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January 1 2007 at 12:40 PM
 
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I am still working from audio: Does anyone have a question? Debate is permitted among the laity!

I will be happy to expand on any of the claims or correct any misstatement.

Lots of people are reading and I have asked one of the Christian Church writers whom I have reviewed if the NACC subscribes to the statements Rick has made and many of which have been jointly published in TOGETHER AGAIN by Rick Atchley and Bob Russell. "Does Rick and Bob speak for the organization?" I think both groups need to know.

I believe there is plenty of documentation to prove that the groups were never TOGETHER in the first place other than some meeting jointly when "church" was pretty much as defined by the Campbells "as a School of Christ" and which, as Ketcherside has well documented, had no hirelings to cause trouble. That was repudiated by most "reformers" and those who met in the name of UNION were fractured by professionals who brought in the organ.

The fact is that the ORGANIZATION sent "evangelists" South after the Civil war to "take Tennessee for the Society within five years." The "iffy" fellowship ceased when the goal became clear to "sign up children as life members of the Society and introduce the organ." Only a few of the Tennessee churches were TAKEN OVER by the Society and COULD NOT have been part of the SOCIETY which had their organization up and running before the churches of Christ refused to be INCLUDED in their "preacher count" Can ANYONE in their wildest believe that any of the churches of Christ were ever part of this?




Any reader of history knows that the churches of Christ were not BIRTHED at Cane Ridge and unity consisted of many Stoneite preachers joining the Campbells. There was NO common ground other than agreeing that the Bible should be the rule for faith and practice: that was not new and the CENI principle has been articulated by most who have put pen to paper down through history. So, there was NO unique common bond between the two groups. Many Tennessee Christian Churches had their roots in the Methodists such as O Kelly and they looked ot Asbury for guidance.

I have posted some Stone Campbell data here where they apparently are determined--whatever the discord--to achieve CONFORMITY or CONFIRMATION. Probably neither has any need to become a denomination.


http://www.piney.com/Stone.Campbell.Movement.html

Scholars inside and outside of the RM deny that churches of Christ were ever part of the DISCIPLES based primarily on differences in the way Scripture is used for faith and practices. It was, in fact ONLY the Christian church which LEFT the disciples for the same reason.

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Psalm 41: Prophesied of MUSICAL IDOLATRY as WARFARE.

January 10 2007, 9:32 AM 

It has always been clear that NEITHER the Organic Instrumental preachers or the Mechanicl Instrument preachers will tolerate tampering with traditions. It is a fact which no one can dispute that the direct command to SPEAK that which is WRITTEN one to another uses words which INCLUDE and EXCLUDE and there is NO law of silence used honestly because GOD IS NOT SILENT. The words for SPEAK in both Greek and Latin specificially EXCLUDE poetry and instruments as "tools for doing work," rhythm and they knew almost nothing about the HARMONY of modern truth-suckers. I posted a bit on Preacherfiles which is RESERVED only for those who use GROUP-SPEAK. I tried doing a parallel study of Acts 7 and Amos 5 to prove that Amos was NOT just condemning a BAD MENTAL ATTITUDE. That always gets you spiritually abused and even warned. One honest startle was that Psalm 41 prophesied that Judas would mount the same 'musical' attack which was outlawed for the Qahal or church in the wilderness.

It is one thing to be unaware of the universal connection between music and satan, warriors, prostitutes or Sodomites (by adults) and quite another to sow discord by stating that GOD COMMANDED INSTRUMENTAL PRAISE and warned that WE SHOULD NOT BE DISOBEDIENT.

I made the generally-understood assertion: The Dead Sea Scroll translation of Psalm 41 shows that the son of light would be treated as Beliar or Beelzebul so that they could do WAR against Him with musical instruments to panic Him into failure. That is the meaning of MOCKING Jesus just like the PLAY at Mount Sinai which was the musical idolatry of the Egyptian triad under Apis the bull.

D'Angelo Joyce: Once again I have no idea what Judas triumphing over Jesus has to do with anything. And can you please give proof of your Psalm 41 comment.

Let't tippy toe into this because NOBUDY will understand that BLUE stuff with book, chapter and verse thingies? I will toss it out and the disciples will do the hard work to try to grasp it. That is why we need to SPEAK or recite Psalm 22 so that we can be TAUGHT why Jesus POINTED to it when He spoke of God "forsaking Him." Wouldn't that be better than turning our boys into women using Fanny Crosby's SCRIPTURE?

Mine enemies speak evil of me, When shall he die, and his name perish? Psalm 41: 5
    In Psalm 22 which also prophesied a musical attack on Jesus: and you are supposed ot SPEAK it at church.

    But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people. Psa 22:6
    All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying, Psa 22:7


    Now, Jesus died to remove the laded burden of "spiritual anxiety created by religious ritual" along with the burden LADERS: Paul outlawed "creating mental excitement" which parses to arousal singing because of the REPROACH it usually brought on:

    H2781 cherpâh kher-paw' From H2778 ; contumely, disgrace, the PUDENDA--rebuke, reproach (-fully), shame.
    H2778 châraph khaw-raf' A primitive root; to pull off, that is, (by implication) to expose (as by stripping);


    This word connects closely to CHARISMATIC which always included Sodomy. Charis in an erotic sense: "giving pleasure to a man" where Charis is the pagan GRACE.

    If the Spirit OF Christ PREDICTED just that, and Paul said that Jesus was REPROACHED rather than bow to Baal, how is it HERESY to suggest that it MIGHT have really happened? Now, over here with the mature Christians we can say PUDENDA (pudenda, pudenda, pudenda). Laughing to scorn is like the PLAY or MOCKERY which they did at Mount Sinai and during David's Naked Dance:

    Leag (g3932) law-ag'; a prim. root; to deride; by impl. (as if imitating a foreigner) to speak unintelligibly: - have in derision, laugh (to scorn), mock (on), stammering.
    Laeg (g3934) law-ayg'; from 3932; a buffoon; also a foreigner: - mocker, stammering.

    He trusted on the Lord that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him. Psa 22:8
And if he come to see me, he speaketh vanity: his heart gathereth iniquity to itself; when he goeth abroad, he telleth it. Psalm 41: 6

All that hate me whisper together against me: against me do they devise my hurt. Psa 41:7
An evil disease, say they, cleaveth fast unto him: and now that he lieth he shall rise up no more. Psalm 41: 8

Paul equated singing from one's OWN spirit and instruments to SPEAKING IN TONGUES. Evil disease a thing of belial {belial=satan}
Yea, mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, which did eat of my bread, hath lifted up his heel against me. Psalm 41: 9
But thou, O Lord, be merciful unto me, and raise me up, that I may requite them. Psalm 41: 10

By this I know that thou favourest me, because mine enemy doth not TRIUMPH over me. Psalm 41: 11

What does it mean to TRIUMPH OVER someone?

The CHURCH IN THE WILDERNESS was the Qahal or synagogue or ekklesia in the Greek version.

The assembly or church was for instruction and not for "worship." The synagagoe always existed for the "people's congregation." The temple was a NATIONAL temple and therefore given over to "worship like the nations." God had abandoned the Jews to worship the starry host because of their musical idolatry at Mount Sinai.

The Jewish clergy as "musical children" did play their pipes and tried to force John and Jesus into their dance of ecstasy in violation of God's will:
    But when the congregation is to be gathered together, ye shall blow, but ye shall not sound an alarm. Nu 10:7

    The two silver trumpets were commanded to GIVE SIGNALS to break camp or signal MILITARY MOVEMENTS. They could be blown like a CHURCH BELL to gather groups to HEAR the Word ONLY:

    Music Outlawed for the Synagogue or Church in the Wilderness:
    Ruwa (h7321) roo-ah'; a prim. root; to MAR (espec. by breaking); fig. to split the ears with sound, i. e. shout (for alarm or joy): - blow an alarm, cry (alarm, aloud, out), destroy,make a joyful noise, smart, shout for joy, sound an alarm, triumph.

      BASE MEANING: Ruwph (h7322) roof; a prim. root; prop. to TRITURATE (in a mortar), i. e. (fig.) to AGITATE (by PERconcussion): tremble.

    Rejoicing AND Melody are INTERNAL: in the heart which is a PLACE.
    G5567 psallo psal'-lo Probably strengthened from psao (to rub or touch the surface; compare G5597 ); to twitch or twang, that is, to play on a stringed instrument (celebrate the divine worship with music and accompanying odes):--make melody, sing (psalms).

      Has the same BASIC intent as in shooting a bow to AMBUSH you
      G5597 pscho pso'-kho Prolongation from the same base as G5567 ; to TRITURATE, that is, (by analogy) to rub out (kernels from husks with the fingers or hand): rub.

    Triumph over in Greek is:
    Thriambeuo (h2358) three-am-byoo'-o; from a prol. comp. of the base of 2360 and a der. of 680 (mean. a noisy iambus, sung in honor of Bacchus); to make an acclamatory procession, i.e. (fig.) to conquer or (by Hebr.) to give victory: - cause to triumph over.
A BIBLE EXAMPLE: Instrumental Psalms are known as WAR CHANTS or parade hymns: they were used in the CIVIL sacrificial system but the PEOPLE gathered in synagogues--yea, even in the wilderness.

2 Chron 20:21 And when he had consulted with the people, he appointed singers unto the Lord, and that should praise the beauty of holiness, as they went out before the army, and to say, Praise the Lord; for his mercy endureth for ever.
    The PRAISE WORD is a WAR WORD: H1984 hâlal haw-lal' ; hence to make a show; to boast; and thus to be CLAMOROUSLYfoolish; to rave; to stultify: (make) boast (self), be (make, feign self) mad (against), give in marriage, [sing, be worthy of] praise, rage, renowned, shine

    Rinnah (h7440) rin-naw'; from 7442; prop. a creaking (or shrill sound), i. e. shout (of joy or grief): - cry, gladness, joy, proclamation, rejoicing, shouting, sing (-ing), triumph.

And when they began to sing and to praise, the Lord set AMBUSHMENTS [Arab] against the children of Ammon, Moab, and mount Seir, which were come against Judah; and they were smitten. 2 Chron 20: 22
    Rinnah (h7440) rin-naw'; from 7442; prop. a creaking (or shrill sound), i. e. shout (of joy or grief): - cry, gladness, joy, proclamation, rejoicing, shouting, sing (-ing), TRIUMPH.

    Ranah (h7439) raw-naw'; a prim. root; to whiz: - rattle.
    He mocketh [PLAY] at fear, and is not affrighted; neither turneth he back from the sword Job 39:22
    The quiver rattleth against him, the glittering spear and the shield. Job 39:23

THE HISTORICAL RECORD The signals are given in detail in documents of the the Dead Sea Scrolls. For instance: In Battle
"The priests shall blow the trumpets of MASSACRE,
and the Levites and all the blowers of the ram's horn shall sound a battle ALARM
and the foot soldiers shall stretch out their hands against the host...
and at the sound of the ALARM they shall begin to bring down the slain.
All the people shall cease their CLAMOR
but the priests shall continue to blow the trumpets of massacre." - War Scroll
"And on the banner of the ten they shall write, "Songs of joy for God on the ten-stringed harp,"
and the name of the chief of the ten and the names of the nine men in his command."


By definition of the singing and music words, singing IS alarming and that is what you "feel" and it is not the Spirit of Christ inside. All kinds of elevated pitch in the sing-song fashion ESPECIALLY when you pretend to be evoking a god or leading them into the PRESENCE of God creates the panic of "spiritual anxiety" Jesus died to remove by firing the doctors of the Law who TAKE AWAY THE KEY TO KNOWLEDGE and the self-pleasure Paul OUTLAWS for the ekklesia, synagogue or school of Christ. John calls both singing and music SORCERY because it uses external means to MANIPULATE the mind of people and if you get PAID for it Paul calls it CORRUPTING the Word which means "selling knowledge at retail.>

WHAT THEY TRIED ON JESUS;

But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows,
And saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented. Mt.11:17 Mt 11:16


The AGORA was where the performance preachers, singers, musicians, radish salesmen and harp pluckers plied their TRADE seeking youth whom they might devour. The PSALLO word defines the WET RED PAINTED ROPE they used to HUSTLE the people from the marketplace to the EKKLESIA which allowed ONLY speaking something needed by the citizens. Modern religionism with NO connection to the ekklesia, synagogue or the Campbell's "school of Christ" MERGES the polluted marketplace with the school where Jesus Christ meets so we can "LEARN OF ME." The New Testament church got waylaid about the year 360-400. And NO ONE cannot dispute it.

Mourned is:

Threneo (g2354) thray-neh'-o; from 2355; to bewail: - lament, mourn.
Throeo (g2360) thro-eh'-o; from threomai , (to wail); to CLAMOR, i.e. (by impl.) to FRIGHTEN: - trouble


And this had the same purpose as:

Thriambeuo (h2358) three-am-byoo'-o; from a prol. comp. of the base of 2360 and a der. of 680 (mean. a noisy iambus, sung in honor of Bacchus); to make an acclamatory procession, i.e. (fig.) to conquer or (by Hebr.) to give victory: - cause to triumph over.

Apollo (Apollyon) was called Phobus and the DRIVEN PURPOSE was to create Holy Fear to fleece the lambs. Paul warned about this:

klang-ê, : ( [klazô] ):--any sharp sound, e.g. twang of the bow scream of birds, esp. cranes,
to which are compared confused cries of a throng,
grunting of swine,
howling of wolves and lions, h.Hom.14.4, cf. 27.8;
hissing of serpents,
baying of dogs, X.C yn.4.5, etc.; [the homosexual Cynics]
also, of musical instruments, of Cassandra's prophecies,
of the scream of the Harpies

Klazô of dogs, bark,
Pan and his pipes, as of arrows in the quiver, clash, rattle, phobon ring forth terror,
of the musician, kitharai, of Pan on his pipes, [Phobus name of Apollo or Apollyon; Pan is the BEAST with his Pan Pipes to create PANic]
klazeis melisma luras (of the tettix) [The Locusts or Muses of Apollyon]
epiNIKIA klazôn sounding loudly the song of victory in honour of Zeus


This is the meaning of the NIKE LAITY or victory of the clergy over the "paying audience." The HORNS of the BEAST are musical.

toxeuô
I. to shoot with the bow, to aim, to use the bow, having shot too high, of the sOPHISts whare the OPIS or serpents in Revelation
II. c. acc. to shoot or hit with an arrow, struck by an arrow,


Or for the STRAIGHT and PEACEABLE people:

2. to shoot from a bow: METAPHOR to discharge, send forth, humnous, hath shot these arrows in vain.P. Vergilius Maro, Aeneid

Contemporaneous scholars insist that sodomy was the sin in the garden because Lucifer (Zoe, Inanna, etc., etc.) was bisexual. The belief that the TRIUMPH OVER or ALARM included sodomy was because that was part of the BOAST SONGS intending to get the enemy to FLEE. The PIPERS brought on the LAMENTS because the INITIATION well-documented hurt real bad. The Jews, history notes, worshipped Dionysus as the Abomination of Desolation. While most Israelites fled in horrows, the ARABS or Kenites or Cainites were brought in to serve their Roman and other masters. I will post more from the Dead Sea Scrolls which explains that God supplies the PRAISES and our harps and incense is the fruit of the lips in singing HIS songs and preaching HIS sermons when we "teach that which has been taught." Otherwise, Peter says it is the MARK of a false teacher and Jesus marks them as sons of the Devil because THEY SPEAK ON THEIR OWN.

 
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Psalm 41: musical MOCKING Jesus part TWO.

January 10 2007, 3:38 PM 

Again: in Psalm 41 when it was prophesied that Judas WOULD NOT triumph over Jesus we have noted that this is the word which outlaws loud noise and "rejoicing before the Lord" because this was NOT worship but boasting to try to turn the enemy into cowards: it has worked almost completely in the last few decades. No one can dispute the fact that if words have meaning in Greek and Latin the word SPEAK is specificially defined to EXCLUDE poetry which excluded instruments, rhthym or ANY musical concept.

See Augustine on Psalm 41:

http://www.piney.com/MuAugPsa41.html

This is the SAME TRIUMPH OVER which was OUTLAWED for the Qahal or synagogue or church in the wilderness. No schoolboy was so spiritually ABUSED that he didn't know to come before God with reverence and Godly fear. Probably most Jews have not fallen into the level of apostasy as the "musical" churches whom Jesus would identify as abused childen.

The Judas Bag has only ONE MEANING in the Greek literature and we have many vase paintings. The Judas Bag was for "carrying the mouth pieces of wind instruments" and is derived from a word meaning 'SPEAKING IN UNKNOWN TOUNGS" which was always to MOCK people. Secondly, the word means OF THE WORLD and identifies the Komos or musical comedy ritual. This buffoonery (worship service) was prophesied to happen to Jesus:

Leag (g3932) law-ag'; a prim. root; to deride; by impl. (as if imitating a foreigner) to speak unintelligibly: - have in derision, laugh (to scorn), mock (on), stammering.
Laeg (g3934) law-ayg'; from 3932; a buffoon; also a foreigner: - mocker, stammering.


The Judas bag (not a purse) was ALWAYS attached to a FLUTE CASE and the singing, pipe-playing males were drunk perverts.

I have said, and you can mock, that MOST religionists with or without instruments are HIGHLY FOCUSED on silencing the Word of Jesus Christ (Spirit) as the RESOURCE for song and sermon. They have ALSO conspired (subconsiously or unconsiously) to DESTROY the method of "speaking the ORACLE" of God where SPEAK specificially EXCLUDES both poetry and musical instruments: instruments are MACHINES like weapons for DOING HARD WORK or for SHOCK AND AWE. How COULD that happen? How could there be so many BOAST SONGS about being the New Testament Church when the rise of INSTITUTES to steal food out of the mouths of the DESTITUTE and probably the most SKILLED in taking the "water of the Word" out of the mouth of people by conspiring to destroy the GOD-GIVEN RESOURCE and the GOD-INSTITUTED METHOD of presenting it.

Here is what Psalm 41 and the Dead Sea Scrolls which contained text one to two hundred years old:

The Thanksgiving Hymns (1QH) from the Dead Sea Scrolls interprets Psalm 41:

DSS:
And they, teachers of lies and seers of falsehood,
have schemed against me a DEVILISH scheme,
to exchange the Law engraved on my heart by Thee
for the SMOOTH things which they speak to Thy people.


WHAT JEREMIAH SAID AND THE PREACHERS HAVE HIDDEN FROM YOU: Noting that those who lie about EVERY musical concept in the Bible and recorded history all CLAIM to have had a VISION, can now hear the AUDIBLE VOICE OF GOD or who claim that the Holy Spirit 'person' has guided a whole body of WOLVES to say that what GOD said has now been OBSOLETED:

I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in my name, saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed. Jer 23:25
How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart; Jer 23: 26
Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams, which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal. Jer 23: 27

The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell (celebrate) a dream; and he that hath my word (dabar), let him speak my word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the Lord. Jer 23: 28
Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces? Jer 23: 29
Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the Lord, that steal my words every one from his neighbour. Jer 23: 30
Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the Lord, that use their tongues, and say, He saith. Jer 23: 31


When people lie about God and TO God in order to find "a place in the mainstream" for musical friends, I JUST DON'T see how this is NOT a collective (thousands) BLASPHEMY OF THE Holy Spirit which is the Spirit OF Christ.

Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the Lord, and do tell (celebrate) them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness (frivolity) ; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the Lord. Jer 23:32
And when this people, or the prophet, or a priest, shall ask thee, saying, What is the burden (singing) of the Lord? thou shalt then say unto them, What burden? I will even forsake you, saith the Lord. Jer 23: 33
And as for the prophet, and the priest, and the people, that shall say, [My words are] The burden [SONG] of the Lord, I will even punish that man and his HOUSE. Jer 23: 34

Thus shall ye say every one to his neighbour, and every one to his brother, What hath the Lord answered? and, What hath the Lord spoken? Jer 23: 35
And the burden (song) of the Lord shall ye mention no more; for every mans word shall be his burden (song):
for ye have perverted the words of the living God, of the Lord of hosts our God. Jer 23: 36
Thus shalt thou say to the prophet,
What hath the Lord answered thee?
and, What hath the Lord spoken?
Jer 23: 37


Jesus said that the GENETIC sons of the DEVIL "speak on their own." Peter spoke of the crooked or SKOLIOS generation which we identify as the perverted males singing, playing and getting drunk out of NEW WINESKINS. Both Amos and Isaiah -- WHICH THE PREACHERS LIE ABOUT -- show that the "wine, women and song" worship which was the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai caused the people to hunger and thirst for the WORD. They would wander from Sea to Sea and NOT be able to find it: no one found it last Sunday in the INSTITUTES where Peter identified PROSTITUTES as those who "sell learning at retail." And like the Pharisees, they have to CHANGE the Word to make it SELL.

For the VILE person will speak villany, and his heart will work iniquity,
to practise hypocrisy, [Jesus said they were speakers, singers and musicians]
and to utter error AGAINST the Lord,
to make empty the soul of the hungry,
and he will cause the drink of the thirsty to fail. Isaiah 32:6


False teachers who claim to hear directly from God when Jesus said NO ONE hears from the Father but through the Son are NOT accidental false teachers: they have AN AGENDA to force you to FEED THEIR FACE while they mock you and TAKE AWAY THE KEY TO KNOWLEDGE--as as Jesus warned you so that you CANNOT excape the collective guilt of BLASPHEMING.

VILE is related to: Nebel (h5034) neh'-bel; or nebel nay'-bel; from 5034; a skin- bag for liquids (from collapsing when empty); hence a vase (as similar in shape when full); also a lyre (as having a body of like form): - bottle, pitcher, psaltery, vessel, viol

The Pharisee DELIBERATELY changed the Word to PREVENT the Words of God from being taught: he is MARKED by telling widows that there is a LAW OF GIVING. He INTENDS to make people four-fold more sons hof hell.

The instruments [sword or psaltery) also of the churl (withholding instructions) are evil (afflicting): he deviseth wicked devices to destroy the poor with lying (sham) words, even when the needy speaketh right. Isaiah 32:7

Instruments: Keliy (h3627) kel-ee'; from 3615; something prepared, i. e. any apparatus (as an implement, utensil, dress, vessel or weapon): - armour ([-bearee]), artillery, bag, carriage, / furnish, furniture, instrument, jewel, that is made of, one from another, that which pertaineth, pot, / psaltery, sack, stuff, thing, tool, vessel, ware, weapon, / whatsoever.

DSS: And they withhold from the thirst the drink of Knowledge, (Amos 5, 6, 8, Isa 5) and assuage their thirst with vinegar,that they may gaze on their straying, on their folly concerning their feast-days (Jubilee, Feast of Tabernacles) on their fall into their snares.

Here is how they WITHHOLD the Word and LIE about all of the warnings

That chant to the sound of the viol, and invent to themselves instruments of musick, like David; Amos 6:5

Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water,
but of hearing the words of the Lord:Am.8:11

And the harp, and the viol, the tabret, and pipe, and wine, are in their feasts:
but they regard not the work of the Lord, neither consider the operation of his hands. Is.5:12

They gave me also gall for my meat; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar (fermented or sour) to drink. Psalm 69:21
    Gall: Rosh (h7219) roshe; or rowsh (Deut. 32:32), roshe; appar. the same as 7218; a poisonous plant, prob. the poppy (from its conspicuous head); gen. poison (even of serpents): - gall, hemlock, poison, venom
For their vine is of the vine of Sodom, and of the fields of Gomorrah: their grapes are grapes of gall, their clusters are bitter: De.32:32
Woe unto him that giveth his neighbour drink, that puttest thy bottle to him, and makest him drunken also, that thou mayest look on their nakedness Hab.2:15
Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits: Is.30:10
Behold, is it not of the Lord of hosts that the people shall labour in the very fire, and the people shall weary themselves for very vanity? Hab 2:13
For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea. Hab 2:14

Woe unto him that giveth his neighbour drink, that puttest thy bottle [WINESKIN] to him, and makest him drunken also, that thou mayest look on their nakedness Hab.2:15

Thou art filled with shame for glory: drink thou also, and let thy foreskin be uncovered: the cup of the Lords right hand shall be turned unto thee, and shameful spewing [disgrace; (by implication) the pudenda] shall be on thy glory. Hab 2:16
    Woe unto him that saith to the wood, Awake; to the dumb stone, Arise, it shall teach! Behold, it is laid over with gold and silver, and there is no breath at all in the midst of it. Hab 2:19)

    But the LORD is in his holy temple: let all the earth keep silence before him. Hab 2:20
David had to AWAKEN his LYRE before he could awaken the Dawn. Now, we know that poems tend to be poetic but the people who could not READ very well had a different view.
    We even have a mention at a later date of a similar custom in connection with the cult in Jerusalem, where certain Levites, called me'oreim, 'arousers," sang every morning this verse from Ps 44: 'Awake, Lord, awake! Do not abandon us for ever." The Talmud tells us that Johy Hyrcanus suppressed the practice because it recalled too readily a pagan custom. <>A similar practice is attested in connection with the cult of Herakles-Melkart.

    According to Menander, as he is quoted by Josephus, the king Hiram, who was a contemporary of Solomon, rebuilt the temples of Tyre and, 'he was the first to celebrate the awakening of Heracles in the month of Peritius." In an inscription from Cyprus, in one from Rhodes and in several from around the district of Carthage, there are references to important personages who bear the title Mqm"lm which we can translate as 'arouser of the god." (de Vaux, p. 247).

The titles of the Temple servant were CANAANITE titles: that is because God TURNED THEM OVER to worship the starry host. It was NOT a legalistic PATTERN for either A Capella (A castrado) or Mechanical violaters of the direct command to SPEAK.

Jesus put WORSHIP in the place of the human SPIRIT devoted totally--as Paul agrees--to giving heed to the WORD of God which IS Spirit and Life.
Paul said that the converted Jews worshipped IN THE SPIRIT which is a PLACE as opposed to the FLESH because you CANNOT worship with the works of human hands or human talent.

Paul said that was BECAUSE "outside there would be the CONCISION and DOGS which were the CYNICS who had a special way of singing to ATTRACT others to expose their foreskin: Wineskin to Foreskin in one giant leap was the UNIVERSAL meaning of music among the perverted.

AGAIN: THE HISTORICAL RECORD The signals are given in detail in documents of the the Dead Sea Scrolls. For instance: In Battle
"The priests shall blow the trumpets of MASSACRE,
and the Levites and all the blowers of the ram's horn shall sound a battle ALARM
and the foot soldiers shall stretch out their hands against the host...
and at the sound of the ALARM they shall begin to bring down the slain.
All the people shall cease their CLAMOR
but the priests shall continue to blow the trumpets of massacre." - War Scroll
"And on the banner of the ten they shall write, "Songs of joy for God on the ten-stringed harp,"
and the name of the chief of the ten and the names of the nine men in his command."


That is why SINGING which violated the DIRECT COMMAND TO SPEAK (as with adults) created an early WORSHIP WAR. When they added "scripture" composed by humans, THAT cause a worship war. When human hyms were introduced in the Restoration Movement they were called IDOLS.

That is why the EXPLICIT WORDS exclude any LYRIC or metrical or poetic speaking in the SCHOOL OF THE BIBLE because that REPUDIATES the spirit OF Christ who wrote the songs and sermons and all Scripture warns that whatever comes out of SELF is the product of the Devil because no DISCIPLE would try to rewrite the Physics Laws and handbooks.

In the prophecy, when Jesus has defeated His enemies THEN He will praise God with the PIPES of his LIPS and the Harps of God.

 
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The Bacchae: Patternism for Mother of Harlots worship.

January 13 2007, 11:59 AM 

The Egyptian, Greek and early Hebrew falls into idolatry are defined in many ways in the various languages. However, the musical performers always worshipped the Mother of Harlots (Rev 17) and the singers, musicians and ALL religious operatives are identified as SORCERERS who had and would deceive the whole world. I have posted some Euripides who along with much of the classics inform Paul and John and defines the ALWAYS but especially the end-time Mother of Harlots where MUSIC is the "sound of God repaying all of his enemies" and beating them into Hell with the wind, string and percussion instruments Lucifer brought into the Garden of Eden.

Isaiah 30 makes it clear that Hell was prepared EXCLUSIVELY for Lucifer the "singing and harp playing prostitute", for all she could seduce with music and for thieves and liars. History makes it certain that poetry and music is defacto lying expecially when it "tampers with the word of God" in order to CORRUPT the word by which Peter meant "sell learning at retail."

http://www.piney.com/DocEuripBacc.html

I have added one of the ALWAYS facts that MUSIC induces madness which is OPPOSITE to speaking to the mind or spirit. Music is likewise defined as OPPOSITE an appeal to the MIND or SPIRIT. You may not be able to find a church which has not slithered down that slope at some level.

I don't reveal 2-mails and I would appreciate more comments: good, bad and ugly.

 
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