Truitt Adair Reviews Rick Atchley ReviewedOctober 19 2007 at 5:47 PM
|Ken Sublett |
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Music was and is a LADED BURDEN for which honest people have to pay BURDEN LADERS. Here is the meaning of the word REST Jesus died to give us. If you are doing ANY of thess things then you have RESTORED legalism and bondage.
Truitt Adair agrees too much with Rick Atchley: ifGod COMMANDED instrumental praise for the congregation even when Stephen knew that God turned them over to worship the starry host because of musical rejoicing.
Then it is true that God enjoys people worshipping the starry host and you probably need a New Testament LAW to change that.
God did not command a king, kingdom, temple, animal slaughter or the Levites to make aloud noise during the process: I think that means that the latter day church has deviated from the Restoration principle that understood that the sacrificial system wasa CURSE totally exterminatedby the sacrifice of Jesus of Nazareth who fulfilled it all.
The Senior Pastor partnered with the NACC agents to out a decades-old agenda to add instrumental music even though the proof texts he uses PROVES that he is restoring the CURSED system which led Israel into captivity and death.
Apparently there is no loyalty to the church of Christ and you may want to consider whether you want your "investment with the lord" diverted into a truly non-denominatal church probably soon to remove CHRIST from the identifier. Non-denominational means "we will accept any one's money." Now, with a famous Baptists the churches in your area might want to watch for sheep slipping out of your fold.
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Even in MUSICAL churches, they have to have BLENDED worship music: doesn't that mean a DIVIDED congregation? Especially since there is no role for "performance music" in the ekklesia or synagogue or school of the Bible. Especially since Jesus died to REMOVE the laded burden or mental excitement always manufactured by music to fit the lust of the ear and teams to satisfy the lust of the eye.
|This message has been edited by Ken.Sublett from IP address 18.104.22.168 on Feb 16, 2012 11:16 AM|
|May 9 2011, 11:25 AM |
"CURSED system which led Israel into captivity and death."
Are you saying that the playing of musical instruments in worship is the cause of Israel going into captivity? Where in the Bible does it say that?
Well, Yes: God said it, the Prophets said it, Stephen said it
|May 10 2011, 10:40 AM |
You really cannot blame people who have let music shut down their rational or spiritual mind so that sermonizers and versifiers can pour their infantile garbage into their brains. I can't find any difference among any of the "scholars" who have suddenly taken the MARK even thought they thought that they were of the ver elect. Strong delusions is the meaning of too many churches who have abandoned ekklesia/synagogue or A School of the Word and replaced it with a "worship service" which always meant hard bondage and captivity.
However, God shows no pity for those who follow the blind leaders who fall into the ditch or pit or Hell itself says Jesus of the rhetoricians, singers and instrument players in Isaiah 30 and John repeats it in Rev 17-18.
|May 11 2011, 12:36 PM |
Ok, I'll try this again.
Where in the Bible does it say that the playing of musical instruments in worship, or any other time, was the cause of Israel going into captivity? Please try to refrain from exploring conspiracy theories.
Re: Say What!
|December 15 2011, 2:10 PM |
.........Are you saying that the playing of musical instruments in worship is the cause of Israel going into captivity? Where in the Bible does it say that? .......
Really close to where Jesus used instruments to praise GOD!
Look at Exodus 31
|May 10 2011, 10:57 AM |
Sabbath never meant a day of worship: it means REST from the pagan religions held on the superstitious seventh day. They godly people assembled to hear the Word OF God (only) and not be taken captive by the robbers and parasites Jesus called Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites by naming speakers, singers and instrument players.
Rest in Greek is PAUO and means "Stop the speaking, singing and playing."
Keep has the same meaning as HELD the harps meaning STOP them from making noise: never means to play.
If everyone missed Acts 7 it may be too late to DEPROGRAM
|May 11 2011, 3:01 PM |
Here is one of MANY examples which no preacher or scholar you know of involved in the present heresy has read OR they are tasked to carry the church BEYOND BABYLON as pictured in Revelation 17-18. Why do you think they PROMOTE the use of rhetoricians, singers, instrument players and performers whom John called SORCERERS who HAD deceived the whole world. Time is short.
Acts 7:41 And they made a calf in those days,
......and offered sacrifice unto the idol,
and rejoiced in the works of their own hands..
What is the meaning of rejoiced or PLAYED?
Euphrain , Ep. euphr-, fut. Att.155.12, Pi.I.7(6).3 II. Pass., make merry, enjoy oneself,
Defining the Crooked race or those "getting drunk" before singing:
Pind. I. 6 Just as we mix the second bowl of wine when the men's symposium is flourishing, here is the second song of the Muses (Rev 18:22) for Lampon's children and their athletic victories: first in Nemea, Zeus, in your honor they received the choicest of garlands, (this is the CROOKED RACE)
Aristoph. Ach. 5 I was in ecstasy and I love the Knights for this deed; it is an honour to Greece. But the day when I was impatiently awaiting a piece by Aeschylus, what tragic despair it caused me when the herald called, Theognis, introduce your Chorus! Just imagine how this blow struck straight at my heart!
Xen. Sym. 7.5 However, these questions also fail to promote the same object that wine does;
......but if the young people were to have a flute accompaniment
......and dance figures depicting the Graces, the Horae, and the Nymphs,
......I believe that they would be far less wearied themselves and that
......the charms of the banquet would be greatly enhanced. (these are the holy whores as "brides" in Revelation 18)
Upon my word, Socrates, replied the Syracusan, you are quite right; and I will bring in a spectacle that will delight you.
1 Or, the Seasons. Or it may be used here in the Homeric sense of the maidens who kept the cloud gate of Heaven.
Acts 7:42 Then God turned,
...... and gave them up to worship the host of heaven;
...... as it is written in the book of the prophets,
......O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts
......and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness?
If God gave them up to worship the STARRY HOST, what gods do you think they worshipped and now used as the PATTERNISM for a small ban of sowers of discord?
Acts 7:43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan,
......Figures which ye made to worship them:
......and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.
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Re: Richland Hills Church: Its Senior Pastor's Other Partnership
|May 11 2011, 3:29 PM |
Here is one of MANY examples which no preacher....
Israel rose up to PLAY at Mount Sinai: they visualized the always-pagan trinity of Osiris, Isis and Hathor (father, mother, little child) under the image of Apis the golden calf or calves which represented their GODS.
God removed The Book of The Covenant of Grace and gave The Book of The Law to regulate the lawless until He very shortly used the kings to drive them into slavery, captivity and death.
The PLAY at Mount Sinai is the same as David's naked dance when moving the ark of the covenant to a Jebusite High place already set up for Sabazianism or the worship of the Starry host. Whatever they called their "gods" they worshipped the astrial deities as the Bible makes clear and the Jewish Encyclopedia affirms.
The PLAY or sporting of Samson ties the two words together and shows that the play at Mount Sinai involed sexual play: David boasted that he made himself vile with the camp following slaves.
PLAY AT MOUNT SINAI
PLAY BY SAMSON (sexually abused) AND DAVID
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|June 30 2011, 1:49 PM |
So David is an apostate. Isn't he the guy that God called a "man after my own heart?" Question is "do I believe you or God?" - Ha, that's a no brainer.
God's WILL was to carry the nation BEYOND BABYLON
|June 30 2011, 5:30 PM |
If you will back up you will find that it was because of musical idolatry that God turned them over to worship the starry host (Acts 7). He gave them the Book of the Law and sentenced them to return to beyond babylon. When the elders fired God and demanded a king, God understood that they wanted to worship like the nations. He abandoned them to kings to carry out His will: His will was to lead the people through Canaan and int captivity and death.
If you will read some of the Prophets by Christ who with the Apostles is the foundation upon which the Church is built.
The cursed monarchy was not the church: the church function was in the Qahal, synagogue or church in the wilderness. That absolutely outlawed vocal or instrumental rejoicing including rhetoric or elevated forms of speaking.
Contrary to most preachers and scholars the Sacrificial system was NOT commanded by God other than to abandon them with the threat that the kings would DO HIS WILL and He would not rescue them: the penalty for musical idolatry of the Egyptian trinity. Before chapter 13 we have chapter 7 which defines the musical idolatry and the DETERMINED WILL OF GOD.
This proves that God abandoned them to Sabazianism which is well defined by the Dionysus or Bacchus Worship. The godly people NEVER attended the NOT COMMANDED animal burning which Christ says God did not command.
Acts 13:21 And afterward they desired a king:
.....and God gave unto them Saul the son of Cis,
.....a man of the tribe of Benjamin, by the space of forty years.
Acts 13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king;
.....to whom also he gave testimony, and said,
.....I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart,
.....which shall fulfil all my will.
David was the CARNAL TYPE of King: Jesus was the ANTITHESIS or the DIRECT OPPOSITE to the carnal king, kingdom, temple, animal slaughter as well as baby slaughter. Messiah is the DAVID of the "stump" of Jesse whom God approved. If He cursed the nation by abandoing them to the proven stary worship none of the kings were worship leaders and were the ANTITHESIS to the commanded synagogue which quarantined the godly people FROM the temple.
22 kai metastsas auton geiren ton Daueid autois eis basilea, h kai eipen martursas hEuron Daueid ton tou Iessai, andra kata tn kardian mou, hos poisei panta ta thelmata mou.
The WILL of God was PREdetermined at Mount Sinai: it was finalized when the elders demanded a SENIOR PASTOR to rule over them.
"The quotation from Acts refers to David early in life, before he had fallen into those great sins which cast such a shadow upon his administration...This commendation is not absolute, but describes the character of David in comparison with that of Saul...It merely indicates a man whom God will approve, in distinction from Saul, who was rejected" (Haley's Bible Handbook, p. 222).
Here is a passage which shows that God approved him by the FIRST WAYS.
And the Lord was with Jehoshaphat,
because he walked in the first ways of his father David,
and sought not unto Baalim; 2Chr.17:3
Again this passage just means that GOD SELECTED David instead of letting the people pick the king.
In the second place GOD'S STATED will without redemption after they fired Him and desired a king was to lead them into captivity and death.
The problem is universally three-fold in the "brotherhood."
1. First, they do not know how the threads split without redemption at the Red Sea.
2. Second, they do not know that beginning in the wilderness the Godly people were restricted to their precincts to PROTECT them from the universal SUN worship on the seventh days.
3. You do not know of a preacher or "scholar" who understands that church is EKKLESIA or SYNAGOGUE: in neither one did the members compose their own material for dialog (only). The unique worship word in the New Testament is to give heed to that which is written. Why else would they pick the private struming by a KING as the PATTERNISM for what is proven to be A School of Christ (the Campbells). We adults do not make music when Christ comes to be our sole teacher when the elders (only) teach that which has been taught.
Reading BLACK text on BROWN paper.
|July 4 2011, 6:39 PM |
Don't you wonder how preachers can suck so many people up into a vortext so that they have their spiritual eyes poked out and clap all of the way:
Not So Fast
|July 7 2011, 5:55 AM |
You may not make much sense (not sure if you really want to), and when you do you never give the positive outlook of Love and Hope that Christ projected, but I did read the quote that you gave from Haley's Bible Handbook that read "The quotation from Acts refers to David early in life, before he had fallen into those great sins which cast such a shadow upon his administration...This commendation is not absolute, but describes the character of David in comparison with that of Saul...It merely indicates a man whom God will approve, in distinction from Saul, who was rejected" (Haley's Bible Handbook, p. 222).
That is nothing more than another man's opinion. The fact is that David always showed his love for God, even when he sinned. He admitted humbly to the prophet Nathan that he had sinned. Ken, if David wasn't so loved by God, even in his older life, as this writer presumes, then why do we still see the Psalms? Why do we know more about King David than most any other Biblical men and women? Because, even til death, he showed a great love and commitment to God.
1 Chronicles 29
26 David son of Jesse was king over all Israel. 27 He ruled over Israel forty yearsseven in Hebron and thirty-three in Jerusalem. 28 He died at a good old age, having enjoyed long life, wealth and honor. His son Solomon succeeded him as king.
|July 8 2011, 6:59 PM |
You will notice that the up arrow is worship which points only upward. On the other hand since we non-legalists have nothing God needs, a TRUE ekklesia has the green arrow pointed downward. The proof is that the upward celebrative attempt to do comething for God which will redeem total lostness wich is the mark of the beast.
The Church is A School (only) of the Word of Christ (only) specificially built or educated upon the foundation of the Prophets and Apostles. It seems that RH has followed the absolute patternism using "music to make the Lamb dumb before the slaughter.
666 is the number of a name: 666 isn't in the Bible but six hundred + sixty + six is in the Greek which is off limits to those God has cast off. Each of these terms are used in a very large sense identifying the musical celebration of Apollo (Abaddon, Apollyon) who has unleasshed the loocusts or muses for Bible readers.
Rick began by using the pyramid of power which is a ziggurat: a tower of Babylon. The new logo is the clearest 666 both as a picture and as denouncing the DOWNWARD arrow where Christ is the Teacher and we are disciples. Disciples worship ONLY in giving attention to the Master Teacher. Jesus said He would always give you a way of escape: the saved are the FEW.
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Re: The Mark?
|February 9 2012, 12:12 PM |
Okay, more equivocation here. "Play" in the passage referring to the Israelites at Mount Sinai is used in the sense of "frolic", which I suspect involved a lot more than a rousing game of freeze tag. You use it in then sense of "perform on a musical instrument". There may very well have been music involved but the point of the passage is not to condemn musical instruments, it is to report that Israel, as a nation, very quickly and impulsively forgot what God had just brought them through. Your argument is invalid.
|February 9 2012, 1:56 PM |
Have you noticed that all of the IMPOSERS of instruments and instrumentalists ALWAYS have to explain away the Biblical text.
Neither Preachers nor "scholars" ever look where Scripture points as long as they have their McGuffy Lexicon.
Throughout the Bible including the PATTERN for the Church of Christ and Stephen seemed to understand the meaning. Jesus said that truth had been hidden from the foundation from those who have no need to know: the WORLD for which He refused to PRAY and the WISE or Sophists meaning rhetoricians, singers, players, dancers or actors.
Why do you think that ALL preachers and doctors of the law just fabricate their "scripture" in song and sermon? Why do they have such absolute contempt for the Bible and the very definition of words.
When they rose up to PLAY they played musical instruments and played with one another.
See the Musical Idolatry of the Egyptian trinity at Mount Sinai.
And What Christ in the prophets understood
Scripture is written for our learning and the command is to teach it with one mind and one mouth." Scripture is not for private interpretation (further expounding) or corrupting (selling learning at retail." Why not obey the direct command from the Church of Christ in the wilderness oneward:
PREACH the Word by READING the Word for its teaching and it's comfort?
Not only do musical invaders and takers deliberately disobey all of thy rules for conducting synagogue or ekklesia they are forced to LIE to God and about GOD by taking what God permitted as a terminal curse and saying that "a" spirit said God was commanding the "audience" to obey the sentence of those consigned to Babylon.
It was and IS the instrumental music which brings on a state of ecstasy--whichy Seidman seems to boast about in getting the ENERGY (work) LEVEL up. Music is fiddling with the very wave nature of all that we see as fleshly.
When Paul said don't get METHUO with Wine, the simple simons of that day would know was that wine sellers and prostitues got you FLUTED DOWN WITH WINE.
Re: Exodus 32
|February 10 2012, 6:17 PM |
BCV for the playing of musical instruments at Mt Sinai, please.
Re: Exodus 32
|February 10 2012, 6:22 PM |
Exodus 32 is the relevant passage. Music isn't even mentioned.
Re: Exodus 32
|February 10 2012, 6:27 PM |
Where does the Bible say it is okay to lie when teaching the Word? You lied about musical idolatry at Mt Sinai; at the very least, you let your lexicon assume the authority of the Bible.
The Pot and the Kettle
|February 16 2012, 1:25 PM |
"Have you noticed that all of the IMPOSERS of instruments and instrumentalists ALWAYS have to explain away the Biblical text."
-- and the pot calls the kettle black.
Acts 7 etal
|February 10 2012, 7:02 PM |
Sorry but it is true, strong delusions fall on anyone pretty jiffy quick when they think they have the authority to whittle the Bible to fit in their assorted holes.
I suggest that anyone who can find a jot or tittle about congregational singing with instrumental accompaniment is DELUDED and based on all recorded Bible there is no turning back. Judas couldn't repent.
Don't jump up with lots of but, but, but: I will add other evidence not one preacher or one scholar in the church can read.
When he carries you away to Babylon you are UNDER the Babylon mother of harlots (probably Jerusalem)
She uses "lusted after fruits" the same fruts as Amos warned about.
They are self-preachers, singers and instrument players.
John calls them sorcerers who HAD deceived the whole world.
John says that they will be (have been) cast alive into the lake of fire (to be consumed by their mouths)
Christ in Isaiah 30 says that the MARKS of God driving His enemies into "hell" are the same wind, string and percussion instruments that Lucifer the singing and harp playing prostitute brought with HIM into the garden of Eden.