animals, to be in heat, desire sexual intercourse, to be urgent

    Orgi-a , iôn most freq. of the rites of Dionysus II. generally, rites, sacrifices, SIG57.4 (Milet., v B. C.), A.Th.179 (lyr.), S.Tr.765, Ant.1013 ; orgia Mousôn

The MUSES are the MUSICIANS in Revelation 18. They were under Apollo, Abaddon or Apollyon. They were sent UNDERGROUND for failing to worship the Mother Goddess (Eve, Zoe, etal). Apollyon digs them up as LOCUSTS. They, along with the instrumentalists will go back into hell with the Babylon Harlot. In John's view she was Circe whome we worship with the name CHURCH instead of Assembly.
    Choreuô [choros]I. to dance a round or choral dance, Soph., etc.; esp. of the Bacchic chorus, II. c. acc. cogn., phroimion choreusomai I will dance a prelude (to festivities), Aesch.; ch. gamous to celebrate them, Eur.; orgia Mousôn
All religious musicians celebrated the heiros gamous or sacred marriage where the AGENTS of the gods enacted the Holy Marriage of the Holy Whore. Orpheus was the Tracian who invented the Dionysus form of sexual-musical worship. The Lesbian women helped by adding a TUNE and INSTRUMENTS to the reciting or reading Homer and thereby polluted or insulted him as WE insult God.
    "Nor are these Thracian orgies, from which the word Worship (threskia) is said to be derived; nor rites and mysteries of Orpheus, whom the Greeks admired so much for his wisdom that they devised for him a lyre which draws all things by its music. Nor the tortures of Mithras
Roy, when God pours out His WRATH he causes people to hire BUFFOONS who help create an ORGE. With the musical idolatry of the trinity at Mount Sinai the people were PASSIONATE about one another and fell for the sucker bait that sexuality or VIRTUAL sexuality binds the spirit and flesh together. However, God said that the AUDIENCE saw them as a LAUGHINGSTOCK. The wine from God's new winskin of WRATH is poured out during these end times.
    Orge (g3709) or-gay'; from 3713; prop. desire (as a reaching forth or excitement of the mind), i.e. (by anal) violent passion (ire, or [justifiable] abhorence); by implication punishment: - anger, indignation, vengeance, wrath.
Roy, rather than having a sacred PASSION for souls, the PRIESTHOOD and professional MUSICIANS and an "exciting worship ritual" is PROOF that deep down in the CORE of these people they HATE people and HATE saving souls. You cannot RULE OVER people before you first learn to HATE THEM. The EXCITEMENT which Paul outlawed in Romans 15 and the subject of Luther's writings below would REFUSE to be Christ-Like who never used "mental anxiety" to literally FORCE people to follow Him. It is HATE, Roy, HATE. If you lie, cheat and steal the church houses of widows and even joke about it and TRAFFICK in the successful PATTERNISM they it is HATE. i have listened to a few SERMONS from Texas and I hear SPIRITUAL VIOLENCE.

The word SINGING means to ENCHANT and to create EXCITEMENT of the mind. When you hear the singy-clappy teamys AROUSING the paying audience then you know that God is pouring out His wrath because you have ALREADY decided that you will not WORSHIP in the sense of falling on your face knowing that God is STILL a "consuming fire." That is why it is IMPOSSIBLE to hear Paul's passages which ABSOLUTELY DEMAND that we SPEAK or TEACH or ADMONISH using "that which is written" and that the SINGING and MELODY be in the HEART. By refusing to direct singing and melody externally one to another we PREVENT arousing the PASSION which is fron an UNholy spirit of lust--no more! Hiring rhetoricians or sOPHISts (serpents), singers and musicians MARK you as lusting for what the Greek defines as SORCERERS. Because they have NO power this is why they are always called PARASITES and the musicians were always prostitutes or sodomites.

It might make you PASSIONATE, Roy, to grasp that Jesus died to build His Ekklesia or Synagogue or SCHOOL of the Bible. Roy, you don't get PASSIONATE when you accept the invitation of Jesus to the twos and threes to "come learn of ME." Now, the Jews HOPED that Dionysus who had been worshipped along with Zeus in the temple as the Abomination of Desolation. This is why they PIPED hoping to get Jesus and others to fall into the Dionysus SONG and DANCE. As Carol Wimber says Music helps reach a "climactic-like" experience with the spirit and GIVING OF MEANS IS THE last act of worship, this THRESKIA form of musical ceremonial legalism intended to INDUCE a sexual or homosexual EXPERIENCE: that was what THEY were PASSIONATE about and I have not been able to find a single exception You know the New Wineskins thingy?

The word in the Bible is:
    Threskos (g2357) thrace'-kos; prob. from the base of 2360; ceremonious in worship (as demonstrative), i.e. pious: - religious.
What you MIGHT be passionate about is IMPURE religion. However, pure religion cannot be done in HOUSES made with human hands: cool that passion!
    Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world. Ja.1:27
The LADEN BURDEN means "spiritual anxiety created by religious ritual." Therefore, God TOOK AWAY ceremonious worship which can be DEMONSTRATED to the human pleasure centers ABSOLUTELY. When people RESTORE such ceremonies they are AGENTS of Dionysus and /or Orpheus whom Paul warned against in Romans 14 if you know a bit of Paul's background. That means perverted, polluted and absolutely HATE MONGERING. I say the lust when they gather as bonded buddies and talk about how they have DEFEATED the old LEGALISTS.

Now, another c o c legalistic, traditionalistic, patternistic thingy is about HOUSES and a PRIEST CRAFT. Now, don't forget to remember that God gave Israel a PRIESTHOOD when they rose up in MUSICAL IDOLATRY of the Egyptian TRINITY at Mount Sinai. This priestcraft--which Alexander Campbell called the CRAFTIEST craft of all was a PUNISHMENT when God turned them over to worship the starry host of which Saturn or 666 was important (see Acts 7 and what got Stephen murdered by the CRAFTSMEN.

I would agree with you in being PASSIONATE about doing a Hezekiah temple cleaning animal sacrifice. You may have heard of churches which run a PONZI scheme where they build MEGA-temples by selling bonds. THEN they don't pay interest to suffering retired people (I knew one such baited sucker) because WE GOTTA SAVE UP THAT INTEREST until we get ENOUGH to build! But, you may not get PASSIONATE about what makes bond holders PASSIONATE.

Martin luther and John Calvin agreed about a RESTORATION MOVEMENT and the churches of Christ for one brief moment followed the pattern. Hear Martin Luther BREATH HARD against schemes and scams by those whom you CAN believe when they say "I will do ANYTHING to save more souls." What they realy mean is "I will do ANYTHING to move funds from YOUR child's health care account to MY retirement fund."



Martin Luther wrote about Romans 15 where Paul solved the Romans 14 potential problem when he DIRECTLY COMMANDED that we not PLEASURE one another. Onl then can we glorify God with one MOUTH and one MIND by "speaking" that which is written. Then our PASSION will not offend people who see musical and theatrical preachers as too, too "passionate."

50. The apostle enjoins us to be like-minded "according to Christ Jesus"; that is, from a Christian point of view.
    For unbelievers, too, are like-minded, but according to the flesh, the world and the devil, and not according to Christ.
    The Jews were of one mind against God and his Christ, as Psalm 2, 2 tells us. Christian unity resists sin and everything opposed to the religion of Christ without, however, committing or designing any sin. It works to the unifying of Christians generally, first with reference to faith and then to outward conduct.
51. When one is weak in faith and defective in conduct, the spirit of Christian unity, though deploring his condition, does not forsake him, much less disparage, reject or condemn him. His Christian fellow is interested in his welfare and conducts himself toward the weak one as he would himself be treated, and as Christ has indeed treated him in similar and more important matters. Thus is perpetuated that principle wherein the individual follows the way approved of others, conforming to their views and adhering to the same opinions. But the obstinate pursue a course quite the reverse, forsaking, rejecting and judging him who differs from them, and following their own ways, guided by their own opinions; as do the orders of popery, and other sects.
    "That with one accord ye may with one mouth glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ."
52. All the good we can do to God is to praise and to thank him. This is the only true service we can render him, according to his words in Psalm 50, 23:
    "Whoso offereth the sacrifice of thanksgiving glorifieth me; and to him that ordereth his way aright will I show the salvation of God."

    Whoso offereth praise glorifieth me: and to him that ordereth his conversation aright will I shew the salvation of God. Psa 50:23KJV
We receive all blessings from him, in return for which we should make the offering of praise. If anything else purporting to be service to God is presented for your consideration rest assured it is erroneous and delusive.

For instance, the distracted world attempts to serve God by setting apart houses, churches, cloisters; vestures, gold-trimmed, silk and [50] every other kind;
    silver vessels and images; bells and organs, candles and lamps; the money for which expense should have been appropriated to the poor if the object was to make an offering to God.

    Further, it keeps up a muttering and wailing in the churches day and night.

    But true praise and honor of God, a service that cannot be confined to place or person, is quietly ignored the world over.
      The pretenses of priests and monks about their system of exercises being service to the Lord, are false and delusive.
53. Service to God is praise of him. It must be free and voluntary, at table, in the chamber, cellar, garret, in house or field, in all places, with all persons, at all times. Whosoever teaches otherwise is no less guilty of falsehood than the Pope and the devil himself.

But how shall there be with us honor and praise of God, true service to him, when we neither love him nor receive his blessings? And how shall we love him when we do not know him and his blessings?
    And how shall we know him and his blessings when no word is preached concerning them and when the Gospel is left to lie under the table?

    Where the Gospel is not in evidence, knowledge of God is an impossibility.
Then to love and praise him is likewise impossible. As a further consequence it is necessarily impossible for divine service to exist.
    Even if all the choristers were one chorister, all the priests one priest, all the monks one monk, all the churches one church,
      all the bells one bell; in brief if all the foolish services offered to God in the institutions,
      churches and cloisters were a hundred thousand times greater and more numerous than they are,
      what does God care for such carnivals and juggling?
54. Therefore, God complains most of the Jews in the second chapter of Micah,
    because they silenced his praise, while at the same time, they
    True divine service of praise cannot be established with revenues,

    nor be circumscribed by laws and statutes.
    High and low festivals have nothing to do with it.
    It emanates from the Gospel, and certainly is as often rendered by a poor, RUSTIC servant as by a great bishop.
55. It is plainly evident who have abolished divine service and still daily SUPPRESS it. They are none but that hopeless rabble, the Pope and his blockheads the bishops and priests, monks and nuns,
    whose great boast is of their divine services; who delight to be called the spiritual class and, by their juggling, grasp the advantages and honors of the world and live in riotousness.
    Yet they pretend to help others to heaven with their foolish works and no mention of the Gospel.

    Indeed, they persecute and condemn the Gospel, giving Peter just occasion to term them children of condemnation.
56. Note, Paul says divine service must be rendered with "one MIND" and with "one MOUTH."
    We render divine service when we are harmonious,
    and when we recognize our common equality and our common blessings in Christ;
    when NONE exalts himself above another nor assumes special advantages.
Do you ask how it is we are equal, I reply: All outside of Christ are equally condemned. One needs Christ as much as another.
    When converted, all receive the same baptism and sacrament, the same faith, the same Christ and Spirit, the same Gospel--in a word, the same God.

    Here in this wilderness the heavenly bread is impartially distributed.
      Then how can it possibly be right for one to EXALT himself over his fellow spiritually,
      one priest above the other? What can he have that surpasses Christ? And each has the same Christ,
      and Christ receives each one unreservedly.
Roy, that is why church history is 100% in repudiating professionals PREACHERS and against any form of MUSIC in the collective assembly of the church. ORGANS and CHOIRS intended to silence the CONGREGATION. The Reformation or Restoration restored congregational singing of the Biblical Text or "that which is written."

Now, we have affirmed that you CANNOT worship a Spirit God in a HOUSE made by human hands by scheming and scamming, and you CANNOT worship a Spirit God with the works of human hands, we are getting close to the RESTORED church of Christ.

Roy, there is NO LAW OF GIVING so out goes ANY professional UNLESS you lie, cheat and steal from widows to get the CASH for hirelings: a hireling is one who is HIRED. Simple?

There is NO LAW OF SINGING: simple simon knowns that Paul defined the synagogue practice which was to SPEAK the revealed Words of God in a cantillated form which used the normal inflections of a voice where EVERY WORD needs to be spoke and heard.

There is NO LAW OF PREACHING. How crude to think that a professional ACUer trained as a Prophet, Chaneller or Facilitator can PERFORM rhetorically and lie about the Word and PERFORM worship FOR the paying audience.

MOST of these errors have happened within MY lifetime. Roy, God is a PURE Spirit where pure means HOLY or "wholly." You CANNOT worship a Holy Spirit with your BODY and by stroking all of your PLEASURE CENTERS. If I can SEE IT, HEAR IT, SMELL IT, TOUCH IT OR TASTE it then I am not in my closet as the Most Holy Place and God WILL not be there to accept my worship in the PLACE of the Human Spirit after I have sacrificed or "burned up" by carnal senses.

Roy, if you get PASSIONATE by looking, listening and lusting you should be VERY CAREFUL how you EMOTE your passion: what I have seen and heard has chased me to the safety of my happy hollow.

Ken




 
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real-life

68.94.206.167

Re: way to go Richland

June 8 2005, 7:01 PM 

Hey Ken, I did not read your message, I stoped reading them long ago, they are a waste of anyone's time. You seem to think that by your many words you are impressing people. Kinda reminds me of what the bible says about long boring puffed-up prayers. I am a man of few words and I want them to be of value.

Richland and the many others who are actually making a difference with the spredding of the gospel are plesant breese of fresh air. Btw, I have met the pastor of Willow Creek, he is an humble man full of grace, something you would not understand.

 
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Chuck Davis

24.1.27.217

God's grace provides salvation

February 10 2005, 12:52 PM 

Way to go? My friend, you need to understand that there is a limit to the grace of God.

Consider the following. Hopefully this will allow you to understand how perverting the truth, though pleasant to men's ears, will not ensure for you a place in heaven.

ľ What does the grace of God demand?

1. Love of God¡¦s truth
1.1. Jesus teaches us that God¡¦s word is truth.
1.1.1. John 17:17 - Sanctify them in the truth: thy word is truth.
1.2. Love of truth motivates man to comply with God¡¦s commands
1.2.1. John 14:15 - If ye love me, ye will keep my commandments
1.3. Romans 10:17 - So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God
1.4. John 8:31-32 - Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, ¡§If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free
1.5. God¡¦s truth is the only thing that provides salvation for us.
1.5.1. To get mad at it or ignore what it teaches is to defy God
2. Knowledge of truth ¡V To love it we must have a knowledge of it
2.1. Christ knew God¡¦s will
2.1.1. Luke 2:40 - And the Child grew and became strong in spirit, filled with wisdom; and the grace of God was upon Him
2.1.2. Verse 42 - Why did you seek Me? Did you not know that I must be about My Father's business?
2.2. We are informed that the grace of God instructs men how to live
2.2.1. Titus 2:11-14 ¡V For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good work
2.2.2. He (Jesus) who is grace personified taught men to live by the truths of the gospel.
2.3. Paul connects knowledge of the truth with the grace of God.
2.3.1. Acts 20:24, 32 ¡V But I hold not my life of any account as dear unto myself, so that I may accomplish my course, and the ministry which I received from the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God¡K And now I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build [you] up, and to give [you] the inheritance among all them that are sanctified
2.4. Paul establishes a necessary union between the grace of God and knowledge of the truth. In fact, so important was this to Paul that he warned against departing from the gospel
2.4.1. Col. 1:5-6 ¡V because of the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, of which you heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel, which has come to you, as it has also in all the world, and is bringing forth fruit, as it is also among you since the day you heard and knew the grace of God in truth
2.5. Gal. 1:6-9 - I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.
3. Faith and obedience to that faith
3.1. Hebrew 11:6 - But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him
3.2. Eph. 2:8 - For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God
3.2.1. Paul affirms that the brethren had been saved by grace, and that the grace had saved them through their faith.
3.3. There can be no faith without grace, for grace brought us salvation and instruction.
3.3.1. Faith comes by hearing God¡¦s word (Rom. 10:17), and if the grace of God had not made possible the revelation of his will, man could not respond in faith, for there would have been no word from God to believe.
3.4. Our faith in Christ enables us to act on God¡¦s promises and to receive the salvation of our souls.
3.4.1. Gal. 2:16 - Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
3.5. We refer to ¡§free moral agency¡¨ of man. This principle is true.
3.5.1. Joshua admonished the Jews long ago to ¡§choose you this day whom you will serve¡¨ (Josh 24:15).
3.5.2. Jesus advised that the majority of the human race would make the wrong choice (Matt. 7:13)
3.6. Peter admonished and exhorted those Jews on the day of Pentecost to ¡§save yourself from this untoward generation¡¨ (Acts 2:40).
3.6.1. There was a choice to be made, but this choice had to be made on the basis of their faith (vs. 37), and their willingness to obey the will of God (vs. 41).
3.7. We cannot be saved without the grace of God, but to receive that grace one must show in his life the "obedience of faith"
3.7.1. Jeremiah said, ¡§O LORD, I know the way of man is not in himself; It is not in man who walks to direct his own steps.¡¨ (Jer. 10:23)
3.7.2. This principle is as true today as it was then.
3.7.3. To contemplate that man can name his own terms of admission into the glories of heaven is absurd.
4. Until one accepts grace on the terms on which God offers it, he has no promise of salvation.
4.1. The only way sinful man can avail himself of that grace is to accept it by an active faith (Eph. 2:8).
4.2. We demonstrate faith in and acceptance of the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ by dying to sin, being buried into his death, and being raised to walk in newness of life (Rom. 6:1-5).
4.3. When we do this we have obeyed the gospel, which is the power of God unto salvation (Rom. 1:16) and thus accepted God¡¦s grace on his terms.

 
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68.94.206.167

God's grace provides salvation

June 8 2005, 7:10 PM 

Hi Chuck, have you ever considered learning and teaching what Grace is, rather than what it is not? Most in the legal camp do not have a real good understanding of it. I think it is because your opposition teaches it well and it is soooooooo difficult to agree with anyone in the other camp even when they are right.

 
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64.233.140.234

I Love You

February 17 2005, 8:25 AM 

I just wanted to come to this website and say that I used to hate you guys. That is honesty. I am just trying to be honest. I used to come on here and just look and think you were all evil and mean to people. I ask that you forgive me. My name is Joe. I am sorry that I did not love you the way Christ loves you. I just wanted to say I am sorry and I was wrong. Please forgive me.

 
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darlene

70.97.232.72

Re: I Love You

February 22 2005, 4:03 PM 

What changed your mind?

 
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Anonymous

165.95.99.202

Please Check Facts

June 8 2005, 3:56 PM 

Some 'truth' from the original message. If you click on the link provided, it reveals that the Richland Hills BAPTIST Church is part of the WCA, NOT Richland Hills Church of Christ. People that are too eager to criticize do a terrible job of getting their facts straight. Unless, of course, you are just trying to spread lies. And who is the father of lies? Hmmmmm.

 
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63.84.81.57

Willow Creek

June 8 2005, 8:13 PM 

At the time the Hostile Takeover was beginning, Richland Hills was and still is a SISTER CHURCH to Woodmont Hills. At that time Woodmont was a paying member of WCA and clearly promoted their style.

Whether a dues paying member or not your group was spawned from the "theater of holy entertainment" movement begun by Willow Creek and usurped by the Saddle Back, Purpose Driven "cult."

Willow Creek began as a Christian church (as I remember) and the original members were put OUTSIDE the circle as complimentarians until they became assimilated. One of those requirements was to take a "correctional" class and gladly submit to female leadership. Your pastor person is clearly in the Christian church Camp.

The PATTERNISM is that the pastor becomes dominant, the elders become shepherds of THE leader, deacons are fired and deaconesses are appointed. The Scam is that the vocational deacons are replaced with professional buddies. Scripture has it that deacons have the same teaching responsibility as the elders: if you can fire the deacons then you can hire and fire a cozy group of complient elders.

The string has run out for Rubel and his sermons with John York clearly indicate that they are doing an about face. They will blame MEGA churches which you have built on the backs of the poor and at the expense of the gospel. That is, the Shelly-Richland Hills combo which CAUSED all of the divison in the brotherhood and squandered millions on an "entertainment venue" will get a SECOND INCARNATION by writing books, holding workshops and all the rest to out their inner questioning about female leadership and get PAID to correct the problems they caused--all around the world. As I remember it, Rick has said that there will be no more MEGA churches. Why should there have been ONE which demands a bend into theatrical preaching and singing to SUCK IN the cash flow? I knew an older couple who lost ther temporary income for their retirement while the TEMPLE was being built.

However, the mega church is a PYRAMID SCHEME: you cannot stop so you raise millions more propping up a failing institutional para-church organization because you surely don't get members by preaching the gospel "as it has been taugh" or you would not need a WORD SHOOTER who truly abrades all of my nerve endings.

 
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real-life

68.94.206.167

cult?

June 11 2005, 9:45 AM 

Ken, you throw around words like "cult" as though the cofc has no connection to having a cult in our ranks. The international church of christ has been named a cult along with the boston movement cofc. The mainstream has tried to distance it's self from this group. In reality they teach the same things as the mainstream, with the only difference being the methods of discipleship which has it's roots in the disciples of christ. We do not have clean hands. The legalist cofc has been the seedbed for cultish activity and you ignore it, taking your fight to places like richland hills. Shame on you!

 
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68.94.206.167

Mega church

June 11 2005, 9:54 AM 

Hey Ken, when you get your church to grow into a mega church, all eyes will be on you. We will wonder how you did it! Richland hills is doing a lot of things right and that should embarase you. Legalist don't really care about reaching the lost for the sake of the kingdom, all they want to do is defend their turf, which is becoming smaller everyday.

 
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PPB

70.116.84.97

Re: Mega church

June 11 2005, 9:06 PM 

Real Life,

So, how does it feel to know that you and your brethern are making fun of Christians for ACTUALLY following the scriptures as Jesus told us to and God commanded?

How does it feel to think you are superior because you know better than God?

How does it feel to be so angry with people that are trying to stick with the Bible and not remove half the verses - like Richland has to since they can't find any Biblical authority for what they do?

How does it feel to be in a man-made religion that the early Christians admonished and separated from? Yep, the same issues are happening at Richland that happened in the 2nd century.

Instead of running your mouth (fingers) here about stuff you have no idea about, why don't you STUDY to show THYSELF APPROVED? If you do, you will awake from your slumber and find that the Bible teaches against Richland's changes. You will find that history clearly shows that such changes were considered an abomination to the first Christians that actually learned directly from Jesus and the Apostles. You will find Truth.

You should be ashamed of yourself. Your hate is so apparent. Legalist are the ones who spread the gospel which made the c of C such a large religious group. Where ever do you get your information?

So far, all I've seen is you belittle everyone for abiding by the Bible. Wow, that says a lot. You really have no scriptural integrity, do you? You can only quote a few scriptures because the rest of them are so against everything you are saying.

How do you live with yourself knowing that you are doing exactly what Jesus hated? How do you live with yourself thumbing your nose at God and his inspired Word? That's exactly what you are doing when you ignore portions of his Word.

Richland is growing because it is EASY to be a member. You don't have to follow the bible and know all the scriptures. You don't have boundaries or rules. You don't have to do anything you don't want to...It's a man-made religion that is so fake that it's almost a joke, except this one is being played by Satan.

 
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mega mouth

June 11 2005, 9:47 PM 

I have tried to listen to your PREACHER he PROJECTS words like bullets and I will bet that he chips paint off the back wall.

This is what you call your garden variety RHETORICIAN or SOPHISTS. The STARTLING effect violates the principles of Jesus and the command of Paul not to PLEASURE people which directly implicates exciting "sanging" and is rooted in the word HERESY.

In the Greek connects, rhetoricians, sOPHISts (ophis=serpents), singers, musicians and TECHNE or craftsmen (theater builders and stage managers) performed the CONFESSED role of sorcery. Because they DID NOT do any productive work for their obscene WAGE they were identified as PARASITES.

Such rhetoric and SANGING fits the GRACE or CHARA or CHARIS brand of THRESKIA which was IMPURE RELIGION but not worship which was a "school of the Bible" which would OUTLAW all that you do and stand for.

The slick willies have FOOLED you by claiming to be LOCATED EVANGELISTS or as Rubel Shelly writes LOCATED MISSIONARIES. The direct command of Jesus and the example of Paul was that he must GO and SUFFER or he is a robber.

Neither God, Paul or ANY scholar in history gives a WAGE for what you are being SCAMMED for. So, why do YOU feel so superior that you have been PONZI SCAMMED into the false "Law of preaching, law of tithing, law of giving, law of SANGING" when the bible and all of history REPUDIATES it?

KEN is not the fool Paul accused the Corinthians of being because they TOLERATED the many who BLED the widows and now STEAL your child's health care money and your own needs. Paul said:"Fools love to be fooled." Nothing like CHARISMATIC (meaning perverted) could EVER attract more than a small crowd willing to obey Jesus and "come learn of ME."

Not doing SCHOOL OF THE BIBLE: just getting SUCKED dry by pretending to SAVE MORE SOULS. Why not WITHDRAW your contributions which they are UNLAWFULLY bleeding you off because they throw you into SCHIZOPHRENIA with the sight and sound of BODY WORSHIP.

Ken

 
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