Why lie about ALL of Scripture? Because it works, silly!
December 19 2006 at 11:37 AM
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Rick's First Sermon: Perverting ALL of God's Holy Word:
1. If you let people believe something WRONG then you are WRONG. take silence on what people thinks
2. Since 1994 haven't believed but continued by silence to make it wrong....let the body be DISRUPTED by silence, cowardice. Knew the day would come have to teach this sermon.
3. Let the bible be teacher that implication is CLEAR that music is WRONG.. is sinful. I realize simplilistic, judgmental, arrogant,
4. Almost no one reading the bible ever conclude instrumental praise wrong.
5. Repeat. give Bible to any sincere person without pre impressions: No one reading the Bible would conclude instrumental praise is wrong.
6. View of the bible is SAME and we KNOW this is true. Nobody has spoken to their head.
7. WE have caused disunity.
8. Is it true or is it FEAR that I have been wrong so long.
There you have it: WE disruped the "something" by NOT being forced to "worship with instrumental praise" whatever that means.
Churches of Christ were NEVER part of the Disciples of Christ which always used music and supported a denominational structure calculated according to Garrison to INCLUDE ALL OF CHRISTENDOM. The separate count in 1906 was a COUNT and not a separation.
The Christian Church is the only ones who SEPARATED and disfellowshipped the DISCIPLES in 1926. Therefore, it would be sorta impossible to DIVIDE from the Christian Church which was not founded for another ten years.
Therefore, this is the COMMON agreed-upon mantra to BLAME the victim for bleeding on the dancing slippers of the one who shot you in the heart. Why do they lie about this? Because it WORKS.
So, Rick has taken pay and since we have reviewed some of his STUFF he has been ACTIVELY doing the old Machiavelli or Hegel trick of "slowly boiling the frog" so not TOO MANY will leave when we REVEAL our hidden agenda: that IS the way they propose that you INFILTRATE and DIVERT. However, this is the old GUILT CLAUSE that those who BROKE THE SILENCE with organs were OBEYING GOD'S DIRECT COMMANDS and ALL of church history was disobedient and therefore SINFUL.
So, lets look at RICK'S first FOUNDATION OF SAND and see that RICK hasn't ever READ 1 Chronicles 6 or ANY of the others which any 6th grader can read. Even if he HAD read it he would not know the history which brought on a curse and not a LEGALISTIC, SECTARIAN PATTERNISM of the end-tiem churc--unless you are a SORCERERS.
RICK ATCHLEY God did not just allow but COMMANDED it. Worship is a matter of obedience
Rick makes it very clear that God COMMANDED the use of "instrumental praise" and if you DISOBEY then you are not worshipping at all. His use of Johnson's ANTI-instrumental term along with all of the rest has Rick placing those who DO NOT use instruments outside the pale. A Ralph Johnson makes calling it sin makes one the target for all things apparently well-orchestrated Christian church "hostile take overs." If instrumental music is NOT SIN (and all of the evidence is wrong) assuredly lying and stealing will get you burned. I still insist that Isaiah 30 makes HELL a place specificially prepared for LUCIFER (Eden, Tyre, Babylon, end time Mother of Whores using musicians as Sorcerers). But, stealing and hostility will also get the job done. Dwaine E. Dunning makes it REAL in saying that "we need to take an AXE to the non-instrumental position." I don't know how you can do it unless you exercise violence on those who PREACH it with ALL known history on our favor.
God DID NOT COMMAND a temple, says Stephen (etal) but gave it as a CONCESSION to David. David would continue to be one of the kings CHOSEN to carry out the captivity and death sentence. However, to worship the STARRY HOST to which they had been abandoned they needed a TEMPLE. David got it wrong about WHY he couldn't build the temple and God corrected it by saying that "God just doesn't dwell in houses built by hands)
The Bible CORRECTS Atchley over and over but if he does not know the historical setting he has gone beyond redemption to use Biblical and historical illiteracy to DELIBERATELY sow discord. Blind people who follow the blind (deaf, but not dumb) have no pity from God.
No one in church history MISSunderstood it: the mystic Jews who wrote the Kabbala belatedly grasped what Atchely can never grasp after blaspheming the Spirit of Christ and making Him lie. They recognized the Mount Sinai event (bad PATTERNISM Rick is adopting) and the TRUE reason why the Temple was not God's plan: it cannot be PRE-PLANNED and a CONCESSION at the same time.
Rick Atchley quoted what I could grasp:
1 Chron 6. King david had used to give praise.
Contra Rick: NO ONE could read any of the Bible especially 1 Chronicles 6 and NOT see that he is NOT authorized to add ANIMAL SACRIFICE MUSIC even OUTSIDE of the "church house."
First, note that specific families of the tribe of Levi were named: if you were not a Levite and tried to perform any of these services you would get into trouble. As a singer or musician who SERVED the priests and not God, you would never be allowed past the "parking lot." If you ventured into the symbol of "church" even to clean out the garbage you would be run through with a sword (instrument)
Second, when David performed his PLAGUE STOPPING animal sacrifice at the Jebusite High Place (Zion or Jerusalem) he DID NOT included instrumentalists.
And these are they whom David set over the service of song in the house [court] of the Lord, after that the ark had rest. 1 Chr 6:31 <>
You will notice that this is not called PRAISE but song:
H7892 shı̂yr shı̂yrâh sheer, shee-raw' The second form being feminine; from H7891 ; a song; abstractly singing: musical (-ick), X sing (-er, -ing),
The PRAISE WORD Rick and everyone LUSTS FOR is:
H1984 hâlalhaw-lal' A primitive root; to be clear (originally of sound, but usually of color); to shine; hence to make a show; to boast; and thus to be (clamorously) foolish; to rave; causatively to celebrate; also to stultify:(make) boast (self), celebrate, commend, (deal, make), fool (-ish, -ly), glory, give [light], be (make, feign self) mad (against), give in marriage, [sing, be worthy of] praise, rage, renowned, shine.
The ROOT word for LUCIFER!
Not until the Temple was built did the Levites serve (hard bondage) but NEVER in the temple proper but OUTSIDE where they slaughtered TYPES of Jesus Christ. Maccabees makes it clear that this was not Sabbath Worship (when instruments were not used) but dedication or purification animal sacrifices for king, priests and "buildings and grounds." Originally they say that David made the melody in the heart.
The Levitical "musicians" made a great, unison, crashing sound as Warrior creators of panic. We are told that the priests tuned all of the horns to the same note and no one was allowed to put holes in them to make playing a tune possible. They clanged on cymbals or shields or swords: that is why a musical INSTRUMENT and a WEAPON use the same Hebrew (and Greek) word. For instance a LIFELESS musical instrument also speaks of WEAPONS. Our weapons are SPIRITUAL of the WORD and not CARNAL WEAPON. In the Greek resources the word is HOPLON where loud panic "music" was a way to overcome the ENEMY by creating panic--just like in "church" which has not remote relationship to the ekklesia or synagogue or Scholl of the Bible taught by God in Christ.
This was a MAKES WORK PROJECT for the surplus warrior Levites. Just before the time of Christ these "GIs" were put to work building buildings and walls and not playing "music." The ARK HAD REST means that the wars were over.
And they ministered BEFORE the dwelling place of the tabernacle of the congregation with singing, until Solomon had built the house of the Lord in Jerusalem: and then they waited on their office according to their order. 1 Chron 6:32
If Ricky wants to do that--and loose the cross--he will only get a daily dole of food about 2 weeks out of the hear: then, others take over and Ricky gets an honest job because HIS is an UNFUNDED BURDEN deproving the destitute of food.
The REGULATIONS of the NIV are "the order" in the KJV. Because of the huge number of warrior Levites they were organized in a certain order of FAMILIES much like job sharing. The Levites got their authority because they would kill their brethren during the MUSICAL IDOLATRY at Mount Sinai where their charismatic worship service made them into a LAUGHING STOCK while the perfermers worshipped themselves.
And when Moses saw that the people were naked; (for Aaron had made them naked unto their shame among their enemies:) Exod 32:25
Then Moses stood in the GATE of the camp, and said, Who is on the Lords side? let him come unto me. And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him. Ex.32:26
The MUSICAL LEVITES under Asaph would continue to be the slave drivers and controllers. They received their authority as WARRIORS and not worship leaders. Gathered is
Acaph (h622) aw-saf'; a prim. root; to gather for any purpose; hence to receive, take away, i. e. remove (destroy, leave behind, put up, restore, etc.): - assemble, bring, consume, destroy, fetch, gather (in, together, up again), put all together, receive, recover [another from leprosy], (be) rereward, * surely, take (away, into, up), * utterly, withdraw.
The "congregation" NEVER included the people but ONLY the king, warrior musicians, and Civil priests. Asap was NOT a spiritual "worship leader! During the building of the temple the EXCELLERS were slave drivers!
Acaph (h623) aw-sawf'; from 622; collector; Asaph, the name of three Isr., and of the family of the first: - Asaph.
The word "ministered" means a MENIAL or a WORSHIP. You are not gonna find true worshipers flinging their hands if they think they are in the presence of God: they SERVE or do bondage with fear and trembling. However, the word normalll indicates servants or slaves:
And the meat of his table, and the sitting of his servants, and the attendance of his ministers, and their apparel, and his cupbearers, and his ascent by which he went up unto the house of the Lord; there was no more spirit in her. 1K.10:5
This was at the Jebusite High Place after David was too fearful to return to Gibeon which was the lawful place of the Tabernacle. <>The word SERVICE dows not mean WORSHIP but from HAND means
Yad (h3027) yawd; a prim. word; a hand (the open one [indicating power, means, direction, etc.], in distinction from 3709, the closed one); used (as noun. adv., etc.) in a great variety of applications, both lit. and fig., both proximate and remote [as follow]: - (/ be) able, * about, / armholes, at, axletree, charge, custody, debt, dominion, throwing, / thumb, twork,
The SERVICE of the singers and later musicians is defined by a word meaning HARD BONDAGE much like the word Abadown. Now, NO ONE could even SING "outside" of the Holy Places to cheer up the priests unless they were a Levite. The Catholic church authorized the precenter or Clergy Singer based on the Levites. Therefore, like all music, it has the Catholics as the SOLE authority and they confess that it was added by "non-believer" priests because it was "common to all pagan cults." To use this to AUTHORIZE animal-slaughtering music is for Rick to FALL BACK beyond the cross.
1Chr 6:48 Their brethren also the Levites were appointed unto all manner of service [hard bondage=legalism] of the tabernacle of the house of God.
However, any Levitical singer or musician who dared ENTER the Holy Place typical of the body or Church of Christ would be EXECUTED. Only if you are a PRIEST from AARON can you enter into the Holy Place (typical of the synagogue or church) or to the incense altar where there was TOTAL SILENCE wherre they prayed.
1 Chr 6:49 BUT AARON and his sons offered upon the altar of the burnt offering, and on the altar of incense, and were appointed for all the work of the place MOST HOLY and to make an atonement for Israel, according to all that Moses the servant of God had commanded.
Moses HAD NOT commanded singers and musicians in the HOLY PLACE of the WORD (lamps), the BREAD or the PRAYERS. You remember that Nadab and Abihu got burned for daring to ENTER into the place of the incense or PRAYERS: missed that true story, huh?
Scholars KNOW VERY WELL that David moved away from MOSES and "introduced a new style of praise." This, of course, was part of ASTRIAL or SABAZIANISM worship to which God had ABANDONED them because of the musical idolatry at Mount Sina. How can any literate perso GULP UP a form of worship which God IMPOSED on Israel as a CURSE as anyone reading Samuel would know?
Paul, in Hebrews 12, says the NADAB AND ABIHU "patternism" is still in effect for those who DO NOT come before God in "reverence and Godly fear" FOR GOD IS A CONSUMING FIRE
The Levites got a DAILY DOLE OF BREAD while on duty ONLY. They then returned to their own homes or purchased farms and if they needed a NEW CHARIOT they worked for it like all honest people. ALL priestly functionaries had a DAY JOB just a Paul commanded, exampled and church history defends.
Conclusion, they did not PRAISE. Warriors PRAISED (h1984 Halal) or MADE THEMSELVES VILE when they were pouring out threats against enemy warriors to panic them into cowardice. PRAISE is one of the oldest, paganistic, superstitious and usually PERVERTED PATTERNISM known to Tribalism 101: they were WORKING really hard to HELP GOD keep from failing. That is what Rick is doing: he rejects the POWER OF THE READ WORD and therefore rejects the Christ of God who put SPIRIT into His words.
They SANG in the sense of the strolling minstrel--sing never INCLUDES instruments: when the INSTRUMENTAL praisers tried to help Jesus He cast them out LIKE DUNG.
Only AFTER the Gentile or "like the nation's temple" was built were the instruments COMMANDED BY DAVID used because that was COMMON to all pagan temples: Israel was abandoned to SABAZIANISM or STAR WORSHIP if you grasp the history of the Bible and Stephen. Because this was NATIONAL worship, their service was to the PRIESTS and their function was called EXORCISM. That is why the performance speakers, singers and musicians UNDER the Mother of Harlots (Rev 17) are called SORCERERS (Rev 18) and they are REMOVED along with their CANDLES from the FAITHFUL of God.
There you have it: The Spirit OF Christ says:
1. Levites even "singing" are OUTSIDE of the place representing the church and prayer.
2. Only PRIESTS are allowed inside of the Holy Place (church) and the Presence of God after they have accepted the sacrifice of Jesus (made with musical mocking) and have been WASHED.
3. BOTH the "instruments" and "harps" in Revelation are the PRAYERS of the individual priest--no one required to MEDIATE in song and prayer.
4. That is so that when you see the Abomination of Desolation (music, sex, homosexual) being PERFORMED in the Holy Place (podium in church architecture) you recognize the MARK and flee from Babylon.
None of the christian church writers have EVER found any authority for PSALLO which the Disciples invented FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HISTORY in 1878 without AUTOMATICALLY telling people that they are PATTERNING themselves after of nasty males plucking the harp seducing 'youth ministers of the gods' ALWAYS worshiping MOTHER GODDESSES. Father gods were not worshipped with music.
So we have another of the SHOUTED proofs that God COMMANDS INSTRUMENTAL PRAISE and we are NOT obeying if we do not DO IT.
And, contrary to Rick's claim, ANYONE who had ever even CASUALLY read 1 Chronicles 6 would be TOTALLY INFORMED that even singers (pre temple instruments) could not ENTER into the Holy Place (church) or Most Holy Place (Our personal, worship where Jesus Christ earned the right to be the ONLY Mediator).
CONTRARY to RICK, EVERYONE in church history READ the Bible and concluded that instruments were OUTLAWED by direct command, approved examples and the NECESSARY INFERENCE that you were telling God to "SHUT YOUR FACE." NO ONE can use this passage who has ever EVEN READ THE CHAPTER. That is why Rick and the elders are in MORTAL SIN and all based on EVERYONE lifting verses out of the lexicon without EVER haveing read or CARED that the Spirit OF Christ is sending STRONG DELUSIONS as a TERMINAL MARK.
The elders have to CHOOSE between Rick or the Bible: Yes, I know that once you build a mega-temple it is hard to rock the boat but we already know WWJD: He would abandon it and flee and write it off as a loss leader if you are REAL Christians. So, far we have shown that Rick has perverted all of the evidence. One has to wonder what the real agenda is.
RICKY has gone to the OTHER SIDE OF THE CROSS to Sow Discord: that PUTS the leaders on the OTHER SIDE of the Cross.
Why lie about Clement of Alexandria and ALL church fathers?
December 20 2006, 7:16 AM
The LAW OF GIVING IS A LIE. Furthermore, if you GIVE with a "contract" with the elders to be honest with your gift, and the elders have PLANNED for a decade to DIVERT your monies to another "denomination," how will you EVER trust anyone ever again with your child's healt care and education money. You need to spread the WORD, the verbal agreements at another place just EVAPORATED as soon as instruments were slicked in on the SABBATH without too much blood letting. If you were ever burned by a Nigerian Widow then you UNDERSTAND the old Bait and Switch scam. Paul said that if we do not provide for OUR OWN then we are worse than an infidel. If you invest in "worthless stock" in a mega-building you can probably be ASSURED that your investment with the "lord" had better been spent on a computer to do an END-RUN around the Ricky's of the world as MANY are doing and get the TRUTH like the free water of the Word (Isa. 55)
If they CONFISCATE your church home and family just mark it down: it was GOD slapping you on the side of the head for giving to the rich who steal from the poor.
Rick makes the fabricated reasons why NO ONE used instruments and considered them SIN because they understood that EKKLESIA does not mean a "pagan worship center." Card class 101aaa knows that you don't DO music when the Master Teacher covenants to gather with us to REST and learn.
Here is the point:
Culturally appropriate, not strategic to reach their CULTURE
TRUTH SPEAKER: No one would have faulted the church if they had LOUD SINGING in the school of Tyrannus (an open forum, not a schoolhouse). In fact, that is where it would be practiced much of the time. Being COUNTER CULTURAL they would prove themselves a PAGAN CULT always identified by the loud singing and playing instruments.
In fact, the three CULTS of interest in Romans 14 were ALL musical: the FOOD preference is an IDENTIFIER only. Paul OUTLAWED debate or discord about these personal practices and in Romans 15 DEFINED PERFECTLY the ekklesia or synagogue as a SCHOOL OF THE BIBLE. It was the Dionysiacs (wineskinners) who had to be REGULATED hundreds of years before Paul.
Rick: No church father condemns Music. IN fact, Clement says that
And even if you wish to sing and play to the harp or lyre, there is no blame
TRUTH SPEAKER: Well, out of context it SOUNDS like Rick is a TRUTH SPEAKER. However, he LIFTS out of context because Clement wrote much more which grasps that church was a time and place to read and chant (not metrical, not musical) the Psalms and other Biblical text to TEACH and ADMONISH one another. Isn't that so simple that the PhDuh's missed it.
Rick: There was no criticism of INSTRUMENTAL PRAISE.
TRUTH SPEAKER: I cannot think that ANY one would ever use the term INSTRUMENTAL PRAISE. David, speaking poetically, said that only things with BREATH can praise God. How about a PRAYER WHELL and just sleep in and save your money?
I can understand why our children MOLLESTED by "sunday cut N paste" might escape hell for denying what ALL of the christian church writers repeat, repeat, repeat. However, if that is part of your FOUNDATION for moving a church into what all church fathers and founders of denominations would call PAGANISM you have placed yourself under a sentence of hell.
For the full story which you might STUDY instead of listening to an UNLAWFUL SERMON which was imposed about the time singing was imposed by pagan priests who moves smoothly into the "church."
Let revelry keep away from our rational entertainments, and foolish vigils, too, that revel in intemperance. For revelry is an inebriating pipe, the chain of an amatory bridge, that is, of sorrow. And let love, and intoxication, and senseless passions, be removed from our choir. Burlesque singing is the boon companion of drunkenness. A night spent over drink invites drunkenness, rouses lust, and is audacious in deeds of shame.
For if people occupy their time with pipes, and psalteries, and choirs, and dances, and Egyptian clapping of hands, and such disorderly frivolities,they become quite immodest and intractable, beat on cymbals and drums, and make a noise on instruments of delusion ; for plainly such a banquet, as seems to me, is a theatre of drunkenness.
For the apostle decrees that, "putting off the works of darkness, we should put on the armour of light, walking honestly as in the day, not spending our time in rioting and drunkenness, in chambering and wantonness." Let the pipe be resigned to the shepherds,
and the flute to the superstitious who are engrossed in idolatry.
The THESIS of the Vineyard, aka New Wineskins Heresy is to use music to bring on EXHILARATION: just the thing Jesus died to remove along with the Holy Bartenders. You are in fact "drunk without" wine if the music alters your mind to make you PLEASURE. Who could HONESTLY appeal to Clement when he OUTLAWS even in the private life the very instruments Ricky wants to import. Remember, that Max proposes soft strings in a separate "room" but once the camel gets his FOOT into your tent the intent is to go "all the way." You cannot believe anyone who lies about ALL of the Bible and all known history.
Readers of whole thought patterns will see that even in PRIVATE MEALS the use of flutes or other wind instruments were suitable for immorality and IDOLATRY. Yea, superstitious because they STILL believe that God can be controlled or appeased with flutes (meaning to pollute or prostitute.)
However, Clement allows the lyre for private fellowship but then ALLEGORIZES it. Instruments were outlawed even in Christian meals because of the EFFECTS it has on the mind of people. Is that NOT a good enough reason NOT to do it? Only if you are brain dead do you need a LAW. Fact is, the word PSALLO outlawed everything but that which has a string to PULL: it outlaws the PLECTRUM. Sure, Clement was bible literate.
For, in truth, such instruments are to be banished from the temperate banquet, being more suitable to beasts than men, and the more irrational portion of mankind.
How are you going to make a dead man lie and say that it IS ACCEPTABLE to use wind instruments or clap hands IN CHURCH?
Chalal (h2490) khaw-lal'; a prim. root [comp. 2470]; prop. to bore, i. e. (by impl.) to wound, to dissolve; fig. to profane (a person, place or thing), to break (one's word), to begin (as if by an "opening wedge"); denom. (from 2485) to play (the flute): - begin (* men began), defile, * break, defile, * eat (as common things), * first, * gather the grape thereof, * take inheritance, pipe, player on instruments, pollute, (cast as) profane (self), prostitute, slay (slain), sorrow, stain, wound.
For we have heard of stags being charmed by the pipe, and seduced by music into the toils, when hunted by the huntsmen.
And when mares are being covered, a tune is played on the flute -a nuptial song, as it were.
And every improper sight and sound, to speak in a word, and every shameful sensation of licentiousnes"-which, in truth, is privation of sensation-must by all means be excluded and we must be on our guard against whatever pleasure titillates eye and ear, and EFFEMINATES. For the various spells of the broken strains and plaintive numbers of the Carian muse corrupt men's morals, drawing to perturbation of mind, by the licentious and mischievous art of music.
Jesus DIED to remove this PERTUBATION OF MIND which is the ONLY thing music produces. Paul also outlaw "creation of mental excitement. Music, in fact, SHUTS DOWN the rational mind and appeals ONLY to the emotion: lie all you want but it is JUST entertainment.
The MUSICAL and SEXUAL or HOMOSEXUAL connection is absolute in paganism. The church did not REFUSE to use instruments just because the PROSTITUTES used it. No, dumbo, they refused to USE it because they knew that MUSIC unfairly manipulates all of the PRIVATE PARTS and not just the ear drums. This, science knows, induces FIGHT, FLIGHT or SEXUALITY. Those DISCORDING the church cannot be what they appear to be.
ALL OF THESE INSTRUMENTS ARE EXCLUDED EVEN FROM PRIVATE MEALS
The Spirit, distinguishing from such REVELRY the divine service, sings,
"Praise Him with the sound of trumpet ; "for with sound of trumpet He shall raise the dead.
"Praise Him on the psaltery ; "for the TONGUE is the psaltery of the Lord.
"And praise Him on the lyre." By the lyre is meant the MOUTH struck by the Spirit, as it were by a PLECTRUM.
"Praise with the timbrel and the dance," refers to the Church meditating on the resurrection of the dead in the resounding skin.
"Praise Him on the chords and organ." Our body He calls an organ, and its nerves are the strings,
by which it has received harmonious tension, and when struck by the Spirit, it gives forth human voices.
"Praise Him on the clashing cymbals." He calls the tongue the cymbal of the mouth, which resounds with the pulsation of the lips.
Therefore He cried to humanity, "Let every breath praise the Lord," because He cares for every breathing thing which He hath made . For man is truly a pacific instrument; while other instruments, if you investigate, you will find to be warlike, inflaming to lusts, or kindling up amours, or rousing wrath.
In their wars, therefore, the Etruscans use the trumpet, the Arcadians the pipe, the Sicilians the pectides, the Cretans the lyre, the Lacedaemonians the flute, the Thracians the horn, the Egyptians the drum, and the Arabians the cymbal.
This reads much lie the Psalms of the Dead Sea which has Jesus using the INSTRUMENTS OF GOD which He gave us for that purpose AFTER his defeat of Satan.
He is now CLEARLY speaking about the CHURCH ASSEMBLY where NO instruments are allowed nor RATIONALLY lusted for. Remembering Romans 15, Ephesians and Collosians and understanding EKKLESIA he DIRECT COMMANDED that:
The one instrument of peace, the Word alone by which we honour God, is what we employ.
We no longer employ the ancient psaltery, and trumpet, and timbrel, and flute,
which those expert in war and contemners of the fear of God were wont to make use of
also in the choruses at their festive assemblies;
that by such strains they might raise their dejected minds. But let our genial feeling in drinking be twofold, in accordance with the law.
For "if thou shalt love the Lord try God," and then "thy neighbour,"
1. let its first manifestation be towards God in thanksgiving and psalmody, and
2. the second toward our neighbour in decorous fellowship.
For says the apostle, "Let the Word of the Lord dwell in you richly." And this Word suits and conforms Himself to seasons, to persons, to places. In the present instance He is a guest with us. For the apostle adds again, "Teaching and admonishing one another in all wisdom, in psalms, and hymns, and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your heart to God." And again, "Whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and His Father." This is our thankful revelry.
That PRETTY MUCH outlaws Twila Paris and the Musical Rocking fella? Fellowship would be outside of the assemblies where it was common to gather for a meal because people might travel all day to attend.
Love of God is expressed in thanksgiving and psalmody. Love of NEIGHBOR is in DECOROUS FELLOWSHIP. And "outside of church"
And even if you wish to sing and play to the harp or lyre, there is no blame. 104
Note 104 [Here instrumental music is allowed, though he turns everything into a type.]
FURTHERMORE: the subject is HOW TO CONDUCT OURSELVES AT FEASTS: not in church. This is restated so that Clement has OUTLAWED all but quiet string instruments EVEN IN PRIVATE dinner parties!
Thou shalt imitate the righteous Hebrew king in his thanksgiving to God. "Rejoice in the Lord, ye righteous; praise is comely to the upright," says the prophecy.
"Confess to the Lord on the harp ; play to Him on the psaltery of ten strings. Sing to Him a new song." And does not the ten-stringed psaltery indicate the Word Jesus, who is manifested by the element of the decad?
And as it is befitting, before partaking of food, that we should bless the Creator of all; so also in drinking it is suitable to praise Him on partaking of His creatures. For the psalm is a melodious and sober blessing. The apostle calls the psalm "a spiritual song."
Earlier:
The Holy Spirit, uttering His voice by Amos, pronounces the rich to be wretched on account of their luxury: "Those that drink strained wine, and recline on an ivory couch," he says; and what else similar he adds by way of reproach.
Especial regard is to be paid to decency (as the myth represents Athene, whoever she was, out of regard to it, giving up the pleasure of the flute because of the unseemliness of the sight ):
Note 77 [Here Clement satirizes heathen manners, and quote Athene, to shame Christians who imitate them.]
There is not a single historical reference the musical crowd do not deliberately pervert knowing that most of the fools can be fooled enough to fill the collection plates DIVERTED from the destitute.
If you BUILD growth on lies, what is going to happen when people DISCOVER that you are not on THEIR SIDE? If the Christian church wants to be the "fastest growing" shouldn't they buy and pay for new property?
Why Rick must DESTROY all of the denominational shrines.
December 21 2006, 8:25 AM
WHY NO MEGA CHURCH CAN BE AN EKKLESIA OR SCHOOL OF CHRIST THROUGH THE BIBLE
Like all preachers of the instrumental persuasion willing to risk their souls by deliberately teaching false doctrine because THEY DO NOT KNOW the text, Rick without reading the chapter, THINKS that he has found a DIRECT COMMAND which DEMANDS that we do INSTRUMENTAL PRAISE. I will quote the "immediate" context to see on the face of it that this reading is INTERPRETED without discernment and Ricks's interpretation contradicts the original ritual of David, almost 300 years ago. I would call that FORSAKING THE ASSEMBLY. Once you have been there, done that Rick gives you permission to NEVER DO THAT AGAIN. But, what does the Bible have to do with OUR culture asks Rick? Remember that God had abandoned the "united kingdom" to Astrial worship: one had the number 666. Therefore, God communicated to the LOST David through GAD who was a STARGAZER!
Rick ASSERTED 1 Chronicles 29 as Sowing of Discord Authority but didn't BOTHER to let the Spirit OF Christ get a word in edgewise: that IS the maning of Music to SHUT GOD'S FACE:
25 And he set the LEVITES in the house [court] of the LORD with cymbals, with psalteries, and with harps,
according to the commandment of David, and of Gad the king's seer,
and Nathan the prophet [TRUMPETS]: for so was the commandment of the LORD by his prophets.
26 And the LEVITES stood
with the instruments of David,
and the priests
with the trumpets.
27And Hezekiah commanded to offer the burnt offering upon the altar.
And when the burnt offering BEGAN
[1] the song of the LORD began also with the trumpets,
[2] and with the instruments ordained by David KING of Israel.
This is NOT a WORSHIP SERVICE but a PLAGUE-STOPPING PRAYER by Hezekian. Without a radical NEW BIRTH, it is too late for Rick and the Wolves to go back to the BASICS and grasp what is going on. I was tempted to define TEMPLES as the CAPITAL of the KING in unlawful and ungodly MONARCHIES of which David was part of God's CURSE for the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai and the sentence carried out BY THE KINGS.
Therefore, not being able to do what the ELDERS hired a hireling to do, I feel the urge to back up to kindergarten 101aaa to show that once Israel had become a NATION after God ABANDONED THEM, the PLAN for the Temple came out just like that built by Hiram (the Masonic Architect) and was therefore supplied with IDOLS such as the Phallic Pillars with fertility stuff flowing out the top. That temple spent more time for pagan rituals than the animal sacrifices which were TYPICAL of Killing the gods but which gave no relief: therefore, it was a CURSE and NOT God's first but failed PATTERNISM FOR WORSHIP.
I challenge any preacher or professor to say that they understand the what and why of Hezekiah's Plague Stopping contract with God. Why would anyone appeal to a superstitious, pagan ritual of exorcism as AUTHORITY to go thou and do likewise. There is no way to take this INSTRUMENTAL PRAISE out of context without having God pour out His WRATH . Using the same logic, one could easily destroy all of the denominational churches in the area: just like Hezekiah who played the harp all of his life and let his son grow up to burn babies.
We have noted that churches in deep trouble often turn to music as a way to fill the unlawful collection plates. One of those church FATHERS whom Rick says does not condemn instruments spoke of the SOOTHSAYERS which John calls the speakers, singers and musicians: the millstone is a 'pipe' because of the sound it makes and is "perforated" and in Hebrew the grinder was also a prostitute
"Nay, rather, to speak out more truly, the augurs, the dream interpreters, the soothsayers, the prophets, and the priestlings, ever vain, have devised these fables;
for they, fearing that their own arts be brought to nought,
and that they may EXTORT but scanty contributions from the devotees, now few and infrequent,
whenever they have found you to be willing that their craft should come into disrepute, cry aloud,
the Gods are neglected, and in the temples there is now a very thin attendance.
For ceremonies are exposed to derision,
and the time-honoured rites of institutions once sacred
have sunk before the superstitions of new religions.
And men--a senseless race--being unable, from their inborn blindness, to see even that which is placed in open light,
dare to assert in their frenzy what you in your sane mind do not blush to believes." (Arnobius, Against the Heathen,
Paul DENIED the Law of Giving and even giving for the DESTITUTE under pressure he equated to EXTORTION.
All of history notes that the Praise Leaders were intended to praise the tribal LEADER and prop him up and give him glory so he can BOAST.
How churches can go BEYOND BABYLON and the Vilest Pagan Temple
"Each of the important deities had, in one or more of the Babylonian cities, a large temple in which he or she was worshiped. Temple services were generally conducted in open courts containing fountains for ablution and altars for sacrifices.
Only the high priest and other privileged members of the clergy and court were permitted to enter the cella, or inner part of the temple, which held the special statue of the deity.
The needs of the deity were provided for in accordance with impressive ceremonies carried out by a vast institutionalized clergy that included priests, musicians, magicians, soothsayers, dream interpreters, astrologers, and hierodules (temple slaves or prostitutes).
Sacrifices of food, drink, or incense were offered daily. Numerous festivals were held, the most important of which was the celebration of the new year at the spring equinox. [Encarta Encyclopedia]
No speaker, singer or musician dared come BEFORE THE DEITY on the penalty of Death in Jerusalem. Rick has dared to go where not even the vilest pagan temple permitted.
The ENCOMIAST was the clergy PRAISE SINGER. McClintock and Strong says that this was "the first heresy largely pervading the church."
FAST FORWARD TO SEE WHAT JESUS CHRIST DIED FOR
An EKKLESIA or church of Christ ASSembles itself to Rest, Read, Rehearse and honor the Lord. The word REST outlaws speakers, singers or picking and grinning: the Sabbath prevented "sending out MINISTERS" and maybe that is why Paul waited until MONDAY MORNING to leave toen.
When the SUNAGO DISSassembles itself where does it god? Like a candle, it just QUITS PROSCESSING. The Lord's Day is for the people NOT the unlawful clergy. The group then goes about its OWN life and an elected "elder" calls an assembly if needed. It has NO staff infection and NO FUNDING for the lazy asses (John Calvin's words) to ride on the backs of widows (meaning Pharisee).
THEREFORE, A MARK of Babylonianism is an INSTITUTE which unlike the 'threshing oxen' just moves in as husband. ALL temples were the King's Shrine and Israel had been "turned over" to be just a Gentile Nation--worse than Sodom, says God. Look again at what Israel PRAYED FOR:
"An Egyptian temple was NOT a place of public worship. It was the shrine for the neter (wrongly translated as god), who represented some specific aspect of the One God.
Only the priesthood had access to the inner sanctuaries, where the sacred rites and ceremonies were performed. In some instances, only the King himself or his authorized substitute had permission to enter.
"The ancient Egyptian temple was built to facilitate the meeting
between a specific supernatural / metaphysical force (neter/netert),
and the physical / human, for the benefit of the people, land, and the universe.
"It was not intended to be an art gallery for academicians and tourists. Only a small part of it was open to the ancient Egyptian public, on annual festivities. Therefore, every ancient Egyptian temple had / has a specific function.
We learned in the Fast Group that Israel's MUSICAL TRINITARIAN IDOLATRY was seen by God as a PRAYER: Stephen and lots of Old Testament is spent informing the Jews that far from being favored, they had been TURNED OVER TO WORSHIP THE STARRY HOST. We also learned that SCHOLARS understand this to be Sabanism or Astrial Deity worship: that is why the SABBATH had to be calculated based on the MOON: the Moon Goddess is ALLAH.
The SABBATH or REST was a COVENANT SIGN between God and Israel that HE did all of the work: the Israelites POLLUTED the Sabbath with MUSIC: the Word similar to HALAL can mean "play the flute, steal your property, pollute or prostitute": It NEVER means worship. It defines Lucifer CAST OUT OF HEAVEN and the Musical Ministrels CAST OUT LIKE DUNG by Jesus Christ Who REPUDIATES anyone HELPING Him do His Work. The Lord's Day is a Covenant Sign of spiritual REST: music POLLUTES that rest as Scripture makes clear by words such as REST.
If you PERFORM the work of a WORSHIP SERVICE you are VIOLATING both the Rest of Creation and the Rest or ReCreation. And nothing is more WORKS INTENSIVE than musical performance: (Jesus called them hypocrites, John called them Sorcerers, literate society called them PARASITES
Any clear reading of the text will show that the Jews observed SUN SET but all of the evidence has the LORD'S DAY beginning EARLY at Midnight: that is why Jesus could meet with them EARLY on the first day of the week and still meet again in the EVENING of the First day of the week.
FOR THE CIVILIANS: God commanded the Qahal, ekklesia or synagogue and EXCLUDED the loud noises of wind instruments and EXCLUDED "making a joyful noise before the Lord: we learned that from the meaningof ALARM or TRIUMPH which creates the BURDEN Jesus died to remove to give us REST: Pauo means "Stop the speaking, Stop the singing, Stop the Music."
For the Military-Industrial Complex, the BURDEN was laded on the backs of the LEVITES to make sacrifices: the SERVICE of the singers is called HARD BONDAGE and never worship.
EXCEPT BY YOUR LEAVE THERE IS NO ROLE OF PREACHER IN THE CHURCH OF CHRIST If people are hired it is to be TEACHERS and not SLAVE DRIVERS to keep up the ANXIETY under the PLOY of growth.
The Church in the Wilderness was to REST, Read and Rehearse the Word of God: even "songs" were RECITED because there is no METRICAL MATERIAL IN THE BIBLE. It was recited with accent marks and the "normal inflections of the human voice." Even the Greek for narrative poetry demands RECITING without music. LYRIC songs demand a LYRE as Lucian says just like to "play the flute yoou NEED a flute" or "to ride a horse you NEED a horse." They lie about Lucian also. The synagogue in the WILDERNESS as all Jewish authorities along with ALL Bible readers. (Greg Killian) note:
"A community, qahal in Hebrew, is a Jewish community of any size. The qahal was a well established concept and was called an ekklesia in the Nazarean Codicil. In English we translate the Greek ekklesia as church. So, whenever we see the word church in our Nazarean Codicil's, we should have in mind the concept of a qahal, a community or congregation.
The Septuagint uses the word Ecclesia seventy times when it translates the Hebrew word: kve (qahal could also be spelled Cahal), from which we get our English word call. It means to call together, to assemble, or gather together.
The synagogue serves the same purpose for a community
that the Temple served for the nation
From this midrash we learn that the STUDY and application of the scriptures and the oral law,
are the work that a group of people put in to establish a qahal.
However, without a structure to impart this wisdom, the qahal will not prosper. The structure that establishes and prospers a qahal is the synagogue.
Jesus wiped out the temple for the third time and burned up all of the musicians and tens of thousands of instruments.
He established the EKKLESIA which does not mean CHURCH named after Circe, the Mother of Harlots who seduced with drugs and music and fed you on hand-kneeded dung patty cakes. Or it is named after Kurios (?) which defines an AUTHORATIVE INSTITUTION.
The church of Christ is a SCHOOL OF THE BIBLE and it is exampled by Jesus, defined by Paul in clear explicit terms and practiced for almost the year 400 when preaching and singing came in with the pagan priests.
Next, if you are interested in OBEYING Hezekiah (or the commentator) I will quote the text to prove that this was both totally a CIVIL-MILITARY animal plague stopping sacrifice
PSALM 45: No, Jesus does not live in Ivory Palaces with SINGING GIRLS.
December 22 2006, 10:57 AM
Rick Atchley says that God COMMANDS INSTRUMENTAL PRAISE and we should not be disobedient. The move to INSTRUMENTAL will move shortly to Sunday morning if Max is the leader. Because of the real hatful attitude about the ANTI-instrumental churches of Christ who still believe the HISTORIC position that bringing MACHINES into the presence of a Holy God when He agrees to meet and teach us, is a SIN BEYOND REDEMPTION. So identifies God who associates weapons, music and enchantment (Naamah) with CAINITES who destroyed the world. These characters appear in Babylonian tablets, the Book of Enoch and dozens of similar accounts by people who could READ the Bible's less-specific account.
Does Psalm ANTICIPATE instrumental music in the CHURCH? The Law, King, Monarchy, sacrificial system and the KING'S headquarters or temple complex was ADDED because of the musical idolatry of the trinity at Mount Sinai and because the ELDERS wanted a King or "dominant pastor" to lead them. God understood that they wanted to WORSHIP like the nations or pagans. That was what they had been conditionally abandoned to at Mount Sinai (Stephen, Acts 7 etal). They were involved with pagan Sabazianism or Astrial deity worship including Saturn who is Chaldee 666.
Because it is ready, I will post stuff on Psalm 58, while I do some work showing the parallel between Stephen's and Amos' associaton of loud rejoicing with IDOLATRY or DEMON WORSHIP at Mount Sinai where God first came in judgement with a FIREY LAW
The POPULACE was quarantined in the Qahal or synagogue to REST, READ and REHEARSE the Word of God and the ALARM or loud noise and rejoicing was OUTLAWED: just common sense that you dont musicate when God is speaking through the elders.
That continued until Messiah who would build a SPIRITUAL KINGDOM without houses or HANDS of workers involved. Jesus exampled and Paul CLEARLY DEFINED the ekklesia or synagoue in Romans 15 and he EXCLUDES self -pleasing which is 'creating mental excitement.'
Somehow the MUSICAL retrogrades cannot TOLERATE the simple "school of the bible" because it provides no JOB DESCRIPTIONS or FUNDING for rhetoricians, singers or musicians as animal ATTRACTANTS. Jesus, Greek definitions and everyone called them HYPOCRITES. And because they fulfilled NO PRODUCTIVE FUNCTION the were known as PARASITES. The role is to "teach that which has been taught" and you can ONLY be diverted into the theology which Jesus condemned as "doctors of the law who take away the key to knowledge.
Music is always an expression of FEAR that the gods will not give you FERTILITY (members) or indeed MAY hurt you do not feed, clothe, house, entertain and do sex with him through the AGENTS of course. That is the next to last ACT brought on by Carol Wimber, the Mother of new style praise. We call the VINEYARD movement the NEW WINSKIN movement.
MUSICAL PROPHESYING is said to be the world's OLDEST profession: H. Bamford Parkes says that they must be "emotionally or sexually abnormal." Music is also the most ANCIENT, superstitious, legalistic and PATTERNIST act to control the "gods" known to mankind.
Gen 4:21 And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ.
The word HANDLE means that Jubal used music and musicians to CONTROL people WITHOUT AUTHORITY. He descended from CAIN which is derived from JUBILEE or blowing instruments or "a musical NOTE."
H8610 manipulate, figuratively to use unwarrantably:--catch, handle, (lay, take) hold (on, over), stop, surely, surprise, take.
[MEANING WITCHCRAFT] H8609 tâphar taw-far' A primitive root; to sew: (women that) sew (together).
H8608 tâphaph taw-faf' A primitive root; to drum, that is, play (as) on the tambourine: taber, play with timbrels.
[MEANING HELL FIRE] H8612 tôpheth to'-feth The same as H8611 ; Topheth, a place near Jerusalem: Tophet, Topheth.
NOT A STRETCH: John called the singers, musicians and all religious teknokrats SORCERERS.
A musical instrument is a MACHINE or a WEAPON and it is using to DO WORKS. That means LEGALISTIC.
Organon , to, ( [ergon, erdô] ) A. instrument, implement, tool, for making or doing a thing 3.musical instrument Ergon [Ergô] I.work, 1. in Il. mostly of deeds of war, polemêïaerga, 3.a HARD piece of work, a hard task, Il.: also, a SHOCKING DEED or act,
Armageddon is, in fact, a POLEMIC war: not the war of the World but the war of WORDS against the INSTRUMENTS Lucifer introduced.
SHOCK AND AWE IS PART OF THE POSTMODERN CHANGE AGENDA You are supposed to COWER IN FEAR and NOT oppose them
Plato Symposium Why, yes, and a far more marvellous one than the satyr [Pan, goat, female is CAPELLA). His lips indeed had power to ENTRANCE mankind by means of instruments; a thing still possible today for anyone who can pipe his tunes: for the music of Olympus' flute belonged, I may tell you, to Marsyas his teacher.
So that if anyone, whether a fine flute-player or paltry flute-girl, can but flute his tunes, they have no equal for exciting a ravishment, and will indicate by the divinity that is in them who are apt recipients of the deities and their sanctifications.
The CLAIM to be inspired and also GOD in Christ Jesus with power to LEAD YOU INTO THE PRESENCE OF GOD. That IS the meaning of the Abomination of Desolation. This is the Lord, Lord sayers and God WILL NOT KNOW YOUR NAME. Now, LEGALISTIC, SECTARIAN, PATTERNISTS WILL FILCH ANY POSSIBLE TIDBIT TO TRY TO TRUMP THE 100% ASSOCIATION OF MUSIC WIITH SATAN AND GENDER-CHALLENGED. PSALM 45 IS USED TO TEACH A FALSE DOCTRINE and VIOLATES the direct command to teach Psalm 45 AS IT WAS WRITTEN being sure that you don't FILCH just enough to blaspheme.
In Hebrews 1 Paul uses only one expression from Psalm 45. If he thought that Jesus had singing girls dancing with him in perfumed palaces this would have been a good time to quote more. Quoting common expressions DOES NOT make Jesus or Paul endorse everything connected with that quotation. This is a SELF-PRAISE and if by David is not unusual. He claimed that God loved him because he was perfectly righteous. You see there is always the POET'S opinion versus GOD'S opinion.
Thou art fairer than the children of men: grace is poured into thy lips: therefore God hath blessed thee for ever. Psalm 45:2 Gird thy sword upon thy thigh, O most mighty, with thy glory and thy majesty. Psalm 45:3
And in thy majesty ride prosperously because of truth and meekness and righteousness; and thy right hand shall teach thee terrible things. Psalm 45:4 Thine arrows are sharp in the heart of the kings enemies; whereby the people fall under thee. Psalm 45:5
The Spiritual David gave us the SWORD OF THE SPIRIT.
Sounds like martial force is being used to sow discord with STRINGS: why not go out and threaten to shoot everyone who does not BOW before you? This is clearly David and the musical bunch clearly ASSUME the role of a "king set over us." Maybe instead of shooting real arrows or the Love Arrows of Apollo (Apollyon), doesn't even minimal reading show that the literature often spoke of SHOOTING FORTH hymns to Pluck the heart strings. Here is one of the FATHERS whom Atchley says said nothing NEGATIVE about instrumental music and I insist that they ALMOST ALL did.
The harmony, therefore, of the Barbarian psaltery, which exhibited gravity of strain, being the most ancient, most certainly became a model for Terpander, for the Dorian harmony, who sings the praise of Zeus thus:
“O Zeus, of all things the Beginning, Ruler of all;
O Zeus, I send thee this beginning of hymns.”
"The Lyre, according to its primary significance, may by the psalmist be used figuratively for the Lord; accordingly to its secondary, for those who continually strike the chords of their souls under the direction of the Choir-master, the Lord. And if the people saved be called the lyre, it will be understood to be in consequence of their giving glory musically, through the inspiration of the Word and the knowledge of God, being struck by the Word so as to produce faith.
"You may take music in another way, as the ecclesiastical symphony at once of the law and the prophets, and the apostles along with the Gospel, and the harmony which obtained in each prophet, in the transitions of the persons. --(Clement of Alexandria allegorizes instrumental music, Stromata, Book VI, Chapt XI, Ante-Nicene, II, p. 500).
Paul used one of the most common expressions about melody IN THE HEART: Why is Rick so hot on violating all historical facts just to TRIUMPH OVER his enemies?
Plautus, Curculio CAPPADOX My spleen is killing me, my reins are in torment, my lungs are being torn asunder, my liver is being tortured, my heart-strings are giving way, all my intestines are in pain.
Hecuba Alas! a dreadful trial is near, it seems, [230] full of mourning, rich in tears. Yes, I too escaped death where death had been my due, and Zeus did not destroy me but is still preserving my life, that I may witness in my misery fresh sorrows surpassing all before. But if the bond may ask the free of things that do not GRIEVE them or WRENCH their heart-strings, you ought to speak in answer to my questions and I ought to hear what you have to say.
On the other hand, Rick is FULFILLING the prophecy of Apollo or Apollyon. Now, note that the bow and lyre are tuned to the same note but PSALLO has no more musical meaning than PLUCKING the bow string:
Thy scarlet-tinctured foot? or from my bow
The lyre of Phoebus [Apollo, Apollyon] to thy notes attuned
Will not protect thee; farther stretch thy wings;
Go, wanton, skim along the Delian lake,
Or wilt thou steep thy melody in blood.
Look, what strange bird comes onwards; wouldst thou fix
Beneath the battlements thy straw-built nest?
My singing bow shall drive thee hence; begone,
Or to the banks of Alpheus, gulfy stream, grace
Or to the Isthmian grove; there hatch thy young;
Apollyon is the father of "twanging bows to shoot singing arrows, musical melody, thieves and liars." He unleashes his LOCUSTS or MUSES or musical SORCERERS in Revelation to make WAR and LOVE at the same time. Otherwise there is NO MUSICAL MEANING to the word PSALLO: arrows and blood in the external sense or "love arrows." His Musical Worship Team were the MUSES: The Mother goddess had sent them into the underworld. However, speaking to those with EYES and EARS, John says that he is the model of Lucifer who HAD FALLEN from heaven and he unleashes the LOCUSTS which is the MARK of the MUSICIANS and they have SCORPION STINGERS: they put you to sleep and then give you the STING OF DEATH.
Now, here is the one concept quoted by Paul but this is clearly speaking about the KING and MILITARY COMMANDER?
Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. Psalm 45:6
Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. Psalm 45:7
This is taken as prophetic of Messiah but one does not USE Messiah as a love object as is fairly clear of David, most kings and ALL priesthoods.
KJV: All thy garments smell of myrrh, and aloes, and cassia, out of the ivory palaces, whereby they have made thee glad. Psalm 45:8
This where Rick Atckley says God ANTICIPATED insstrumetal praise IN THE CHURCH.
The NIV is the PRO-MUSIC Bible of Choice and it has no reason to add STRINGS here:
NIV: All your robes are fragrant with myrrh and aloes and cassia;
from palaces adorned with ivory
the music of the strings makes you glad. Ps.45:8NIV
Scholars know that there is NO MUSICAL content in this verse. Even if it did it applied to David and not the SPIRITUAL Messiah. God doesn't drag around girls and wimpy males OUT where one must KNOW a crucified Christ and not JUST PREACH "the cross." Amos contrasted with Acts 7 will show that what Rick DEMANDS is exactly what this MISTRANSLATION teaches him.
Sounds like David and Apollyon but NOT like Messiah! May sound like mega-preachers who accept worship for themselves and seek to add more STAFF which all of history knows was to GIVE GLORY to the Alpha Male of the tribe. That is what David was saying but DAVID was "a man after God's own heart" in THE FIRST WAYS OF DAVID. However, that just means that GOD PICKED HIM. And Samuel has God making it PERFECTLY CLEAR that the kings were selected to CARRY OUT THE CAPTIVITY AND DEATH SENTEENCE IMPOSED BECAUSE OF MUSICAL IDOLATRY If you WORSHIP serpents God SENDS you serpents: if you worship MUSIC god sends you MUSIC. If you whine about food god SENDS you quail until it RUNS OUT OF YOUR NOSTRILES. Smell good?
More on Psalm 45 later. Ken Sublett, Hohenwald, TN, piney01@netnation.com
The ceremonies generate the atmosphere which in due time produces the anti-Christian beliefs. The candles, crosses, crucifixes, images, incense, vestments, and ornate ritual of the English Church have promoted the pro-Romish movement there. These have powerfully contributed to change the Ritualisers into Romanisers; and, on this side of the Border, a similar educational process is going rapidly forward. The late Bishop Forbes, of Dundee, adverted with satisfaction to the fact that "everywhere around us, even in systems with which we have no theological affinity, we see the aid of architecture invocated in the construction of churches,
and the unattractive forms of Presbyterian worship are being modified by the introduction of chanted Psalms, organs,
and other accessories of Divine worship which would have horrified the last generation."
In the public services of the house of God on the Lord's day, and in many Presbyterian Churches, there are anthems, sentences, responses, solos, organ voluntaries, instrumental quartets, hymnals, prayer books, vestments, apses, altars, crosses, and other accompaniments of a ritualistic worship.
There is the ritualism against which Spurgeon uttered no uncertain sound when he said that he would
"like to see all the pipes of the organs in our Nonconformist places of worship either ripped open or compactly filled with concrete;"
and "what a degradation to supplant the intelligent song of the whole congregation
by the theatrical prettiness of a quartet, the refined niceties of a choir, or
the blowing of wind from inanimate bellows and pipes." [Lifeless Instruments or Carnal Weapons]
There is the ritualism against which a Young Men's Association in Dublin protested
by declining to countenance a jubilee meeting in St. Paul's, London, because of the reredos.
There is the ritualism against which the congregation in the west rose in righteous revolt,
compelling a promise from the Presbyterian incumbent to cease his mystic movements at the table of the Lord.
There is the ritualism against which, in St. Giles' once, Janet Geddes kindled the spark of a noble rebellion - a liturgy in the house of God.
There is the ritualism against which George Gillespie delivered a destructive blow by his work on "English-Popish Ceremonies Obtruded on the (Reformed) Church of Scotland" the ritualism of saints' days and holy days, and in which he described these and other ceremonies as the "twigs and spriggs of Popish superstition."
These and other similar rites and ceremonies have been repudiated by the Presbyterianism of this northern kingdom without a dissentient voice for the last 300 years.
I must decline concurring with those who accuse the ritualists in the Presbyterian Churches of a deliberate conspiracy to overthrow the Protestant faith.
But it is probably impossible to devise any better methods for that purpose than those adopted by the ritualists.
If a number of ministers in Presbyterian charges where no ritualism exists were to resolve to ritualise and Romanise their congregations, could they adopt better measures than those in operation by ritualists?
This is similar to Lynn Anderson's "navigating the winds of change" when the groupies were BLOWING the winds of change. It is articulated by Plato, Machiavelli (quoted by Shelly to explain the "slows"), Le bonn, Hitler, Gramsci and The Purpose Driven Cult. Why don't they OUT their hidden agenda? Because you would, as Lynn warns, probably FIRE them. Therefore, they have to soften you up like boiling a frog. YOU ARE THE FROGS.
Their plan of campaign would be marked by the following stages at considerable intervals:
1. adverse comments on the simplicity of the worship observed;
2. a choir, who would alone sing;
3. a hymnal, with hymns from Romish sources, [NOT the Bible] and
4. frequent use of hymns by Newman and other notable Romanists;
5. a harmonium in the Sabbath school;
6. an organ in the church (a gift if possible);
7. occasional references to Protestants as bigots;
8. frequent use of the terms "the church," "holy communion," and "holy orders;"
9. a new church in shape of a cross, with chancel, nave, organ loft, apse, altar, and reredos;
10. introduction of saints' days and holy days, including Ash Wednesday, Maunday Thursday, Good Friday, Holy Saturday, and Easter Sunday; crosses, crosiers; candles; incense; thurifers; and so on.
Would not such ministers and their congregations be ready for union with the Church of England Romanisers? Would they not be toying all this time with the trinkets of Babylon? Of the Church yielding to such rites in the period after the first Reformation, Gillespie wrote that
"her lovely locks are frizzled with the crisping pins of anti-Christian fashions."
Multitudes of moderate drinkers never, indeed, become drunkards,
but the drunkards are recruited from the ranks of the moderates, and those who fall into ritualistic habits, little by little, incur the risk of being fully Romanised. These two ritualisms, when closely examined, are seen to be exactly alike in their underlying principle.Both arise on the assumption of a right on the part of the worshipper to exercise his own will in forms of service and matters of faith.They both do obeisance to a human authority in the house of God; they exalt the human will to a place of at least equality with the Divine will.
In discussing this question the late Principal Cunningham, of the Free Church, quoted the words: "A show of wisdom in will-worship," and proceeded:
"A most exact description of the rites and ceremonies which the Church has introduced in the exercise of her fancied power. They are will-worship, as being invented or devised by men themselves, without any sanction or warrant from God; and they have a show of wisdom, as some of them were originally introduced from an honest though mistaken intention to promote the right and acceptable worship of God; and all of them are professedly directed to that object."
The germinating principle at the root of ritualism and Popery is one and the same.The principle
thrusts out the sovereignty of God from the house of God,
and welcomes the authority of man;
it dethrones Deity and enthrones humanity. A revolution is soon effected by it in the regions of worship and belief.
Churches become concert-rooms, and no longer sanctuaries of the Lord of Hosts;
and the services no longer worship INTENDED to be acceptable to God, but, performances to ATTRACT the people.
In the region of belief, the Church teaches for doctrines, the commandments of men
and thus, eventually shutting out God, the minds of men are DEPRIVED of liberty, and their souls of everlasting life.
The Bible says it over and over and one meaning of the BURDEN Jesus died to remove is SINGING which always creates spiritual anxiety and therefore is used by Satan whose SPIRIT is the FATHER, says Jesus, of those wh 'speakon their own."
I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in my name, saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed. Jer 23:25
How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart; Jer 23: 26 Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams, which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal. Jer 23: 27
The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell (celebrate) a dream; and he that hath my word (dabar), let him speak my word faithfully.
What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the Lord. Jer 23: 28 Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces? Jer 23: 29
Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the Lord, that steal my words every one from his neighbour. Jer 23: 30
Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the Lord, that use their tongues, and say, He saith. Jer 23: 31
Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the Lord, and do tell (celebrate) them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness (frivolity) ;
yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the Lord. Jer 23:32
And when this people, or the prophet, or a priest, shall ask thee, saying, What is the burden (SONG) of the Lord? thou shalt then say unto them, What burden? I will even forsake you, saith the Lord. Jer 23: 33
And as for the prophet, and the priest, and the people, that shall say, The burden of the Lord, I will even punish that man and his house. Jer 23: 34
Thus shall ye say every one to his neighbour, and every one to his brother, What hath the Lord answered? and, What hath the Lord spoken? Jer 23: 35
And the burden (song) of the Lord shall ye mention no more; for every mans word shall be his burden (song): for ye have perverted the words of the living God, of the Lord of hosts our God. Jer 23: 36
Thus shalt thou say to the prophet, What hath the Lord answered thee? and, What hath the Lord spoken? Jer 23: 37
You must understand that the UNIVERSAL, agreed-upon lie it to accuse those seeking to RESTORE the church BY cutting the FAT (if you know what I mean). People who thus lie cannot READ that God communicates (like preachers) through Direct commands, examples and necessary inferences. You will search in vain to find a church father or true scholar who DENIED God the right they take for themselves. Rick Atchley claims that NONE of them were against Music for "good" reasons when ALL of them were against it.
Keer Continued:
John Knox detected the essence of this principle when he wrote: "I would ask if Jesus Christ be not King and Head of His Kirk. Then it becometh the Kirk of Jesus Christ to admit what He speaketh, to receive and embrace His laws,
and when He maketh end of speaking or law-giving then to rest. All worship, honouring, or service invented by the brain of man in the religion of God without His express commandment is idolatry." This also defines the PHARISEES while the HYPOCRITES are "speakers, singers, musicians and actors."
The great Scriptural principle, which alone is fitted to PROTECT the Church of Christ from Ritualism and Romanism,
is that nothing is to be admitted into the worship of God which is not approved in the Word of God.
Peter claimed a face to face revelation of TRUTH which was validated by miracles. He lays down the principle that the elders must "teach that which HAS BEEN taught. This is the MARK to identify FALSE TEACHERS. If the ADD, SUBTRACT or MODIFY including private interpretation meaning "further expounding" this is a MARK of a false teacher. Only by "closing the book and locking it" is it possible to have a STRAIGHT STICK by which to compare the CROOKED STICKS.
This principle is explained by the assembly of English, Scottish, and Irish divines who met at Westminster, 300 years ago, when they condemned
"all devising, counselling, commanding, using, or anywise approving any religious worship not instituted by God Himself; and corrupting the worship of God, adding to it, or taking from it, whether invented and taken up of ourselves, or received by tradition from others, though under the title of antiquity, custom, devotion, good intent, or any other pretence whatsomever."
There is no other measuring line for the sanctuary
which can protect the Church from the wildest fancies in worship,
and the people from the tyranny of ministers and majorities in imposing the fashions they see fit.
If the majority in one congregation prefer an organ to all other instruments of music, and impose it on a minority,
then majorities in other congregations may have and impose different instruments, and instruments that may be much more acceptable to them, as fiddles, the bagpipes, and banjos.
On the Law of Silence used ONLY by the musical SECTARIANS.
If it is proper to introduce any rites and ceremonies not expressly prohibited in the Scriptures, then there is no barrier against the admission, if a majority wish it, of all the rites and ceremonies of the ritualists and Romanists. The whole ritualistic and Romish wardrobe and apparatus can be justified, with crucifixes, incense, candles, and whole Pontifical ceremonial.
The will of the King in Zion is thus despised, and human tastes and fancies run riot in the courts of the Lord. "In all ways," writes Charnock,
"men have been forward to disfigure God's models and dress up a brat of their own.
It is NATURAL for men to worship God in a human way, and not in a Divine. As though God had not understanding enough to prescribe the form of His own worship, and not wisdom enough to support it WITHOUT the crutches of human prudence. Human prudence is too low to parallel Divine wisdom; it is an incompetent judge of what is fit, for an Infinite Majesty.
Though in this they do not seem to climb up above God, yet
they set themselves in the throne of God, envy Him an absolute monarchy, would be sharers with Him in His legislative power,
and grasp one end of His sceptre in their own hands."
This and MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS IS THE LUCIFER OR JUDAS GOAT PRINCIPLE.
The Reformers fearlessly applied this principle to the Church at the REFORMATION, and delivered her from all those rites and ceremonies for which no Scriptural warrant could be produced. Acting upon it, they thrust out altars, crosses, images, liturgies, and the material adjuncts and ceremonies of human invention in use. The General Assembly of the Church of Scotland, in a letter to the Assembly at Westminster, wrote that: "We were greatly refreshed to hear of your praiseworthy proceedings, and of the great good things the Lord hath wrought among you and for you.
Shall it seem a small thing in our eyes that many corruptions, as altars, images, and other monuments of idolatry and superstition
are removed, defaced, and abolished; the service-book in many places forsaken;
the great organs at Paul's and Peter's taken down."
It was because this principle was so thoroughly applied that Knox could boldly say:
"All others retain some footsteps of anti-Christ and some dregs of Popery, but we (all praise to God alone) have nothing within our churches that ever flowed from that man of sin;"
and that Rutherford could joyously say: "It is not brick nor clay, nor Babel's cursed timber and stones, that is in our sacred temple, but our blessed King Jesus is building His house, all palace work and carved stones: it is the habitation of the Lord."
If the Protestant Churches of the land are to be delivered from the pro-Romish influences at work, this principle, which rejects all forms and ceremonies which have no Scriptural warrant, must be again fearlessly enforced.
The trustees who would administer the estate of a testator in ways not prescribed by the deed of their incorporation, would expose themselves to an action of serious issues in the highest Courts of the land;
and why should administrators of the will and testament of the great King travel beyond the provisions of that will, and attempt to extend it by measures for which no warrant can be produced from the Trust-deed?
And why would anyone give to the LORD knowing that it will probably be DIVERTED to the personal use and aggrandisement of the ADMINISTRATOR.
See Response to West Houston Church of <?> on Candles which is DEFACTO fire worship and the clearest MARK of Babylon the Mother of Harlots who USES speakers, singers and musicians as SORCERERS to deliberately deceive the whole world: who can doubt it when all of the instrumental churches lie about every "musical" concept in the Bible and church history:
The MARK of the Beast is well defined throughout Scripture which is a POINTER to pagan religions but which can be read only by those with A holy spirit and who GUARDS their spirit by worshiping ONLY in that place because "outside there be DOGS" who along with the musical sorcerers in Revelation have a special place for them NAMED after the TAMBOURINE.
Speaking of Niceta approving singing AS OPPOSED to silent "singing in the heart," when MUSICAL DISCORD struck as late as the FOURTH CENTURY Allan Moray notes:
It is clear that to some Christians the new fascination with music in worship seemed a dangerous novelty. Some use of music had long been made, and Basil refers to A hymn already old by his time;14
but it had been relatively unimportant and had gone unnoticed by those who now fought against church music.
Now some monks aimed to spend their whole lives singing psalms, and many ordinary Christians seem to have been attracted to Christian music at the expense of other aspects of Christian devotion.
Of all forms of art, music belongs most obviously to the moment, to those who make and hear the music.
There is nothing to hear before it starts or after it is finished; it does not persist in the same form, but must be experienced anew in a different recreation.
Whereas the people listened to a reading from the other Scriptures, the whole congregation could join in singing a psalm, and share publicly with one another their commitment to its message.
13 De utilitate hymnorum 2 14 De Spiritu Sancto 29 More to Follow
9 Niceta had to ask for more attention to the readings - 'Of course, YOU may pray privately whenever and as often as you choose. But do not, under the pretext of prayer, miss the lesson. YOU can always pray whenever YOU will, but you cannot always have a lesson at hand.'
whereas the Psalms drew people's attention and entered their memories:
You WILL remember that Paul COMMANDED that we SPEAK (which excludes music) in order to TEACH and ADMONISH one another: we don't NEED to hire a Sunday morning SCOLDER. He is to TEACH "that which has been taught."
You WILL remember that they PREACHED Moses every Sabbath BEING READ. And that Jesus stood up to READ and then gave an "approved example" at least of common decency and SAT DOWN: the pulpit was to HOLD UP the Bible. And Paul directly commanded Timothy to READ the text and then exhort people to obey what was READ and clarify any universal doctrine. Only expository preaching does not violate that.
10 not through material sacrifice or audible music. At least from the time of Clement of Alexandria it had been common to speak of a spiritual psalmody expressed in good deeds.
Yet while few theologians remained untroubled by certain aspects of music, for the great majority of Christians the troubling power of music could also be directed to good ends, including contemplation and praise of God. [Probably NOT possible]
Augustine notes that even elephants and bears are moved by singing, 22 De Musica 1.4(5)
but he hoped that the highest faculties as well as the lowest could be moved by music. The new Christian music rejected all instruments except the human voice.
Niceta, and all Bible readers, understood that the instruments which made NOISE were all part of the CORPORAL INSTITUTIONS and these had been IMPOSED by divine permission when the ELDERS fired God and hired a king LIKE THE NATIONS. The "civilians" were quarantined FROM the secular animal sacrifices BY the loud noise made by instruments meaning MACHINES meaning DOING WORK in the Service (hard bondage) of the Levitical Warrior Musicians.
The CARNAL ORDINANCES pertained ONLY to the flesh and could not make the conscience pure. De Facto, the Loud NOISE and not music COULD Not have any abiding value. King, kingdom, temple, sacrifices: all added BECAUSE of sin beyond redemption.
According to Niceta, 'Only the corporal institutions have been rejected, like circumcision, the sabbath, sacrifices, discrimination in foods. So, too, the trumpets, harps, cymbals and timbrels.
For the sound of these we now have a better substitute in the music from the mouths of men.'
Niceta's description of instruments as an unnecessary MATERIAL observance,
Audible music is blamed for manipulating people's emotions and persuading them to sin. 'And you are in no way to think this was said about those numbers shameful theatres resound with,'
we are reminded, 'but about those, I believe,
the soul does not receive from the body, but receiving from God on high it rather impresses on the body.'
John Chrysostom warns against 'cymbals, auloi, and songs full of fornication and adultery' at weddings, while
according to Theodoret it was the Egyptians who taught the Israelites
'to sacrifice to idols and demons, to play, to dance, and to take pleasure in musical instruments.
A Christian decision to disapprove of all practical music could have been justified in a relatively straightforward way: no longer was such outward action required to communicate with God; Christians should worship spiritually,
Even the sinful woman at the well could grasp the CLEAR statement of Jesus that worship (paying attention to) is in the PLACE of the SPIRIT once it becomes A holy spirit at baptism. I don't know how you can sink so low that you SELL the notion that you PAY ATTENTION to God when allof the singers and musicians are SUCKING UP all of your attention: and THEY know it.
"The triumphal hymn of Moses had unquestionably a religious character about it; but the employment of music in religious services, though idolatrous, is more distinctly marked in the festivities which attended the erection of the golden calf." (Smith's Bible Dictionary, Music, p. 589).
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...........................THE BOOK
What Happened At the Madison Church of Christ?
There are thousands of churches being taken over across America.
This book is only about one of those churches. It's about the Madison
Church Of Christ. By studying the methods used here along with the resource
references you might be able to inoculate your church. At the very least
you will recognize the signs early on.
Many of the current members of the Madison Church of Christ still don't
know what happened.
Some never will know! This book is for them as well.
Madison Church of Christ was a 60 year old church. At one time it was
one of the largest churches in the US, and the largest Church of Christ.
It thrived for many years on the vision of it's elders and those of
it's ministers. Those visions undoubtably came from the the inspired word
of Jesus Christ.
At sometime in the last 10 years there was a deliberate plan by a majority
of the elders to take the Madison Church of Christ into a more worldly
realm.
They used secrecy, covert planning, and outside sources to scheme and
to change the format and direction of the Madison Church of Christ.
The Elders knew that the membership would never approve such a plan.
Using the tools of the "Community Church Movement"(consultants, books,
seminars, meetings,planters,seeders) they slowly started initiating change
so it was never noticed by the members until it was too late.....
At the heart of the plan was the fact that old members were going to
be driven off so new techniques could be used to go out and reach the unchurched
through new "Contemporary Holy Entertainment" methods developed by the
"Community Church Movement"
Old members had to be kept on board long enough to get their plans ready,
or the funds would not be there to pay for the new building. So by the
plans very nature, it had to be secret.
The church had no plan in effect to renew or approve elders. There was
never any need. The elders had always been "as approved by God". 10 of the last
15 elders would begin to shed some doubt on that.
The Elders did not even need a majority at first, because some of the
elders went along unwittingly.
This edition starts shortly after some of the members begin to smell
something strange in January 2001. Later editions may go back and fill
in some of the timeline.
To even start to understand whats happening here, you must read the
background materials in the first of the book.
This is only the first edition, and not the end. New editions will be
printed as needed. To keep abreast of current changes, please visit our
web site; http://www.concernedmembers.com/madison
Here is the list of players;
5 Godly Elders
10 Not so Godly Elders
120 "Deacons" (allegiance unknown)
2,800 - 4,000 church "members"
2 "teners" (people who have publicly confessed to have broken all ten
commandments)
Unknown number of "sinners" (This is what the 10 elders call us.)
Unknown number of "demons" (Flying everywhere, to many to count)