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25 theses - Martin Luther

January 7 2007 at 9:12 PM
chris 
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I noticed the "25 thesese posted to ..." headline on this page and couldn't help making the association with Martin Luther. Funny all this concern over music (insturments or not) and using the Martin Luther connection. Seems to me that he was a musician. Actually wrote many of the hymns sung and played in many churches today. He was a main leader of the reformation that really brought the relationship back to the flock instead of just the law. Seems to me like those here such as Ken are so tied by law that they fail to see that Christ is love. Pure love. For those who are underserving. He died for them. He lived and taught among them. Ken, I love ya brother, but I tend to agree with many here that think that you might make a bigger difference if you were able to speak out of love instead of judgement and condemnation. The law is the law. I am not saying that it is not to be broken, or disregarded. But I know this... redemption is possible with confession, repentance and absolution by the triune God.

My God is all powerful. There is nothing in or of this earth that my God can not use to His glory.... even my drum set.

 
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69.19.14.39

Drum derived from TOPHET: the name for HELL

January 8 2007, 9:27 PM 

I will have to check but I don't think Luther intended his "poems" to replace the commanded Text. Furthermore, you should be advised that even simple SINGING was not added until about the year 360-373 because it is EXCLUDED by all of the deinitions of SPEAK.

In his Table Talks Luther said, "The notes bring the text to life," (Luther, Martin. Tischreden. No. 2545. Quoted in F. Blume et al., Protestant Church Music (New York: W.W. Norton and Company, Inc., 1974) and elsewhere he stated: "After all, the gift of language combined with the gift of song was only given to man to let him know that he should praise God with both word and music, namely, by proclaiming [the Word of God] through music." (Martin Luther in the Preface to Georg Rhaus "Symphoniae Lucundae." Luther's Works, LIII).

This means that hymn singing is preaching, a return of God's Word to the people!
    Luther, then,
    restored singing to the church as preaching,
    the speaking "to one another with psalms and hymns and spiritual songs" (Eph. 5:19)
    so that "the Word of Christ [might] richly dwell" in them (Col. 3:16).
Because the hymn was regarded as a proedicatio sonora -- a resounding sermon, it was placed "on the same level as the proclamation and prayers of the pastor." (Schalk, C., ed. Key Words in Church Music (St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1978)

Consequently, the Reformation accorded congregational song an autonomous place in the liturgy.
It was not simply regarded as the people's answer to the sermon, but instead stood side by side with the sermon, albeit in sequential order. (Blankenburg. W. "Der Gottdienstliche Liedgesang der Geineinde," in Leiturgia (Kassel: Johannes Stauda-Verlag. 1961)).

The Word of God could become the Living Word only when it was preached, and only then could it awaken faith.
    Since music (the notes) "make the text live," God preached the Gospel also through music.
    Both music and theology then are "bearers and interpreters of the Word of God, being living voices of the Gospel."
Your drums are a MACHINE or ORGANON which defines ERGON or WORKS. All musical instruments are ORGANONS in tended to do the WORK of driving people into what Paul callled MADNESS and pretending that it is the spirit because the "spirits' never speak to the prophetesses unless they are driven MAD or charismatic. Now, males never DID that, we are told, unless they were DRUNK or gender-confused. All churchy hymns (violating direct commands) are well documented by musical historians as being highly driven by VOODOO. Now, the African drummer made a LIFELESS INSTRUMENT by using the hide of an animal which DIED OF ITSELF. He kept it in a shrine and BAPTIZED it like the Catholics did their Bells and Organs.

Whe "the Lord is in His Holy Temple, let ALL the earth keep silent before him."

Paul said that if you approach God without REVERENCE or GODLY FEAR you gotta problem because STILL
GOD IS A CONSUMING FIRE

Now the drum (tabret) gave its name to TOPHETH which is HELL JUST OUTSIDE JERUSALEM and God BEATS people into hell using DRUMS and wind and string instruments. The ONLY reason God prepared Hell according to Isaiah 30 is for Lucifer or Zoe who taught people to IGNORE the Word of God using music and ALL she could seduce. Of course, that includes liars and the literate world knew that poets and musicians LIED and therefore they called them PARASITES.

 
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64.43.232.10

Can God use pornography and drug abuse to His glory?

January 10 2007, 10:07 AM 

Can God use pornography and illegal drugs to His glory?
You've got to remember He gave us the Bible for a reason.
If we could just do whatever feels right, then why do we
need the Bible? Why not just have a thin book that consists
entirely of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and maybe the first
two chapters of Acts?

 
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Mark Waggoner

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Re: 25 theses - Martin Luther

January 11 2007, 6:30 AM 

Martin Luther – “The instrument in worship is an ensign of Baal.”

 
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