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RHCC Alive and Praising

March 8 2007 at 1:34 PM
Chris 
from IP address 65.183.61.38

RHCC is alive and praising the Lord! The new Saturday night service is such a deep worshipful experience. Anyone who hasn't attended a Saturday evening service and lives in the DFW Metroplex, is encouraged to come and praise the Lord with us. The Lord is being praised and lifted up in a powerful way. Praise the Lord, we are moving forward and out of bondage that many denominations keep God's people in. We are free to worship him in this exciting way.

I praise God for giving us such strong leaders as the ministers and elders who realize that we are going into new territory, but not afraid to step out and say it's okay, there isn't any conflict here. They are making bold moves and it will help bring many of the lost into His church. Attendance is on the increase as we reach out into the community to bring the Good News to them.

Praise the name of the Lord with me! It's okay to have church service on Saturday and it's okay to praise Him with instruments. We just need to praise Him!

 
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69.19.14.39

Christ: THE sign of the END TIME Sorcerers UNDER the Mother of Harlots!

March 8 2007, 9:38 PM 

Praise you Chris: you are as powerful as God who said that HE could lift Himself UP. How does it feel to know that you REST on as your foundation lying about God and lying TO God? I assure you that as Locusts you are fulfilling Revelation and SORTING out and collecting those MARKED by that of Cain: A MUSICAL NOTE. As I read Revelation the SORTING works by chasing off the tiny remnant so that YOU are all collected for easy LEFT BEHIND. The larger the crowd the LOUDER you will sceeech and scream. However, I THINK that the GROWTH isn't happening except on Saturday when wrestling is not on anyway. Why don't you CHART the growth and prove that you are an EXCEPTION. I will watch.

Now will I rise, saith the Lord; now will I be exalted; now will I lift up myself. Isa 33:10

Now, back up: you are TAKEN CAPTIVE and never hear the CONTEXT and quite readily BELIEVE and EXULT in the lies which lets you TRIUMPH OVER Jesus Christ in the same FULFILMENT as that of JUDAS. He had to go hang himself when Jesus hand ground him the SOP as a MARK for Satan to ENTER HIM: Sop has the same root meaning as PSALLO. So, you have been fed the SOP of Jesus sent as a STRONG DELUSION by a STRONG DELUDER. That is the MARK that the spirit is the spirit OF Satan. The sons of the devil SPEAK ON THEIR OWN and sing on their own as that CROOKEKD GENERATION. The SPIRIT is your own BREATH which God has turned on you to BURN YOU UP eternally.

At the noise [spark, thunder, bleating] of the tumult [crowd, rumbling] the people fled;
at the lifting up of thyself the nations were scattered. Isa 33:3

And your SPOIL shall be gathered like the gathering of the caterpiller: as the running to and fro of locusts [Muses Re 18:22] shall he run upon them. Isa 33:4


If any fool couldn't figure it out, YOU are lifting YOURSELF up (outlawed by Paul) and because you do not do your LIFTING with justice and righteousness THAT means that you CANNOT be a part of the exalting of THE LORD but are engaged in the Lucifer (Zoe) principle of bleeding OFF worship for yourself. Hey! We all know that people who do that girly thing in the Holy Place are just LYING about lifting up God Who is MUCH TOO HEAVY to BLOW UP with wind instruments.

HOW IS THE LORD LIFTED UP? This speaks of the seven spirits of KNOWLEDGE to rest on Jesus and NOT some little fairie who whispers sweet nothings into preacher's ears.

The LORD is exalted, for he dwells on high; he will fill Zion with justice and righteousness. Isaiah 33:5

He will be the sure foundation for your times,
a rich store of salvation
and wisdom and knowledge;
the fear of the LORD is the KEY to this treasure Isaiah 33:6

Behold, their valiant ones shall cry without: the ambassadors of peace shall weep bitterly. Isa 33:7


So, you see that it is GOD who scatters those who AFFLICT people with lies, collection plates and music which AFFLICTS. You guys REALLY had nothing to do with it!

The highways lie waste, the wayfaring man ceaseth: he hath BROKEN the covenant, he hath despised the cities, he regardeth no man. Isa 33:8

The earth mourneth and languisheth: Lebanon is ashamed and hewn down: Sharon is like a wilderness; and Bashan and Carmel shake off their fruits. Isa 33:9

Ye shall conceive chaff, ye shall bring forth stubble: YOUR breath [spirit], as fire, shall DEVOUR you. Isa 33:11

When you PERFORM on the Sabbath you are engaged in the worship of the STARS (you) just like the Jews you lie about. YOU are now fulfilling Isaiah 30 and HE is BEATING you into hell with Wind, String and Percussion instruments. God uses YOUR OWN breath to burn up UP and burn you OUT. When the ACU guy wants to call down holy fire I really thought that the prayer would be answered. Zoe also called it down.

That is the meaning of the Locusts or musical performers or SORCERERS who TAKE CAPTIVE those with the Musical Mark of Cain and begin to beat the HELL INTO THEM.

That means that you GET PREGNANT on chaff and GIVE BIRTH to stubble. That means that you are UNDER (inferior position) of the Mother of harlots and your speakers, singers and musicians are SORCERERS. In the story of Circe (church in Texas) once she had returned them to the BEAST stage she FED them on hand-kneeded DUNG pattycake SERMONS.I LOVE TO SEE THINGS OF BIBLICAL PROPORTION IN MY OWN LIFE.

And the PEOPLE shall be as the burnings of lime: as thorns cut up shall they be burned in the fire. Isa 33:12
Hear, ye that are far off, what I have done; and, ye that are near, acknowledge my might. Isa 33:13


Contrary to the SUPERIOR POSITION all of history knows that when you fall into MUSICAL IDOLATRY it is the SIGN or MARK identified in The Book of Enoch and Jude,the WHINING and WAILING and BLOWING THE EAST END WIND FROM YOUR BELLY,is a sign of UNMITIGATED FEAR AND HORROR for what you KNOW is coming. Satan used the YOUTH and perverted in the book of Enoch and when the faitlful fell THEY COULD NEVER GET BACK UP. So, the SONGS in the temple have become HOWINGS and God "has been here and said I WILL NOT PASS THIS WAY AGAIN."

SURE, go ahead and laugh but it will be the pitiful wail of TOO LATE, TOO LOST. Boasting is always a sign of the INFERIOR POSITION. The Mother has you down for the COUNT. So, eat, drink and make Harry.

The sinners in Zion are AFRAID; fearfulness hath surprised the HYPOCRITES Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings? Isa 33:14

Chaneph soiled with sin, corrupt, defiled, polluted, profane. Jesus also identified the POLLUTED rhetoricians, singers and musicians as HYPOCRITES: all actors are hypocrites.
If we can SEE you or HEAR you or SMELL you then the worship is NOT in the Most Holy Place where musicians would be executed BUT it is in the TRAMPLING OF THE COURTS OF THE GENTILES. The singers and musicians outside of the sacrificial court were prostitutes and Sodomites. God does NOT count you:
    Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
For both prophet and priest are profane; yea, in my house have I found their wickedness, saith the Lord Je.23:11
And such as
do wickedly against the covenant
shall he corrupt by FLATTERIES
:
but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits. Da.11:32

When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion,
and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof

by the spirit of judgment, and
by the spirit of burning.
Is.4:4


I also REJOICE with you Christ. I could never quite grasp it but when we SEE THE SIGNS God gives us permission to rejoice and HISS and clapp you on your way. I am EXTREMLY grateful that God has permitted me to SEE HIS JUDGMENT being poured out to the BEAT of wind, string and percussion instruments. My prophet's skills were wrong: by this time I expected that we would be set up so that I could see Jesus who asks: "Shall He find faith when He returns?" No, almost none. Your GLOATING is exactly what The book of Enoch prophecies when God probably HAS COME with his hosts to EXECUTE judgment right before our watching eyes.

I think you will not WHOLLY SEDUCE many from among churches of Christ who have grown up with literate and ethical preaching and teaching. That seems like an ENDORSEMENT of faithful obedience which peole lie and call TRADITIONS.

Isaiah goes on to prophesy that there will be NOT be troubled by terrorists, scribers, receivers of the shekel, counters of towers or PODIUMS (high places)

PRAISE SINGING always meant the legalism of HELPING LIFT UP GOD so that he does not fail--again. The Aztecs collected the masses and the VICTIM got magical musical instruments and at least four girls. Then at the JUBILEE he had his heart cut out and and a FIRE LIT to restart all of the fires. Up to 20,000 attended their musical sacrifice: they all got their HEART cut out. History knows that they were always emotionally and sexually abnormal. No exception. Hee Haw.
Musical instruments are MACHINES for doing HARD WORK or producing SHOCK AND AWE: that is why music is THE world's oldest profession: emotionally and sexually abnormal and therefore able to CALL DOWN the "gods."

 
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Anonymous

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Ken Sublett

March 10 2007, 3:35 PM 

Ken,

You are mean-spirited and denigrating toward anyone who expresses an opinion different from your own.

Please stop.

Thanks,

Steve

 
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Haley

65.183.61.38

It's okay

March 11 2007, 3:27 PM 

It's okay Ken, I'm sorry you are still in bondage. I sometimes find to hard to follow all you rantings. The Lord Jesus Christ came to free us from bondage and brought us the good news. Unfortunetly, there are many out there like you; I once was, too. I don't look down on those still in bondage, but I do pray for them that they come to see the freedom in Christ. Freedom to worship him everyday of the week, freedom to worship with or without instruments.

It's hard for me to understand how the church of Christ ever picked this one thing, 'instruments' to be the topic of such contention. Why not argue about whether it's okay to have carpet in the church, or a baptistry, or where the communion table should reside, or whether it's okay to have Sunday School or Wednesday night services? They are all equally as questionable as instruments. I don't say those things to make a joke of it; it's just hard for me to understand where the arguments come from and how we get fixated on certain things and not the other.

I can appreciate that you have a conviction, but if we let our convictions or church doctorines get in the way of knowing God and His peace, and being able to take the gospel into the world, than we are to be pittied. Where does the scripture address that we should not have instruments in worship?

I think the main point I am making is if God says we shouldn't do some thing, than we shouldn't. If he doesn't address it, I think within a certain range, he is giving us freedom to choose. My worship is enhanced with instruments. I think that God is pleased when I worship him - period!

I also think you are seeing the begining of something big! There are other churches of Christ in the D/FW area who are adding instruments in worship and some like that and some don't. But there is no sin being commited here. I think you need to be open to the scriptures and allow the Lord to soften your heart in certain areas. My heart was once hardened, too. Now, I rejoice that I am free to worship Him as never before. The chains of bondage have been broken and I praise the Lord for that! I pray he continues to work in my life and all of our lives to bring us to be the people he has called us to be. We need to get together and see the importance of bringing the lost to Him.

 
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69.59.71.158

You've Got It All Wrong

August 24 2007, 7:40 PM 

First off I just want to say that I do not know anything about your particular church, but I have been in church all my life. I do not understand what is so wrong with worshiping God with instruments and songs. If the people of God do not praise Him with the instruments then they will be used by the people of the world to praise the devil. In fact, praise with instruments was implemented by King David as the job of the Levites working in the Temple of Jerusalem in 1 Chronicles 23:5 "Moreover four thousand were porters; and four thousand praised the LORD with the instruments which I made, said David, to praise therewith,"KJV. Furthermore Psalms 150 says,

"1 Praise ye the LORD. Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in the firmament of his power.2 Praise him for his mighty acts: praise him according to his excellent greatness.3 Praise him with the sound of the TRUMPET: praise him with the PSALTERY and HARP.4 Praise him with the TIMBREL and DANCE: praise him with STRINGED INSTRUMENTS and ORGANS.5 Praise him upon the LOUD CYMBALS: praise him upon the HIGH SOUNDING CYMBALS.6 Let EVERY THING that hath breath PRAISE the LORD. Praise ye the LORD."KJV

The New International Version translates it like this, "1 Praise the LORD. Praise God in his sanctuary; praise him in his mighty heavens. 2 Praise him for his acts of power;
praise him for his surpassing greatness. 3 Praise him with the sounding of the TRUMPET, praise him with the HARP and LYRE, 4 praise him with TAMBOURINE and DANCING, praise him with the STRINGS and FLUTE, 5 praise him with the CLASH of CYMBALS, praise him with RESOUNDING CYMBALS. 6 Let EVERYTHING that has breath PRAISE the LORD. Praise the LORD."NIV

Well now that we have made it clear that God wants us to worship him with instruments it seems that there would be no complaints from anyone. However, I realize that we all have our own ways of worshipping God and as long as we wroship Him in Spirit and in truth I do not see how any ones way of worshipping is wrong or idolatrous. We should be joyful and full of excitement about what the Lord has done for us. We do not worship God as if he needs our songs and dances or as if we think we gain any authority or power over God. But we choose to sacrifice our pride and self importance to humble ouselves so that Jesus the forgiver of our sins can see that we are humble.

I do not know of anything more humbling than singing to a person you cannot see with physical eyes or hear with physical ears. And what about dancing and playing instruments for someone the world says doesn't exist! It shows God that we're serious about our love, praise, thanks, and worship. The Bible says that we are the Temple of the Lord now. If Jesus lives in our hearts isn't it fitting that a praise continually be on our lips?

Finally, I haven't seen anything in this forum that would suggest that there is any controversy with dancing before the Lord, but just in case, there are also scriptures handling that issue too! The scripture qouted above Psalms 150:4 includes dancing as a form of praise. Also 2 Samuel chapter six tells us of when the Ark of the Covenant was brought to Jerusalem after being kept at the house of Obed-Edom. 2 Samuel 6:14-16 reads,

"14 And David danced before the LORD with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod. 15 So David and all the house of Israel brought up the ark of the LORD with shouting, and with the sound of the trumpet. 16 And as the ark of the LORD came into the city of David, Michal Saul's daughter looked through a window, and saw king David leaping and dancing before the LORD; and she despised him in her heart."

It further reads in 2 Samuel 6:20-23,

"20 Then David returned to bless his household. And Michal the daughter of Saul came out to meet David, and said, How glorious was the king of Israel to day, who uncovered himself to day in the eyes of the handmaids of his servants, as one of the vain fellows shamelessly uncovereth himself! 21 And David said unto Michal, It was before the LORD, which chose me before thy father, and before all his house, to appoint me ruler over the people of the LORD, over Israel: therefore will I play before the LORD. 22 And I will yet be more vile than thus, and will be base in mine own sight: and of the maidservants which thou hast spoken of, of them shall I be had in honour. 23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death."

Wow!! Being made unable to have children is pretty strong retribution for just making a rude remark about someone elses praise to God. And while I do not believe in scaring people into believing my religious views, though it seems like some people in this forum do, I do believe that what a person gives to God is sacred to God. When the woman with the alabaster box came to Jesus, kneeling at his feet, and the men around Him tried to stop her Jesus sat an example that all Christians should follow. He said leave her alone because even though the men around Jesus didn't think what the woman was doing was right Jesus saw that this was her sacrifice of praise and worship. He knew that it was not what the religious people said to her that mattered. All that mattered was that she was doing what she needed to do for Him and no one else.

I hope this has helped someone understand things better. If you want more info or you don't agree with me and would like to prevent your views I would be happy to discuss it more with you. My email is <ltwin_2@yahoo.com>












 
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PT

209.214.234.120

Response to Ken

June 8 2007, 9:39 AM 

Ken,

Your lengthy posts make no sense at all. God is not the author of confusion. The gospel is very simple. Even a little child can understand and come to Jesus. Musical instruments and what day we worship is not a salvation issue. In fact, we are to keep an attitude of worship to the Lord every day, not just Sunday or Saturday or whatever day it is. I am on the worship team at my church and we do not emphasize performance, but help (by the Holy Spirit) lead the people to God's presence so that He can touch them and meet them at their point of need. It is an honor for us to serve the Lord in that way. We do it in humbleness and in awe of Him. It is NOT about us at all. It is ALL about Him. God loves it when his people worship Him with a whole heart, with or without instruments. He is the one we are to lift up, not ourselves and not our instruments. Your posts reflect self-centeredness, pride and hate. God knows your heart, but I seriously doubt you are even a Christian. People like you are the reason some do not come to Christ. If they do not see the love of Christ, they will not be interested. They can get enough of what you are spewing in the world.

I do not go to the church mentioned here or even a C of C church, but I applaud their stance in wanting to please the Lord and move in the direction He has for them. Praise God.

PT

 
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Anonymous

65.68.207.0

Re: Christ: THE sign of the END TIME Sorcerers UNDER the Mother of Harlots!

July 15 2007, 10:53 PM 

Ken... you need to calm down. God gave us voices to sing and instruments to play. Every one has their own opinon and you should take yours else where.
Thank you.
have a WONDERFUL day.
p.s. spend some time AWAY from the computer.
go be with family instead of typing out pages and pages of comebacks. it will do you some good!

 
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69.19.14.20

She is DEAD while SHE liveth: Even dead bodies put out sounds!

March 10 2007, 9:08 PM 

Pan is the GOAT (Capella) Man is identified as the BEAST in the book of Revelation. His HORNS are identified as MUSICAL instruments or PANPIPES: these help little PIMPLES on the plains mount up to be HIGH HILLS which is the meaning of ARMAGEDDON. It is a POLEMIC war of WORDS against God and not a war of the worlds. You do remember that ZOE taught you to LOOK TO THE HILLS GODS for your salvation rather than the CREATOR of the hills. ZOE is called the BEAST and the "female instructing principle" in your neo-gnosticism which is ANTI-Christian in all respects.



God warns that those who mount the pulpits [towers], collect shekels and performs as SOPHISTS will CEASE to be in the 'house of the Lord.' That also includes NO CANAANITE in the house of the Lord. These were TRAFFICERS of the Kenite or Cainite tribe as a generation of VIPERS or the CROOKED GENERATION meaning the new wineskin SKOLION singers: both perverted and perverting.

This is MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE: If you have just performers then you CANNOT be an ekklesia or church of Christ.
If you were ONCE a church of Christ the musical SORCERERS have taken you CAPTIVE in a PRISON KEEP until Jesus returns.
This happens AFTER the false teacher has been deluded and Jesus has removed the CANDLES.

God defines what Jesus CONDEMNED and you have RESTORED in great detail: for now I will just look at the WISE or SOPHISTS who will be excluded. The word sOPHISts defines the serpent OPHIS who like the Nahash in the garden seduced people with sight and sound to PREVENT them hearing the Words of the Living Word.
Clement on Sophists

http://www.piney.com/FathClStromataI.html

Inflated with this art of theirs, the wretched Sophists, babbling away in their own jargon; toiling their whole life about the division of names and the nature of the composition and conjunction of sentences, show themselves greater chatterers than turtle-doves; scratching and tickling, NOT in a manly way, in my opinion, the ears of those who wish to be tickled.

"A river of silly words-not a dropping; "

just as in old shoes, when all the rest is worn and is falling to pieces, and the TONGUE alone remains. The Athenian Solon most excellently enlarges, and writes:-

"Look to the tongue, and to the words of the gazing man,
But you look on no work that has been done;
But each one of you walks in the steps of a fox, [Dog, Wolf]
And in all of you is an EMPTY mind." [Spirit has fled]


This, I think, is signified by the utterance of the Saviour, "The foxes have holes, but the Son of man hath not where to lay His head. " [Matt. viii. 20; Luke ix. 58.]
For on the believer ALONE, who is separated entirely from the rest,
    who by the Scripture are called wild beasts,
rests the head of the universe, the kind and gentle Word, "who taketh the wise in their own craftiness.


The CRAFTY in Revelation along with the singers and musicians are called SORCERERS under the Mother of Harlots.

For the Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain; " [Job v. 13; 1 Cor. iii. 19, 20; Ps. xciv. 11.]

the Scripture calling those the wise (sofou/j) who are skilled in words and arts, sophists (sofista/j) Whence the Greeks also applied the denominative appellation of wise and sophists to those who were versed in anything Cratinus accordingly, having in the Archilochii enumerated the poets, said:-


"Such a hive of sophists have ye examined."
And similarly Iophon, the comic poet, in Flute-playing Satyrs, says:-
    "For there entered
    A band of sophists, all equipped."
Of these and the like,
who devote their attention to empty words, the divine Scripture most excellently says,
"I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent." [ Isa. xxix. 14; 1 Cor. i. 19.]

Chapter IV.-Human Arts as Well as Divine Knowledge Proceed from God.
Homer calls an artificer wise; and of Margites, if that is his work, he thus writes:-
    "Him, then, the Gods made neither a delver nor a ploughman,
    Nor in any other respect wise; but he missed every art."

    Hesiod further said the musician Linus was "skilled in all manner of wisdom;
    "and does not hesitate to call a mariner wise, seeing he writes:-
    Having no wisdom in navigation."
And Daniel the prophet says, "The mystery which the king asks,it is not in the power of the wise,
the Magi, the diviners, the Gazarenes, to tell the king; but it is God in heaven who revealeth it." [Dan. ii. 27, 28.]


Sophos skilled in any handicraft or art, clever, harmatêlata, Mania; but in this sense Margites mostly of poets and musicians, Pindar 1, kitharai s.techne glôssêi, of lawyers or professors. [fired by Jesus]

STRABO'S GEOGRAPHY. Book One

(61) Aristobulus says, that he saw at Taxila two SOPhists (wise men),
both Brachmanes, the elder had his head shaved, but the younger wore his hair; both were attended by disciples.
When not otherwise engaged, they spent their time in the market-place. They are honoured as public counsellors,
and have the liberty of taking away, without payment, whatever article they like which is exposed for sale;
when any one accosts them, he pours over them oil of jessamine, in such profusion that it runs down from their eyes.
Of honey and sesamum, which is exposed for sale in large quantity, they take enough to make cakes, and are fed without expense


That is why rhetoricians, singers and musicians were known to be PARASITES: don't feed them and they will find another place to solicit.

Here are the sophists who have been ELEMINATED. Sophis-teia mantikê, of Balaam,

Mantikê, Mania [mainomai] ) madness, sphodra hêdonê katechousa Mad Women musical prophesiers in Corinth.
II. enthusiasm, inspired frenzy, m. Dionusou para E.Ba.305 ; apo Mousôn katokôchê


Like ALL of the rhetorical and musical Hypocritical arts, This MUSICAL frenzy is OPPOSITE the MIND or SPIRIT. That is why Jesus has removed the seven spirits OF knowledge from you AND WILL NOT PASS THAT WAY AGAIN.

OPPOSITE sôphrosunê anthrôpinê meaning having control over the sensual desires, temperate, self-controlled, moderate, chaste, sober,

Logos. The ACT of speaking is logik-os , ê, on, ( [logos] ) the ORGANS of speech

A. of or for speaking or speech, logikê, hê, speech,
OPPOSITE to mousikê,

Yes, Jesus laid down the law for the church in the wilderness.
Jesus EXAMPLED not doing a praise service in the synagogue.
Paul laid down a LAW against musical and theatrical performers as HEDONISTS.
If you claim there is NO direct command the you LIE and have no hope.
If you decide to FLAUNT God's will then you are LAWLESS and 99.9% of the CHURCH has MARKED you.

Paul said make melody IN the heart. Making melody with an ORGAN is a MACHINE for doing hard work or for producing SHOCK AND AWE to BOND the tribal "human material" to the CULT LEADER. History knows no exception.

Dionysus was New Wineskin god and God of commerce and the MARKETPLACE: that is where Jesus CONFINED the pipers, singers and dancers along with the musical minstrels He CAST OUT like dung and the MONECHANGERS using the PSALLO rope.

So, even when the world saw the musical idolaters as a LAUGHINGSTOCK they were quite certain that they looked WISE (sophistis) and SPIRITUAL (wrong Spirit: was Saturn numbered 666 who is Lucifer who is ZOE). Not to worry: God has sent the LOCUSTS (musical performers) to hold you captive and BEGIN beating you into hell (Isa 3) with Lucifer's Wind, String and Percussion instruments. Sure, every literate person knows that music HURTS like a jab of a needle to get the MOMENTARY drug high induced by MUSIC: Satan and Nimrod knew that, dumbo.

 
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69.19.14.21

For those who denigrate God: The MARK of the BEAST.

March 12 2007, 12:30 PM 

If you are a MUSICATOR, don't try to read this: God's has REMOVED your Spirit or Mind.

Jesus died to FREE you from bondage and there you are: right back into the polluted AGORA or Marketplace where Jesus placed the "musical minstrels," pipers, singers, dancers and "doctors of the Law who TAKE AWAY the key to knowledge."

The BONDAGE of the laded burden--using YOU like pack animals--is SPECIFICIALLY defined as what you are doing to POLLUTE the Sabbath given for REST and never worship: Stop the speaking, stop the singing, stop the instruments: in summary stop the PANIC which is what the BEAST Pan--the Capella goat--inflicts on YOU for his own bisexual enjoyment.

YOU pay the person who frees you FROM Jesus Christ by TWISTING all of the Scriptures: you cannot claim to be free from that which is written without confessing that SCRIPTURE is not for us and that makes you LAWLESS. Paul said of the 'staff infection: if they will not work NEITHER shall they EAT. I am SOooo happy that you have been LIBERATED to feed those the Church Fathers (always lied about) would--in DECENT communities--be myrred and cottoned or in TEXAS: 'Tarred and Feathered." Music IS the mark of the BEAST who is PAN or ZOE who led you into apostasy: That is why Paul knew MORE about EVE and the "snake" than any preacherling-hireling taught in TEXAS.

As prophesied in Isaiah 30 God IS repaying His enemies by driving them into Hell to the BEAT of wind, string and percussion instruments. That is why your GOING OUT is a GOD-CAUSED event so we can see the meaning of HERESY or musical SECTARIANISM whis is the oldest, most polluted PROFESSION (inherent in the TWO SONS: Cain and Abel)

2 Peter 2:8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing,
vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;)

2 Peter 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations,
and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:


John in Revelation says that the Locusts or Muses or Musical Worship team of Apollyon have STINGERS in their TAILS and their job is to DRIVE OUT the Righteous people and TAKE CAPTIVE those doomed to burn. The AFFLICTION or already being punished SEEMS spiritual but everyone knows that the MUSES inflect soul damage and make it SEEM spiritual: that is the MARK of spiritual DELUSION.

How can WE know when YOU have LANDED?

2 Peter 2:10 But chiefly them that
walk after the FLESH in the lust of uncleanness,
and despise government. Presumptuous are they,
selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities. [i.e. Lie TO God and ABOUT God]

2 Peter 2:11 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might,
bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.

2 Peter 2:12 But these, as natural brute BEASTS, [Zoon, ZOE MARK]
MADE to be taken and destroyed,
speak evil of the things that they understand not;
and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;


As DOGS or Catamites Paul and John connected to SORCERY they TURN to their OWN VOMIT and die forever.

2 Peter 2:13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness,
    as they that count it pleasure [Hedonism: sensual pleasure, LUST. Outlawed Rom 15]
    to riot in the day time.
    Spots they are and blemishes,
    sporting themselves Rising up to PLAY
    with their own deceivings
    while they feast with you
Hee Haw, freelings!

RIOT is the Abomination of Desolation in the Temple where all of the MALES (hee haw) were anxious to WEAR THE HAT of hermes: He is the Rubel Shelly and BAND'S "LOGOS" which as the GREEK PHILOSOPHER'S Messiah where, they say, John was NOT identifing Jesus as THE WORD. You will have to see WHAT others see when they come to LAUGH AT you and not WITH you.

http://www.piney.com/2Macc.html

That is what the perverted Dionysus CLERGY tried to induce in Jeus while they PIPED.

HERE YOU GO SPORTS! IF you PLAY on an INSTRUMENT you are MARKED for easy "left behind to burn."

Entrupo (g1792) en-troo-fah'-o; from 1722 and 5171; to revel in: - sporting selves.

Truphaô , ( [truphê] ) A. live SOFTLY, luxuriously, fare sumptuously, paison, truphêson, zêson:

Paison paizô [pais] I. properly, to play like a child, to sport, play 2. to dance,
4. to play (on an instrument). II. to sport, play, jest, joke, to make sport of one, MOCK HIM


Part of the PLAY on Jesus and the CHRISTIANS is to MOCK any quotation of the Bible as a HATE CRIME. Sure, that was part of the PATTERNISM of the Changelings when they appealed to Machiavelli etal to plan to make you HATE the bible and NOT using instruments. What else would prompt someone to say that GOD COMMANDS INSTRUMENTAL PRAISE and WE MUST NOT BE DISOBEDIENT?

The MOCKING--meaning singing and music--was OUTLAWED by God which the preacherlings TWIST was what Judas the Sicarri tried to do to Jesus: having failed, the Levitical Warrior Musicians (doing HARD BONDAGE) Tried to PLAY (hee haw) with Jesus but HE would not BOW TO BAAL (if you no whut i mean). They MOCKED him right up to the CROSS and that is why ALL of the MUSICIANS and instruments went into HELL (Topheth=tambourine) right outside Jerusalem.

Sure, Carol Wimber is the MOTHER of the New Style singing as the VINEYARD aka New Wineskins PROMOTES as did all pagans using music to INDUCE a sexual-like CLIMAX with the Spirit. Homosexuality was the only thing in history promoted to KNOW GOD PERSONALLY.

Eve is Inanna, Lucifer or Zoe: sure, Jesus said these were PARABLES to keep the fool clergy FROM hearing the GOSPEL of rest FROM the STOCKYARDS and being saved. Paul was literate but the FEMINIST THEOLOGIANS (whatever the sex) have to MOCK and put down the God of the PATRIARCHS to restore the Mother of Harlots in Revelation

Now, here is the PLAY and ZOE PRINCIPLE which helped lead you TO THE HILLS to worship the GODS of the hills: BACK into the marketplace and dung heap where Jesus CAST the Musical Minstrels which you MISSED in the three sermons.

For those understanding Jesus defining PARABLES "from the foundation of the world" to FOOL the VIPER or CROOKED generation, we understand Paul as NOT a hate monger but understanding that EVE was the "Mother of Gods" out of the Cainites and as ZOE she is the BEAST and FEMALE INSTRUCTING PRINCIPLE. She teaches the VIPERS how to SUCK your blood.

Zêson zaô

I. to live, Hom., etc.; elenchiste zôontôn VILEST of living men, rheia [ZOE] zôontes living at ease, of the gods, id=Il.; zôn katak authênai to be burnt alive, Hdt.:--also, zên apo tinos to live off or on a thing, zôsa phlox living fire,

Zôê A. living, i.e. one's substance, property, to get one's LIVING by Hdt.8.105
II.zôê,= graus11 , the scum on milk "old Wives Tales."


Just WHOM is bearing the BURDEN of WHOM. Hee Haw: God saw you as a Laughingstock at Mount Sinai when he TURNED YOUR OVER to WORSHIP THE STARS.

Truphaô 2. part. truphôn as Adj., effeminate, luxurious, dainty, DELICATE |II. to be licentious, run riot, wax wanton, Ar.Lys.405, etc.; to be extravagant, 2. revel in, en tois agathois tinos LXXSi.14.4 ; delight in, e

Including: Suzetetes (g4804) sood-zay-tay-tace'; from 4802; a disputant, i.e. sophist: - disputer.


Isaiah PROMISED and Paul in 1 Corinthians 1 OUTLAWED the SOPHISTS (Opis=serpents) because there is NO ROLE in the church for those who FUTHER define SCRIPTURE: Especially if they lie about what they need to MOCK in order to LIVE OFF YOUR HARD LABOR. Who IS that burdened man: not people who DON'T use "musical instruments" as machines for doing a HARD WORK or producing SHOCK AND AWE so that YOU feed those who WILL NOT WORK.

DECEIVINGS means DELUSIONS: When you lie about God's Word He sends you STRONG DELUSIONS so that you are FORCED to believe a lie and are damned: the Music is the MARK that God has begun DRIVING you into hell FOR WHICH it was prepared (Isa 30)

2 Pet 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Epilusis (g1955)ep-il'-oo-sis; from 1956; explanation, i.e. application: - interpretation.

Epiluo (g1956) ep-ee-loo'-o; from 1909 and 3089; to solve further, i.e. (fig.) to explain, decide: - determine, expound.


Why are YOU so LIBERATED that you pay a ZOE to MUSICALLY MOCK Jesus and DEFINE AWAY all of the music passages. If you LUST to be EFFEMINATE because you want to SELF-PLEASE yourself to REPROACH (make naked) Jesus WHY don't you just do it: do you HAVE to make yourself into a LAUGHINGSTOCK before the watching world and any DISCIPLE or CHRISTIAN who is Biblical and ETHICALLY literate?

2Pet 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery,
and that CANNOT cease from sin;
beguiling UNSTABLE souls:
an heart they have exercised with [trained NAKED in the gym
covetous practices; [money grubbing]
CURSEDchildren:2Pet 2:15 Which have FORSAKEN the right way, and are gone astray,
following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, [Moabite, BABYLONIAN]
who loved the wages of unrighteousness;


Paul IDENTIFIED those BLOWING the Winds of Change in Ephesians 4:
    Panourgia (g3834) pan-oorg-ee'-ah; from 3835; adroitness, i.e. (in a bad sense) trickery or sophistry: - (cunning) craftiness, subtilty.
    Panourg-êma , atos, to, A. knavish TRICK, villainy, S.El.1387 (lyr.), LXX Si.1.6 (v.l.); SOPHISTRY, Gal.5.251; cf. panourgeuma.

    Sophos: properly, skilled in any handicraft or art, cunning in his CRAFT,
    of POETS and MUSICIANS, SOOTHSAYERS, SOPHISTS, etc.
    Sophis-teia, sophistry, mantikê, of Balaam, mantikê means divination, soothsayer

Claims that his own MADNESS is the voice of the Holy Spirit telling him to deliberately SOW DISCORD and TWIST all of the truth by the Spirit OF Christ. CANNOT help it when you DENY the Word.
    Mantikos {ie women in Corinth] 2. technê [Craftsmen Re 18]m. faculty of DIVINITION, prophecy. Having a daimonios heaven-sent, miraculous, marvellous
The Lord, Lord prophesying is singing with instruments to INDUCE madness: God DOES NOT KNOW YOUR NAME because your spirit is STILL ON THE EARTH and you lust to live on DUST like the serpent or Musical Enchanter.

We told you that a musical instrument is a MACHINE for doing a hard WORK mostly connected with POLEMIC WARFARE. Therefore, those who IMPOSE instruments are EAGER FOR FIGHT with brother-against brother and wife-against husband but we MUST have that sorting out before Jesus REVEALS Himself.

Erist-ikos A. eager for strife or battle 2. involving a contest (or perh. debate), pros ton dialektikon, technê sophistry, sullogismos, logos, sophism, fallacy,II. esp.fond of wrangling or arguing.

Playto, Cratylus says

"the part of appropriative, coercive, hunting art which hunts animals, land animals, tame animals, man, privately, FOR PAY, is paid in CASH, claims to GIVE education, and is a hunt after rich and promising youths, must--so our present argument concludes--be called SOPHISTRY.


2Pet 2:16 But was rebuked for his iniquity:
the dumb ass speaking with man's voice
forbad the madness of the prophet.


I am proud to be BALAAM'S ASS

2Pet 2:17 These are
wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.


The cloud identifies the false prophet who has nothing to say: he is driven by a FALSE SPIRIT and cannot use the WORD to SEPARATE them:

http://www.piney.com/ApocEnoch1.html

8 Now the giants, who have been born of spirit and of flesh,
shall be called upon earth evil spirits,
and on earth shall be their habitation.

Evil spirits shall proceed from THEIR flesh,
because they were created from above;
from the holy Watchers was their beginning and primary foundation.

Evil spirits shall they be upon earth, and the spirits of the wicked shall they be called.
The habitation of the spirits of heaven shall be in heaven; {ours has been TRANSLATED}
but upon earth shall be the habitation of terrestrial spirits, who are born on earth. {TOO bad about YOURS}(24)

(24) Note the many implications of vss. 3-8 regarding the progeny of evil spirits.

9 The spirits of the giants shall be like CLOUDS,
(25) which shall oppress, corrupt, fall, content, and bruise upon earth.

(25) The Greek word for "clouds" here, nephelas,
may disguise a more ancient reading, Napheleim (Nephilim).


You know it began by you guys BLOWING THE WINDS OF CHANGE: and the legalistic Patternism has led to fit prophecy ABSOLUTELY. Those whose spirits HAVE BEEN translated into a HEAVENLY KINGDOM cannot be seduced. Revelation proves that YOU guys have already been LEFT BEHIND to be consumed forever and ever AMEN.

You, TOO, may be a fallen angel, seed of the Viper, Crooked generation or CHILD PLAY generation. As LOCUSTS or Musical Performers YOU fit the PATTERNISM of ALL of the Bible and ALL hisorical commentary. That is why YOU have to LIE (by default) about ALL of the Bible in order to MARK yourselves to give US "a way of escape." PROPHECY COULD NOT BE CLEARER

Most Biblical words are POINTERS to some wider meaning: This points to THE BOOK OF ENOCH which CONFIRMS Isaiah 30 that Hell is prepared for Lucifer and ALL SHE CAN SEDUCE. The Mother of Harlots USING the singers and musicians as SORCERERS (Rev 17-18) proves that at the heart of MODERN APOSTASY is a REAL-TIME FALLEN WOMAN. That proves that you have rejoiced and feel LIBERATED (as female) after being FORCED to take the INFERIOR POSITION.

2 Pet 2:18 For when they
speak great swelling [insolent] words of vanity,
they allure [entrap] through the lusts of the flesh,
through much wantonness,
those that were clean ESCAPED from them who live in error.


When you fall you BELIEVE that you are FREE but that is the meaning of musicians as SORCERERS. Now, you HAVE no freedom and NO choice. Salvation is FROM the Crooked generation of VIPERS as the Skolian singers: perverting and perverted.

2Pet 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

Peter says that the LIBERTY puts you WORSE than when you were baptized because Heb 6 makes it certain that when you fall away from the WORD you are lost and beyond redemption. You are defined as a DOG (Catamite) who wallows (claps) in his OWN VOMIT.
You know that the JUDAS BAG was for carrying the mouthpieces of wind instruments. Here is a picture of the always perverted ACTORS or MUSICIANS doing the KOMOS and TURNING to their own VOMIT as PROOF (like David) that the whirling deverish dance MADE HIM VILE and HE would be loved by the Camp Following Girls. Got any of those?



The Judas Bag was attached to the SPOTTED FLUTE case symbolic of Dionysus. It is the little box on the left side. No! Judas did not carry a PURSE but a FLUTE CASE.

 
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66.82.9.55

Muses intend to PUNISH those TAKEN CAPTIVE.

March 14 2007, 2:08 PM 

One of the facts about the Muses (Locusts=musical performers) working under Apollo or Apollyon is that their goal was to rejoice in the suffering of mankind and to INDUCE suffering of pain. All of history and modern science knows that music INFLICTS pain or the "spiritual anxiety through religious rituals" induced by the use of music and motion and the PROMSIE to call down the gods. That is through a DRUG HIGH which produces something like the runner's high.

That means that while they are promising you liberty they hate you with a purple passion:

Grand Inquisitor: Fyodor Dostoyevsky nohing that Jesus refused to do the "Texas Chain Saw Worship" said:

"I tell Thee that man is tormented
    by NO GREATER ANXIETY than to find some one quickly
    to whom he can hand over that GIFT OF FREEDOM
    with which the ill-fated creature is born.
But only one who can appease their conscience can take over their freedom."

But what happened? Instead of taking men's freedom from them,
Thou [Jesus] didst make it greater than ever! Didst Thou forget that
    man prefers peace, and even death,
    to freedom of choice in the knowledge of good and evil?
Nothing is more seductive for man than his freedom of conscience,
but nothing is a greater cause of suffering.


The Greek word
AKATASTASIA, instability, anarchy, confusion, Stoic.3.99, Plb.1.70.1, Nic.Dam.Vit.Caes.28, etc.: pl., LXX Pr.26.28, D.H.6.31, 2 Ep.Cor.6.5.

Prov 26:18 As a MAD MAN who casteth firebrands, ARROWS (hymns), and death,

Prov 26: 19 So is the man that DECEIVETH his neighbour, and saith, Am not I in SPORT?


JUST MUSICAL, SEXUAL JESTING, LORD! Gotta save more souls, you know?

Rising up to PLAY was musical idolatry at Mount Sinai: it was a MARK that they had rejected God and His Word. Therefore, He abandoned them to worship the starry host (Acts 7 etal). When you see this MARK you must grasp that God has sent you STRONG DELUSIONS to make you believe your own lie and be damned.

But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof: Proverbs 1:25
I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh; Proverbs 1:26
    Laugh: Sachaq (h7832) saw-khak'; a prim. root; to laugh (in pleasure or detraction); by impl. to play: - deride, have in derision, laugh, make merry, mock (-er), play, rejoice, (laugh to) scorn, be in (make) sport.
Of the rising up to play at Mount Sinai as Mocking God:

"The triumphal hymn of Moses had unquestionably a religious character about it; but the employment of music in religious services, though idolatrous, is more distinctly marked in the festivities which attended the erection of the golden calf." (Smith's Bible Dictionary, Music, p. 589).

Mock is: Leag (h3932) law-ag'; a prim. root; to deride; by impl. (as if imitating a foreigner) to speak unintelligibly: - have in derision, laugh (to scorn), mock (on), stammering.


When you are using MACHINES (for doing hard labor) you are IMITATING or MOCKING the Words of God. Bruner in The Holy Spirit notes that "All religious music is low-level glossolalia." That was before anyone even hallucinated bringing in Rock and roll as the "F" word. All known literature--spoken with minimal ethics--proves that you are doing MUSICAL IDOLATRY and are therefore an ABOMINATION before the Lord.

Paul compared speaking in tongues in Corinth to playing musical instruments: he used words pointing to warfare, witchcraft and the theater where the sounding brass constituted musical instruments. Therefore, when you turn to legalism using musical instruments it is the same as SPEAKING IN TONGUES. This Mocking word is used of Jesus and meant the Musical Levites mocking him after identifyiing Him as Beliar or Beelzebub: Hebrew meaning DUNG GOD.

Prov 26:23 Burning lips and a wicked heart are like a potsherd covered with silver dross.

Prov 26:24 He that HATETH dissembleth with his lips, and layeth up deceit [fraud] within him;
Prov 26:25 When he speaketh fair [humbly], believe him not: for there are seven abominations in his heart.


The Abomination of Desloation in the Jerusalem Temple (and gymnasium) was the musical rituals and sexual and homosexual activities masked by people claiming priestly roles. However, Jesus REFUSED to speak the gospel to them. It is promised again as the Mother Of Harlots (some underground Eve or ZOE figure you don't yet recognize) who as singers, musicians and probably prostitutes under the GRINDING word who are REALLY sorcerers:

H8441 tô?êbah tô?êbah to-ay-baw', to-ay-baw' Feminine active participle of H8581 ; properly something disgusting (morally), that is, (as noun) an abhorrence; especially idolatry or (concretely) an idol: abominable (custom, thing), abomination.

Mal 2:11 Judah hath dealt treacherously, and an abomination is committed in Israel and in Jerusalem; for Judah hath profaned the holiness of the LORD which he loved, and hath married the daughter of a strange god.

Profaned is h 2490 meaning to profane, defile, play the flute, steal an inheritance, pollute or prostitute.


Prov 26:26 Whose HATRED is covered by deceit,
his wickedness shall be showed before the whole CONGREGATION [Church, Synagogue].

    Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

    Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie;
    behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. Rev 3.9
    <>Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation,
    which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Rev 3:10

Prov 26:27 Whoso diggeth a pit shall fall therein: and he that rolleth a stone, it will return upon him.

Prov 26:28 A lying tongue HATETH those that are AFFLICTED by it; and a flattering mouth worketh ruin.

AKATASTASIA continued: this is BODY WORSHIP and WORKS and MADNESS: what the charismatics at Corinth looked like.
II. unsteadiness, tou sômatos kai mania Plb.7.4.8 : pl., Man. 5.57.
    sôma , body of man or beast, but in Hom., as Aristarch. remarks (v. Apollon [Apollyon].), always dead body, corpse (whereas the living body is demas)

    3. body, opposite spirit
    erga bodily labours,[ Organon means a musical instrument for doing ERGA HARD WORK.]
    hai tou s. hêdonai, [delight, enjoyment, pleasure: outlawed Rom 15]
    timêmata bodily punishments,

This is the LADED BURDEN which is "creation of spiritual anxiety through religious ritials]
People who HATE you which identifies Apollyon and the Muses or "locusts" lull you to sleep and then give you the sting of death from their SCORPION tails. MADNESS was the desired state to HEAR THE gods or DEMONS.
    Mania (A), Ion. -iê, hê, ( [mainomai] ) madness,

    sphodra hêdonê katechousa [Violent, impetuous pleasure]

    Pl.Phlb.45e ; maniê nousos [Mind]


Paul defines this madness by the MAD WOMEN in Corinth: it is well documented that only FEMALES and EFFEMINATE males can fall into this musical madness.
    In the law it is written, With MEN of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. 1 Cor. 14:21
    Wherefore tongues are for a SIGN, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not:but PROPHESYING [teacing the Word] serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. 1 Cor. 14:22If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad? 1Co.14:23

This MADNESS was a SIGN that you were UNBELIEVERS and people could FLEE FROM BABYLON.
    Mainomai (g3105) mah'ee-nom-ahee; mid. from a prim. mao , (to long for; through the idea of insensate craving); to rave as a "maniac": - be beside self (mad)

    II. enthusiasm, inspired frenzy, m. Dionusou para E.Ba.305 ; apo Mousôn katokôchê
    OPPOSITE to sôphrosunêMusic is OPPOSITE the Spirit or Mind
    philo sophou m. te kai bakcheias

    III. passion, erôtikê Pindar O 939

Pindar DEFINES what has happened:
    [21] I am lighting up that dear city with fiery songs, and more swiftly than a spirited horse

    or a winged ship [25] I will send that message everywhere, so surely as I, by some destined skill,

    am cultivating the exquisite garden of the
    Graces; for they are the givers of delight,

    but men become brave and skillful by divine will.

    [29] [Charitôn: meaning GRACE-CENTERED, charismatic or perverted] The goddesses of the hymn of victory. See O. 9.29.

    For [30] how could Heracles [homosexual in the Temple] have wielded his club against the trident, when Poseidon took his stand to guard Pylos, and pressed him hard, and Phoebus [Apollo, Apollyon] pressed him hard, attacking with his silver bow; nor did Hades keep his staff unmoved, with which he leads mortal bodies down to the hollow path [35] of the dead. My mouth, fling this story away from me! Since to speak evil of the gods is a hateful skill, and untimely boasting [39] is in harmony with madness. [40] Do not babble of such things now. Keep war and all battles apart from the immortals.

    But lend your tongue to the city of Protogeneia [Aboriginals], where, by the ordinance of Zeus with the flashing thunderbolt, Pyrrha and Deucalion [Noah?] came down from Parnassus and made their first home, and without the marriage-bed [45] they founded a unified race of stone offspring, and the stones gave the people their name.

    Arouse for them a clear-sounding path of song;
    praise wine that is old,

    but praise the flowers of songs [49] that are NEW

Sorry about that, but I cannot find a SINGLE HINT that the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION has struck. More PROFOUND like a TRUMPET sound around the world because it BETRAYS the people as the LARGEST AMONG US (always a Phallic symbol.)

I will keep looking. Maybe I will tell you about the MUSES or LOCUSTS as Satan's Musical Worship team. They were adulterers and always INFILICTED PAIN on the "worshipers" by DECEIT.

 
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Johnny Johnson

69.151.202.4

Yuck

March 15 2007, 7:07 PM 

Your pictures are gross. Your postings make no sense!

 
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66.82.9.53

Let me explain: They are stealing your LIBERTY.

March 16 2007, 1:39 PM 

Sometimes people do NOT understand: sometimes "I don't understand" means "you SPEAK NONSENSE" and that is part of the Change Agenda. I hope that there is a TINY REMNANT who do not understand because they have had "the key of knowledge taken away" by the doctors of the Law Jesus warned about. Why pay for what is NOT BREAD says God of the Free Word (Isa 55).

Most of what I post consists of:

First: Passages from the Bible which repudiate false teaching which defines ALL of the twisted passages about God 'COMMANDING INSTRUMENTAL PRAISE' and 'WE MUST NOT BE DISOBEDIIENT.' There simply is NO evidence associating music with the worship of a SPIRIT God. Any honest check of the evidence will prove that to be true and only in our lifetime have people dared to twist all known evidence. No one in the historical church ever had any problems understanding.

Second: I add CONTEXT and background to prove that the false twisters have NEVER read the context nor do they understand the STORY LINE of the message.

Third: I try to show how specific words are USED. Most preachers have never read the literature and depend almost totally on books which their best pals have written.

Fourth: I try to post PARALLEL literature often used by Jesus and writers such as Paul, Peter, Jude, John etal as CODED MESSAGES which, says Peter, "people TWIST to their own destruction."

With that warning, I hope to wean people away from RHETORICAL messages which SPITS at the Bible in order to advance their own--often hidden--agenda. If you don't understand DON'T you want to understand that the CROOKED GENERATION from which Jesus protects you as the synagogue did in the wilderness are SPECIFICIALLY the skolion singers and musicians of the perverted symposium? Doesn't it bother that the GENERATION OF VIPERS speak of Satan in the garden as a Musical Enchanter or as "the singing and harp-playing prostitute." And as the Mother of Harlots in Revelation 17 who uses speakers, singers and musicians as SORCERERS in Revelation 18. Does it NOT register that ALL of the musical and instruments speak of ENCHANTING?

THE JEWS presumed to be TEACHERS of the Word of God but KNEW NOTHING and had LOST their ability to read simple text [2 Cor 3]. I suggest that preaching and music has NO OTHER rationale than to keep YOU from hearing and understanding the Word. Jesus said of the Doctors of the Law "They take away the key to knowledge." Now, why do people INSIST on procuring their OWN doctor of the Law? If you decide to ASSemble your selves and DISassemble yoursleves as "school of the Bible" then the "dens of thieves and houses of merchandise" will loose their PLACE and their LAW.

It is well-known that most have LOST the ability to read simple prose, digest it and reach a conclusion about it. If you COULD. then sermonizing and advertizing WOULD NOT remove the liberty Christ died to give. Surely there are GOSPEL preachers left? I have posted a Shelly-York sermon review which confesses this and PROPOSE that YOU can now only be reached through IMAGES: these views were ditto headed from Lynn Anderson. This agrees with the feminist hermeneutics which shows that women ARE destroying the patriarchal society and Christianity by "small acts of treachery" mostly through music and picking 'pulpit prophets' which the Navigator's survey proved are 85% effeminate directed. Karen Armstrong defines the Amos passages as proving that men were so effeminant that they "could not enter into dialog with God." That needs NO proving since I know of NO ekklesia where preaching is now DIALOG.

The prophets prophesied and Jesus points to Isaiah and Ezekiel to identify the Scribes and Pharisees as HYPOCRITES. Ezekiel marks the SECT of HYPOCRITES as "slick speakers, singers and musicians." Those who FLOCK to listen are also marked as not having ANY INTENTION of listening to and honoring God. Now, I want to post some Bible in BLUE and I hope that you don't tell the world that you cannot understand it--although everyone knows that MOST cannot. Speaking of Paul:
    And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening. Acts 28:23
Now if you are a NEW TESTAMENT CHRISTIAN you have been deliberately DEPRIVED of the meaning of JESUS and the KINGDOM OF GOD in prophecy. Furthermore, it is almost ABSOLUTE that when you hear sermonizing or versifying from the OLDEN Bible, someone is going to LIE by taking verses out of context. Most people don't' CARE because the MUSIC which was always AFFLICTING has deprived you of the ability to DISCERN truth from lie or EVEN CARE.

The GOSPEL REST specificially FREES you from all rhetorical, musical or any kind of RITUAL intended to create ANXIETY and destroy your spirit.
    And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not. Acts 28:24

    And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word,
    Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers, Acts 28:25

    Saying, Go unto this people, and say,
    Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand;
    and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
    Acts 28:26

    For the heart of this people is waxed gross,
    and their ears are dull of hearing,
    and their eyes have they closed;

    lest they should see with their eyes,
    and hear with their ears,
    and understand with their heart,
    and should be converted,
    and I should heal them. Acts 28:27

    Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles,
    and that they will hear it. Acts 28:28

Don't you grasp that Christianity is a HARD DISCIPLINE and almost NO ONE wants to be a Christ Christian. That is why they couldn't pay the heating bill IF they were a faithful church of Christ. Entertainment is ALWAYS noted in the documents as ADDED when the old system can no longer support itself. When you see the charismatic music it is a MARK that they are "cracking away" and reverting to the ARCHAIC or pre-civilizaton tribalism: AND you are NOT the Alpha Male. Hitler called you 'human material' and the Willow Creekers call you a "complimentarian" and the Purpose Driven Cult does NOT let you into the 'bull's-eye" center of command.

Jesus spoke in parables to the Jewish clergy SO THAT they could NOT understand because they had PREDESTINATED their soul by already deciding to IGNORE Him."
Paul is quoting Isaiah 6 but--try to stay with me--but in Isaiah 5 God SINGS A SONG to the nation and THAT is always a MARK of beyond-redemption judgment. Watch the BLUE STUFF and remember Amos 5-8:
    Isa 5:11 Woe unto them that rise up early in the morning, that they may follow strong drink;
    that continue until night, till wine inflame them

    And the harp, and the viol, the tabret, and pipe, and wine, are in their feasts: [Religious festivals]
    BUT they regard not the work of the Lord, neither consider the operation of his hands. Isa 5:12

    THEREFORE,
    my people are gone into captivity,
    because they have no knowledge:
    and their honourable men are famished,
    and their multitude dried up with thirst. Isa 5:13 [For the WORD]
    Therefore HELL hath enlarged herself, and opened HER mouth without measure:
    and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it. Isa 5:14

Doesn't THAT fit with my claim that Isaiah 30--if you don't twist it--PROVES that HELL is prepared for God to BEAT you there to the sound of Wind, String and Percussion instruments? Of the king of Tyre and of Babylon as Lucifer PATTERNISTS:
    Isa 14:11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms [MAGGOTS]cover thee.
    Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
    Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven,
    I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
    Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
    Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Haven't the users of music and musicians to MOUNT UP to their kingdom (Armageddon) CLAIMED and BOASTED that "We are the Greatest" such that there is an ADDICTION to church growth which is idolatry? Was Oak Hills getting too close to being KING OF THE HILL?

Lucifer is ZOE or EVE whom Paul warned you about using speech EASILY PERVERTED to your destruction. ZOE has been the leading lady in driving churches into a New Style Worship from Old Style Babylon. Rejoicing is the same as the Greek word:
    The verb rendered tinkling, alalazo, originally meant to repeat the cry alala, as in battle. It is used by Mark (6:38) of the wailings of hired mourners. Hence, generally, to ring or clang. Rev., clanging cymbal, is derived from (the Greek) a hollow or cup. The cymbal consisted of two half-gloves of metal which was struck together." (Vincent, p. 263)
This also defines the Musical Minstrels which Jesus CAST OUT like dung and like the "musical word" which define 'play the flute, steal your inheritance, pollute, prostitute and as 'Lucifer was CAST OUT of Heaven.'" Therefore, SOMEONE is making war on you and you had better hope that JESUS has not TURNED YOU OVER to worship the STARS as at Mount Sinai: there God also came with ten thousand of his angels to POUR OUT A FIREY LAW.

T. Maccius Plautus Wrote so you know about the Ephesians NOT singing command.
"This city is Ephesus; then, the Captain, my master,
who has gone off hence to the Forum [marketplace where Jesus consigned the pipers, singers and dancers],

    a bragging, impudent, stinking fellow, brimful of lying and lasciviousness,
    says that all the women are following him of their own accord.
    Wherever he goes, he is the laughing stock of all;
    and so, the Courtesans here--since they make wry mouths at him,
    you may see the greater part of them with lips all awry Alazon is the name:


    This mirthful place: He alludes to the theatres, where scenic representations took place on public festivals.

    The theaters, singers, dancers, musicians, pagan temples, prostitutes were QUARANTINED. The "psallo" word is NOT musical but identifies the ROPE to drive people OUT of the NEW STYLE WORSHIP and into the ekklesia (church). In Latin THIS is what Paul outlawed in Romans 15 so that the EKKLESIA can take place.

    Alazôn, "the boaster," he says, was the Greek name of the play. It is not known who was the Greek author from whom Plautus took this play, which is one of his best.

    Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Ro.1:30
    3 , in Greek, of this Comedy; the same we call in Latin. "the Braggart" (Gloriosus).

NOW LET'S GRASP WHAT PAUL WARNED ABOUT

When Isaiah saw the house FILLED WITH SMOKE he saw WOES: when your preacher sees the Temple filled with total DARKNESS at Temple dedication HE sees it as an APPROVED EXAMPLE or command for instrumental music. If God is HARDENING you then please TRY to understand: leave off the giving and sermonizing and versifying and musicating so you can read. I used to go to the library during that time.

Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me. Isa 6:8
And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. Isa 6:9

Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes;
lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart,
and convert, and be healed. Isa 6:10


Ask: Has God sent ME a strong DELUDER to FORCE me to rejoice and be glad in my HARDNESS? Music was the most POWERFUL deluder.

Jesus used this same message to explain WHY the Jewish clergy was blinded. You see, GOD does send STRONG DELUSIONS in the form of STRONG DELUDERS when you listen to the twisting of God's Word as a TERMINAL OFFENSE (Heb 6)

Then said I, Lord, how long? And he answered, Until the cities be wasted without inhabitant,
and the houses without man, and the land be utterly desolate, Isa 6:11

And the Lord have removed men far away, and there be a great forsaking in the midst of the land. Isa 6:12

But yet in it shall be a tenth, and it shall return, and shall be eaten: as a teil tree, and as an oak, whose substance is in them, when they cast their leaves: so the holy seed shall be the substance thereof. Isa 6:13


Because adults REBEL against their parents, perhaps YOUR children will grasp the horrors you have afflicted them with and as a HOLY SEED sprout and grow again.

Sure, that was SPOKEN about Israel who fell first because of MUSICAL IDOLATRY and later by turning their liberty over to a KING SET OVER US, but it is FULFILLED when you SELL your liberty and put it into the hands of a DOMINANT PASTOR who has every right to ASSUME that you are just HUMAN FODDER. Why not?

Try this: cease to be a Watchtower Slave and assume your own manly duty. Skip the Rock and Roll to curse your soul as they turn their trickes on route 666. Gather a few people who still love the Lord by loving HIS words. Take some of these passages which cannot be studied in full. And become DISCIPLES of Jesus. You will NOT find Him in the masses but OUTSIDE the camps while HE is being reproached by those who, know it or not, are His mortal enemies. It will save your money which YOU do NOT owe them and you can buy health insurance for your children. You don't have to be silently abraded and DISCORDED when Paul defined the ekklesia as a place to COMFORT one another with Scripture.

The MASSES will of NECESSITY be the enemies of Jesus Christ. You CANNOT be a Christian and be applauded as you serve as Pied Pan to lead people away by FIRST hurting their mothers and fathers. You NEED to wake up. I would never take your money.

 
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69.19.14.27

Who are the WOLVES in Paul's Warning?

March 19 2007, 4:54 PM 

The problem the elders have set up for themselves is that their VOICE FROM THE SPIRIT has to TRUMP the Bible and all known evidence. Wouldn't try that hand in Las Vegas. I understand that the Old Testament is "twisted" because it has lost its power according to the changelings. Also many of them have chosen to dismiss the epistles "as the divisive letters of divided apostles." In the words of Shelly that gives LIBERTY to write yourself into the text using the 'old fragments.' That means that no one has ever deliberately sowed discord by adding music without first repudiating the Word of God which repudiates God. According to the Biblical examples and the end-time Mother of Harlots (Rev 17) the singers and musicians and other technicians serve her as SORCERERS who HAD deceived the whole world. The following verse follows the pattern that the LIGHTS or "seven spirits of Christ" all forms of Divine knowledge had already been REMOVED by the last visit of God who said through Amos: "I will not pass this way again." Therefore, it is only for those who have not gone beyond redemption, that we need to continue to say that the Bible is the only informing document for the Christian system as a school of the Bible. If you plan to do a HOSTILE TAKEOVER then minimal, bottom of the bilge ethics would be to tell the people about your secret agenda.

As the Spirit OF Christ, Jesus (Jehovah- Saves) spoke in parables from the foundation of the world. That was to hide the truth from the mercinaries (Isaiah 48) who claimed that THEY were prophets or heard the voice of God when Jesus says that NO MAN knows other than what the SON has revealed. And the Spirit OF Christ will never reveal anything which Christ has not taught.

Jesus spoke in parables to the CROOKED GENERATION of clergy who were not Israelites but the SEED OF THE VIPER, the Sons of the Devil says Jesus because "they speak on their own." Peter said that evil people TWIST Paul's writings to their own destruction. That is because the Bible uses pointer words which identify a large body of literature. When Paul spoke of the DOGS he was speaking of the perverted Cynics identified by their form of singing like dogs or wolves.

kunikos , ê, on, ( [kuôn] II.Kunikos, ho, Cynic, as the followers of the philosopher Antisthenes were called, from the gymnasium ( [Kunosarges] )

When he spoke of WOLVES we understand that the elders were not LIKELY to pretend to be wolves but they ARE wolves disguised as Shepherds. The so-called eldership or preacherhood is the most likely place for Satan to plant his agents. Therefore, Paul warned that the full counsel of God had been delivered and Peter said that diverting from that would MARK a false teacher:
No one ever took glory on themselves and claimed to HEAR voices or SEE visions who did not self-destruct or get eaten up with world. Agrippa had such a SEEKER CENTER.

Acts 20:26 Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men.
Acts 20:27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.

Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves,
    and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers,
    to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Acts 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Acts 20:30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
Acts 20:31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.


FEEDING is the only authorized duty of elders: he makes sure that you speak "that which is written" and he "teaches that which has been taught." Jesus and Thomas Campbell warned that elders have no authority to load you down with spiritual anxiety such as debt. Therefore, elders USURP the role of Jesus Christ and Lord it over the flock. They have the preacher warn that they MUST NOT question the elder's decision. That is one of the marks of a cult.

According to Paul an elder is not elected but identified as "already laboring to the point of exhaustion in preaching and teaching." That does not keep the NOBILITY to seek church leaders and build buildings and flocks as CIVIC PRIDE which is known to be his Phallic Symbol. The elder with his own holy spirit DOES NOT lade burdens as being "grievous." He and ministers BEAR the burden of others. That is a MARK you can look for.

Lukos or wolf: of treacherous or unnatural love, lukou bion zên, i. e. live by rapine, peri phrear choreuei, of those engaged in vain pursuits,
You can test that one by whether you sing, play and dance in the Agora or marketplace where Jesus consigned the clergy and also the Musical Minstrels he "cast out as dung." If the bodies are rocking and rolling you are in the Dionysus shuffle. This defines the Abomination of Desolation in the Temple:

Chor-euô of the Dionysiac chorus or dance, E.Cyc.156, Ba.21, 184,207, etc.: hence, take part in the chorus, regarded as a matter of religion,
    Euripides, Bacchae [20] and I have come to this Hellene city first, having already set those other lands to dance and established my mysteries there, so that I might be a deity manifest among men. In this land of Hellas, I have first excited Thebes to my cry, fitting a fawn-skin to my body and [25] taking a thyrsos in my hand, a weapon of ivy. For my mother's sisters, the ones who least should, claimed that I, Dionysus, was not the child of Zeus, but that Semele had conceived a child from a mortal father and then ascribed the sin of her bed to Zeus, [30] a trick of Kadmos', for which they boasted that Zeus killed her, because she had told a false tale about her marriage. Therefore I have goaded them from the house in frenzy, and they dwell in the mountains, out of their wits; and I have compelled them to wear the outfit of my mysteries. [35] And all the female offspring of Thebes, as many as are women, I have driven maddened from the house, and they, mingled with the daughters of Kadmos, sit on roofless rocks beneath green pines. For this city must learn, even if it is unwilling, [40] that it is not initiated into my Bacchic rites, and that I plead the case of my mother, Semele, in appearing manifest to mortals as a divinity whom she bore to Zeus.
They tried to force Jesus to "bow to Baal"
    Lu.7:32 They are like unto children sitting in the marketplace, and calling one to another, and saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned to you, and ye have not wept.
Lukos or wolf is also: VI. nickname of paiderastai, paiderast-ês , ou, ho, A. lover of boys, mostly in bad sense,

Ezek 22:27 Her princes in the midst thereof are like wolves ravening the prey, to shed blood, and to destroy souls, to get dishonest gain.

Epictetus, Works XLIII. XLII. Instead of herds of oxen, endeavor to assemble flocks of friends about your house. As a wolf resembles a dog, so much does a flatterer, an adulterer, a parasite, resemble a friend. Take heed, therefore, that instead of guardian dogs, you do not inadvertently admit ravening wolves.


All religious performers were called PARASITES.

Another name for the Wolf points to Apollo or Apollyon and the Market Place worship where Jesus drove the money changers, pipers, singers and dancers.

Lukeios A. of or belonging to a wolf, dora E.l.c., etc.

Epithet of Apollo, either as lukoktonos (q. v.), or as the Lycian god (v. Lukêgenês, Lukios), or (fr. Lukê) as the god of light: Lukei'

Apollon A.Ag.1257 Lycean lord, be a very wolf to the enemy; so tou lukoktonou theou agora Lukeios (this agora being an open place in Argos near the temple of Apollo Lukeios) S.l.c.; cf. Lukeion.
    Lucifer or Phosphorus "the bringer of light"). The name of the planet Venus [Zoe], when seen in the morning before sunrise. The same planet was called Hesperus, Vesperugo, Vesper, Noctifer, or Nocturnus, when it appeared in the heavens after sunset. Lucifer as a personification is called a son of Astraeus and Aurora or Eos, of Cephalus and Eos, or of Atlas By Philonis he is said to have been the father of Ceyx. He is also called the father of Daedalion and of the Hesperides. Lucifer is also a surname of several goddesses of light, as Artemis, Aurora, and Hecaté.
Damon told Plato that to change the LAWS you first had to change the MUSIC and graduallly in the form of entertainment:
    DAMON

    "Rise, Lucifer, and, heralding the light,
    bring in the genial day, while I make moan
    fooled by vain passion for a faithless bride,
    for Nysa, and with this my dying breath
    call on the gods, though little it bestead--
    the gods who heard her vows and heeded not.
    'Begin, my flute, with me Maenalian lays.'

Paul may have planted the word PSALLO to fool the fools although the word is never translated as MELODY in the Greek literature.

The first meaning is defined by its use in WARFARE pointing to Apollo father of musical harmony and homosexuality.

The second meaning is the MARK left by slaves who drove IDLERS out of the AGORA and forced them to the EKKLESIA. The Apollyon and Muses worship was in the Agora. As were the Sodomites "if they were professional." As were the singers, clappers, players of instruments, dancers and sellers of radishes.
The Catholic Quasten notes:

Consequently Apollo was god of prophets and musicians and Pan was god of medicine, music and divination.

"Here singing served as a means of inducing ecstatic prophecy (speaking in tongues).
    Thus the essential relationship between music and prophecy can be clearly seen.
    This relationship also explains why the expression for "making music" and "prophesying" was often identical in the ancient tongues. origen contra celsum 8.67.
    The Hebrew word Naba signifies not only "to prophesy" but also "to make music." (Quasten, Johannes, Music and Worship in Pagan and Christian Antiquity, p. 39)
"In cultic action music was used in preparation for prophecy.
Julius Firmicus Maternus refers to this fact in his remarks on an African cult.
    With the air full of flute music,
    the priests would put on women's clothing and
    then call on the goddess so that,
    filled with a wicked spirit,
    they might predict the future to foolish men
Musicologists and historians know that our "religious" music is derived from voodoo through Jazz and Rock and Roll those "f" words which mark all musical worship, literally or virtually.

IF it ever happened that the Wolves wore the clothes of the SHEPHERD then the message throughout the literature is that they would begin to prophesy meaning the claim of inspiration to let the singers, musicians and actors into the "school of the Bible" to turn it into, as they claim, a "theater for holy entertainment."

I know of no history which did not identify religious performers as Hypocrites: that includes Jesus marking the Scribes and Pharisees as Hypocrites by identifying them with mouth religion including slick speakers, singers and instrument players (Ezek 33). I know of no history, including the Ezekiel passage, whiich does not associate them with unnatural love.

You have to be the judge but why would elders deliberately choose to pick the persona of wolves to claim to "save more souls."

 
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66.82.9.58

One of the MISSED ones: something to do Saturday Night in Fear and Reverence.

March 21 2007, 10:01 AM 



You might consider setting up a SABBATH school where sabbath means REST from those who impose the spiritual anxiety Jesus died to remove. I think you could attract lots of people who do the sermon-singing-soliciting thingy out of legalistic fear. Get some computers and and become DISCIPLES and just make the false preaching a laughingstock like the musicians at Mount Sinai.

I cannot grasp the claim that GOD COMMANDS INSTRUMENTAL PRAISE and WE SHOULD NOT BE DISOBEDIENT when all musical terms speak of Satan as the source, warriors, sacrificial exorcists, prostitutes and Sodomites. The universal PERSONA of musicians has always been so compromised that you will have to ask WHY ARE MUSICIANS permitted to "Stand in the Holy Places" and CLAIM to be Christs by claiming to "lead you into the presence of God?" Further, you have to wonder when the MASSES can be so fooled that EVEN THE ELECT (baptized believers) ARE IN DANGER of being led astray. We can say that the ELECT will barely escape with their choir robe burned.

Here is what the band of sowers of discord PRETEND they cannot find: this is FREE OF CHARGE for the two or three disciples.

Isa 56:1 THUS saith the Lord,
    Keep ye judgment,
    and do justice:

    for my salvation [Yeshua] is near to come,
    and my righteousness to be revealed.
The CHRIST OF GOD is the the wisdom and Righteousness and sanctification and redemption OF God.

Isa 56:2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it;
that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it,
and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.


The sabbath or Lord's Day means REST. The Holy Convocation was to read and rehearse the Word. The assembly was the qahal, synagogue or church in the wilderness. It specificially outlawed loading any burdens on people of which loud rejoicing or singing was the most afflicting. Numbers defines how the assembly is called to quarantine people FROM rituals:
    Num 10:7 But when the congregation is to be gathered together, ye shall blow, but ye shall not sound an alarm.
The church in the wilderness served the same purpose as the ekklesia Jesus empowered: a "praise" service was outlawed and "a school of the Word" was defined. The assembly was:
    H6951 qahal kaw-hawl From H6950 ; assemblage (usually concretely):assembly, company, congregation, multitude.
The REST from SELF-pleasing was directly commanded in the wilderness and in the ekklesia:
    H7321 rua roo-ah' A primitive root; to mar (especially by breaking); figuratively to split the ears (with sound), that is, shout (for alarm or joy): blow an alarm, cry (alarm, aloud, out), destroy, make a joyful noise, smart, shout (for joy), sound an alarm, triumph.
Prophecy DEFINES by setting up flags or MARKERS so that we can identify Satan imposing his SEED or the 'generation of vipers' or the 'crooked generation' marked by perverting musical noise which leads to irreverence and death. For instance, the prophecy of Judas as the Familiar Friend was that he would try to TRIUMPH OVER Jesus.
When the enemy is on the MUSICAL ATTACK at the cross using the Levitical Warrior Musicians the TRIUMPH OVER did not work. When Jesus survived the musical attack the DSS version of this Psalm shows Messiah using the "harps of God" meaning the fruit of the lips and hearts.

Polluting the Sabath meant to engage in music. The PRAISE word was similar and was a way to panic the enemy. The word, Lucifer, is from this PRAISE word.

Isa 56:3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the Lord, speak, saying, The Lord hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.

Isa 56:4 For thus saith the Lord unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;

Isa 56:5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.

Isa 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;

The Lord's Day as a REST DAY and not a day for doing things which would have POLLUTED the Rest under the Law. Pollute defines:
    Chalal (h2490) khaw-lal'; fig. to profane (a person, place or thing), to break (one's word), denom. (from 2485) to play (the flute)... pipe, player on instruments, pollute, (cast as) profane (self), prostitute
This defines how lucifer was CAST AS PROFANE out of heaven and how Jesus CAST OUT the musical minstrels as one might eject dung.

Even them will I bring to my holy mountain,
and make them joyful [cheer up] in my house of prayer:
their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar;
for mine house shall be called a house of prayer for all people. Isa 56:7


OH! you mean that God is NOT the holy bartender or (re Shelly Lucado) God's song writer and dance master? Nope. Nor is the church the pagan temple or the roving prostitutes seducing as flute-girls (a synonym for prostitute). The assembly is the SYNAGOGUE "which never had a praise service by direct common and minimal common reverence.

The Jewish or Non-Isralite clergy had turned the Temple area into an AGORA or marketplace: Jesus took a papyrus rope and drove them OUT from "the house of prayer." The word PSALLO speaks of the same papyrus rope POLLUTED with filth to MARK those who were reluctant to leave the MARKETPLACE (church) so that the decent people in the EKKLESIA would know that they would not take a part.

Paul said that we should "burn up" or bodies as a living sacrifice. Both the "harps of God" and the "incense" are defined as the "fruit of the lips."

The remnant, reserved or predestinated are those who did not fall into pagan religionism of which music was the MARK of polluting or prostituting.

Isa 56:8The Lord God,
    which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, [never the rich and famous]
    Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.
In Isaiah 5 which is parallel to Amos when their religious festivals were devoted to wine, women and song, GOD broke down the walls to let the BEAST people in to eat up their inheritance. Here are some MARKS of the BEAST.

Isa 56: 9 All ye beasts (merry congregation, or multitude, running, springing) of the field, come to devour, yea, all ye beasts in the forest.
Isa 56:10 His watchmen are BLIND they are all IGNORANT, they are all DUMB dogs (keleb = male prostitutes), they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber.

    Here is the meaning of DOGS or WOLVE. H3611 keleb keh'-leb From an unused root meaning to yelp, or else to attack; a dog; hence (by euphemism) a male prostitute:--dog. kuôn or kuôn

    II. as a word of reproach, to denote shamelessness or audacity in women, rashness, recklessness in men, Hom.
    2. at Athens a nickname of the Cynics,
    III. the Trag. apply the term to the ministers of the gods; the eagle is Dios ptênos kuôn Aesch.; the griffins Zênos akrageis kunes id=Aesch.; the Bacchantes Lussês
    Pan is the kuôn of Cybele, Pythag., Persephonês kunes, of the planets,

    Used often with:
    lukos A.wolf, jackals: various kinds, jackals: various kinds, VI. nickname of paiderastai,

History is clear of the singing and musical public performances "Only women and effeminate males COULD fall into it." We have noted that ALL of the proof texts used by the Christian Church to infiltrate and divert peaceable churches of Christ to make PSALLO into a direct command for INSTRUMENTAL PRAISE point to older males using music to seduce young boys. And all priesthoods have been highly infected.

Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough,
and they are shepherds that CANNOT understand:
they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter. Isaiah 56: 11


We know for a fact that the Abomination of Desolation in the later Temle was the musical--always perverted--worship of Zeus and Dionysus (the new wineskin god). BARKLESS means:
    Akragês
    A. not barking, akrageis kunes, of gryphons, A. Pr.803. Hsch. expl. akrages by duscheres, sklêron, oxucholon, cf. akranges (leg. akrages): akrocholon AB369 .

    Aeschylus, Prometheus Bound Such is the peril that I bid you to guard against. But now listen to another and a fearsome spectacle. Beware of the sharp-beaked hounds of Zeus that do not bark, the gryphons,

They tried to get Jesus to sing and dance the perverted Dionysus 'bowing to Baal"

REMEMBER THE NEW WINESKIN PARADIGM?

Come ye, say they, I will fetch wine, and we will fill ourselves with strong drink; and to morrow shall be as this day, and much more abundant. Isaiah 56: 12

But draw near hither, ye sons of the sorceress, the seed of the adulterer and the whore. Isaiah 57:3


We told you that John thought that singers and musicians were SORCERERS: as ministers of the Mother of Harlots they would be literally or emotionally EMASCULATED--Paul said 'I wish they would let the knife slip."
    And the sorcerer is:

    "Applied to Persian priests or astrologers of Babylon. Pharmakos (g5333) an adjective signifying "devoted to magical arts," is used as a noun, "a sorcerer," especially one who uses drugs, potions, spells, enchantments, Rev 21:8, in the best texts (some have pharmakeus) and 22:15" Vine

    John identified the Mother of Harlots in Rev 17 and called the slick speakers, singers and musicians SORCERERS in Revelation 18. Why do YOU plan to burn with the sorcerers.

    Blessed are they that do his commandments,
    that they may have right to the tree of life,
    and may enter in through the gates into the city. Rev 22:14

    For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters,
    and whosoever LOVETH and maketh a lie. Rev 22:15

Without pausing in the original, Isaiah continues to prove that the MUSICAL MARK is God's plan to use the LOCUSTS (Muses: musical prostitutes) to DRIVE AWAY the righteous and hold the EVIL captive:

Isa 57:1 THE righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart:
and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.
Isa 57:2 He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds, each one walking in his uprightness.
Isa 57:3 But draw near hither, ye sons of the sorceress, the seed of the adulterer and the whore.

    Anan (h6049) aw-nan'; a prim. root; to cover; used only as denom. from 6051, to cloud over; fig. to act covertly, i. e. practise magic: - * bring, enchanter, Meonemin, observe (-r of) times, soothsayer, sorcerer. [This included responsive singing]

    2K.21:6 And he made his son pass through the fire, and observed times, and used enchantments, and dealt with familiar spirits and wizards: he wrought much wickedness in the sight of the Lord, to provoke him to anger.

    Is.2:6 Therefore thou hast forsaken thy people the house of Jacob, because they be replenished from the east, and are soothsayers like the Philistines, and they please themselves in the children of strangers.
    Therefore hearken not ye to your prophets, nor to your diviners, nor to your dreamers, nor to your enchanters, nor to your sorcerers, which speak unto you, saying, Ye shall not serve the king of Babylon: Je.27:9

Against whom do ye sport (effeminate play as at Mount Sinai and by David moving the ark) yourselves? against whom make ye a wide mouth, and draw out the tongue? are ye not CHILDREN of transgression, a seed of falsehood, Isaiah 57:4

These infiltrating Canaanites weren't part of Yahweh's own vine, for they never were any part of true Israel. They had secured positions of wealth and power in Israel and Judah. They were corrupting the nation so that it was no longer bearing the sort of fruit, which Yahweh expected from His vine.

These Canaanite infiltrators are also the same people against whom Yahweh spoke in Isaiah 57:3-4. In the Hebrew He calls these Canaanites, "children of inborn transgression, and a false seed."
    Sport is: Anag (g6028) aw-nag'; a prim. root; to be soft or pliable, i. e. (fig.) effeminate or luxurious: - delicate (-ness), (have) delight (self), sport self.

    Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness. Is.55:2

    I have likened the daughter of Zion to a comely and delicate woman. Je.6:2

    Sachaq (h7832) saw-khak'; a prim. root; to laugh (in pleasure or detraction); by impl. to play: - deride, have in derision, laugh, make merry, mock (-er), play, rejoice, (laugh to) scorn, be in (make) sport.

    "And the people celebrated this feast with burnt-offerings and thank-offerings, with eating and drinking, i.e. with sacrificial meals and sports, or with loud rejoicing, shouting, antiphonal songs, and dances, in the same manner in which the Egyptians celebrated their feast of Apis (Herod. 2, 60, and 3, 27)." (Keil and Delitzsch, Vol. II, p. 222).

    "The triumphal hymn of Moses had unquestionably a religious character about it; but the employment of music in religious services, though idolatrous, is more distinctly marked in the festivities which attended the erection of the golden calf." (Smith's Bible Dictionary, Music, p. 589).

The Jewish clergy wer identified as children of the Devil who "spoke of himself" and as "seed of the vipers."

Isa 57:10 Thou art wearied in the greatness of thy way; yet saidst thou not, There is no hope: thou hast found the life of thine hand; therefore thou wast not grieved.
Isa 57:16 For I will not contend for ever, neither will I be always wroth: for the spirit should fail before me, and the souls which I have made.
Isa 57:17 For the iniquity of his covetousness was I wroth, and smote him: I hid me, and was wroth, and he went on frowardly in the way of his heart.

Isa 57:18 I have seen his ways, and will heal him: I will lead him also, and restore comforts unto him and to his mourners.

Isa 57:19 I create the fruit of the lips; Peace, peace to him that is far off, and to him that is near, saith the Lord; and I will heal him.

Isa 57:20 But the wicked [disturb, make trouble] are like the troubled sea,
when it CANNOT rest, whose waters cast up mire and dirt.


Isa 57:21 There is no peace, saith my God, to the wicked.


PSALLO is a WARFARE or POLLUTED word to SILENCE the music and other pagan rituals in the EKKLESIA and confine them to the AGORA where they sold speeches, poems, songs, musical performance and bodies of male performers.

 
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Anonymous

71.153.26.71

Ken

March 21 2007, 6:32 PM 

Everyone is titled to their opinion, so here is mine....

I am really concerned about Ken. It seems he has a lot of good info and yet a lot of time on his hands. Ken Sublett has become a celebrity on this forum. Everyone knows his name. Everytime I see a comment -I scroll through it because I think he must spend 24/7 on this site. There are plenty of self promotional websites out there like My Space.com. I urge christians everywhere, whether you agree or disagree with him, to lift him up in prayer.

A lot of interested non-christians read these forums and it's sad and unfortunate that it seems more important to make a point based on opinion rather than reaching out to spread the love of Jesus. I'm sure there will be a long winded response about this. I'm not judging.

We are called to love one another - God did not give us a list of do's and dont's when it comes to worshipping and praising him.
What truly is the goal of this forum?

If I didn't know the truth and love of Jesus and I had never been to church ---- I can't say that after reading all this bickering that I would ever go. I grew up in Church of Christ and one thing I remember vividly is "How will it look to others?"

How does this forum look to others? People are watching. It's shameful and we will all answer for it. Just because you aren't seen doesn't mean you are not heard. We will answer on the day of judgement for being a stumbling block to others.

 
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Kenneth Sublett

66.82.9.49

Re: Ken

March 22 2007, 9:56 PM 

Read response elsewhere.

I believe that it was Rubel Shelly who quoted (joke folks)

"If you LOVE Jesus then burn down the church house."

I don't' recommend it but that is wat JESUS DID as the Spirit OF Christ. Is there a message there?

Why does our masked man believe that it is LOVE to twist all of the Biblical text about MUSIC?

Why is it a HATE CRIME to post long biblical and historical passages which REFUTES the false teaching in ALL of the churches that MUSIC was ever used by God's people for spiritual Worship?

Why is it LOVE to use the CURSE of ANATHEMA of God turning Israel over to worship the STARRY HOST (Acts 7 which got Stephen murdered by the house clergy) in order to say that GOD COMMANDS INSTRUMENTAL PRAISE and WE SHOLD NOT BE DISOBEDIENT?

Why is it a SIN NOT to use instrments in these END TIMES when the same clan sees visions, hears audible voices and has the "spirit" person tell them to SOW DISCORD when ALL who went before them HEARD the Spirit in the Word where Jesus put it (John 6:63) and concluded that MUSIC was pagan idolatry. This was based on direct outlawing and minimal common sense and decency by the TINY REMNANT who can read BLACK TEXT on WHITE paper and understand that Qahal, synagogue, Ekklesia is a school for speaking THAT WHICH IS WRITTEN.

I see the LOVE thingy as psychological violence to marginalize those OF TRUTH and OF FAITH to make people believe--as they taught in Seattle--that those who would oppose instruments would enslave you (the blacks) if they could. Now, you twist ALL of God's Word for fun and Profit and define those who teach the TRUTH as NOT HAVING LOUVEEE-UH IN YORE HART-UH. Forget it: just too juvenile.

"I bombed your Tower and because you OPPOSE use we gonna bomb your TOWER." Haven't we heard that over and over? Exposing already-brain damaged youth to "music" and making the MUSIC IS WORSHIP hard wire connection is INFINITELY worse than watching a young girl being raped in the middle of the street: Where is YOUR love for truth and the physical and emotional health of your children you are USING as an excuse to do your own thingy? Why isn't YOUR swerving from the TRUTH much more damaging to the BROTHER HOOD than posting TEXT which you cannot and will not refute. Why should ANYONE trust their children't education money to ELDERS when there are several examples (my hometown, Seattle, etc) of them DIVERTING the monies to THEIR OWN special purposes. This is the WORST kind of betrayal of trust and if God ran the courts they would be breaking up rocks and they WILL fare worse by and by. The MUSIC is the trumpet message of "sad, sad that bitter wail, almost BUT LOST."

Tell the watching world (as if you had posted your name) why YOU believe that the command of David and the COMMANDERS OF THE ARMY is the DIRECT COMMAND for "instrumental praise" (whatever that means). That will restore faith that one person knows a DITCH when they hit it.

 
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Merideth

65.183.61.38

Instrumental Worship

March 23 2007, 11:04 AM 

I'm sorry, Mr. Sublett, but I do not agree with most of your postings.

First, they are too long and hard to understand. Second, I feel you try to make many of your 'opinions', scriptural that are a far stretch. I think you are sometimes looking for a needle in a haystack, but the needle isn't even there.

Try listening with an open mind to what some are saying on this forum. I have listened with an open mind to the Rev. Rick Atchley's (www.rhchurch.org) both/and church messages and I find no problem with them. I've listened to all three weeks where he talks about many wonderful eye opening and thought provocing things that are bringing freedom to the church. I see no issue with instruments or Saturday night worship. God is so much bigger than all the doctorinal bondage many churches keep their people in. Can you honestly belive God would be offended by instrumental worship or that you worship on a Saturday? You make God sound so small.

Jesus came to free us from that bondage and make us alive in Him.

 
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74.13.88.197

Let's Be Like Christ

April 14 2007, 1:15 PM 

I'm very concerned about the division that occurs because of this website. This whole concerned members things should be deleted, and here's why.

As far as I know, each "Church of Christ" is independent - not part of a greater denomination. So what is happening at one specific church or congregation is none of anyone elses business. If you are not a member of the Richland Hills Church then you have no right to talk about what's going on there. If you are, and are concerned about it, then discuss it with your shepherds. Sit down and have a Bible study with them. Pray about it. Look at it through the eyes of Jesus. Don't waste your time with gossip and slander on this website, that's not what Jesus called you to do.

Jesus calls us to LIVE HIM to a world that is so desperately in need of him. Let's get our focus off of the hour on Sunday morning and look at the rest of time.

Personally, I prefer to worship without instruments on Sunday morning. I attend a Church that meets on Sunday. BUT, it is not my place to judge another church that chooses to hold Saturday Night instrumental worship. I'm sure they have studied it, and have devoted it to much prayer.

Our job as Christians is NOT to put down other Christians because of the way they do things. Let's stop being so legalistic and start living the way Jesus lived. Let's get involved in our own churches rather than putting down others. Let's build up our fellow Christians, and IF we have a problem with something they are doing, let's speak with them personally about it, and handle the issue in a mature way, using God's word.

Let's be more Spirit-led and loving toward each other so that we can bring Jesus to the rest of the world.

 
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69.19.14.18

Silence me by REFUTING me. I am not cowardly.

April 15 2007, 3:54 PM 

If we start practicing like Jesus practiced we will CAST OUT the musical ministrels LIKE DUNG. We will use the PSALLO rope to DRIVE those using "the LAW OF GIVING" out of what was never more than a HOUSE OF PRAYER because God repudiated animal consumption as Spirit. We will have him CAST OUT the "pipers, singers and dancers" to the Agora or Marketplace. That was where all POLLUTANTS such as pagan temples, singers, instrumentalists, sodomites, rhetorical speakers and sellers of radishes and young boys were quarantined. The PSALLO rope was used to DRIVE everyone out of the NEW STYLE WORSHIP and into the ekklesia--for education only--leaving the MARK of the polluted psallo rope. We might STAND UP and read the Word (as commanded for the synagogue in the wilderness) and then have the UNcommon decency to SIT DOWN. I could go on and on and I MIGHT do that. For heaven's sake we might even GO and preach for "that is why Jesus went out" to generally TEACH in the synagogue or "church" and PREACH out where the sermons had NOT been heard or perverted.

Readers of this website including MANY DENOMINATIONS understand that it exists BECAUSE of false preachers working collectively to restructure churches of Christ and force the introduction of "worship teams" and then "instrumental music." Those who refuse to look at the TWISTED or CROOKED scripture as rebutted by Scripture quoted in context and defined by the "story line" have led the charge to label as SOWERS OF DISCORD those who teach the facts which can be understood with Remedial Reading Grade 6. Based on the papers and books published out of the Preacher Plants I can understand that any new facts which do not fit the PATTERN will be seen as heresy. But Jesus spoke to the crooked generation in "parables" to prevent them from getting the message. Thus, they would storm ahead as Scribes and Pharisees and Hypocrites All which Jesus defined as slick willie speakers, singers and instrument players. As a result, the decent literate people would see them as a LAUGHING STOCK as people saw the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai. My thesis is that not one Preacher Mill Product understands the difference between The Book of the Covenant and The Book of the Law imposed BECAUSE of musical idolatry of the trinity. That is why people can see Hezekiah's Reform as a COMMAND FOR INSTRUMENTAL PRAISE and threaten that WE MUST NOT DISOBEY. That is why DISCIPLES of Christ laugh.

Therefore, as reminded in one of the three "thesis sermons" people were warned NOT to oppose the elders who, as we know are NOT the leaders as defined by the old Pyramidal structure. It is a fact that the GROUP of which Richland has been a founding member uses the postmodern thesis that to CHANGE people you must dissociate them or drive them into schizophrenia. While they pour out a torrent or RACCA words against ANTI-instrumental churches of Christ the DESIRED RESULT is that no one will question them whatever they are asked to drink. This, of course, is psychological violence well docmented. It is well defined by Lynn Anderson who uses terms out of Wicca or Neo-Paganism.

Paul's outlawing of "creating mental excitement" points to DEMAGOGUES who appease crowds with the performing arts, heretics and Kleptomai. Kleptomania always existed as many Disciples were converted to Warriors to "take the south for the society and organ within 5 years." Other "Christians" sending Rifles South: "One rifled gun will do more to help the South than a hundred Bibles."

That always existed but got fired up again by the founding of the Stone Campbell Movement. The thesis is that non-instrumental churches of Christ became an ANTI-instrumental or Vocal Teaching-only SECTARIANISM. This, they claim was based on ignorant, southern, red-necked hypocrites (sure, I can point out these and more RACA words). They are neither Biblically, historically or Restoration Movement literate. As a PRODUCT of such false teachings, it is THEIR obligation to force peaceable churches of Christ to CONFORM or CONFIRM.
    Conformmeans that you restore UNITY by restoring INSTRUMENTS which broke any unity which existed. Their unity is CAPITULATION to what all literate Bible readers know to be condemned and as SOURCED by Satan or Lucifer.

    Confirm means that you will "shut your mouth" and quit teaching what YOU, the Bible and most of recorded History has taught.

A half decade ago, Rick Atchley spreading the PATTERNISM "OUTSIDE OF HIS CONGREGATIONAL AUTONOMY" stated thusly:
    "The Unity Imperative," and he opened with the declaration,
      "I want to see in my lifetime, our fellowship reunited,
      and I INTEND to do all that I can to see that that HAPPENS" (p. 1).
Of course what little fellowship existed in meeting in the same building was BROKEN by sowing discord with instruments. It is a fact that Rick may BELIEVE his misleaders about the "once upon the time in the west UNITY."

Next, Rick confessed that he was "holding in" his hidden agenda for a decade (as I remember). That is, for a decade he INTENDED to preach all of the TWISTED prooftexts fed to him by the NACC. That is why everyone knew that was his intentions. One poster noted that the DISCORD went back at least 12 years. An INTENTIONAL plan to sow discord is a PREMEDITATED plan with a HIGH HAND. That is why The Book of Enoch and numerous other commentaries prove that MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS have been RESERVED as a MARK of those who reject the Word and are beyond redemption.

Well, we know that UNITY means that YOU MUST begin to USE instruments so that the Christian Churches will not feel unwelcome. In Seattle, Milton Jones achieved UNITY by adding instrumental music with a 'ROCK' (that "F" word). I just don't see why all of the women don't wear burkas, shut their mouth and achieve UNITY witl Al Queda.

The so-called UNITY MEETINGS involved PRO-instrumental church of Christ preachers betraying their feeders in CONTEST with PRO-instrumental 'christian' churrches under the NACC. By financing BETRAYERS to write and wander the country trying to DIVERT peaceable churches of Christ, Richland Hills is FINANCING their mandate to work in SYNC with the INFILTRATORS from the NACC.

For this noisy TEACHER OF TRUTH this evil influence has been that preachers lie, cheat and steal the "church houses of widows" from Seattle to the high hills of Middle Tennessee. Therefore, you seek to RESERVE a world-wide false teaching for those who REJECT the Word and therefore do not think that twisting is lying. At the same time, you seek to muzzle the offended who remember the mandate to "GO into all the world and preach the gospel." Teaching does not undermind autonomy: infiltrating and diverting DOES undermine autonomy because they plan to use the Purpose Driven Cult to train and plant church diverters. As Rubel Shelly notes of the emerging church, we must have ONE GROUP MENTALITY and they intend to shut the mouths. Didn't they shut up the Deacons in Texas?

From the beginning, you should understand that the Disciples got their thrust as Carpet-baggers making an organized LUNG to suck up all "churches of Christ" who were never "organized" or "musical." The vagrant women enlisted the Standard to send an Evangelists South to convert the ignorant southerners. That meant that control and literature would be supplied by the denominational publishing house. The Christian church's J. H. Garrison said:

"We come now to the consideration of the very latest of these efforts to give visible and tangible expression to the growing
    unity of the Church, for the double purpose of
    utilizing this unity in the service of our common Master, and of
    promoting a still closer unification of the religious forces of Christendom.
Not VERY ambitious would you say. That is the NEW Purpose Driven Goal of the NACC with a few dupes.

I have an original copy of the Centennial Edition of the Declaration and Address which defines the DENOMINATION which no NON-INSTRUMENTAL church ever belonged to. This is what the later Christian Church organization STILL SUPPORTED when churches of Christ refused to be COUNTED as CAPTURED.

This began with state branches which would grow up to a "federation movement" of the world. Garrison established a set of rules to be

The first meeting was to occur in 1908 and "unity" was based on the high standard of 2/3 vote of the "in" members.
"In case this plan of federation is approved by two-thirds of the proposed constituent bodies the executive committee of the
    National Federation of Churches and Christian Workers, which has called this conference,
    is requested to call the Federal Council to meet at a fitting place in December, 1908.
While the 'Christian Churches SECTARIANIZED OUT of the Disciples in 1926, they have restored the Disciples LINGO to try either to COLLECT churches of Christ or drive them into discord and then MARGINALIZE them as they often do in this forum.

"What is the meaning of these facts if it be not that God is calling us to ultimate unity through the method of co-operation in all things wherein we are agreed?
    Can any religious body justify its holding aloof from this step toward unity on the ground
    that it has received special light on the subject of union and occupies more advanced ground than others?

    "To refuse assent to, and co-operation with, this movement toward unity on the plea that it is not the ideal unity of the New Testament,
    would be to ignore the whole law of progressive development in the kingdom of God.
That is the HIGH CHURCH confession which the HIRELING-CHANGELINGS confess to using because ALL TRUTH got lost about Y2K--but "we gonna find the NEW truth in partnership with God."

http://www.piney.com/RMNoSo.html

Now CONGREGATIONAL AUTONOMY is radically violated when HIRELING-CHANGLINGS conspire to recruiit and train preachers to send them home believing the INSTRUMENTAL proof texts which we can prove are 100% PERVERSIONS of the context and story line and intent: they GIVE them divine permission to DO that. Rubel Shally says TAKE LIBERTIES to write yourself in as a Moses or more powerful Christ.

Now, the JESUS principle is to GO PREACH the gospel. Since none of the SOWERS OF DISCORDERS intend to GO and bleed off all of the FINANCES from the honest evangelists, MY commission which was NOT QUITE verbal but a heavy hand was to GO preach the TRUTH the way Paul commanded the elders (only): "Teach that which HAS BEEN TAUGHT and REFUTE ERROR."

So, why not take ONE of Ricks proof texts and report back. How about the Hezekiah Plague Stopping Animal sacrifice I assure you that all of the ANTI-instrumental preachers also THINK that God commanded instruments but CHANGED HIS MIND. False. Please feel obligated to respond.

This is SHORTER than a sermon twisting Scripture and cost about a thousand bucks less. If I could get you UP with a musical worship team you would fall down and WORSHIP ME.

 
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217.172.33.72

Re: Silence me by REFUTING me. I am not cowardly.

April 16 2007, 1:56 PM 

Ken,
Do you not agree that we should be living as Jesus lived? Before you respond, ask yourself honestly, how would Jesus respond. You seem to mock such an idea, but that is exactly what the Bible calls us to do.

I would like to ask by what authority you condemn these churches by, or even, those who use intrumental music. I don't want a big long, complicated, intellectual answer, because I won't understand that. I want a short, simple answer to my question.

I think that perhaps we need to change the way we look at things. I struggle with this myself. We NEED to study JESUS more intently - that is who we claim to be disciples of, is it not?

Jesus meets people where THEY are at, specific to the individual. This has nothing to do with practices in Sunday worship or of any church. In has to do with the love of Christ.

So, let's all try and get along and follow Jesus to the best of our ability. You aren't perfect, Ken - neither am I, in fact, if God was judging me based on the things that I've done, I would have been condemned a long time ago - and no one else is perfect. The best we can do is try to imitate Jesus.

In Christian Love,
A Follower of Jesus

 
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69.19.14.40

Just told you

April 28 2007, 9:58 AM 

I just told you: Jesus used the PSALLO rope to DRIVE the 'takers of connections" out of the temple grounds which was only for prayer.

He CAST OUT the Musical Minstrels LIKE DUNG.

He consigned THAT generation marked by "piping, singing and dancing" to the Agora or marketplace.

The marketplace or Agora was the ONLY place for public performance speaking, singing, playing instruments, burning animals, selling young boys and radishes (CDs).

The PSALLO rope is NOT musical but a warfare word: The same polluted rope was used to DRIVE the slackers FROM the Agora and to the EKKLESIA (synagogue, not church) which permitted only speaking and dialog. The speakers, singers and musicians who dallied would have the MARK on them when they got to "church" and would be held in contempt.

The church in the wilderness outlawed singing and instruments, the synagogue practiced it, Jesus built HIS ekklesia or synagogue which all literates such as the Campbells called A school of the Bible.

NO ONE can add musicians or instruments without having the MARK John identified of the Mother of Harlots (Rev 17) who USED music and MUSICIANS whom John called SORCERERS without DELIBERATELY lying to bring the MARKETPLACE into the School of the Bible. I have compared most of the "proof texts" people use to claim thagt God COMMANDED INSTRUMENTAL PRAISE and WE would be disobedient if we DID NOT do it.

My authority is based on the fact that YOU have been the complicit ENABLER of a small band of men who set out--I will always believe--as a psychological experiment using the tricks of Machiavelli (confessed) which are the identical methods defined by Hitler. Because none of them can tell the truth about ANY of the Biblical or historical evidence the ASSERT, I do not accept them as being CHRIST-LIKE or even minimally ethical of the mobsters who would ever drive widows out of their church homes. Spurgeon defined them. Whatever their ethical mores they are NOT following Jesus Christ. And frankly, my dear, some have confessed to not believing anything but a few CORE statements about the Bible and have "taken liberty" to rewrite it.

My authority is based on the fact that my church homes from Seattle to Tennessee have been DELIBERATELY discorded by this small band of merry men who INTENTIONALLY (as they say) set out to RESTRUCTURE churches of Christ into MUSICAL churches but not those the Christian Church would endorse other than as dupable dupes--OF WHICH you are a complict enabler. If THEY get the authority to hold mass meetings (the Hitler scheme) too CLAIM overwhelming ACCEPTANCE when I know that no one has CHANGED from their hidden agenda--the I get the authority to TEST their universally false claims by quoting the Bible and all known facts which repudiate them.

My authority is that Jesus sent ME into all the world to preach RELEASE of the captive FROM what you are enabling WITHOUT being a corrupter of the Word (adulterer or selling knowledge at retail).

You are a complicit ENABLER of a person who had a long AGENDA to bond churches of Christ BACK into the Christian church when the BIG LIE is that churches of Christ were never kissing kin to the Disciples or the later-than-churches of Christ 'Christian Church" c. 1926. As long as YOU are the SENDING sourse of utterly false and destructive ANTI-Biblical knowledge, everyone has the right to REFUTE that. As I listened to the tapes YOU do not have the authority to even question YOUR elders whom YOU did not select.

To keep you from DIVERTING as part of the INFILTRATING ploy by shooting the messenger, All of the readers would give you the assignment of asking ANY elder (the more scholarly the better) to POST on this forum and CONFIRM tht they believe and can EXPLAIN any ONE of the false claims. Part of the Hireling-Changeling CODE OF CONDUCT (I know) was to NEVER respond to the cheap seats.

Finally, The GOSPEL is "come to me all ye that labor and I will give you REST." And of the twos and threes "come learn of me." REST is the same as SABBATH and outlaws "speaking your own words" sending out ministers, READ and REHERSING the Word: more than that comes of sin. REST or PAUL uncludes "STOP the speaking, STOP thesinging, STOP the music." YOU are ENABLING those who REFUSE to go and do not even have a GO button while honest evangelists cant get support unless they have the universal PERSONA of a THEATRICAL performer whom Jesus identified as the HYPOCRITES.

Lots of people have grasped that EVANGELISM has passed out of the hands of the NEVER-LAWFUL institutes and into the hands of individuls who PAY to speak the truth.

By what authority WOULD try to gag me?

 
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Praying For YOU

68.19.213.214

CAST OUT

June 1 2007, 2:32 PM 

WHere does the Bible say "He CAST OUT the Musical Minstrels LIKE DUNG." ?

 
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Matt

68.189.222.83

Awesome

April 28 2007, 8:21 AM 

I have been to NRHCOF and I love it! I never thought I would see the day. It is awesome, It's about time someone steps up to the plate. Way to go to the Elders at NRHCOF. The SNL group at the AZLE chruch of christ is 100% behind them!
Matt Cook Deacon Azle Chruch Of Christ

 
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72.150.117.5

“It is awesome” vs. “I am in awe of the Lord”

April 28 2007, 9:20 AM 

Matt,

For those who need to know:

  • What is NRHCOF?
  • Whose plate is in reference here?
  • Which way are the elders at NRHCOF going?
  • What is the SNL group—is that “Saturday Night Live”?
  • How close behind NRHCOF is the Azle church?
  • Do you know the difference between “it is awesome” and “in awe of the Lord”?

Donnie


 
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69.19.14.40

Awsome! A MARK, warning, warning!

April 28 2007, 10:42 AM 

Donnie this reminded me of your now-elder who as hostile takeover agent fell into that awesome stuff which ALWAYS says more than people reall want to say. Things like Awesome and Wow are SHIBOLETHS.

I looked up my AWESOME stuff posted here:

http://www.piney.com/MuAwesomeGod.html

Kinda reminds you that God ALWAYS gives us a WAY of escape of we have EYES and EARS.
For instance, we know that ZOE is LUCIFER as the Mother of Gods and that
SHE was unleashed at just the right time so that we can read John in Revelation 17
to identify the Mother of Harlots and then see singers and musicians identified as
SORCERERS in Revelation 18.

 
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Anonymous

65.183.61.38

Praise The Lord

May 1 2007, 4:08 PM 

Matt,
I am a member of Richland Hills Church of Christ and know people who attend the Azle Church of Christ. I am so happy about the addition on the Saturday night service with instruments and I know it has enhanced my worship experience. There is freedom in Christ!
Take care!

 
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no name

65.68.205.194

Oh Ken

April 30 2007, 9:01 PM 

Ken,

I believe you need to calm down. God loves us all no matter what opinons we have and thats all that we need to know. Please stop posting such crude posts. Thank You.

 
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69.19.14.16

Calm, Perfect Peace: Stay away from Burden Laders: it's free and fun.

May 6 2007, 4:28 PM 

I thought that YOU would like to see YOURSELVES as God and all respectable people saw males who did those things because everyone knew that they were parasites: they spread plague even back then.

I like the picture of the Judas Bag which was ALWAYS connected to a FLUTE CASE which was connected to a male usually drunk--always perverted:

These were the ones Jesus referred to when He said that THIS GENERATION is like children PIPING trying to get others into the mood to sing and dance. Jesus would Bow and will not now even though all musicators claim to help you KNOW Jesus PERSONALLY.

Pr 1:25 But ye have set at nought all my counsel,
and would none of my reproof:

Pr 1:26 I also will laugh at your calamity;
I will mock when your fear cometh;

Pr 1:27 When your fear cometh as desolation,
and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind;
when distress and anguish cometh upon you.

Pr 1:29 For that they hated knowledge,
and did not choose the fear of the LORD:
Pr 1:30 They would none of my counsel:
they despised all my reproof.

Pr 1:31 Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way,
and be filled with their own devices.

Pr 1:32 For the turning away of the simple [seducible, silly children] shall slay them,
and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them.
Pr 1:33 But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely,
and shall be quiet from fear of evil.


Peter said to be baptized and save yourselves FROM this crooked generation of Skolion Singers.

Luke 7:31 And the Lord said, Whereunto then shall I liken the men of this generation? and to what are they like?

They are like unto children sitting in the marketplace, and calling one to another, and saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned to you, and ye have not wept. Luke 7:32


Of course, all of the slick speakers, singers, dancers, musicians, prostitutes and sodomites were ROPED OFF to the Marketplace by the PSALLO rope: NOT musical unless you are a CHILD from which we get paiderastiia. Anyone so MARKED by the PSALLO ROPE would be MARKED when they were FORCED to go to the ekklesia (church) for INSTRUCTION ONLY as every literate knows as the meaning of SYNAGOGUE or EKKLESIA where CIRCE (circus) was NOT desent:

Socrates: Then can you say what are the pursuits which effect this? Or rather, if you like, when I ask you, and one of them seems to you to be of this class, say yes, and when one does not, say no. And first lett us consider flute-playing. Does it not seem to you one of this sort,

[501e] Callicles, aiming ONLY at our pleasure, and caring for naught else?


Literacy 101a knows that in Greek and Latin this SELF pleasure OUTLAWED by Paul as he connected it to the REPROACHES (exposing the pudenda) prophesied of Jesus Christ. These words are DEDICATED to outlaw "singing, dancing, instruments, rhetoricians or any scenic display" which DIVERTED the mind TO the always perverted "players" (hee haw)

Callicles: It does seem so to me.

Socrates: And so too with all similar pursuits, such as harp-playing in the contests?

Callicles: Yes.

Socrates: And what of choral productions and dithyrambic compositions? Are they not manifestly, in your view, of the same kind? Or do you suppose Cinesias,1 son of Meles, cares a jot about trying to say things of a sort that might be improving to his audience,


Agora or marketplace was for sex, lies and Rock and Roll (the "F" thingy you do on Saturn's Day meaning 666). The ekklesia was for "improving the audience."
<>Cinesias gives us the name Kinesis and that brings us to the STABLE at Grace Centered (Grace=Charis a brown-eyed Greek prostitute meaning Charismatic unless you let Paul give it a sexual RE-ASSIGNMENT). Fred Peatross gives us THE EMERGING CHURCH OF CHRIST a theme at Tulsa Soul Stealing Workshop:

http://www.piney.com/FPRSpectacle.html

This will tell you a lot about Kinesis or "moving in harmony." They LOVE to lie and tell you that the church Fathers had nothing bad to say about instrumental music in worship and YOU LOVE TO HAVE IT SO. Here is some Clement.

http://www.piney.com/FathRecClemBIV.html#name=%22LOC_P2262_651762%22

Certain angels, having left the course of their proper order, began to favour the vices of men, [Comp. Homily VIII. 13.-R.]
and in some measure to lend unworthy aid to their lust,
in order that by these means they might indulge their own pleasures the more;
and then, that they might not seem to be inclined of their own accord
to unworthy services, taught men that demons could, by certain arts-that is,
by magical invocations-be made to obey men;
and so, as from a furnace and workshop of wickedness,
they filled the whole world with the smoke of impiety, the light of piety being withdrawn.


The book of Enoch, Jubilees and others PROVES that it was FALLEN ANGELS who seduced the YOUTH or CHILDREN into forming choirs, using instruments, "putting on of apparel" etc to seduce people into the CAINITE (from a musical note) valley. Once they have fallen they will NEVER GET BACK UP: They have you PINNED TO THE MAT and what they are doing to you "spiritually" looks just like the pictures.

Oh! That PUDENDA Word: not to worry because no one with a Babble Degree will know what it means. ALL singers and musicians in ancient paganism were PROUD to perform as the HAREM OF THE GODS. If there be EVIL spirits then the LITERATURE says that they are massaging you to PRESENT you for intercourse with DEMONS. They TELL you that that feeling which we know to be SEXUAL is leading you into the presence of SUMBUDDY! The Vineyard lady promises that the New Style Music will lead you into a SEXUAL-LIKE CLIMAX with god (a generic word). All pagan prophesiers and early revivalist churchy music flowed out of Voodoo and they CLAIM that without the music the spirit will not COME.

http://www.piney.com/DocEuripBacc.html

"And Euripides does likewise, in his Bacchae, citing the Lydian usages at the same time with those of Phrygia, because of their similarity:

But ye who left Mt. Tmolus (Sardis was on this mt.), fortress of Lydia,
revel-band of mine, women whom I brought from the land of barbarians as my assistants and travelling companions,

uplift the tambourines native to Phrygian cities, inventions of mine and mother Rhea.

And again, happy he who, blest man, initiated in the mystic rites, is pure in his life, . . . who, preserving the righteous ORGIES of the great mother Cybele, and brandishing the thyrsus on high, and wreathed with ivy, doth worship Dionysus.

Come, ye Bacchae, come, ye Bacchae, bringing down (double entendre) Bromius, (boisterous one) god the CHILD of god, out of the Phrygian mountains into the broad highways of Greece.


And Rubel Shelly cries:

"Come Holy Spirit, come, make us truly new creatures in Christ"

http://www.piney.com/RsHsJn16.html

Sorry bout that: there is NO OTHER KNOWN CONNECTION. Since Apollo or the Apollyon promised in Revelation along with his Muses (Locusts) is the "father of the twanging bow to send SINGING arrows into your HEART (or love arrows), the father of THIEVES and the father of LIARS" and the promoter of homosexual love where the harp PLUCKERS were "seducing" a CHILDREN in the marketplace, how can you KNOW that you have not been TRANSPORTED into his BROTHEL for save keeping?

Since the Mother of Harlots (Lucifer, Zoe etc) in Revelation 17 uses music and USES musicians as SORCERERS in Revelation 18 and MUSIC always does bewitchment or sorcery, it SEEMS to me that the SILENCE for the "conservatives" means that maybe Satan also has THEIR tongue because A capella means "ala castratos."

 
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66.82.9.105

MUSICAL "worship" and the DUNG connection.

June 1 2007, 7:55 PM 

The sacrificial musicians made noise and SERVICE is defined as HARD BONDAGE: a word having the same meaning as the Abaddon in the book of Revelation. The horrors of the slaughter of innocent animals, the sound, the smell of blood, the smell of dung and of burning flesh (where David's instruments sounded) could not be tolerated without the DIVERSION of loud music. As in all pagan sacrificial systems the musicians were called PARASITES because they lived off the temple (when on duty). When the sacrificial systems ran out of power the musicians continued to want to get paid as musicians: that is why a guitarIST was still called a PARASITE.

God knew that ALL of us can read the Word and become disciples. He also knew that there is never a KEY MAN in the kingdom competent to sermonize in the sense of cutting N pasting passages which defines MOST preaching. Therefore, from beginning to the end God demands that we just leave Scripture where it lies and become mutual disciplers.

The danger, as Paul and Peter warned, is that if anyone is allowed to DEVIATE it is first a MARK of what Peter called a CORRUPTER of the word which means "sell learning at retail" which word also means adultery.

That means that neither of us has SEEN or HEARD about an ekklesia which is what Jesus established as a SYNAGOGUE or school of the Bible. That is what the Campbells tried to restore.

IF we were Old Testament literate we would not try to restore what was God's abandonment of Israel to "worship the starry host."
Reading in Egyptian and other history would let people know the nature of their worship and how DUNG had such a deep meaning to people. The Abomination we see in connection with the people just across the Red Sea was a continuation of SUN worship along with other stars and planets. Rubel Shelly suggests that we think of the S.U.N. god instead of the S.O.N. God. Lucado's COSMIC CHRISTMAS carries the same gnostic theme.

One of their friends notes that it was Max Lucado and Rubel Shelly who promoted a NEO-trinity which had been rejected by all known history in the sense of THREE PERSONAL BEINGS. By CUTTING UP the Godhead they CLAIM that the SPIRIT person guides the through VISIONS and AUDIBLE VOICES. The people at Richalnd claimed such a direct operation:

Clement in Stromata used by the False Teachers to lie TO God and ABOUT God notes of Mount Sinai as Egyptian worship of the TRIAD under Apis, the golden calf:
The Beetle, cap. iv. p. 449, note 6.

Cicero notes the scarabus on the tongue, as identifying Apis, 244 the calf-god of the Egyptians Now, this passage of our author seems to me to clear up the Scriptural word gillulimin Deuteronomy 29:17, where the English margin reads, literally enough, dungy-gods. The word means, things rolled about (Leviticus 26:30; Habakkuk 2:18, 19; 1 Kings 15:12); on which compare Leighton (St. Peter, PP. 239, 746, and note). Scripture seems to prove that this story of Clement's about the beetle of the Egyptians, was known to the ancient Hebrews, and was the point in their references to the gillulim (see Herod., book iii. cap. 28., or Rawlinson's Trans., vol. ii. 353). The note in Migne ad loc. is also well-worthy to be consulted.

Gilluwl (g1544) ghil-lool'; or (short.) gillul ghil-lool'; from 1556; prop. a log (as round); by impl. an idol: - idol

Galal (h1556) gaw-lal'; a prim. root; to roll (lit. or fig.): - commit, remove, roll (away, down, together), run down, seek occasion, trust, wallow.


Gilgal where the WENT TO SIN in Amos is Gilgal.

The Jews called Jesus Beelzebub or Beel-zebul which in Hebrew meant DUNG GOD. Having identified him thusly they could MUSICALLY MOCK Him to death when THEY were the ones FEEDING the "Lord of the flies" duing their animal sacrifices with LOUD MUSIC or nosie to drive off the evil spirits: that is why if you are MAKING MUSIC in the face of God you have returned beyond the cross and have to endure the blood and dung.

And when Jesus came into the rulers house, and saw the minstrels and the people making a noise, Matt 9:23
He said unto them, Give place: for the maid is not dead, but sleepeth. And they laughed him to scorn (mocked). Matt 9:24

    Aaoidos ( [aeidô]) singer, minstrel, bard, 3. enchanter

    Aoidos singer, MINSTREL, bard, goôn, chrêsmôn aoidos, of the cock,


    ALL singing and INSTRUMENTAL sounds include ENCHANTMENT or SORCERY: if anyone attempts to make you THINK or FEEL a certain word by stroking ALL of your pleasure center nerves they are WITCHES and I think you get only ONE Warlock to ten thousand WITCHES.

    The COCK points to the GALLI or castrated "musical ministrers" of the Mother of Harlots (Cybele, Zoe etc)

    Chrêsmos 1 [chraô3] the answer of an oracle, oracular response, oracle, Solon., Hdt., attic

    Regularly appears with which is Bacchus or Dionysus who was worshipped in the Jerusalem Temple bringing music, sex and homosexuality into the Jerusalem Temple. The concept of Jesus identifying THAT generation as PIPERS in the AGORA trying to make people SING or lament (goon) and DANCE was the INITIATION into that worship where DUNG is part of the initiation and the LOUD MUSIC masks the wailing.
    That is a MARK of the Wimber vineyard which promotes a sexual climas with GOD and the New Wineskins which promotes enthusiasm which is Enthus O mania or the madness of music which ALLOWS the initiation to take place..

    Bakis , idos, ho, Boeotian prophet, Bakides, hoi, soothsayers

    The HORN of the "horny" god has lots of background as a LIFELESS HORN. The word is:

    Auleo (g832) ow-leh'-o; from 836; to play the flute: - pipe.
    In Revelation 17 John pointed to the MOTHER OF HARLOTS and then to the FRUITS which they "lusted after" and fruits always means fruits:

    And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; Re.18:22
In Revelation 18:23 John identifes these musicians as SORCERERS who HAD deceived the whole world.

THESE were the people CLAIMING that they had power to appeas the "dead" girl. In Amos and other places the use of instrumental music was the Marzeah (or pagan Agapae) which was a feast WITH and FOR dead spirits. The minstrels ae identified by the word:
    Auletes (g834) ow-lay-tace'; from 832; a flute- player: - minstrel, piper.
Remembering that the MUSICAL WORSHIP TEAM had MOCKED Jesus and claimed supernatural power which ic claimed by all NEO-pagans claiming to be able to "lead you into the presence of God" or as a FERTILITY RITUAL "increase the numbers and money and SAVE MORE SOULS." I don't know how you could better define yourself FOR ALL TO SEE AND HEAR as the prophesied "Abomination (that dungy thangy) of Desolation" standing in the HOLY PLACES of "church architecture."

But when the people were PUT FORTH, he went in, and took her by the hand, and the maid arose. Matt 9:25

This is a REPEAT of the PATTERNISM of the battle between Elijah an the spoken WORD and the singing, dancing and INSTRUMENTS of the prophets of Baal under JEZEBEL. When Lucifer was CAST AS PROFANE out of heaven and into the garden of Eden as the "singing and harp playing prostitute" the word cHALAL can mean "play the FLUTE, steal your inheritance, pollute or prostitute." The musical MINSTRELS were cast out of the presence of God and INTO the Agora or marketplace where all of the singers, musicians, rhetoricians, pagan temples and the "children" chorus leaders who were used and abused.

When preachers read off their outline or from the latest of what Ezekiel identified as "workshops of evil" they do NOT have a clue to the meaning of specific words. NOR do the grandest of Greek scholars who teach the scholars have a remote clue. That is why ENABLERS cannot hear Jesus saying that "Doctors of the law take away the key to knowledbe."

Put forth is:
    Ekballo (g1544) Ekballoek-bal'-lo; from 1537 and 906; to eject (lit. or fig.): - bring forth, cast (forth, out), drive (out), expel, leave, pluck (pull, take, thrust) out, put forth (out), send away (forth, out).
The Minstrels or musical team were theatrical performers. Therefore, CLAPPING was to put them forth or out. They had no place in the healing presence of Jesus:
    BALLO (g906) bal'-lo; a prim. verb; to throw (in various applications, more or less violent or intense): - arise, cast (out), dung, lay, lie, pour, put (up), send, strike, throw (down), thrust. Comp. 4496.
Why would the Spirit OF Christ allow MUSICIANS to be so compromised by this CODE WORD if your preachers are right that GOD COMMANDED INSTRUMENTAL PRAISE and WE MUST NOT BE DISOBEDIENT? Shouldn''t SOMEONE find SOME text which gives them ANY hope that they are not being driven into hell to the sound of WIND, STRING AND PERCUSSION INSTRUMENTS as Isaiah 30 proves?

One use by the Greeks is:
    Sku-bal-izô, look on as DUNG, reject CONTEMPTUOUSLY, D.H.Orat.Vett. 1, cf. skublizô:--

    Skubalon (g4657) skoo'-bal-on; neut. of a presumed der. of 1519 and 2965 and 906; what is thrown to the dogs, i.e. refuse (ordure): - dung.


    And don't forget that the DOGS and WOLVES who mislead churches were the CYNICS who howled like dogs in their singing style to ATTRACT customers.

    Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, Ph.3:8

    Skulon (g4661) skoo'-lon; neut. from 4660; something stripped (as a hide), i.e. booty: - spoil.

CLAPPING has much the same meaning: By APPLAUDING HIM you EXPLODE HIM:
    EX-PLO-DO (EX-plaudo ), to DRIVE OUT or off by clapping; orig. a scenic word said of a player, to hiss or hoot off, EXPLODE HIM.

    II. Transf. beyond the scenic sphere.
    A. To drive out or away, to CAST OUT,to SCARE AWAY,

These SCENIC presentations are EXACTLY what Paul outlaws by self-pleasure in Romans 15.

Webster:
    To drive from the stage by noisy expressions of disapprobation; to hoot off; to drive away or reject noisily; as, to explode a play.

    Him old and young Exploded, and seized with violent hands. --Milton.
    Explode...to drive out, drive out a player by clapping; ex out+plaudere, plodere, to clap, strike, applaud:

So YOU are mocking Jesus and CLAPPING or HISSING Him out.

So, let us say that all of this is WACKO! Ok. Then if the Spirit OF Christ who spoke through the PROPHETS to condemn music as connected to the WORSHIP OF THE STARRY HOST, did not INVITE the musical minstrels into the PRIVATE space where HE performed HIS healing power as the Great Physican rather than the Great Deceiver?

"Music" caused the fall from grace at Mount sinai. Music was outlawed for the Qahal, synagogue or church in the wilderness. Music is called NOISE in the sacrificial system added as a CURSE and because it is like that of all other nations, it was EXORCISM while the common people met God OUTSIDE THE GATES to hear the WORD which is where YOU will have to go because Jesus Christ WILL NOT be in use of MUSIC to silence His songs and sermons.

Music as a WEAPON or TOOL of "worship" now comes from the same place it came in ALL recorded history: from Satan as the MOTHER OF HARLOTS being worshipped when singers and musicians TAKE YOU CAPTIVE as SORCERERS. A musical instrument is a "machine for doing hard work" or for "producing shock and awe" of SORCERY which seems to be MORE that an myth.

How else can 4,000 people be fooled to enable such an outrage except there is some outbreak of supernatural demonism JUST in time?

MUSIC and DUNG was always the MARK of Lucifer's (ZOE) exercising the Lucifer Principle of "bleeding off worship due only to a holy God." The ABOMINATION left lots of dung in the holy precincts in Jerusalem where the "ministers" of Zeus and Dionysus had to wear the HAT of Hermes (the father of the new "hermeneutic" where even Hermes is used by Shelly as John's model of the LOGOS."

http://www.piney.com/2Macc.html

No The O lite will ever find an exception and you are MARKED

 
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66.82.9.107

Athenian Worship in TEXAS? Paul says REPENT.

June 4 2007, 2:03 PM 

If WE are practicing the Athenian RELIGIONISM then IMPLIED: we should repent.
Richland is promoting the Athenian worship.
Therefore, Richland should repent

Acts 17:23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription,
    TO THE UNKNOWN GOD.
    Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship,
    him declare I unto you.
Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein,
    seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth,
    dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
Acts 17:25 Neither is worshipped
    with mens hands, as though he needed any thing,
    seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
    And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth,
Acts 17:26 and hath determined the times before appointed,
    and the bounds of their habitation;
Acts 17:27 That they should seek the Lord,
    if haply they might feel after him, and find him,
    though he be not far from every one of us:
Acts 17:28 For in him we live,
    and move,
    and have our being;
    as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
Acts 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God,
    we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone,
    graven by art [techne, craftsmanship] and mans device [thinking-inspiration].
Acts 17:30 And the
    times of this ignorance God winked at;
    but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Acts 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day,
    in the which he will judge the world in righteousness
    by that man whom he hath ordained;
    whereof he hath given assurance unto all men,
    in that he hath raised him from the dead.
And Jesus said that his WORD will do the judging: if you have lied TO God and ABOUT God in order to RESTORE Athenian paganism, repentance is probably not an option. Now, what were the Atheniand doing for which they msut REPENT?

Pausanias Description of Greece and the religion of the Marketplace where Jesus CAST the pipers, singers and dancers as well as the collection plates.

http://www.piney.com/ClassPausaniasAttica.html

[1.1.4] The Athenians have also another harbor, at Munychia, with a temple of Artemis of Munychia, and yet another at Phalerum, as I have already stated, and near it is a sanctuary of Demeter. Here there is also a temple of Athena Sciras, and one of Zeus some distance away, and altars of the gods named Unknown

The MISLEADERS held SECRETS which they would reveal when they got you AROUSED with music. The INITIATION was a pain in the rear--if you know what I mean. Jesus implied that the clergy WANTED to pipe and get him to say OUCH and DANCE.

[1.2.5] One of the porticoes contains shrines of gods, and a gymnasium called that of Hermes.
This fits the Abomination of Desolation which forced moral Jews to flee Jerusalem to be replaced by Kenites or Cainites.

http://www.piney.com/2Macc.html

In it is the house of Pulytion, at which it is said that a mystic rite was performed by the most notable Athenians, parodying the Eleusinian mysteries.
But in my time it was devoted to the worship of Dionysus. This Dionysus they call Melpomenus (Minstrel), on the same principle as they call Apollo Musegetes (Apollyon Leader of the Whore Muses).
The MELODY word is MELOS and Psallo is NEVER used of music.

Here there are images of Athena Paeonia (Healer), of Zeus, of Mnemosyne (Memory) and of the Muses, an Apollo, the votive offering and work of Eubulides, and Acratus, a daemon attendant upon Apollo; it is only a face of him worked into the wall.

After the precinct of Apollo is a building that contains earthen ware images, Amphictyon, king of Athens, feasting Dionysus and other gods.

Strabo wrote: 10.3.18]

http://www.piney.com/MuStrabo.html

Just as in all other respects the Athenians continue to be hospitable to things foreign,
    so also in their worship of the gods;
    for they welcomed so many of the foreign rites
    that they were ridiculed therefore by comic writers;
    and among these were the Thracian and Phrygian rites.
For instance, the Bendideian rites are mentioned by Plato, and the Phrygian by Demosthenes,
    when he casts the reproach upon Aeschines' mother and Aeschines himself
    that he was with her when she conducted initiations,
    that he joined her in leading the Dionysiac march,
    and that many a time he cried out "evoe saboe," and "hyes attes, attes hyes";
    for these words are in the ritual of Sabazius and the Mother.
This is the Sabazianism to which God abandoned Israel at Mount Sinai because of MUSICAL IDOLATRY. This is the paganism Richland Hills and a few others have CONFISCATED and told trusting believers that God COMMANDED INSTRUMENTAL PRAISE and they SHOULD NOT DISOBEY. He has TOLD the world that the SPIRIT person has guided the ELDERS and told them to ADD INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC and SABBATH or SABAZIANISM from which RESPECTABLE Jews were QUARANTINED while they SYNAGOGUED.

[10.3.15] They invented names appropriate to the flute,
    and to the noises made by castanets, cymbals, and drums,
    and to their acclamations and shouts of "ev-ah," and stampings of the feet;
    and they also invented some of the names by which to designate the ministers,
    choral dancers, and attendants upon the sacred rites,
    I mean "Cabeiri" and "Corybantes" and "Pans" and "Satyri" and "Tityri," and they called the god "Bacchus," and Rhea [ZOE] "Cybele" or "Cybebe" or "Dindymene" according to the places where she was worshipped. Sabazius also belongs to the Phrygian group and in a way is the child of the Mother, since he too transmitted the rites of Dionysus (This is the ancient Babylonian Triad worship)

These ALL identify those Paul hoped would CASTRATE themselves: homosexual ministers of the "gods.> All MUSICAL or DECEPTION terms point to SORCERIES who used MUSIC and "body worship" to FOOL THE FOOLS.

PAUL COMMANDS ALL MUSICAL WORSHIPERS TO REPENT.

 
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189.166.114.127

Jew now?!

June 5 2007, 6:33 AM 

Hey Kenny. I was noticing from all the info you are providing us about RHCC that you must be attending the Saturday night services regularly. I was just wondering if you were on Jewish time or just filling your "god-given" duties as watch dog? Let me hear from ya! shawn

 
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69.19.14.35

Just faithful FREE preaching for the ten faithful at your church

June 6 2007, 9:01 AM 

I am doing GENERIC preaching and it is free to REPUDIATE the false teachers for whom Paul used the word ROBBERS and Peter called CORRUPTERS OF THE WORD meaning "Selling Learning at Retail." The same word meaning ADULTERY. I know nothing about Richland Hills since they choose not to POST the show. I have notice that there has not been a HUGE GROWTH and the newbies simply replace the OWNERS have the 'church house of widows' swiped out from under them.

I claim to be a WATCHMAN ON THE WALLS but "Dogs" are universally condemned as musicians (called parasites in the sacrificial temples) who would do a singy-clappy song or take care of your carnal needs--to which the word PSALLO is always attached as the NACC books tries to justify their own LEGALISTIC SECTARIANISM. I will preach another free sermon on DOGS (musical howlers) who are lumped with SORCERERS (musicians and slick willy rhetoricians) and LIARS for whom hell was prepared according to Isaiah 30 which proves that the LOUD music is the MARK of the BEAST (Zoe) beating you into hell with the same wind, string and percussion instruments Lucifer--the singing and harp playing prostitute--brought with him/her/it and used to WHOLLY SEDUCE Eve in a sexual sense says Paul. I doubt that it matters since your preacher VIOLATES the direct command to 'teach that which has been taught' and violates the PRIVATE INTERPRETATION meaning FURTHER EXPOUNDING LAW and you can sermonize and versify for 50 years and still be Biblically ignorant.

No one prior to the NACC and their dupes--bribed into swilling ignorance by affirmation for treachery--was every so ignorant or so evil as to say that GOD COMMANDED INSTRUMENTAL PRAISE and imply that NOT DOING SO is disobedience. Not too surprising since PhDuh heads of Bible departments claim that there was NOTHING WRONG with the worship in Amos or Isaiah: they just had a bad mental attituted. Not being able to accept that people can have ever READ the Bible and be so devoid of intellect and basic knowledge, it fits the LEGALISTIC PATTERNISM of the last days defined by Paul and John where they are CHANGE AGENTS of the Mother of Harlots (Rev 17) where the slick-willy rhetoricians, singers and musicians are call SORCERERS. By pointing to Isaiah and Ezekiel, Jesus identified the same Kenite or Cainites occupying Jerusalem as SECTARIAN JEWS, HYPOCRITES.

Rather than the BLATANT LIE that the ANTI-instrumental churches of Christ INVENTED the non-instrumental HERESY by having an "ignorant, southern, rednecked mentality, legalistic, sectarians, patternists" they can find NO ONE in the Bible or known history whom they do not have to LIE ABOUT with a STRAIGHT face while being a CROOKED GENERATION of perverse SKOLION singers. How thousands of people can be so COWED that they will ENABLE such heresy PROVES that someone has power to work SIGNS AND WONDERS as all MUSICAL the rhetoric is proven to be SORCERY. My job is to WITNESS because the question still stands: "Shall He find faith when he returns?"

The Church of Christ (always existing under that name) being literate never used instruments nor did any of the denominations which RESTORED; some following John Campbell who called his goal the RESTORATION OF THE CHURCH.

In The Mode of obtaining the Grace of Christ, Calvin
notes:


9. It is, however, to be carefully observed, that Christian liberty is in all its parts a spiritual matter, the whole force of which consists in giving peace to trembling consciences, whether they are anxious and disquieted as to the forgiveness of sins, or as to whether their imperfect works, polluted by the infirmities of the flesh, are pleasing to God, or are perplexed as to the use of things indifferent.
It is, therefore, perversely interpreted by those who use it as a cloak for their lusts,
    that they may licentiously abuse the good gifts of God,
    or who think there is no liberty unless it is used in the presence of men,
    and, accordingly, in using it pay no regard to their weak brethren.
Under this head, the sins of the present age are more numerous.
    For there is scarcely any one whose means allow him to live sumptuously,
    who does not delight in feasting, and dress, and the luxurious grandeur of his house,
    who wishes not to surpass his neighbor in every kind of delicacy,
    and does not plume himself amazingly on his splendor.
And all these things are defended under the pretext of Christian liberty.
They say they are things indifferent:
I admit it, provided they are used indifferently.
    But when they are too eagerly longed for, when they are proudly boasted of,
    when they are indulged in luxurious profusion,
    things which otherwise were in themselves lawful are certainly defiled by these vices.
Paul makes an admirable distinction in regard to things indifferent:
    "Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure;
    but even their mind and conscience is defiled" (Tit. 1: 15.)
For why is a woe pronounced upon the rich who have received their consolation? (Luke 6: 24,)
    who are full, who laugh now, who "lie upon beds of ivory and stretch themselves upon their couches;"
    "join house to house," and "lay field to field;"
    "and the harp and the viol, the tabret and pipe, and wine, are in their feasts," (Amos 6: 6; Isa. 5: 8, 10.)
Certainly ivory and gold, and riches, are the good creatures of God, permitted,
nay destined, by divine providence for the use of man; nor was it ever forbidden to laugh, or to be full,
or to add new to old and hereditary possessions, or to be delighted with music, or to drink wine.
    This is true, but when the means are supplied to roll and wallow in luxury,
    to intoxicate the mind and soul with present and be always hunting after new pleasures,
    is very far from a legitimate use of the gifts of God.
If God COMMANDED music He commanded wine and a father and son going in to the same temple prostitute.

Let them, therefore, suppress immoderate desire, immoderate profusion, vanity, and arrogance,
that they may use the gifts of God purely with a pure conscience.
When their mind is brought to this state of soberness, they will be able to regulate the legitimate use.

Click for: John Calvin repudiating Instrumental music using the same LITERATE proof the true Church of Christ has always used.

 
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66.82.9.86

Geting Grumpy Old Man CRANKED up.

June 20 2007, 10:09 AM 


    Mr. Sublett, Does that mean I have been excommunicated?
    It is obvious from reading your rantings that you just don't like music in any form or fashion. It is obvious to me that you are trying to convince people that we shouldn't even sing when we come together to worship.
    I've read many of your long winded responses and have come to the conclusion that your just a cranky old man. You've even admitted that you do not attend worship service anywhere, and that leaves me wondering what is your objective with your "music hating" posts?
    By the way, I PREFER A Cappella music and that's the main reason I still attend the CofC. That and the fact the we are the only one's that still teach baptizm for the remission of sins, and don't teach the once saved always saved doctrine of the denominational community.
    Richard Logan
    Paris Texas

Great! Now THAT excuses false teachers for lying TO God and ABOUT God in all of the "proof texts." They thank you very much. But, if EVERYONE can lie about violating the direct command about CONTENT and METHOD and MOTIVE then 'going ALL THE WAY' is the natural PRODUCT of falling into the Worst Century Church. MASS is directly proportional to MESS (Fig Newton's law).

False: I enjoy some kinds of music. But, as an electronics engineering retiring on all kinds of acoustics; and as an observer that the "sanging" intends and does induce the SPIRITUAL ANXIETY Jesus died to silence and Paul OUTLAWED for the "synagogue of Christ" in Romans 15, I just naturally go GRUMPY when the sheep are FLEECED while sanging and clapping like sane people. As a REEDER of RIGHTING the false professors and preachers are not permitted to read and study, once you get CRANKED UP and running you understand that ALL musical terms parse directly to pagan sorcery: didn't John call the speakers, singers and instrumentalists SORCERERS in Revelation 18 working UNDER the Mother of Harlots (including ZOE) (Rev 17) Just go to the back cover and take a left turn to read. If you SANG self-composed songs you DELIBERATELY violate the direct command to "SPEAK that which is written with ONE MIND and ONE MOUTH." If a CIRCE is not an EKKLESIA or SYNAGOGUE or SCHOOL of the Bible, Jesus and Paul writes me an excuse where they "do more harm than good." The Sunday morning MUSICAL fit for a Cruise Liner is the MARK of all pagan religionism.

MUSIC in the Ekklesia violates the MEANING of the ekklesia. It has as much rationale as the DIRTY BOYS who hung out in the marketplace but were excluded from the CHURCH by the major meaning of the PSALLO rope.

Plato in Republic Book III did not envision (nor did the Bible so translate) that such piping and strumming have any "abiding value" but as the Septuagint translates Amos, music was just "fleeting pleasure." In no sense did Plato permit the parasites of Lucian to take the place of the god:

"If a man, then, it seems, [398a] who was capable by his CUNNING of assuming (pantomimic art) every kind of shape
    and IMITATING all things should arrive in our city, bringing with himself
    the POEMS which he wished to EXHIBIT,
Since you are UNCRANKED you "worship" the singy-clappy-thingies: NO OPTION. Paul's ONLY worship word means to GIVE HEED TO: He said "SPEAK that which is written with ONE MOUTH" but, you feel superior because YOU worship the self-composed poems VIOLATING the direct command to "NOT speak your own Word" for the REST day (Isa 58). Because GOD'S words are FREE OF CHARGE (Isa 55). The word SPEAK is the OPPOSITE of poetry or music: Dictionary 101a

but (we) should say to him that there is NO MAN of that kind among us in our city,
    NOR is it LAWFUL for such a man to arise among us,
    and we should SEND him AWAY to another city,
    after POURING myrrh down over his head and CROWNING him with fillets of WOOL (taring and feathering him)
but we ourselves, for our souls' good, should continue to employ
    the more austere and less DELIGHTFUL poet and TALE-teller,
    who would IMITATE the DICTION of the GOOD man and would tell his tale
    in the patterns which we prescribed in the beginning, when we set out to EDUCATE our SOLDIER."
CRANKY OLD GREEKS who called singing SORCERY as did John (Rev 18 in the olden Bible)

What is it about SPEAK that people cannot spell? Some grumpy old Greek looked at ALL known literature where he saw SPEAK and defined SPEAK as the opposite to POETRY or MUSIC. Because CHURCH is for adults as ekklesia, synagogue or school of the Bible, we follow the DIRECT COMMAND for the Qahal, synagogue or church in the wilderness. We follow the approved example of Jesus and Paul and Paul's direct command to Timothy and the practice of LITERATE, Pre-postmoderns, who did not hallucinate SANGING for almost 400 years. That MIGHT be because the Bible is NOT metrical but the "notes" were accent marks to help HEARING that which was READ (the direct command in the wilderness, the practice of the synagogue, the approved example of Jesus, the direct command and practice of paul and all early church history). Even after ALL music was RESTORED AWAY in the Reformation, the Psalms had to be PARAPHRASED in order to be sung. Cranky ole universal direct command and practice of those living in the PRE-post literate world.

"Hallel, in Jewish ritual, selection from the Psalms, chanted as part of the liturgy during certain festivals.
The more frequently used selection includes Psalms 113-118 and is known as the Egyptian Hallel, presumably because Psalm 114 begins.......
It is sung in synagogues on the first two days of Passover, on Shabuoth, on Sukkot, on each morning of the eight days of Hanukkah, and at the close of the Seder.
    "The Hallel through the generations, on specific occasions: Pesachim 117a
    "Hallel requires a full stomach and a satisfied spirit: Taanis 25b-26a
    The reading is beloved to the people, and so they listen closely: Megillah 21b
    "The Hallel as an Institution of the Prophets, to use to pray for salvation from danger: Pesachim 117a [2x]
    Saying the Hallel daily is blasphemous: Shabbos 118b
CRANKY OLD JEWS

Aristotle: Melody Deceives: "Poets also make use of this in inventing words,
    as a melody "without strings" or "without the lyre";
    for they employ epithets from negations, a course which is approved in proportional metaphors..
The form of diction should be neither metrical nor without rhythm.
    If it is metrical, it lacks persuasiveness, for it appears artificial,
    and at the same time it DISTRACTS the hearer's attention,
    since it sets him on the watch for the recurrence of such and such a cadence..
According to Philo, the gods of the PAGANS exploit this weakness of men.
For the sake of a better effect, and with the intention of more easily cheating their devotes,
that they have set their lies to melodies, rhythms and meters.."


Satan or Lucifer is called the 'Singing and harp playing prostitute" even in the garden of Eden. Any kind of singing INTENDS to shut down your rational (spiritual) brain and the MOTIVE is to deceive you. They more they cry LORD, LORD the more you know that they are PROPHESYING and God does not know THEIR NAME. Why are people so happy to be their enablers? Because they LOVE to be sorcerized--more legal than Crack but just as addictive.

One of the SIGNS and MARKS of SORCERY is when the "performers" (always gender compromised in all known history) can do verbal BOOMS AND CLANGS and tell YOU to keep YOUR eyes (and ears) on JESUS. And like Mary's little lamb you actually BELIEVE that KoolAid will get you to heave.

That is what means: "SORCERY" which is using any thing other than the Word to alter the consiousness of people as LYING TO DECEIVE.

Paraphrasing Paul in 2 Corinthians: "Fools love to be fooled."

 
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67.54.196.250

Grumpy old man

June 21 2007, 10:03 PM 

Brother Ken,
You have not been excommunicated, sorry about the last post. You obvioulsy have strong opinions about things, but you must remember so do other people,
I stongly disagree with your stance on instumental music based on the fact that the new testament barely even mentions a worship service. When it did so in ICor it certainly didn't look anything like what we do today. I know that the mainstream Church of Christ has taken Acts 20 out of context and has violated Rev 22 about adding to and taking away. How can anyone "glean" a whole worship service out of the new testemant and make it a heaven or hell debate? If the worship service had been that important, the bible would have been very specific about the subject.
Don't respond too me with your "mythology" because you really don't make a whole lot of sense. You tell me sir, how important is that mythical worship service thats not really mentioned, when it's stacked up to a little thing called love? Love is mentioned all through the new testemant. Also we are told how too live our lives and how we are to conduct ourselves all through the new testament. These things were stressed, worship service didn't even get an afterthought! It is not there! You and the other people of your persuasion need to read the bible without your church of Christ "googles" and see whats really in the scripture.
Ken, take away your rantings on musical instruments and there wouldn't be a whole lot of diffrence between you and I concerning new testament Christianity. I am a member of the church of Christ since birth and will be until death. If the congregation I go to ever gets instruments for worshiop I will leave. Not because of any scriptual disagreement, but because I don't personally like them, there is nothing more soul moving and more beautiful than the human voice.
I know you are going to have a fine old time disecting me and your going to do your usual thing and really let me have it if you decide to respond to this post. Thats okay, I can take it. Ken, I have just as much passion for music as you do for wanting to justify not to have music in worship. I know one thing, God gave me my big bass voice for a reason and I don't think he would have wanted me not to use it. God gave me that not Satan.

Richard Logan
Paris, TX

 
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66.82.9.55

Grumpy!

June 22 2007, 6:33 PM 

That is because you look up WORSHIP SERVICE and look up CHURCH.

You are correct that the worship service is not even considered: Jesus exampled the synagogue as a school of the bible and promised the EKKLESIA which is a SYNAGOGUE.

When Paul uses the assembly or gathering word he uses a form of synagogue. There was no praise service in the synagogue because it was outlawed for the "church in the wilderness."

Paul defined the synagogue in the NOT singing passages including Romans 15. He EXCLUDES self pleasing which connected directly to singing and instruments and more. The Latin word goes into detail to outlaw any of the scenic arts of the pagan theater.

Paul's ONLY worship word means to GIVE HEED: another one of those words we don't find when we look up worship in the lexicon. By definition worship means to fall on your face like a dog licking his masters shoes. Now, try that in the singy-clappy singing of today. Worship means to "hold the thought and thoughts of GOD in your mind." You cannot do that and hold the vision of the leaders in your eyes and the thoughts of Twila Paris in your mind.

No one had any trouble with that definition for almost 400 years before the Syriac speaking evangelists begin to compose their OWN Psalms and use a more "tuneful" method of singing.

"Melody as tunefulness belongs to the 19th century" so I know that they didn't musicate. When you READ a poetic piece using the normal inflections of the Hebrew or Greek language you are said to SING.

It is important to know what the Bible writers knew or you cannot understand Paul or John in Revelation. John called the speakers, singers and musicians SORCERERS. Is that bad or what.

You cannot understand the Old Testament unless you know TO WHAT God abandoned them too in the monarchy.

Thomas Campbell tried to restore: "Church is a school of Christ" and "Worship is reading and musing the Word." That is exactly what Paul commanded Timothy and everyone understood for centuries.

There is no PREACHER defined in Ephesians 4 so you first need to trim the fat.
There is no LAW OF GIVING so you cannot finance converting the church into a "theater for holy entertainment" without robing the widows and the honest evangelist.
There is no LAW OF SINGING because Paul commanded that we SPEAK and speak is the opposite of poetry or music in all Greek definitions.

All you have left is BIBLE CLASS and the LORD'S SUPPER. Anything beyond that has always created discord. Why am I grumpy for trying to EXORCISE the TITHING and the LAW OF GIVING from you? All recorded history knows that setting words to music was the best way to "fleece the fat heads and simpletons." Why are you so happy to lose your FLEECE with your blood still on it?

 
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67.54.196.250

RE: Grumpy

June 23 2007, 4:31 PM 

Dear Brother Sublett,
Now you post something that makes sense to me. I plan to go back to the bible and really search this for myself, and I mean that sincerely. I've never understood church of Christ worship as compared with what I've learned through reading the bible and because of this I didn't attend services for many years. One gentleman I know that is an older elder says that we were brainwashed into the doctrine as children.
I must admit I find it hard to stomach hiring a preacher, in a good sized church, when there are many men so inclined and talented in that area that would do it for free. What really sets me off is when a congregation will hire a song leader for big bucks, when there are many men that would do a good job at this. Hiring a song leader, to me, is sinfully wasting money that could be used for different purposes such as benevolence. I'm not ready to throw out the preacher just yet! However I feel we hire preachers to do the things we Christians ought to be doing ourselves. I will include me in that statement.

Thank you,
Richard Logan
Paris, TX

 
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66.82.9.85

Grumpy still!

June 25 2007, 7:32 PM 

When you toss the Bible around people have agreed on to call you a LEGALIST. Of course all of those people get waged pretending some spiritual superiority (meaning of pharisee) to teach you the BIBLE but they know that they have do do sermon outlines to attract the masses or get fired.

Bible and church history knows that the only people supported are evangelists or elders and deacons when they go out collecting sheep. The local elders who preach and teach are due double honor but I think this means an honorarium.

There is no preaching in the assembly because the textbook is the bible and the method is a one another reeading and discussing the text. If one cuts and pastes to achieve some GOAL then they deny that scripture is adequate.

The singing for almost 400 years consisted of the Psalms or other text but the Bible is not metrical so the stle would not be tuneful in our sense. That is because the function is to teach, admonish and comfort one another WITH Scripture.

Anyone who hires a song leader recognizes their own poor leadership and goals for the "school of the Bible." It DENIES the members of the body their function. The Precentor in the Catholic church had to be "clergy" and is defined as the "first heresy largely pervading the church." I doubt that there are any elders out there ready to RISK being a NewTestament church or a Restored chutch because the DEBT is the driver.

I will post a couple of links here to the Quail Springs church under Mark Henderson: he is one of the hireling-changelings intending to restructure the whole church of Christ. Of course they had once-Christian universities giving them aid and comfort. With all of the money and discord and broken families, they can probably count their CONVERTS on their own fingers and the churches DIVERTED are as far as I know those of the original DISCORDERS. Of course, one of the PENALTIES for hiring a professional SHEPHERD is that he is always looking for theenxt job and bonds with anyone who seems friendly. That is why it has been easy for the NACC to seduce a small group of men who ASPIRED to be the biggest and best and highest paid.

That is why hiring a hireling is very dangerous because the PhDuhs have boasted about serving PROPHETIC roles to be CHANNELERS of advanced degrees to go out and FACILITATE the demise of the "conservative" churches. I have exerienced a couple of ACUers who were well prepared to wreck or ruin.

http://www.piney.com/Mark.Henderson.1.html

I am working on part two where all of the deceivers like Atchley deny that the New Testament did anything to disturb the Old Testament Musical Worship. This part will just look at the word PLAY which is the musical idolatry which deliberately threw away Grace and got them turned over to worship the starry hose. This is the worship they HOPE is not abrogated in the N.T. Too bad, the Bible is filled with the PLAY word which is the CHILDREN piping hoping to get Jesus to sing and dance.

http://www.piney.com/Mark.Henderson.2.html

This review is not yet posted but should be shortly. When Paul spoke of sending STRONG DELUSIONS to those who do not love truth, this first passage has Jesus WARNING those withotu ears. That is why the discorders DO NOT have ears and are delusional and people love to laugh AT them while they think people are laughing WITH them.

You need to look up my stuff on tithing and the LAW OF GIVING. This proves that even if these JOB DESCRIPTIONS existed, they are UNFUNDED PROGRAMS.

 
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69.19.14.34

Quail falls with the other Birds.

June 27 2007, 2:13 PM 

QUAIL SPRINGS FALLS AS PART OF THOSE WHO HAVE DECEIVED ONLY THEIR OWN FLOCKS.

Mark Henderson Review # One

This review will show that neither Mark or his though leaders and handlers from the NACC know or care about the context of their proof texts OR the story line. Like the few other churches, Mark and the church has had a long agenda using Musical Performers as a legalistic end run around the NO INSTRUMENTS view of Quail Springs' owners. Now, pretending to do a STUDY he just imitates the older papers fed to them by the NACC.

The SHORT FALL or falling attendance has always been the DRIVEN PURPOSE to add instruments. The falling membership has always attended the addition of CLERGY SINGERS which is called "the oldest heresy largely pervading the church." The INTENTIONAL DRIVEN PURPOSE to add instruments to the youth groups and Saturday WORSHIP SERVICE has also peeled off members. The MISleaders do not care because they have ACCEPTED the loss of half of the OWNERS in the transistion to a neo Babylon Harlot system (Rev 17) using rhetoricians, singers and instrument players as SORCERERS (Rev 18). You have to accept the fact that you have fallen into the affliction prophesied.

Mark Henderson Review # Two

Because Mark has not fully quoted Everett Ferguson about Matthew 11 to prove that Jesus had nothing to say about instruments, I have decided to do a separate article on the RISING UP TO PLAY fall from grace at Mount Sinai. Jesus warns that those WITHOUT EARS will not even be able to hear his message. All of the PLAY words identify musical and always perverted prostitutes or Sodomites SERVING the Mother Goddess.

Mark Henderson Review # 3 will review all of the musical idolatry in ALL known literatre as MARKING the effeminate or perverted "priestlings." Tom Burges is the source of the "scholarly quotes" proving that PSALLO authorizes instruments. However, Tom is careful to NOT post the rest of the story that PSALLO or pluking always identified older males seducing the 'youth ministers' whose hairs had been plucked. None of the small band of follow the misleader such as Milton Jones or Max Lucado has failed to lie TO God and ABOUT God. The message of The Book of Enoch quoted by Jude is that when people FALL into musical idolatry they have been led by Satan or Lucifer (Zoe) and they will never be able to recover. They have done the unforgiveable sin of Hebrews 6.

You should NOT follow the BLIND misleaders. You are free to tell us your good, bad and ugly and no one will hurt you here where MOST denominations post when they elders deliberately turn into WOLVES.

 
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69.19.14.31

Why lie about Alexander Campbell: He's dead!

August 7 2007, 11:41 AM 

I can say without contradiction that those attempting to "infiltrate and divert" peaceable churches of Christ to IMPOSE choirs (teams) and instruments, twist the Bible and all known history to defend the congenital sectarianizing impulse.

They use good people like Alexander Campbell to claim that the EXPLOSION did not happen untill 1906 when the Church of Christ simply refused to be INCLUDED as part of the Disciples Denomination defined fully in the 1909 Centenial edition of the Declaration and Address. The Christian Church SECTED out of the Disciples in 1926 and fully EXPLODED out in 1968. Yet, they have no problem getting past their lips the claim that the Church of Christ SECTED OUT of a denomination which would not fully exist for about 60 years. Now, that is stretching truth.

FACTS to refute FALSE teaching: Remembering that people became higly addicted to card playing and the results were as bad as alcohol. I knew a lady in Seattle who fell into all kinds of spiritual problems as a result of being HOOKED on ROOK.

John Lewis 1932

THE FOLLOWING PAGES contaln an answer to the challenge made by the
secretary of the Tennessee Christian Missionary Society, sent forth to "our
conservative brethren." The issue is clearly stated and the matter plainly put.

It is significant that the first "popular preacher" among the Reformers who came out "in favor of instrumental music in churches" also favored "social dancing in our ramifies." Instrumental music, social dancing, card playing, and kindred practices all appeal to the animal emotions of man, but never to the spiritual nature of man. These practices, in many places, today, as leeches, are sucking all spiritual life out of the churches. Where churches are spiritually dead, it takes organs, fiddles, and horns to keep up an interest; because, if their animal nature flagged, they would be religiously dead. Instrumental music has no place in spiritual assemblies. It belongs to entertainments, but not in the worship.

On instrumental music 1 stand with John Rogers and Alexander Campbell, The society secretary stands with "a popular preacher" who came out, in 1851, "in favor of instrumental music in churches" and "social dancing in our families."


Mr. G gave the Christian Churches AUTHORITY for the use of instrumental music. He suggested that if the worshipers of MARS could be aroused by instruments WHY NOT the church of Christ.

Not as lied about Alexander Campbell on Instrumental music but Mr. G states that gives the ONLY AUTHORITY every claimed which was claimed by the Mother of the Anglican--Christian church movement as "common to all pagan cults." If Mr. G. is really Alexander Campbell then it doubly denies what Lee and the change agents falsely assigns to him.

"INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC is entirely in harmony with the most grateful, solemn and happy feelings of which the human heart is susceptible. Indeed, sacred music upon an instrument, tends, in a very considerable degree, to excite solemn and holy emotions; and we cannot forbear to say, that could the music of our churches be improved--could it be accompanied with an instrument,

Mr. G gave the Christian Churches AUTHORITY for the use of instrumental music. He suggested that if the worshipers of MARS could be aroused by instruments WHY NOT the church of Christ.

Not as lied about Alexander Campbell on Instrumental music but Mr. G states that gives the ONLY AUTHORITY every claimed which was claimed by the Mother of the Anglican--Christian church movement as "common to all pagan cults." If Mr. G. is really Alexander Campbell then it doubly denies what Lee and the change agents falsely assigns to him.

"INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC is entirely in harmony with the most grateful, solemn and happy feelings of which the human heart is susceptible. Indeed, sacred music upon an instrument, tends, in a very considerable degree, to excite solemn and holy emotions; and we cannot forbear to say, that could the music of our churches be improved--could it be accompanied with an instrument,

True: that is what Jesus died to REMOVE and what Paul OUTLAWED for the synagogue or school of the Bible.

it would soothe [as in soothsay] and calm the feelings of the auditors; it would improve the order of the house; it would call into lively action the latent religious emotions of the heart, and add very much to the enjoyment on such occasions.

"Music exerts a mysterious charm upon man--it takes captive the citadel of life--carries him out of himself, and leads him where it will. The shrill fife and the rattling drum, inspire the soldier just about to enter into battle, with a zeal and daring which no hardship can overcome, and no danger intimidate, and causes him to rush headlong into the thickest of the combat, regardless of consequences.


In fact ALL singing and instruments define this enchantment or sorcery: then and now it had no higher motive than to silence the human spirit so it could give heed (Paul's only worship word) to the Word of God.

That's what John meant when he defined the rhetoricians, singers and instrumentalists as SORCERERS working for the Mother of Hatlots. Confession is good for the lost souls.

If martial music thus inspires the worshipers of Mars, will sacred music do less for the humble followers of the meek and lowly Jesus--the worshipers of the true and living God? No!

The Georgics IV Virgil
    Of air-born honey, gift of heaven, I now
    Take up the tale. Upon this theme no less
    Look thou, Maecenas, with indulgent eye.
    A marvellous display of puny powers,
    High-hearted chiefs, a nation's history,
    Its traits, its bent, its battles and its clans,
    All, each, shall pass before you, while I sing.
    Slight though the poet's theme, not slight the praise,
    So frown not heaven, and Phoebus (female Apollo, Abaddon, Apollyon)
    hear his call.

    First find your bees a settled sure abode,
    Where neither winds can enter (winds blow back
    The foragers with food returning home)
    Nor sheep and butting kids tread down the flowers,
    Nor heifer wandering wide upon the plain
    Dash off the dew, and bruise the springing blades.

    Let the gay lizard too keep far aloof [male musicians for Dionysus]
    His scale-clad body from their honied stalls,
    And the bee-eater, and what birds beside,
    And Procne smirched with blood upon the breast
    From her own murderous hands. For these roam wide
    Wasting all substance, or the bees themselves
    Strike flying, and in their beaks bear home, to glut
    Those savage nestlings with the dainty prey.

    Deiopea, and, bow at length laid by,
    Fleet-footed Arethusa. But in their midst
    Fair Clymene was telling o'er the tale
    Of Vulcan's idle vigilance and the stealth
    Of Mars' sweet rapine, and from Chaos old
    Counted the jostling love-joys of the Gods.
    Charmed by whose lay, the while their woolly tasks
    With spindles down they drew, yet once again
    Smote on his mother's ears the mournful plaint
    Of Aristaeus; on their glassy thrones
    For then 'tis ever the fresh springs they seek
    And bowery shelter: hither must you bring
    The savoury sweets I bid, and sprinkle them,
    Bruised balsam and the wax-flower's lowly weed,
    And wake and shake the tinkling cymbals heard
    By the Great Mother: on the anointed spots
    Themselves will settle, and in wonted wise
    Seek of themselves the cradle's inmost depth.

    But if to battle they have hied them forth-
    For oft 'twixt king and king with uproar dire
    Fierce feud arises, and at once from far
    You may discern what passion sways the mob,
    And how their hearts are throbbing for the strife;
    Hark! the hoarse brazen note that warriors know
    Chides on the loiterers, and the ear may catch
    A sound that mocks the war-trump's broken blasts;

Mr. G, subconsciously no doubt, defined the purpose for vocal and instrumental music in the worship of Mars or any of the tens of thousands of gods. The goal of musical worship was to take you out of yourself. This was enthuse O mania which means that you were insane. This was ecstasy, Paul called it insanity, to permit you to have a personal relationship with a god.

"The priests of the pagan temples had been paid from the purse of the Empire, but now Caesar was a Christian and the priests of Mars and Venus [ZOE, lucifer] hastened to their baptisms. For the first time in the history of the church, salaries were paid to Christians workers. Tradition has it that Constantine's mother was the first to give the money for the erection of a church building... All this (meetings in homes) was over now. The rags of persecution gave way to softer garments, and the church began to enjoy the feel of silk upon its flesh. Thus the Pergamos stage of church history came into being, the church was married to the world." (Barnhouse, D.G., Revelation, Zondervan, p. 52).

That is why ALL music in religion relates to the Mother of the Gods and why it WORKS because science knows that music creates a drug high--endorphins--which incites FIGHT, FLIGHT or SEXUAL impulses. That is why "religion, music and sexuality" have always been joined at the lips.

Next, I will give you Alexander's response which is radically radicalized by Lee and friends who know that the Bible associates music as the WEAPON of Satan from Genesis to Revelation.

 
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66.82.9.85

Response to ltwin_2

August 26 2007, 4:04 PM 

If this is too long don't worry about it: the Book of Enoch and all of the Biblical examples prove that once you associate the sexual impulses created by MUSIC with the Holy Spirit God, you have fallen and probably cannot either read or accept what follows. I don't expect many "converts" because that would be contrary to all of the FALLS FROM GRACE INTO LEGALISM both caused and marked by performance music--with or without instruments--in the School of the Bible and in the face of Jesus Christ who gathers so that we--the twos and threes--can "Learn of ME." The direct commands outlawing "music" which creates the spiritual anxiety Jesus died to remove, FILLS the Bible from "Lucifer (zoe) the singing and harp-playing prostitute in the garden of Eden to the Mother of Harlots who USES the FRUITS people lust after as performance speakers, singers and instrument players whom John called SORCERERS who HAD deceived the whole world.

Professionals CANNOT grasp that because Jesus said that truth had been hidden in parables from the foundation of the world from those who must NOT understand the truth (Matthew 13). This included a RACE of "vipers" and a CROOKED generation from which we must ESCAPE (Acts 2): these were the perverted new-wineskin singers. The Jews--mostly imported non-Israelites--were a RACE of Children (the PLAY parable) who as pipers, singers and dancers were consigned by Jesus to the AGORA or marketplace where all pagan religions using prostitutes and sodomites, speakers and singers, musicians and dancers, sellers of radishes and young boys took place.

Take it as a fact which the False Preachers either do not know or deliberately lie about The Israelite Monarchy (united then divided then destroyed) because it was quite IDENTICAL to the Canaanite, Egyptian or Babylonian idolatry. God gave them kings in His ANGER and took them away in His anger.

None of the proof texts from that period relate to the acceptable assembly in the Synagogue--beginning in the wilderness--which INCLUDES "a school of the bible" and EXCLUDES loud instruments or "making a joyful noise before the Lord." Because these create PANIC impulses they were reserved for sending life and death messages. David was NOT a worship leader: the Levitical Warrior Musicians were under the King and commanders of the army. They did NOT lead the worship and could not enter the "chuch house" without getting executed.

If preachers had read Acts 7 we would all be wiser: Stephen judged both the CLERGY and the TEMPLE by calling them back to Mount Sinai. When they "rose up to play" they were engaged in the musical idolatry of the Egyptian Triad under Apis the golden calf. For that "sin beyond redemption" God "turned them over to worship the starry host." Stephen specificially points to Amos and Isaiah. God came with ten thousand angels and gave them a firey law of judgment. According to Jude quoting Enoch, God will come again specificially for those who engaged in "musical performance" when they were commanded to REST, READ and REHEARSE the Word of God. An outlawed WORK was "sending out ministers." The new REST word is PAUO which demands: "Stop the speaking your own words (Isa 58), singing, playing instruments or OTHER panic-creating disturbances.

God promised David a TABERNACLE (tent) with easy access on Zion.
BUT, Solomon built God a HOUSE (like the one at Tyre) on Mount Moriah
BUT, God does not LIVE in houses built by HUMAN HANDS nor is He worshipped by human hands [clapping, waving, picking a guitar which is a MACHINE for doing HARD WORK.


When the loud "noise" played and the ark was REMOVED from Zion to Moriah, God SHUT DOWN access to His presence, the Word of God and Grace under the mercy seat. Why would you lust to be EXILED from God?
    Isa 2:7 Their land also is full of silver and gold, neither is there any end of their treasures; their land is also full of horses, neither is there any end of their chariots:
    Isa 2:8 Their land also is full of idols; they worship the work of their own hands, that which their own fingers have made:
      H4639 ma???eh mah-as-eh' From H6213 ; a product, an action (good or bad); generally a transaction; abstractly activity; by implication a product (specifically a poem) or (generally) property:

      Isa 5:12 - And the harp, and the viol, the tabret, and pipe, and wine, are in their feasts: but they regard not the work of the LORD, neither consider the operation of HIS hands.

    Isa 2:9 And the mean man boweth down, and the great man humbleth himself: therefore forgive them not.
More fatal is that by identifying with the pagan sacrifices to the Starry Host including the MATRIARCH or mother of harlots, you may, without knowing it, be letting yourself be led into a perverted sexual encounter with the "demons."

We all worry about David's Gender because before his time it was women who PERFORMED public music. Since David boasted that "he made himself vile" with the slave girls, I am not sure I would want to "go and do likewise" especially since it broke up his faithful marriage and led David to slaughter the Saul blood line except one crippled boy: even let one be offered in human sacrifice to protect his Goyim or PAGAN "nation."

When david wore but then stripped off the ephod, and making himself VILE the "praise singing" means to make yourself so polluted that the enemy dare not trouble you: the halal word is the "mother" of the lucifer word.

"Wearing a linen ephod, David once performed an ecstatic dance before the ark of the Lord. From the fact that his wife Michal chided him for having uncovered himself before his servant's handmaidens (2 Sam. 6:20), it seems likely that the king's exhibition was vulgar and revealing. Apparently as a retaliation for her scolding, David fathered no children by Michal (2 Sam. 6:23)" (Garrison, p. 31-32)

Remember that God abandoned Israel to "worship like the nations" but warned that they would not survive it. The kings were, in fact, chosen by God to carry out the captivity and death penalty imposed BECAUSE of musical idolatry."

Remembering also that the priestly Ephod was a FEMALE garment, it comes as no surprise that the Levites wore linen garments and fulfilled the "female" role of all "like the nation's" temples. To their credit, no singer or musician--even in the vilest pagan temples--could enter the "holy place" which typified the body or church of Christ. The TYPE says that any singer or musician who dared enter the church building was worthy of death. Zechariah assigns the parents of the male who continued to "prophesy" after the SIGNS of Pentecost period were fuflilled. This would MARK anyone who fell into the effeminate singing as worthy of death.

False and unlearned preachers ALWAYS claim that God prophesied that instruments would be in the church. They quote psalms to find "musical instruments" but the fact is that they are LAYING CLAIM to an emasculated, feminine form of singing heard in most churches NOT connected to the School of Christ this day.

All of the church of Christ dupes repeat the universal false teaching promoted by the NACC where all of the "proof texts" ignore the context and story line. Furthermore, all of their PSALLO proof speak of perverted males plucking the harp to seduce a 'youth minister of the gods' where pederasty was THE way to bind spirit and flesh together. Psallo in all of the external senses speaks of WARFARE or perverted males or females PERFORMING as professionals.

http://www.piney.com/Faust.Music.Prophecy.html

http://www.piney.com/MuReview2.html
    Delitzsch on Psalms Moreover, we must take into consideration the facts that the compass of the tenor extends even into the soprano, that the singers were of different ages down to twenty years of age, and that Oriental, and more particularly even Jewish, song is fond of FALSETTO singing. We therefore adopt Perret- Gentil's rendering, chant avec voix de femmes, and still more readily Armand de Mestral's, en soprano; whereas Melissus' rendering, "upon musical instruments called Alamoth (the Germans would say, upon the virginal)," has nothing to commend it.
The Catholics 'used' falsetto singers but when they discovered the "a cappella" or the castrated singers of France, they fired the "falsettos" and used the a capella fellas. When castrating "musical worship teams" became illegal, they composed the modern style "praise singing" which allows a pseudo-castrato singing in the modern church which is NOT remotely similar to the "school of the Bible" Jesus founded to CAST OUT the musical performers "like dung."

Because the NATION was like other nations and they had been "turned over to worship the starry host it comes as no surprise that the musical rituals were quite identical to those of Egypt which caused their fall from grace at Mount Sinai. Even the musical "guilds" used pagan operatives such as the "awakeners of the God." Even David tried to "awaken his lyre so he could awaken the dawn." These were so overtly pagan that they were outlawed during the Intertestament Period when the Sacrificial System ceased officially.

"professional musicians emerged in Israel about the time of David and Solomon. From then on, we have abundant historical evidence of the role which the professional musicians played in the organization of the temple ritual." (International Dictionary of the Bible, p. 461, Abingdon).

That is because God ABANDONED the nation to worship the Starry Host: never trust anyone who wants to IMPOSE this on you:
    "Before the establishment of the kingdom under Saul [as 'firing" God], it was the women who, as in every young civilization, played a major part in the performance of music. Such figures as Miriam, Deborah, Jephtha's daughter, and the women hailing the young hero David have become almost archetypes of female musicians. Characteristic of all these cases is the familiar picture of a female chorus, dancing and singing, accompanied by frenzied drum-beating. This is the scene known to the entire Near East, and not even the severe rule of Islam could wholly suppress this age-old practice." (Int Dict of the Bible, Music, p. 457).
"the testimonies of neighboring civilizations... concern chiefly the music of courts or temples, which in Sumer, Babylon, and Canaan was then in the hands of professional priests-musicians. We have only a few remarks of Herodotus about Egyptian practices, which were similar to those of ancient Hebrew popular singing. He refers to the 'lament for Linos,' [soprano singing] also to women's chants in procession of the cult of Osiris and the Diana of Bubastis. "In Phoenicia and Syria almost all popular music reflected the worship of Ishtar, the goddess of fertility.

That the singing and playin instruments was feminine and effeminate and that
    Qadash means Holiness or the Holy One and she is generally portrayed in a somewhat Egyptian style, with a Hathor-like hair-do.
Miriam was a "prophetess of Hathor" and not of Jehovah: as such she and all of the "matriarchal" goddesses (looking male sounding falsetto) are promoters of the Mother of Harlots (Revelation 17) where all of the "fruits" they lusted after were speakers, singers and instrument players: John called them sorcerers." (Revelation 18). The Mother of Harlots intends to TRIUMPH OVER the "lion of the tribe of Judah." That is why she is always in the superior position:




As qadesh is an epithet, not a name, it is not clear which Canaanite goddess She is. She may be an aspect of either ´Asherah, `Anat, or `Ashtart or She may represent a combination of ´Asherah, `Anat, and `Ashtart. While scholars today sometimes confuse the various goddesses, it is clear that in the past, in fact, these goddesses were concatenated as well, a single goddess emerging were previously there had been two or three.
    Praise Qadashu, Lady of of the Stars of Heaven,
    Mistress of All the Gods, [Eve, Zoe]
    May She grant LIFE, welfare, prosperity, and health.
    Mayest thou grant that I behold thy beauty daily.
The women worshipped her in the temple while the men held a sun-rise service "turning their BACK on the temple"

http://www.piney.com/MuTammuz.html

Thus, popular song was usually a prelude to sexual orgies in honor of the goddess, led and organized by her thousands of hierodules." (Interpreter's Dict of the Bible, Music, p. 461)

"Women and girls from the different ranks of society were proud to enter the service of the gods as singers and musicians. The understanding of this service was universal: these singers constituted the 'harem of the gods'."

"Hebrew music... was used in the luxurious times of the later monarchy the effeminate gallants of israel, reeking with perfumes, and stretched upon their couches of ivory, were wont at their banquets to accompany the song with the tinkling of the psaltery or guitar (Am. v1. 4-6), and amused themselves with devising musical instruments while their nation was perishing" (Smith's Bible Dictionary, Music, p. 590).


Your preacher--most--will tell you that there was nothing wrong with the worship of the Samaritans condemned by Amos and other prophets: they just had a bad mental attitude. Sure, a father and son go in to the same temple prostitute but they just had a "bad mental attitude" otherwise God would have laughed and smiled.

Music of all kinds is equated to enchantment or sorcery and there is no historical exception in the religious sense. That is why there is NO music word used in connection with the faithful Israelite "civilians" who attended synagogue--even in the wilderness--where this ALARM singing and instruments was OUTLAWED. This was the universal practiced and an APPROVED EXAMPLE of Jesus where "preaching Moses" meant the "Reading of the Word." That is what Paul commanded as the ekklesia or school of the Bible.

The almost universal and sudden rise of charismatic (meaning effeminate and homosexual) forms of singing and music has the INTENTION of preventing you from learning about any of the CONTEXTS and STORY LINES they deliberately lie about to "make a place for their friends in the mainstream" when imposing music always caused about half of the "owners" to flee without understanding that they are under the eternal Satanic attack using music and the "perverted" persona for which no one will dare post an exception. They know what Paul confirmed: "Fools love to be fooled" and music is at the heart of all of the DECEIVING words.

 
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69.59.71.158

Setting the Facts Straight

November 11 2007, 7:12 PM 

First of all Ken, I don’t know who you are or what you have gone through or are going through, but I know this-what you are doing is wrong. You sit in judgment of other people and think you know the heart of God. Yes you are right; many people get caught up in emotion. But there are many people who are not emotional. God is spirit and we must worship in spirit and in truth John 4:24. Those are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks John 4:23. Do you follow everything the Bible clearly says to? Do you do no work on the Sabbath at all? Have you sold all of your possessions and shared the proceeds with those in the church so that everyone who had a need would be provided for? I doubt it seriously. People like you make me angry with righteous indignation. Besides the word of God what do you have access to that others do not. The people in the church that you refer to have the Word of God which they can read just like you can and interpret it as the Spirit directs. Let them judge. If you don’t agree with it then find another church that suites you. But for your benefit I respond to your post.

You said that music creates “sexual impulses.” So I would ask you are there orgies at your church now that praise music has been instituted? Have people been driven to uncontrollable lust for one another or for demons in the church’s services? I don’t know what kinds of songs are being sung at your church, but I can imagine that they are similar to the one’s that are sung at mine. I can but laugh at the assertion that a song, for example, such as “Heart of Worship” by Matt Redman or “How Great is Our God” by Chris Tomlin, could insight any lust in the hearts of anyone. Can you???? You say that we should learn from Jesus, but I ask you, by doing this are you doing like Jesus? Has any sin or impropriety been committed in your church? Or are people’s lives being touched and healed? Is God’s name being lifted up like never before? Oh yes I know you would say that you are lifting God up, which mean you think you have some power over Him. But I say you are confused. By saying we lift the Lord up we certainly do not mean that He is like a child dependent on our strength for we are his children and we need Him in our lives. But “we lift Him up” is a way of saying that we are not ashamed of God. We are saying that no matter our problem is or what has come against us we will not say oh God you can’t help me. We won’t minimize God, but we will magnify Him.

Moving on to other things, you seriously do not know what you are talking about. The Jews were not non-Israelites. They ARE THE ISRAELITES! You can read this in the Bible. When the Israelites were taken into captivity in Babylon and they were freed to come back to the Holy Land they began to be called Jews, because they lived in Judea. If you assert that the Jews were “pipers, singers and dancers (who) were consigned by Jesus to the AGORA or marketplace where all pagan religions using prostitutes and sodomites, speakers and singers, musicians and dancers, sellers of radishes and young boys took place,” (Ken Sublett) then are you saying that Jesus was raised in this kind of environment? An environment with prostitutes and sodomites?? We know that scripture mentions nothing of this! Jesus is called “King of the Jews” for crying out loud. So in your opinion this is the kingdom he came to established? And where do radishes come into the picture? Isn’t that a vegetable? IDK. Were radishes against the Biblical dietary laws are something?? I have to ask you where are you getting your info from?????? I would like you to verify your sources.

You said that the displays in the Bible where examples of people praising and singing “were reserved for sending life and death messages”. This is just not true. In 2 Samuel chapter six, the passage I referenced in my first post, the event is not a military venture. There was no invasion or danger. The nation of Israel was celebrating the return of the Ark of the Covenant back to Jerusalem. It was a national holiday. It is true that no one could enter the Temple but priest, and they could only enter under the conditions set by God in the Bible. This law of not entering the temple applied to everyone that wasn’t a priest. But the Levites did sing hymns to God in the inner courts of the Temple. You also speak that playing musical instruments was forbidden on the Sabbath. I am not sure what was or wasn’t forbidden by the Sabbath law, but healing the sick was forbidden also. However, that didn’t stop Jesus from doing it. Did it?

And this is the place that I lose respect for you. You have the right to present your viewpoints and offer your proof, but you do not have the right to twist the Word of God to make it suite you. You took 2 Samuel chapter 6 and completely took it out of context. You make it seem as if the Lord was unhappy with David. But the scripture does not say this. David was not punished for this. The Bible does not say that David could not father children. For we know that he had children. Remember they had more than one wife back then and if God wanted to punish David he would not have been able to have anymore children from any of his wives. The Bible says that it was only Michal who could not bear children. This was a punishment for her, not King David. This event did not break up David’s marriage. Him murdering and committing adultery caused his son to die-not dancing before the Lord. King David was not a pagan or idolater. If he was, why is Jesus called the Son of David?

Leaving you I have this question to ask. How do you equate music with homosexuals and effeminacy? My church condemns homosexuality and believes that those who are homosexual need to be set free by the power and love of Jesus. Also we have women on our praise team and our praise team is led by a woman. Not that she is praise leader because she is a woman, but she has been anointed to follow the Holy Spirit’s direction. We also have men on our praise team and they are not gay or effeminate at all. They also sing in the way their voices naturally sound- as men not sounding like women. Even if what you say has truth in it the customs and practices of the Levites were given to them by God so I see no validity in you view point at all.

I hope you pray and seek Gods will in this and look more to the Word and not to whoever you get this info from. Well you know where to find me if you want to talk to me. I do hope you think about what I said and truly seek God’s will for your church. As the Bible says you shall no them by their fruit. If your church is bearing good fruit I would rejoice and join in to help them be the best church they can be.


 
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66.82.9.74

Partial response to Itwin, Seattle

November 12 2007, 3:12 PM 





 
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66.82.9.79

Itwin Seattle: #2 the Sexual Persona!

November 14 2007, 1:47 PM 

Sorry, I cannot find any Biblical or historical help to get around the music-sexual persona. If I could find any exception I might confess that all of us are wrong. You may not know why "musical worship" guys and gals often cause half of the "owners" to flee for their lives but while you guys may think you are cute and talented, much of the world sees it as effeminate screeching and screaming.








I can go on and on and on and on. The only worship word in the New Testament is to give heed to the Word of God. That is because the ekklesia or synagogue is a "school of the Bible." Jesus patterned it specificially to outlaw the laded burden of "spiritual anxiety created by religious rituals." The literature proves that this laded burden is facilitated most powerfully by arousal singing with or without instruments. Because the intent is to do an end-run around the Words of Christ (commanded) to create a mental or emotional experience which frazzles the nerves, John in Revelation 18 and all evidence marks it as sorcery. You cannot suck in enough seekers to convert sorcery into the school of the Bible.

 
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69.59.120.143

bye bye

November 16 2007, 8:29 PM 

Ken, I think, by hearing your response to my questions I know more of the point of view by which you assert yourself. It would seem to me, and of course, this is only my opinion and sense I really do not know you, if you honestly say that my opinion of you is wrong I hope you will easily forget it and hold nothing personal against me, that you are very intelligent and well read. However, I find by my reading that you seem to suffer from a deficiency in understanding the true mystery and freedom that Christ brought to you and I and the whole world. You speak of the Law as if you are under it. I am not under the law, but Grace, and I would not want to be under the Law. Jesus died so that we would not be judged by the Law. Because you are correct the Law brings death and if you want death then who am I to stop you. You say that singing in the church was a late innovation not coming about until circa 373. Here I must dispute you. There are many earlier instances of singing by the Christian community. In fact it was not uncommon for Christians to include in their gatherings the singing of the psalms and hymns. With this we can see many examples, but if you desire to I think you might like the challenge to look them up yourself so I give you only one. It is from Justin Martyr, an early Christian apologist who lived from 110 to 165 in the Roman Empire. He was not Jewish, but was converted to the Christian faith. In his First Apology Chapter XIII, which was written to the Roman Emperor, he writes, “and with gratitude to Him to offer thanks by invocations and hymns for our creation, and for all the means of health, and for the various qualities of the different kinds of things, and for the changes of the seasons; and to present before Him petitions for our existing again in incorruption through faith in Him.” The url to the page the quote was taken from is here http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.viii.ii.xiii.html.

Now about what you write about the Seattle church judging cannot respond because I am completely ignorant of what is happening in Seattle, but I would like to read your attempt at explaining how singing, which often is little more than praising God and glorifying His name while playing musical instruments, is “telling God to ‘shut your face.’” I think God is happy to hear our worship. Yes, the episode at the well was talking about a place, but can you say that the principle does not apply to other situations as well situations such as the state of the worshippers hear. For what does it matter if someone knows that he or she can worship God wherever the person wants if there is no truth in his worship?

Now of your next assertion I am ignorant. You bring up a theology that I have never heard of and cannot call Christian. In my point of view, if I understand you correctly, this is not, at the least, a traditional understanding and at the most completely un-Biblical. Am I right to assume that you are saying that the state religion of Israel was pagan and not the religion of Moses and the priests? I understand that in Jesus’ day the priesthood and religious establishment were corrupt, but they were still in the service of Jehovah and the temple was not inhabited by pagan or heretical priests. Is this what you are saying? Before I respond to this part, I would like a better explanation. Perhaps I am mistaken in my understanding.

Here we agree. The Bible does not say that you have to sell your possession or that there is a specific ritual or common worship. Jesus did not come to set up a religion but a relationship. I applaud you and find joy in having something we can agree on. Yet you contradict yourself by insisting that everyone follow your idea of (excuse my frankness) unemotional and dead ritual. There is nothing wrong with composing songs for worship. Moreover, as I have said earlier even Jesus broke the Sabbath. Yes, you are right people may use this for their own glory and gain but guess what, sorry for smashing your perfect Christian ideal, but men always have music or no music. Nevertheless, did not Paul say that whether men preach the Gospel for the glory of God or for their own glory at least the Gospel is preached? Oh and do not call what you do not understand frenzy and panic. Wow. After reading your last post I seriously doubt there is any chance of making you understand. I am at a loss for words. To be sure you have not changed my mind at all, its just that all this nonsense you use sometimes just confuses the brain( and you talk about frenzy). Word of advice all this mess you talk about--- know one understands it. Any way whatever I say you’ll change the Bible to suite you anyway its never been boring debating you but I think this will probably be my last response for a while. I just hope that everything goes according to the will of God for your church.

 
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66.82.9.105

Justin Martyr on music and the Law of Moses.

November 17 2007, 8:50 PM 

First, it is important to note that the Bible is not metrical in a tuneful sense. When the Jews (Greeks etc) use the word "sing" we understand a form of speech marked by accent and not tunful. After the Reformation when they obeyed the command to SPEAK the Psalms and other Biblical text it was this same form "using the normal inflections of the language." The Jews called it cantillation which fits Paul's word SPEAK or Ode. The word SPEAK is defined as "the opposite to poetry or music."

"Melody as tunfulness belongs to the 19th century" says the Britannica. In its modern meaning melody is still "a series of single notes." There can be no harmony or "parts."

Harmony was not discovered until beginning after the year 1200 by composers and idle monks "fiddling" with the pipe organs which were NEVER used to accompany congregational singing. Nor, did they ever accompany the chanter who cantillated the Psalms originally.

Calvin grudgingly allowed putting the Psalms to meter so that they could be sung in a very simple form. These paraphrased Psalms do not intend to be faithful to the text but carry the sentiment--as interpreted by the Bible REWRITER.

We have all been spiritually and emotionally abused because we have replaced sermonizing for the commanded "teaching that which has been taught" which was commanded and obeyed in the synagogue as "chapter by chapter, verse by verse" with a through the Bible plan.

To make us further devoid, the SINGING of modern sentimental composers violates the direct command to "sing" that which is written with one Mind and one Mouth. It needs NO proving that while you are speaking YOUR words you are telling God to SHUT UP. There are several Old Testament examples which prove that they were teling God through His prophets "we will not hear any more.

The quotes link proves that this was always the understanding.

It is a fact: sad that those who deliberately sow discord by using the Monarchy and Court Records as proof texts are totally devoid of any understanding of the context or story line. Yes, it is true: just read Acts 7 and look where Stephen POINTED without letting the theologian or song leader TWIST the passage and you will discover that it was BECAUSE of musical idolatry that God turned them over to worship the starry host: that is defined as Sabazianism or the worship of the astrial deities where the major 'god' in Egypt and the abandonment was Dionysus who showed up fully as The Abomination of Desolation.

I assure you that it is the absolute truth and you need to send the preacher back to the Bible and silence the musicians and take some time to obey the ONLY meaning of worship in Paul's writing which is to GIVE HEED to the Word of God: that which one should automatically grasp knowing that the "synagogue had no praise service" and the ekklesia Jesus used to define His assemby has about the same meaning as the synagogue. Here are some collected notes on music by Justin Martyr which will link you to the actual documents composed by Him.

http://www.piney.com/MuJustMar.html

I have never heard or read a modern theologian who grasps the FALL FROM GRACE at Mount Sinai and culminated when the elders (always the elders) fired God and demanded a king LIKE THE NATIONS. God understood them to mean "so we can WORSHIP like the nations" or Goyim: yes, like all pagans. God said that "I gave them kings in my anger and took them away in my anger." The kings--after God solemnly warned that the would ENSLAVE them--would carry out the captivity and death sentence conditionally passed because of musical idolatry at mount Sinai.

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ECKlessens

205.188.117.6

"Bible study LITE"

November 25 2007, 12:31 PM 

It is nearly impossible to get anyone in the church today to listen to the negative testimony about music that is in the bible. Those who love music and the feelings it produces will not sit down with a bible and a concordance/lexicon to discover the implications that the original Hebrew/Greek words carry. None of the teaching ministries that pride themselves on their verse-by-verse "expositional" teaching style have any right to be proud of their record when it comes to teaching on the topic of music. There is a lot of information which is plain as day in the original languages, but this information is not evident in a translation. The "expositional" teachers will take every verse and word in a passage and explain it's original meaning, usage, associations, and the resulting implications that arise from this information, but they always seem to switch to bible study "lite" mode when they come across a passage that deals with a negative association to music. All of a sudden they don't "expose" so much in their "expository" teaching.

Those who demand from scripture a clear, explicit command forbidding the use of music - have you ever stopped to think that maybe God has purposely NOT given explicit commands in this regard? That He has put PLENTY of information in His word which is readily available IF you are willing to see it? One way that people who know each other well can communicate implicitly (without explicit statements or commands) is by spending a lot of time together and noticing what kinds of words and associations the other person frames their thoughts with. You learn how they feel about a certain topic by noticing what types of associations they make when talking about it, and the nature of the words they use. There is a lot of "indirect" (parabolic) teaching done in this way by God in His word. In fact, once you begin looking at the meanings and associations behind the original Hebrew and Greek words, and see how they are used, and the people and situatuions involved, it becomes clear that God is trying to say something to those who are willing to hear. This is where churches are failing today. Most modern
churches keep their members so busy with programs, "serving", and now with entertainment, that there is no time for, and no encouragement of, serious bible study to see if all of the "serving" is being done the way God wants it. Two tools are basically all a Christian needs to get started - a bible and a Strong's concordance/dictionary of Hebrew & Greek. Without these basic tools, you will never see through the translation barrier which hides a lot of the negative testimony on music in the scriptures. It's not that the translators did a bad job. There is just no way a word-for-word translation can convey all of the information from the original laguage to another without suffering what is called "loss in translation". I will give you an example from an experience I had during my personal bible study. It is one example of many which show that there are passages of scripture you can study over and over in an English translation and still never realize the loud and clear testimony which is contained in the original language.

I was reading in the book of Numbers and had read about Balak's dread of the approaching Israelites. He hired Balaam to curse them, but Balaam was forced to bless them instead. Since Balaam wanted to get paid, he slipped hints into his prophecies that told Balak how to get Israel to become vulnerable. Get Israel to fall into iniquity and become weak (Numbers 23:21). They did this by tempting the Israelite men with young Moabite women and getting them to join in their idolatrous worship rites, which included illicit sex. 24,000 Israelites fell to this ploy. I read through chapter 25 and tried several times to read on to chapter 26, but my eyes kept going back up the page to the name Zimri in 25:14. After 3 or 4 attempts to read further, and still finding my eyes back up on the name Zimri, I decided that maybe the Lord was trying to tell me that I should stop and see what is going on with this Zimri guy. He was one of 24,000 to sin in this matter. Why was he singled out for mention? Why were his and the Midianite woman's family ties recorded? Was it because they were from prominent families? Because they were so brazen in their actions? I felt led to look at what Zimri's name means in Hebrew. After finding out it means "musical" I had a feeling I knew where this all was heading. Below is the list of the names in Numbers 25:14 along with their meanings.

Zimri = "musical"
Salu = "weighed" (in the sense that a scale is
"suspended" or "hung up". The word
'selah' found in many of the psalms
is a closely related word which means
to stop or suspend an activity)

Simeon = "hearing" (an additional association between
the concepts of scales,weighing, and
hearing is the fact that Hebrew word
for the two plates in a set of scales
is the same word used for ears)

Cozbi = "false"

Zur = "rock, strength"

Midian = "strife, contention"


This passage seems like a simple genealogy in an English translation. But to someone who knows Hebrew, and the meaning of the names, it spells out a clear message, especially when viewed in the context of the Moabites efforts to keep the children of Israel out of the promised land. Music suspends your hearing and gets you involved in an illicit union with a false rock (strength, refuge, foundation) ,and with strife, and contention. It is noteworthy that the plague among Israel was not checked until Phineas nailed "music" (Zimri)and the "falsehood" (Cozbi)to the ground with a spear and killed them. I could have read my english bible for the rest of my life and not known there was any reference to music in the baal-peor incident.

Another discovery I made is that there are two well known bible characters who are both associated with music and funerals. One is Cain, the other is Judas. Cain's name in Hebrew is kah-yin, which comes from the root word 'koon' meaning "to strike a MUSICAL note,i.e. CHANT OR WAIL AT A FUNERAL".The Greek word for Judas's moneybag is glos-sok-om-on, meaning "a case to keep mouthpieces of WIND INSTRUMENTS in; by extension, A CASKET; or a purse".

There is also a long running connection in the bible between music and the concept of "striking" which stretches all the way from Cain (his name is closely associated with both music and striking) to the garden of Gethsemane. (Look up the word Gath [#1660]along with it's root word [#5059]and then the word Shemane [8081]. It should shed some light on what kind of pressure was causing Jesus to sweat as He did. Jesus quoted Zechariah 13:7 just before entering the garden - "STRIKE the Shepherd and the sheep will be scattered". It is interesting that the word for strike here is naw-kaw, and one of the synonyms for Cain's name is kaw-naw. The Hebrew letters used are not the same in both words, but Hebrew often uses similar sounding words in word play to draw attention to something)

Music is also associated with stealing from nearly cover to cover. The musical being described in Ezekiel 28 who most people agree is Lucifer (or Hey-lel in Hebrew), is also the first being to steal something. He stole glory that was due God to himself. The serpent, or nachash, in Genesis 3 is strikingly similar to the description of Lucifer in Ez.28. He used his the sound of his "hissing" timbrels and the sight of his "shining" pipes (the pipes mentioned in Ez.28:14 are gemstone mountings or sockets) to "enchant" Eve and steal her life. (as a verb, nachash means "to hiss", as a noun it means "shining one", and the primitive root word means "enhanter or sorcerer". When you look at the fact that a timbrel makes a "hissing" sound, and the gemstone mounting "pipes" would obviously be made of "shining" metal, there is a pretty strong thematic connection between Ez. 28 and Genesis 3) The connection of music to thievery is also found in the new testament with Judas stealing from the glossokomon, and also the Greek word for flute - aulos, which is in turn derived from the root word ah-ayr. Ah-ayr (air) has as it's primary concept the ability of air to lift things and take them elsewhere. Stealing is closely connected to this word and many of it's derivatives.
Both the old and new testaments are full of many more of these kinds of derogatory associations that link music to all kinds of evil characters and occurances, but it is like pulling teeth to get people to even look into it. Most will accuse anyone who tries to bring this large amount of information to them of being legalistic, mean-spirited, blow hards who have nothing better to do than write long posts. And to defend their love of music they hold up David and the references to music being commanded in the psalms, but refuse to look at the fact that:
#1. If you read the bible accounts dealing with the institution of the monarchy it is plain as day that it was NEVER God's desire for Israel to have a king other than the Messiah. Nonetheless, there are many places where God COMMANDS that a certain person be annointed king. How do you reconcile these two facts? Many times you need to look at when,how, and why God commands a certain thing, and also when and how that command is to be carried out. If you look at the psalms that command instrumental music, in all of them there are unmistakable referrences to things that will only occur during and after the millenium. Just as God has always planned that the LORD Jesus would be King over His people and yet nonetheless COMMANDED that kings be annointed in the old testament, He also has commanded musical praise for Himself, but this praise music spoken of in the psalms is not what "worship leaders" and "praise services" are offering to Him today. God does not have eardrums that vibrate when the "worship team" starts making the air vibrate with their instruments. That is how human ears hear things, but not God. He hears in spirit. "The LORD IS my strength and MY SONG and He has become my salvation" is a part of scripture everybody knows. How many think about what that is really saying? The word "song" used in the occurances of this phrase is Strong's 2176 zim-rawth - "from 2167, instrumental music; by implication - a praise song". The LORD does not need my musical songs, HE IS SUPPOSED TO BE MY MUSICAL SONG. It doesn't say "The LORD is the focus, or the subject, of my songs. It says the LORD IS my song. He is the only music we need.
#2.If the musical references in the psalms are referring to literal music being a command/ or allowance for the church, then those same psalms are commanding/allowing us to bring animal sacrifices and to keep new moons and feast days, which is clearly not in keeping with the teaching of the new testament. How can one claim that the references to music are literal but those for sacrifices and feast days are fulfilled in Jesus Christ and no longer literal and necessary? By that line of reasoning, the commands for music in the psalms have also been fulfilled in Jesus since "The LORD IS my strength AND my SONG".
#3. One thing I have never heard anyone bring up is the fact that altough the WORDS of the psalms that were used in the temple worship were preserved while Israel went into captivity in Babylon, the music was not. If music is such an important a part of worship, why did God not preserve the accompanying music, or the design and construction of the instruments? Today if you want to fulfill a command for playing literal musical instruments as outlined in the old testament, you are in quite a quandry, because no body even knows what the instruments listed in those commands looked or sounded like. I suppose most people think it would be okay to just substitute whatever kind of instruments tickle their fancy. You don't want to get TOO literal you know, just pick and choose the parts you like.
I'm sorry if this what I am writing sounds harsh, but God has given us His word for a reason, and before we can claim to be obeying it we should study it closely for ourselves. And no, I do not think I am obeying God perfectly, but I do know that music has no edifying effect in the SPIRITUAL life of a believer.


 
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66.82.9.49

Why you MISSED Jesus and worship today!

November 25 2007, 11:37 AM 







Isaiah 30 druming God's Enemies into Hell

http://www.piney.com/Isa30LXX.html

 
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69.19.14.34

Why Praising will hide the truth

November 26 2007, 8:50 PM 





 
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66.82.9.85

Response ECKlessens

November 29 2007, 1:12 PM 






Click for Josephus 20
http://www.piney.com/Ant-20.html

 
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LUKE

66.169.107.209

this entire argument

December 5 2007, 3:30 PM 

is about the most irrelevant things. it's disgusting.

 
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66.82.9.82

Church is Synagogue or Ekklesia: verbal instruction ONLY.

December 20 2007, 6:40 PM 

Jesus gave power and headship to the synagogue which existed as the church in the wilderness. This is for those saved FROM the crooked generation: as the synagogue quaranteed the spiritual people FROM the worship of the starry host in the temple, the church or ekklesia quarantines believers from the Agora or Marketplace to which Jesus consigned all of the pipers, singers and dancers.

You can look at a collection of notes about the synagogue or ekklesia at this click site:

http://www.piney.com/Synagogue1.html

If you want to understand how the EXTERNAL PSALLO or making music explains why Jesus consigned the pipers, singers and dancers to the Agora or Marketplace you have to understand the NAMES of the different assemblies. Jesus cast out the musical minstrels trying to do their enchantment on the "dead girl." The word CAST OUT means "more or less violently like one casts out dung. He also consigned the pipers, singers and dancers" to the Agora or Marketplace. The similar Hebrew word has the meaning of "playing the flute, pollute and prostitute. As when Lucifer was cast as profane out of heaven." This paragraph has a clickable link to the AGORA which defines the EKKLESIA which absolutely outlaws acting, music or "making up your own sermon texs."

http://www.piney.com/Agora.MarketPlace.html

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Mike Clement

24.182.108.138

The Disciples

August 28 2010, 10:50 PM 

Christ Jesus did not call the disciples and then provide them with linguistic training. He told them to follow him. He gave his followers the great commission to go and make followers of him from all corners of the world. Get off your word kick, ask God what He wants you to do to bring Him glory, and I bet you it will be to let the light of Christ shine in you. Let God be angry with those you think do Him wrong. Be Christ like; turn the other cheek. One more thing: from my chair, the absolute best thing to bring anyone in line with truth is just to show them the Bible. Refute with the Bibile and the Bible only.

 
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99.177.249.211

When they no longer want to be the disciples of Christ

August 29 2010, 10:18 PM 

When more leaders ["shepherds" of the flock?] outnumber the others in making decisions just to accommodate and conform to the teachings of other religions rather to teach that which they've been taught (I Tim. 3:2; II Tim. 2:2,24), then, that's when they invite troubles and problems for the congregation they serve.

Oh, wasn't it Richland Hills "Christian Church" [oops! originally "Church of Christ"] that has been removed from the "Directory of Churches of Christ"? I thought so.

What have they done besides having deaconesses along with deacons in the church? I thought so.

I know ... I know. It's not the fault of the members of the congregation. So, it must have been the leadership's fault? I thought so.

 
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67.142.130.45

Re: When they no longer want to be the disciples of Christ

August 31 2010, 2:04 PM 

Christ Jesus did not call the disciples and then provide them with linguistic training. He told them to follow him. He gave his followers the great commission to go and make followers of him from all corners of the world. Get off your word kick, ask God what He wants you to do to bring Him glory, and I bet you it will be to let the light of Christ shine in you. Let God be angry with those you think do Him wrong. Be Christ like; turn the other cheek. One more thing: from my chair, the absolute best thing to bring anyone in line with truth is just to show them the Bible. Refute with the Bibile and the Bible only.

Of course not: they had spent a life-time attending synagogue where the PREACHED Moses and the prophets by READING each REST DAY. Since the preacher is NOT the Lord, and He commanded us to teach what He taught, we need linguistic research to SMOKE OUT the false preachers and the false Greek professors either terminally ignorant or terminally evil.

Jesus cast out the musical minstrels (a female religious team) using a word "like dung."

He consigned the pipers, singers (lamenters) and dancers to the marketplace with of the other consumables: preaching, singing, dancing, acting, selling radishes and the "children" mpst often the leaders of the chorus.

In Revelation17 he warned about the Babylonian mother of harlots who used the "lusted after fruits" (same as in Amos) as speakers, singers, instrument players, craftsmen, grinders etc and called them sorcerers. The Brides and Bridegrooms were the holy harlot in all pagan worship.

And on and on: If people think the Word is silent that may be because they are delusional: the MARK is the spectacles of religious rituals claiming that the theatrical and musical performances are FROM God or worship God.

In no case is lying about all of the curse of animal sacrifices and burning (which Christ in the prophets say were not commanded) and saying that a "spirit" told them that "God commanded instrumental praise" and we had better not be disobedient KNOWING that they were sowing discord and "stealing the church house of widows" and breaking up families can ever be redeemable as all of the musical falls prove.

As long as the members are ENABLERS keeping up the budget with a reduced congregation, they are indictable co-conspirators in a sin which cannot be redeemed. Jesus Christ died to silence the Scribes and Pharisees which He called hypocrites by naming, in the Ezekiel 33 version written by the Spirit of Christ, slick preachers, singers and instrument players. The other hypocrites were those who WENT OUT pretending to hear from the Lord when they just wanted to watch the show. God has no pity for the blind who follow the blind.

 
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Judge Knott

199.227.205.202

Making Changes???

September 1 2010, 11:58 AM 

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67.142.130.47

Yes, one of the SEVEN CITIES set on a hill

September 1 2010, 7:25 PM 

Glad you are still alive 2Preach

Rev. 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication,
....and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
Rev. 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness:
....and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast,
....full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. (can mean musical horns)


THE BEAST

Therion Satyric drama. Hunting in an erotic sense. III. as a term of reproach, beast, creature,
h mousik aei ti kainon thrion tiktei
....Meaning A new Style of song or drama!


....A. mousikos
....B. aei always
....C. kainos , esp. of new dramas, the representation of the new tragedies,
.... (Aphrodisias dedicated to Aphrodite (ZOE); comedy, sexual love, pleasure,
....a woman's form of oath, Aster or Venus or ZOE.
....D. Tikto mostly of the mother
....E. of Rhea one of the zoogonic or vivific principles

Rev. 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour,
....and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls,
....having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
Rev. 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written,
....MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT,
....THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.


SHE USES LUSTED AFTER FRUITS: THE SAME ONES IN AMOS

>THUS hath the Lord God shewed unto me: and behold a basket of summer fruit. Amos 8:1
And he said, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A basket of summer fruit. Then said the Lord unto me,
....The end is come upon my people of Israel;
....I will not again pass by them any more. Amos 8:2


Keluwb (h3619) kel-oob'; from the same as 3611; a bird-trap (as furnished with a clap-stick or treadle to spring it); hence a basket (as resembling a wicker cage): - basket, cage.

As a cage is full of birds, so are their houses full of deceit:
therefore they are become great, and waxen rich. Je.5:27

Keleb (h3611) keh'leb; from an unused root mean. to yelp, or else to attack; a dog; hence (by euphemism) a male prostitute: - dog.

For dogs have compassed me: the assembly [multitude, swarm] of the wicked have inclosed me:
....they pierced my hands and my feet. Ps.22:16

His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs,
....they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber. Is. 56:10

Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough,
....and they are shepherds that cannot understand:
....they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter. Is.56:11

And I will appoint over them four kinds, saith the Lord: the sword to slay,
....and the dogs to tear, and the fowls of the heaven,
....and the beasts of the earth, to devour and destroy. Je.15:3

Rev. 18:14 And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.

Bacchus or Dionysus was one of the diet sects silenced in Romans 14. Bacchus is Dionysus or the old wineskin god of wine, perversion and music. They "piped" hoping that the could initiate Jesus and others: when they bowed to Baal the initiation made them sing or weep and DANCE.

Opôr-a belonging to bakcheios III. metaph., life's summer, the time of youthful ripeness, Pi.I.2.5

Bakch-eios or Bakcheios, A. of or belonging to Bacchus and his rites, botrus S.Fr.255.2 ; nomos, rhuthmos X.Smp.9.3 , etc.: hence, frenzied, rapt

Pindar, Ishmian 2.[1] The men of old, Thrasybulus, who mounted the chariot of the Muses with their golden headbands, joining the glorious lyre, lightly shot forth their honey-voiced songs for young men, if one was handsome and had [5] the sweetest ripeness that brings to mind Aphrodite on her lovely throne. [6] For in those days the Muse was not yet a lover of gain, nor did she work for hire. And sweet gentle-voiced odes did not go for sale, with silvered faces, from honey-voiced Terpsichore. But as things are now, she bids us heed [10] the saying of the Argive man, which comes closest to actual truth: [11]

Money, money makes the man, he said, when he lost his wealth and his friends at the same time.


When you lie about the Word of God He sends you STRONG DELUDERS so that you believe a lie and and are damned: people are CONSUMED by the breath of their own lips. Lying Wonders are all of the rhetorical, performing an musical arts andcrafts which they CLAIM are from God or worship God as they engage in a totally effeminate and embarssing spectacle.

Once you make the connection that the ekklesia / synagogue is a "worship center" you have fallen into IMPURE worship. And once you make the connection between the arousal in your flesh and spiritual worship you are HARD WIRED and can never recover. If you are a financial enabler you too will fall into the ditch which is the PIT reserved for Lucifer (Zoe) and all he / she / it can seduce with the wind, string and percussion instruments.

Christ's Spirit to Isaiah said that the MARK in sight and sound of God driving His enemies into "hell" will be the wind, string and percussion instruments Lucifer--the singing and harp-playing prostitute--brought into the garden of Eden.

http://www.piney.com/Isa30LXX.html




 
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Judge Knott

199.227.205.202

What Hills?

September 2 2010, 11:40 AM 

Oddly enough there are no 'hills' in Richland Hills unless you consider the man made overpass on the highway!

 
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72.171.0.141

Re: RHCC Alive and Praising

September 2 2010, 1:08 PM 

I intended to quip that Armageddon speaks more of a polemic "war of words" instead of the war of the world. I see a small batch of PIMPLES on the plains trying to gain their mountain kingdom and become MOUNTAINS. One definition of the BEAST is Pan and the horns can be musical horns helping the little pimples look to the hills.

I try not to stretch things too far, but there is nothing in the Bible or realm of minimal common decenct which would allow humanoid species to lie, cheat and steal with seemingly miraculous powers. I got led into the following where the words CAN and HAVE meant:

Rev 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Daimonios , a, on: also os, on A.Th.892, Lys.6.32, OGI383.175 (Commagene):
2. of persons, t d. hs alths kai thaumast Id.Smp.219b; ho peri toiauta sophos d. anr ib.203a; daimonios tn sophian Luc.Philops.32: Comp. -teros D.C.53.8.


Thaumasto has the same meaning as the word for Lying Wonders including all of the hypocritic arts and crafts which work to fool the foolish."

An Example.

Plat. Sym. 203a and incantations, and all soothsaying and sorcery.
....God with man does not mingle:
....but the spiritual is the means of all society and converse of men with gods
....and of gods with men, whether waking or asleep.
Whosoever has skill in these affairs is a spiritual man to have it in other matters,
....as in common arts and crafts, is for the mechanical.
....Many and multifarious are these spirits, and one of them is Love.

Thaumasto (wonder working) which is defined by the sophist words:
Sophos , , on, A. skilled in any handicraft or art, clever, harmatlatas s. Pi.P.5.115, cf. N.7.17; kubernts A.Supp.770; mantis Id.Th.382; oinothetas S.OT484 (lyr.); of a sculptor, E.Fr.372; even of hedgers and ditchers, Margites Fr.2; but in this sense mostly of poets and musicians, Pi.O.1.9, P.1.42, 3.113; en kithara s.

Sophon: sophia , Ion. -i, h(, prop. A. cleverness or skill in handicraft and art, as in carpentry, tektonos, hos rha te pass eu eid s. Il.15.412; of the Telchines, Pi.O.7.53; h entekhnos s., of Hephaestus and Athena, Pl.Prt.32 1d; of Daedalus and Palamedes, X.Mem.4.2.33, cf. 1.4.2; in music and singing, tekhn kai s. h.Merc.483, cf. 511; in poetry, Sol.13.52, Pi.O.1.117, Ar.Ra.882, X.An.1.2.8, etc.; in driving, Pl. Thg.123c; in medicine or surgery, Pi.P.3.54; in divination, S.OT 502


Working Poieo to make or produce. Bring something new in existence 4. after Hom., of Poets, compose, write, p. dithurambon, epea, Hdt.1.23, 4.14; p. theogonin Hellsi Id.2.53; p. Phaidran, Saturous, Ar.Th.153, 157; p. kmdian, tragdian, etc., Pl.Smp.223d; palindian Isoc.10.64, Pl.Phdr.243b, etc.; poimata Id.Phd.60d: abs., write poetry, write as a poet

Miracles are signs:

Semeion signal for battle, ta s. rth, katespasth, Th.1.49,63, etc.; kathairein to s. to take it down, strike the flag, as a sign of dissolving an assembly, And.1.36 to ts ekklsias s. Ar.Th.278

The TECHNICAL or performing arts of rhetoric, singing, playing instruments and all of the crafts used in a pseudo church are defined as sorcery in Revelation 18:22-23

The SIGN is to "begin the battle" of Armageddon. It is also the MARK of "Striking the flag to dissolve the ekklesia" or Church. In Revelation 18 it is Jesus Christ Who has visited and removed the LAMPS and as God says in Amos "I will never pass by here again."

Those who DELIBERATELY START THE WAR to wrestle the "Richland" away from its founders so they can "make a place in the mainstream for musicians which both amaze and repel" have the burden to prove that any part of this is false reading.

 
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184.74.34.159

Just Checking In

October 8 2010, 12:17 PM 

Well, I see that concernedmembers.com is alive and well, and still spewing venom. It has been years since I visited this sight, but the vitriole is the same. Curse those who don't agree with the old line Church of Christ doctrines. Why am I not surprised? Phariseeism is as phariseeism does. You know, even when a C of C adds the instruments, it's still a C of C! I know people in those churches that now use instruments in worship, and while they enjoy their new found freedom, many of them still refuse to fellowship with christians in other denominations. They still believe as long as they're in a building that has "Church of Christ" over the door, they're just fine. Furthermore, they still have a form of godliness and deny the power. Instrumental music or a lack thereof is not going to bolster anyone's faith or cause the church to grow (unless you consider gaining members from other churches to be growth).

Life sustaining faith and real church growth only come from an "Acts 2" experience. I'm not just speaking of Acts 2:38. Rather, I am speaking of the WHOLE chapter. When God's Spirit falls on a church and signs and wonders occur (and yes, I mean prophecies, words of knowledge, healings, and SPEAKING IN TONGUES), then Christians' faith will be bolstered and the church will grow.

No, instrumental music, has little to do with being the church in the grander schem of things. It's being empowered by the Holy Spirit that makes the difference.

 
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99.177.249.211

James, you forgot to...

October 8 2010, 9:09 PM 

... tell us which brand of Pentecostalism is your favorite. I notice that the "venom" spewed all over you just does not have any effect on you.

You remind me of an ex-church member with the spirit-endowed capacity to SPEAK IN TONGUES:

"Could you just close your eyes just for a second and help me out. O-uh-God-those who have spiritual tongues go ahead and speak forth in them. Let's worship the Lord. Go to his throne because his perfect word comes down from his throne. It flows over the edge of the rivers of living water. Flows down ... down into our lives and into our spirits. Many times we have to ascend into heaven to receive the very word of the Lord. And it's hard for us to open up with our eyes around us, and see the things going on around us, to receive the word of the Lord. Let's just worship. Confess out loud. Let's just pray in the spirit right now."
Kalla ma sone, da fa kooka shores. It kin da la key la shone da la kene (his voice becomes hoarse and is reduced to an indistinguishable whisper). Bear fose sone ta wentta lone (voice trails off into a whisper again). Da lotta tongue de cush¬a¬wong do so coo toe. Ah shon da ba she dees ... O. Lord, your good ... Gash a la mon sewer. El ah ma she sa (more whispering). Fa kon a la ma dorman begetta see de so lawsuit...

"O, Lord, O. Lord ... Lord ... come ... into ... and reside, right now. You withhold nothing. You tell us that you withhold nothing. Freely receive this morning. We freely receive. We need your word, Father. We are as dry and thirsty as the land around us (voice, Right). We need to feel your hand upon us. We need to feel the finger that you carved the ten commandments out of in stone -burning down inside of us. Ahhh ... following your comforting word ... we needa a gentle word ... We need the word we can crawl up into your lap and say, 'Ah it is good. It's good to be with you. It's good to be with ye. It's good to be with ye.' (Long pause.) Thank you, Father. Thank ya fer turnip' the air conditioner on. Thank ya for answerin' our prayers and cooling down. Now, we can readily receive your word, Father. Father forgive us of any murmuring (Voice, that's right), and grumblin', which you hate (voice, Amen). Kept the Israelites in the wilderness forty years 'cause they did that. And we will not murmur this morning. We will not grumble at the things ... things ... that are happening around us. The heat (voice, That's right). The repositioning of men. Father, it is your will. It is your hand....

 
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Don't get PLUCKED by Liars who are not Disciples

October 17 2010, 8:28 PM 

In the days of Jesus the job of the Scribes and Pharisees--doctors of the law, hypocrites as speakers, singers and instrument players was to try to silence Jesus Christ. That is the meaning of exorcists doing sacrificial music keeping you silent so the priests called "heretics" can lift you up to cut your throat. That's the end of almost all humans.

They deny that Christ the Spirit guiding Paul had even the minimal ability to find a word meaning
"play and an instrument." Psallo means to pluck a bowstring or the hair out of your head. Here are some words Christ the Spirit COULD have used if He had a Phd from ACU.

To a simple simon Greek swine trader in the marketplace, you would need a distinct word for each instrument you wanted to play. There are NO such words in the entire Bible and if you try to keep people out of the kingdom with the PSALLO word all history notes that you HAVE been plucked.

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Review: Danny Corbitt: Missing More than Music
http://www.piney.com/Danny.Corbitt.Instruments.html

Danny Corbitt Anti Ferguson Psalmos
http://www.piney.com/Psalmos.Corbitt.Ferguson.html

Jay Guin Defending Danny Corbitt
http://www.piney.com/Jay.Guin.Everet.Ferguson.Danny.Corbitt.html

Review: Danny Corbitt Denying Justin Martyr
http://www.piney.com/Danny.Corbit.Justin.Martyr.Instrumental.Music.html

Matt Dabbs--Danny Corbitt Ripening Issues
http://www.piney.com/Danny.Corbitt.Matt.Dabbs.Ripening.Issues.html



 
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67.142.130.37

Don't get PLUCKED by Liars who are not Disciples

October 17 2010, 8:30 PM 

In the days of Jesus the job of the Scribes and Pharisees--doctors of the law, hypocrites as speakers, singers and instrument players was to try to silence Jesus Christ. That is the meaning of exorcists doing sacrificial music keeping you silent so the priests called "heretics" can lift you up to cut your throat. That's the end of almost all humans.

They deny that Christ the Spirit guiding Paul had even the minimal ability to find a word meaning
"play and an instrument." Psallo means to pluck a bowstring or the hair out of your head. Here are some words Christ the Spirit COULD have used if He had a Phd from ACU.

To a simple simon Greek swine trader in the marketplace, you would need a distinct word for each instrument you wanted to play. There are NO such words in the entire Bible and if you try to keep people out of the kingdom with the PSALLO word all history notes that you HAVE been plucked.

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Review: Danny Corbitt: Missing More than Music
http://www.piney.com/Danny.Corbitt.Instruments.html

Danny Corbitt Anti Ferguson Psalmos
http://www.piney.com/Psalmos.Corbitt.Ferguson.html

Jay Guin Defending Danny Corbitt
http://www.piney.com/Jay.Guin.Everet.Ferguson.Danny.Corbitt.html

Review: Danny Corbitt Denying Justin Martyr
http://www.piney.com/Danny.Corbit.Justin.Martyr.Instrumental.Music.html

Matt Dabbs--Danny Corbitt Ripening Issues
http://www.piney.com/Danny.Corbitt.Matt.Dabbs.Ripening.Issues.html



 
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A new AUTHORITY for instrumental noise outlawed by Christ from the wilderness onward.

February 20 2011, 1:31 PM 

Jay Guin Thinks that knowledgable members of the Church of Christ believe.

That God commanded instruments for the temple worship.
The Temple has been replaced by the church.
Because people "worshiped" God with instruments outside of the temple.
It is authority for believers to conduct the assembly with "instrumental worship."

http://www.piney.com/Jay.Guin.Instrumental.Music.Old.Testament.html

First, no literate person in recorded history believed that God commanded king, kingdom, temple, sacrifices of innocent animals and instrumental noise to serve the slaughter priests.

Secondly, Christ ordained the qahal, synagogue or church of Christ in the wilderness as a school of the Word: for the irreverent Christ outlawed vocal or instrumental rejoicing.

Jay uses David "making merry" while moving the Ark to Zion as authority for music in the School of Christ. In fact, people are probably guided "beyond the sacred pages" to use as THEIR authority that which was always a mark of God's judgment.


Jay Guin: When the ark was being brought to Jerusalem, David and the people celebrated and worshiped with instrumental music as spontaneous worship and not as part of the formal liturgy of the Tabernacle.

(2Sa 6:5 ESV) 5 And David and all the house of Israel were making merry before the LORD, with songs and lyres and harps and tambourines and castanets and cymbals.


David was causing a large body of people and not just those of the tribe of Levi to "MAKE MERRY" which is the same rising up to PLAY performed at Mount Sinai. This was a sin beyond redemption and God abandoned them to their lusted after 'worship of the STARS."

I believe this is a cold, calculated way to separate people based on the MARKS. It is the confession of John's prophecy in Revelation 17-18.


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So mock: eat, drink and make merry for you are an ACTOR of an event of Biblical Proportions.



 
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Logos Versus Mythos and Anathema

March 15 2011, 9:16 AM 

I have posted two quick studies: having anathema pronounced on you because you tell the truth about the musical discorders, like all such accusations not founded on the Bible, turnes and rends and pronounces a terminal sentence on people who would lie to god, about God and lie to the owners of the property and feeders of their face.

The Logos Versus Mythos antithesis is well documented in the Bible and other recorded history.
Logos is masculine and of the mind or spirit: Mythos is of the gender confused world of music and poetry and being SELF composed is forced to change to fit the culture and deny Christ.

http://www.piney.com/Logos.Mythos.Word.Versus.Music.html

Anathema speaks of anything that has been dedicated to God in the sense of temples and superstitious rituals (preaching, singing, playing which mocks God). That which has been abandoned to such false temples CANNOT BE REDEEMED and must be BURNED like the burnt goats used by Rick which God did not command.

http://www.piney.com/Anathema.And.Musical.Worship.html

The MARK in sight and sound of this burning from their own lips is defined by Christ in Isaiah 30 which explains FOR WHOM hell was created.

http://www.piney.com/Isa30LXX.html

The speakers, singers and instrument players in Revelation 18 are called by John, sorcerers who along with the dogs and liars are to be cast alive into the lake of fire.

 
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Re: Logos Versus Mythos and Anathema

March 18 2011, 7:15 AM 

Ken

The 25 thesis posted on Richland hills door is stupid

Freaking grow up and love God more than your unbiblical judgmental doctrine

Don't act like a Pharisee

You have no attitude of love in your words, and don't resemble Jesus in the slightest way

Weaker brother

 
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Pharisees are hypocrites: performers in song, sermon or machine for doing hard work.

March 18 2011, 9:24 AM 

Peter made it clear that the WORD for faith and practice is the PROPHETS by the Spirit OF Chris and the Prophecies made more perfect by Jesus Christ. Peter says that this "memory" left for us is not subject to private interpretation or "further expounding."

The FOUNDATION being used to "cast people out of their own synagogue" is the Levites who made noise and never music. Rick's 2 Chronicles 29 message he got from "a" spirit was ONLY during the burning of the GOATS (capella) for a plague-stopping exorcism. Christ in all of the prophets says that God DID NOT commande the king, kingdom, temple, animal sacrifices or the Warrior Levites cursed by Jacob in

Genesis 49.

Jesus calls Scribe and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES by naming mercinary speakers, singers and instrument players: A hypocrite is anyone who CLAIMS the power to "further expound" the Word of Christ.

hupokrinomai 1 2 3 later also aor1 and perf. pass. in mid. sense
I. to reply, make answer, answer, Hom., Hdt. responsive singing
2. to expound, interpret, explain, Od., Ar.:the attic word in this sense is apo-krinomai.
II. of actors, to answer on the stage: hence to play a part, tn Antigonn hupokekritai Dem.; hup. to basilikon to take the king's part, Arist.; hupokr. tragdian, kmdian to play a tragedy, a comedy, id=Arist.; absol. to play a part, be an actor, id=Arist.
2. to represent dramatically: hence to exaggerate, Dem.
3. metaph. to play a part, to feign, pretend, c. inf., id=Dem.


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A person PRESUMING to further expound the Word of God in Christ in song or sermon IS THE JUDGE:

krin0 i_ separate, put asunder, distinguish
5. expound, interpret in a particular way, to enupnion taut ekrinan Hdt. 1.120, cf. 7.19, A.Pr.485, etc.:in Med., ho gern ekrinat' oneirous Il. 5.150. Sophon
II. of things, cleverly devised, wise, nomos [man made laws: Legalism]


Jesus said that God HIDES HIMSELF from the WISE: THE SOPHON OR WISE ARE.

sophos , , on,
A. skilled in any handicraft or art, clever Margites Fr.2; but in this sense mostly of poets and musicians, Pi.O.1.9, P.1.42, 3.113; en kithara s. E.IT1238 (lyr.), cf. Ar.Ra.896 (lyr.), etc.; tn tekhnn -teros ib.766; peri ti Pl.Lg.696c; glss s. S.Fr.88.10; also en oinois, kithara, E. IT662, 1238 (lyr.);


All of those SECTARIANS imposing instruments into a peaceable church knowing that they will sow discord and force up to half of the OWNERS out of their own synagogue are those who are HATED by God.

Question: do you affirm before God and man that it is acceptable to lie about all of the "instrument" passages when he DOES NOT KNOW or care about the context to deliberately sow massive discord around the world is SOMETHING WE MUST ACCEPT WITHOUT trying to teach those taken captive when there are no preachers who know WHY God connected instruments with the Devil and the effeminate?

Jesus CAST OUT the musical minstrels "like dung" and defined HELL as a place prepared for those who deny the WORDS of Christ in the Prophets and Apostles and substitute MYTHOS which is dogma or that which comes out of their "imagination of man which is only evil continually."

GOD HIDES HIMSELF FROM THE SOPHISTS: makers of songs, sermons and player of instrument: Christ in Isaiah 30 shows that the MARK in sight and sound of God driving His enemies into hell is "wind, string and percussion instruments." If I didn't warn against those eternal enemies who HAD deceived the world then their blood would be on my hands.








 
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