Most of the stuff on here is pretty funny until you realize that someone is serious about it. What we really need to do is direct many of the "anti's" to the New Testament! Haven't heard from ol' Joe in a while?!
Always SILENT BEFORE THE TORNADO WHISKS AWAY THE WIDOWS HOUSE
Jesus defined the SECTARIAN Hypocrites the only way the language at the time understood the word by quoting Isaiah to speak of mouth religion. Perhaps that is why the command was to SPEAK the Word in "the church in the wilderness," the synagogue, the example of Jesus, the direct and explicit commands of Paul and the practice of the church in THE BEST of its days.
Also, thou son of man, the children of thy people still are talking against thee by the walls and in the doors of the houses, and speak one to another, every one to his brother, saying,
Come, I pray you, and hear what is the word that cometh forth from the Lord. Eze 33:30
And they come unto thee as the people cometh,
and they sit before thee as my people,
and they HEAR thy words, but they will not do them:
for with their mouth they shew much love,
(Lord, Lord as amorousness - inordinate love),
but their heart goeth after their covetousness. Eze 33:31
Indeed, to them you are NOTHING MORE than
one who SINGS love songs (minstrel as a prostitute) with a beautiful voice
and PLAYS (make melody on) an instrument well,
for they hear your words but do not put them into practice. Eze 33:32NIV
When all this comes true--and it surely will--then they will know that a prophet has been among them." Eze 33:33
From: Agab (h5689) aw-gab'; a prim. root; to breathe after, i. e. to love (sensually): - dote, lover.
The organ which Jubal "handled" without authority is the uwgab (h5748) oo-gawb'; from 5689 in the orig. sense of breathing; a reed-instrument of music: - organ
The word PLAY is:
Nagan (h5059) naw-gan'; a prim. root; prop. to thrum, i. e. beat a tune with the fingers; espec. to play on a stringed instrument; hence (gen.) to make music: - player on instruments, sing to the stringed instruments, melody, ministrel, play (-er, -ing..
Naga (h5060) naw-gah'; a prim. root; prop. to touch, i. e. lay the hand upon (for any purpose; euphem., to lie with a woman); by impl. to reach (fig. to arrive, acquire); violently, to strike (punish, defeat, destroy, etc.): - beat, (* be able to) bring (down), cast, come (nigh), draw near (nigh), get up, happen, join, near, plague, reach (up), smite, strike, touch.
The word NAGA speaks of the NAGASH or NACHASH which was the "serpent" or Musical Enchanter in the garden of Eden. As INDWELLING the king of Tyre she is called "the singing and harp playing prostitute.
But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. Ge.3:3
There are many associations between SATAN and the use of MUSIC to "appease the crowd with performing arts" in Ezekiel and Isaiah. He specificially points out the "lord, lord" sayers of whom Jesus said: "God does NOT even know that you exist."
Likewise, thou son of man, set thy face against the daughters of thy people, which prophesy out of THEIR OWN heart; and prophesy thou against them, Eze 13:17
And say, Thus saith the Lord God; Woe to the women that sew pillows (seductive suggestion) to all armholes, and make kerchiefs upon the head of every stature to hunt souls Will ye hunt the souls of my people, and will ye save the souls alive that come unto you? Ezekiel13:18
You will remember that Jesus said that parables had been used from the foundation of the world to FOOL the Viper or Crooked (skolion singers) generation. When they CORRUPT the Word by "selling it a retail" this total ignorance is God MOCKING them and making them into a laughingstock just as in the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai. Jesus also said that the clergy were sons of the Devil because they SPOKE ON THEIR OWN. What about musicians who SPEAK ON THEIR OWN?
Sewing pillows or decorating armholes and making special veils were unsophisticated ways of making themselves attractive and putting the "audience" at ease. Those trained in dramatic presentation and mental programming put these ancient witches to shame. Sewing pillows is from the Hebrew:
Taphar (h8609) taw-far'; a prim. root; to sew: - (women that) sew (together).
This points to drumming which gave it's name to TOPHETH which is the identity of HELL where the instruments and still-breathing musicians go to be consumed with fire on a bed of maggots:
Taphaph (h8608) taw-faf'; a prim. root; to drum, i. e. play (as) on the tambourine: - taber, play with timbrels.
And his brothers name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ. Ge.4:21
Taphas (h8610) taw-fas'; a prim. root; to manipulate, i. e. seize; chiefly to capture, wield; spec. to overlay; fig. to use unwarrantably: - catch, handle, (lay, take) hold (on, over), stop, * surely, surprise, take.
That Clearly says that Jubal who is much like APOLLO as the end-time Devil who unleashes the LOCUSTS or "Musical Worship Teams" USED musical instruments WITHOUT AUTHORITY. Never heard that from a mega-mouth, huh?
In Deipnosophistai 3 which we have now linked and posted to OUT the meaning of WEAVING songs together and claiming to prophesy:
And among the barbarians the Celts also, though they have very beautiful women, enjoy boys more; so that some of them often have two lovers to sleep with on their beds of animal skins. As for the Persians, Herodotus says they learned the use of boys from the Greeks.
King Alexander also was madly devoted to boys. Dicaearchus, at any rate, in his book On the Sacrifice at Ilium, says that he was so overcome with love for the eunuch Bagoas that, in full view of the entire theatre, he, bending over, caressed Bagoas fondly, and when the audience clapped and shouted in applause, he, nothing loath, again bent over and kissed him...
Alexander is one of the PROOF TEXTS the "instrumentalists" use as a SUPERNATURAL MARK for those with eyes: like ALL of the psallo or harp-plucking males, he was seducing a young "minister of the gods." There is NO example of people PLUCKING other than shooting a real arrow into your heart (from Apollyon) or shooting a LOVE ARROW at you.
"As for the Lesbian Alcaeus, thou knowest in how many revels he engaged, when he smote his lyre with yearning love for Sappho. And the bard who loved that nightingale caused sorrow, by the eloquence of his hymns, to the Teian poet...
Yes, he is the god of whom Anacreon, the poet on every man's lips, is constantly singing. Hence the most excellent Critias says of him:
"Teos brought to Hellas that poet who once WOVE the strains of song with Woman as his theme, delightful Anacreon, flame of drinking-parties, cheater of women, of flutes the foe, lover of the lyre, full of delight, healer of pain. Never shall love of thee grow old or die, so long as a slave-boy solemnly bears round water and wine mingled for the cups, dispensing toasts from left to right, --
so long as feminine choirs do their ministry in holy night- long vigils, and the scale-pan, daughter of bronze, sits upon the high peak of the cottabos to receive the drops of Bromian."
Licymnius of Chios in his Dithyrambs says that Hymenaeus was the beloved of Argynnus. Aristocles the harp-singer was the beloved of King Antigonus, concerning whom Antigonus of Carystus, in his Life of Zeno, writes as follows:
"King Antigonus used to have revels at the house of Zeno. On one occasion, coming away from a drinking-party at daybreak,
he rushed to the house of Aristocles the harp-singer, whom the king loved greatly."
Sophocles was fond of young lads, as Euripides was fond of women. The poet Ion, at any rate, in the work entitled Sojournings, writes as follows:
"I met Sophocles the poet at Chios when he was sailing as general to Lesbos; he was playful in his cups, and clever. A Chian friend of his, Hermesilaus, who was the proxenus of Athens, entertained him, when there appeared, standing beside the fire, the wine-pourer, a handsome, blushing boy; Sophocles was plainly stirred and said:
'Do you want me to drink with pleasure?' And when the boy said 'Yes' he said, 'Then don't be too rapid in handing me the cup and taking it away.' When the boy blushed still more violently he said to the man who shared his couch:
In your preachers urge for UNITY he lumps the use of WINE along with the INSTRUMENTS which he was taught against in his OLD church. Well, you NOW know what those under the control of the Christian Church mean by the word UNITY. Along with the theme of the NEW WINESKINNERS whose God is Dionysus, here is the Disciples new LOGO--right on time.
Ken..I bet we would agree on a lot of things, but your long dialogues completely lose me.
I don't know if you are a preacher, elder or what...but seriously...keep it simple. You probably have good points, but no-one can figure out what on earth you are talking about.
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...........................THE BOOK
What Happened At the Madison Church of Christ?
There are thousands of churches being taken over across America.
This book is only about one of those churches. It's about the Madison
Church Of Christ. By studying the methods used here along with the resource
references you might be able to inoculate your church. At the very least
you will recognize the signs early on.
Many of the current members of the Madison Church of Christ still don't
know what happened.
Some never will know! This book is for them as well.
Madison Church of Christ was a 60 year old church. At one time it was
one of the largest churches in the US, and the largest Church of Christ.
It thrived for many years on the vision of it's elders and those of
it's ministers. Those visions undoubtably came from the the inspired word
of Jesus Christ.
At sometime in the last 10 years there was a deliberate plan by a majority
of the elders to take the Madison Church of Christ into a more worldly
realm.
They used secrecy, covert planning, and outside sources to scheme and
to change the format and direction of the Madison Church of Christ.
The Elders knew that the membership would never approve such a plan.
Using the tools of the "Community Church Movement"(consultants, books,
seminars, meetings,planters,seeders) they slowly started initiating change
so it was never noticed by the members until it was too late.....
At the heart of the plan was the fact that old members were going to
be driven off so new techniques could be used to go out and reach the unchurched
through new "Contemporary Holy Entertainment" methods developed by the
"Community Church Movement"
Old members had to be kept on board long enough to get their plans ready,
or the funds would not be there to pay for the new building. So by the
plans very nature, it had to be secret.
The church had no plan in effect to renew or approve elders. There was
never any need. The elders had always been "as approved by God". 10 of the last
15 elders would begin to shed some doubt on that.
The Elders did not even need a majority at first, because some of the
elders went along unwittingly.
This edition starts shortly after some of the members begin to smell
something strange in January 2001. Later editions may go back and fill
in some of the timeline.
To even start to understand whats happening here, you must read the
background materials in the first of the book.
This is only the first edition, and not the end. New editions will be
printed as needed. To keep abreast of current changes, please visit our
web site; http://www.concernedmembers.com/madison
Here is the list of players;
5 Godly Elders
10 Not so Godly Elders
120 "Deacons" (allegiance unknown)
2,800 - 4,000 church "members"
2 "teners" (people who have publicly confessed to have broken all ten
commandments)
Unknown number of "sinners" (This is what the 10 elders call us.)
Unknown number of "demons" (Flying everywhere, to many to count)
