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Brian Cade

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Re: Acts 7 etal

February 10 2012, 10:22 PM 

So you have a unique insight into something no one has ever seen in scripture before? God has given you, and you alone, a word that he has hidden for some two thousand years from the rest of humanity? Rubbish.

 
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Ken Sublett

166.248.128.27

Rising up to PLAY: the MARK

February 11 2012, 11:17 AM 

If preachers cannot read and define words they cannot be Disciples: that is not to say that the Bible or recorded history does not understand that NOTHING in the Monarchy was Command: no clergy grasped that until Stephen told them and they could NOT FACE TRUTH so they murdered him.

Karen Armstrong noted of Amos that the clergy was so effeminate that they could no longer Dialog with God.

The word MUSIC demands dancing or "moving together" harmony as in body parts.

And she spake unto him according to these words, saying, The Hebrew servant, which thou hast brought unto us, came in unto me to mock [PLAY] me: Ge.39:17

Professor Robert Briffault's introductory words to his article titled "Sex in Religion" published in the book "Sex in Civilization" (Garden City Publishing Co.).

"The elaborate mystic theology of Egypt was replete with sexual symbolism; hierodular [sacred] prostitution, ritual bestiality were among the observances of its cult. The religions of Babylonia, of Asia Minor, of the far-flung Semitic colonies, were notorious for the licentiousness of their rites: their priestesses were sacred prostitutes and prostitution was incumbent upon every woman.

To this common description of early religious beliefs, we have the incident of Aaron bringing out the bull for the Israelites to worship when Moses remained longer on Mount Sinai than the people thought. The people were getting edgy so Aaron made a festivity for them by fashioning the golden calf and told them to worship the calf in a sexual manner (Exodus 32:25-35). God was angry with Aaron and the people for this. But the people thought that by their sexual actions they were actually worshipping God in a proper way. Their worship was to "Baal-Peor" (Hebrew: "Lord of the Opening," that is, "Lord of the Vagina") (see Psalm 106:28,29 for this identification). The rebellious Israelites were making images (and setting up pillars) in honor of this pagan deity that demanded gross sexual actions as a part of the "nature rituals" by the worshippers. This was nothing strange to the Israelites because most Gentile religious activities involved a measure of sexual activity as a part of their liturgies and rituals.


There is NO other evidence in the Bible or contemporaneous history which does not prove that the MOCKING most often induced by music or other drugs is sexual or homosexual. There is lots of recorded history that SLICK RHETORIC (preaching as opposed to reading and teaching), singing, instrument playing and THE PERSONA of what they blasphemously call "worship services" are the MARK and CAUSE of sexual perversion. There is nothing but MUSIC which can account for people forcing their agenda.

 
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Brian Cade

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Re: Rising up to PLAY: the MARK

February 11 2012, 2:33 PM 

You are still mixing up play as in "frolic" with play as in "perform on a musical instrument." Pick one; they are not interchangeable.

 
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Ken Sublett

166.248.128.27

Re: Truitt Adair Reviews Rick Atchley Reviewed

February 11 2012, 2:41 PM 

God commanded TWO silver trumpets: when thhe shophar was added without authority:

"All the various usages of the shophar (Ram's horn trumpet) can be viewed under one category: that of a signaling instrument. It sounded all signals in war and peace; it announced the new moon, the beginning of the sabbath, the death of a notable; it warned of approaching danger; it heraled excommunication; it was instrumental in exorcisms and magic healing." (Interpreters Dictionary of the Bible, p. 473, Abingdon).

John Chrysostom b. AD 347, Antioch, Syria d. Sept. 14, 407 who taught what ALL of the Bible and ALL historic scholars of note. If PLAYING was a sin beyond redemption when SABBATH always meant REST and never a day of worship cause God to sentence them back to Babylon, how utterly DANGEROUS it is to train and tolerate preachers who FORCE you to follow the exact PATTERN. Isn't it worth thinking about whatever my status with God?

http://www.piney.com/DocChrysosHomXVII.html

"And they made a calf in those days, and offered sacrifices unto the idol, and rejoiced in the works of their own hands" (v. 41):
for which they ought to have hid their faces.What wonder that ye know not Christ, seeing ye knew not Moses, and God Who was manifested by such wonders? But they not only knew Him not:
they also insulted in another way, by their idol making. "Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven" (v. 42.)

Hence these same "customs" date their origin, hence the sacrifices:
they were themselves the first that made sacrifices to their idols! For that is why it is marked,

Editor's Note 7: dia gar touto epishmainetai. The meaning is: Stephen was accused of speaking against "the customs,"-sacrifices, temple, feasts, etc.

Therefore he significantly points to that critical conjuncture from which these "customs" date their introduction: namely, the Provocation at Horeb.

Prior to that, he tells of "living oracles," life-giving precepts:
after it, and as its consequence, sacrifices, etc.,

those statutes which were not good, and ordinances by which a man shall not live, as God says by Ezekiel.

Not a word of sacrifice till then: and the first mention is, of the sacrifices offered to the calf. In like manner, "they rejoiced,"
"the people ate and drank, and rose up to play:" and in consequence of this, the feasts were prescribed: kai eufrainonto, fhsin: dia touto kai eortai.-'Epishmainetai might be rendered,

"he marks," "puts a mark upon it" (so the innovator, who substitutes, touto kai Dauid epishmainomenoj legei): we take it passively, "there is a mark set over it-it is emphatically denoted." In the active, the verb taken intransitively means

"to betoken or announce itself," "make its first appearance."-

In the Treatise adv. Judaeos, iv. §6. tom. i. 624. C. St. Chrysostom gives this account of the legal sacrifices: "To what purpose unto Me is the multitude of your sacrifices? etc. (Isaiah i., 11, ff.)

Do ye hear how it is most plainly declared, that God did not from the first require these at your hands? Had He required them, He would have obliged those famous saints who were before the Law to observe this practice.
Then wherefore has He permitted it now? In condescension to your infirmity. As a physician in his treatment of a delirious patient, etc.: thus did God likewise. For seeing them so frantic in their lust for sacrifices, that they were ready, unless they got them, to desert to idols: nay not only ready, but that they had already deserted, thereupon He permitted sacrifices. And that this is the reason, is clear from the order of events.

After the feast which they made to the demons, then it was that He permitted sacrifices: all but saying: `Ye are mad, and will needs sacrifice:

well then, at any rate sacrifice to Me. -(What follows may serve to illustrate the brief remark a little further on, Kai h aixmalwsia kathgoria thj kakiaj.) "But even this, He did not permit to continue to the end, but by a most wise method, withdrew them from it ...

For He did not permit it to be done in any place of the whole world,

but in Jerusalem only. Anon, when for a short time they had sacrificed, he destroyed the city.
Had He openly said, Desist, they, such was their insane passion for sacrificing, would not readily have complied.
But now perforce, the place being taken away,
He secretly withdrew them from their frenzy." So here: "Even the captivity impeaches the wickedness (which was the cause of the permission of sacrifice.")



 
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Ken Sublett

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Rising up to PLAY as a terminal sin

February 11 2012, 6:47 PM 

Exod 32:6 And they rose up early on the morrow, and offered burnt offerings, and brought peace offerings;
and the people sat down to eat and to drink, and rose up to play


The golden calf represented Apis a real bull calf in Egypt. This represented the always-pagan trinitiyof Osiris, Isis and Horus.

PLAY at Mount Sinai is defined in most pagan religions which the Israelites imitated. The word is

h7832.Sachag

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Whe they made SAMSON GRIND or SPORT they sexually abused him

Judges 16:25 And it came to pass, when their hearts were merry, that they said, Call for Samson, that he may make us sport [h7832]. And they called for Samson out of the prison house; and he made them sport [h6711]: and they set him between the pillars


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Genesis 39:15 And it came to pass, when he heard that I lifted up my voice and cried,
....that he left his garment with me, and fled, and got him out.
Genesis 39:16 And she laid up his garment by her, until his lord came home.
Genesis 39:17 And she spake unto him according to these words, saying,
....The Hebrew servant, which thou hast brought unto us,
....came in unto me to mock me: h6711.tsachaq


David went naked and PLAYED the harp and played with the camp followers: He confessed that he made himself VILE that hale or "praise word" people grasp without knowing what it is they are holding in their hands.

1Chronicles 13:8 And David and all Israel played [H7832] before God with all their might, and with singing, and with harps, and with psalteries, and with timbrels, and with cymbals, and with trumpets. Went Naked

THE LATIN: Exod 32:[6] surgentesque mane obtulerunt holocausta et hostias pacificas et sedit populus comedere ac bibere et surrexerunt ludere [Ludo is PLAY]

Surgo they rose up in insurrection AGAINST God.

Hêdonais 3. Pl., desires after pleasure, pleasant lusts, X.Mem.1.2.23, Ep.Tit.3.3,
Titus 3:3 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.

What ANY Disciple would know without exception.

[linked image]"The triumphal hymn of Moses had unquestionably a religious character about it; but the employment of music in religious services, though idolatrous, is more distinctly marked in the festivities which attended the erection of the golden calf." (Smith's Bible Dictionary, Music, p. 589).

http://www.piney.com/FathEphraimLord.html

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Ephraim Syrus On Our Lord notes that Sinai was atest. The Israelites were consummate idolaters in Egypt. However, God gave them one more shot at the Abrahamic Covenant. By removing Moses as a visible "authority figure" He wanted to let them answer their own prayer:

18. But when their heathenism from being inward became open, then Moses also from being hidden openly appeared; that he might openly punish those whose heathenism had revelled beneath the holy cloud which had overshadowed them.

But God removed the Shepherd of the flock from it for forty days, that the flock might show that its trust was fixed upon the calf.

And he was there in the wilderness forty days tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him. Mark 1:13

While God was feeding the flock with all delights, it chose for itself as its Shepherd the calf, which was not able even to eat. Moses who kept them in awe was removed from them, that the idolatry might cry aloud in their mouths, which the restraint of Moses had kept down in their hearts. For they cried: Make us gods, to go before us.

19. But when Moses came down, he saw their heathenism revelling in the wide plain with drums and cymbals. Speedily, he put their madness to shame by means of the Levites and drawn swords.

So likewise here, our Lord concealed His knowledge for a little when the sinful woman approached Him, that the Pharisee might form into shape his thought, as his fathers had shaped the pernicious calf.


THERE WAS NO REDEMPTION: THE OLDER PERISHED WERE "WORN OUT" AND DIED. THE YOUNGER GENERATION WERE SENTENCED TO RETURN TO BABYLON: IN THE MEANTIME THE KINGS GIVEN IN GOD'S ANGER WERE SELECTED TO PLACE EVERYONE IN BONDAGE THE COMMAND FOR THE LEVITES WAS NOT TO BE MUSICAL WORSHIP MINISTERS BUT BE SOOTHSAYERS WITH INSTRUMENTS TO WARN ANY GODLY JEW NOT COME INSIDE THE GATES OR BE SLAUGHTERED.

If you fall for "musical idolatry" God will "set a king over you in his anger to take you captive without a way of excape."

Then and now, the ELDERS rejected God as their leader and SET A SENIOR PASTOR over them to prove they are not able to "teach that which has been taught."

 
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Brian Cade

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Re: Rising up to PLAY as a terminal sin

February 11 2012, 7:00 PM 

Problem is, the context of all the passages cited indicates "frolic", not "perform on a musical instruments". It is dishonest scholarship to use both definitions interchangeably. Your argument is invalid.
Further, your argument falls apart when you pick one or the other.

 
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Ken Sublett

166.248.65.87

Exodus.32A rising up AGAINST God in musical idolatry

February 12 2012, 1:47 PM 

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When the NACC pattern of the Levites as backup worship music infects peaceable churches through dupes, the FACT is they were

SOOTHSAYERS making instrumental NOISE (God's definition): in all not-commanded animal sacrifices Rick's patternism of Hezekiah's plague stopping ritual it is called EXORCISM used to drive out the good DEMONS and allow the good DEMONS to come FEAST in the words of John Mark Hicks.

More to follow on PLAY: if music-induced idolatry of the Old Wineskin god PROFANES the Sabbath (the Halal like word meaning play the flute, steal people's inheritance, pollute or prostitute, and is an INVITATION to God to be abandoned to worship the starry hosts and there is no redemption, why do you suppose that none of the Warrior (Levites) Music promoters want YOU to go along with them and pay the way?

Paul said in effect "fools love to be fooled." That is why many (most) are called or invited but FEW (almost none) are CHOSEN based on their ability to obey Jesus Christ. When Pied Pipers are trying to lead you don't be surprised that it is YOU the lemmings who are going to drown.

 
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Brian Cade

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Re: Exodus.32A rising up AGAINST God in musical idolatry

February 12 2012, 2:52 PM 

In the context of Exodus 32, play means "to frolic" not "perform on a musical instrument." Your methodology is flawed for you ignore context. Thus your argument is invalid.

 
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Brian Cade

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Re: Exodus.32A rising up AGAINST God in musical idolatry

February 12 2012, 4:41 PM 

The context of Exodus 32 does not permit a reading of play as "to perform on musical instruments". Your argument is invalid.

 
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ken sublett

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Exodus 32 part B

February 12 2012, 5:07 PM 

The word PLAY is the Hebrew:

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Exodus 32 Part B which is not taught in any religious institution.

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We noted that when they forced Samson to PLAY the parall word is

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And that is what David did when he went naked with the camp-follower girls and boasted that he made himself VILE or the neo praise word HALAL which is the root for LUCIFER.


    
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Brian Cade

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Re: Exodus 32 part B

February 13 2012, 11:13 AM 

All of which has nothing to do with the fact that you are assuming both "frolic" and "perform on a musical instrument" apply to the passage in Exodus 32. You switch the definitions with impunity thus rendering your argument invalid.

 
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Brian Cade

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Re: Exodus 32 part B

February 13 2012, 11:15 AM 

All of which has nothing to do with the fact that you are assuming both "frolic" and "perform on a musical instrument" apply to the passage in Exodus 32. You switch the definitions with impunity thus rendering your argument invalid.

 
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Ken Sublett

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Exodus 32 rising up AGAINST God in Play Part C

February 13 2012, 2:00 PM 

Play means to play a game almost always as a "worship service" thinking that you grasp much less appease a god.
Play also means to PLAY amourously

Or Play throughout the bible and recorded history which says the say thing means to PLAY an instrument to arouse people to a feeling of "spirituality" which simple simons now know is the feelings of Fight, Flight or Sexuality. Sound strokes ALL of the pleasure centers and only about 10% of its effect goes through the ears. The response is also a condition reflex where you musicate while the musicator manipulates: like Pavlov's Dog.

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Ken Sublett

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Why People Cannot Read Black Text on Brown Paper

February 13 2012, 2:29 PM 

When people have views inculcated from cradle to grave it is very hard to read anything without seen whether it defends or disputes their CREED. For instance, in Galatians 5 where Paul uses words "hard to be understood." Paul warns that musical idolatry (witchcraft) which AROUSES passions is a clear MARK of male religious PERFORMERS who were emasculated so they could be UNDER the Mother of Harlots. This wouldl CRUCIFY CHRIST to yourself because LOUO has the meaning of "cooling off the paganism in all ritual" which was a laded burden and like ALL music it intended "to make the lambs dumb before the slaughter." There is NO congregational singing with instruments nor any any church until after Calvin. Scholars note that the ONLY history or traditions is that the Devil used music and instrument: that is why Lucifer is called the singing and harp playing prostitute."

You MUST be literally or conditionally EMASCULATED to serve the Babylon Mother of Harlots (Rev 17) who used "lusted after fruits--same as in Amos" to serve as self-preachers, singers and instrument players. The Mill-stone was aa synonym for the prostitues who used the "whistling" of the stone to mark out territory. Brides and Bridegrooms perform the HiroGamos or Sacred Marrage with the gods: that is the persona of not too talented praise singers and fat praise girls. No, you cannot find any recorded exception.

The Emasculated Musical Worship Ministers for the Mother Goddess Worship is tha galli: they plagued the temples in Jerusalem or any "house built by human hands" in which God WILL NOT be worshipped with human hands including thes song and sermon writers called Scribes and Pharisees.

Galli
(Galloi, in post-classical authors only). The eunuch priests of Cybelé or the Great Mother, whose worship, so far as it can be traced historically, had its original seat in Phrygia (Marmor Parium, ap. C. Müller, Fragm. i. 544, where it is placed under the reign of Erichthonius, king of Attica, B.C. 1506; Strabo, x. pp. 469, 472, xii. p. 567, where the names Kubelê, Dindumênê, etc., are said to be derived from Phrygian localities; Kubelên apo tou topou, Diod.iii. 58). The Phrygian language was Indo-European, as appears from the extant inscriptions (Rawlinson's Herod.vol. i. App.666); and the worship of Cybelé has been thought to be also IndoEuropean; Avestan names have been traced in it --Berecyntus=Berezat; Corybantes=Gereuantô (Labatut in Rev. Numism. Belge, 1868, p. 286). Other names, however, are of distinctly Semitic affinities; Rhea perhaps=the Babylonian Ri (Mulita or Mylitta), and Nana more certainly=the Babylonian Nana, modern Syrian Nani.

The origin of the name of Galli is not absolutely certain, but it was doubtless a native Phrygian word; of course it has nothing to do with the Galatae or Gauls, whose first appearance in these countries dates only from B.C. 278. There is no reason to reject the tradition which derives [p. 707] it
from a river in Phrygia; there were two small rivers called Gallus , both tributaries of the Sangarius, and the one which flows by Pessinus must be meant, whose water was fabled to cause this particular form of religious madness (Ovid, Fast.iv. 363; Plin. H. N.v. 147Plin. H. N., xi. 261Plin. H. N., xxxi. 9). A form gallantes, as if from gallare, to rave like a priest of Cybelé, is cited from Varro (ap. Non. p. 119Non., 5). In their wild, enthusiastic, and boisterous rites the Galli recalled the legends of the Corybantes (q.v.). According to an ancient custom, they were always castrated (spadones, semimares, semiviri, nec viri nec feminae), and it would seem that, impelled by religious enthusiasm, they performed this operation on themselves (Ovid, Fast.iv. 237; Plin. H. N.xi. 261Plin. H. N., xxxv. 165; Martial, iii. 81, xi. 74; Juv.vi. 512 foll.; Catull. Attis). See Rhea.

 
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Ken Sublett

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Re: Why People Cannot Read Black Text on Brown Paper

February 13 2012, 2:59 PM 

Plautus, Truculentus, or The Churl

STRATOPHANES Say you so, indeed? I'll first make trial of that. Do you, for the sake of such a shabby present, vegetables, and comestibles, and vinegar-water, bestow your love upon an effeminate, frizzle-pated, dark-haunt frequenting, drum-drubbing debauchee
(608)
7 , a fellow not worth a nutshell?

GETA What new thing's this? Do you dare, you rogue, to speak ill of my master, you spring-head of vice and perjury?

STRATOPHANES Add a single word to that; by the powers, I'll that instant here with this cut you up into mincemeat upon the spot. (Shaking his sword at him.)

GETA Only touch me; I'll that instant be making a lamb of you on the spot, and I'll slice you asunder in the middle. If you have the renown of a warrior with your troops, still I'm a Mars8 in the kitchen.


Note 6 Is he deranged: "Hariolus." Literally, "a soothsayer," or "diviner." In their prophetic frenzy, these persons often had the appearance of being mad, and were so considered.

Note 7 Drum-drubbing debauchee: "Typanotriba." Literally, "drum," or "tambourine beater." He alludes to the eunuch-priests of Cybele, who used to beat tambourines in her procession-probably in allusion to debauchees, emasculated by riot and dissipation.
Note 8 A Mars: In the text "Ares." This was the Greek name of Mars the God of War.

 
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Brian Cade

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Re: Exodus 32 rising up AGAINST God in Play Part C

February 14 2012, 12:24 PM 

"Play means to play a game almost always as a "worship service" thinking that you grasp much less appease a god.
Play also means to PLAY amourously

Or Play throughout the bible and recorded history which says the say thing means to PLAY an instrument to arouse people to a feeling of "spirituality" which simple simons now know is the feelings of Fight, Flight or Sexuality. Sound strokes ALL of the pleasure centers and only about 10% of its effect goes through the ears. The response is also a condition reflex where you musicate while the musicator manipulates: like Pavlov's Dog."


You commit the error of equivocation when you use a key word in two different senses and thus invalidate your argument. When a precise definition is given, it becomes apparent that your conclusion does not follow.
You also commit the error of emotive language when you resort to name-calling. Emotive language wraps up three logical fallacies in one: ad hominum,stereotyping and snarl language. Emotive language is not evidence and your conclusions do not follow.
Finally, you commit the ultimate fallacy by refusing to back down from your combative tactics, namely, pigheadedness. Unfortunately, pigheadedness is not a logical error but a moral one. You commit this one when you refuse to accept a conclusion that is backed by adequate evidence. In your case, the evidence of a lack of knowledge of how to present your position (clear thought, effective communication, etc.)is overwhelming.

"Keep on listening, but do not perceive; keep on looking but do not understand" - Isaiah 6:9

PS - there is no such English word as musicate or musicator.


 
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Ken Sublett

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Play means several things.

February 14 2012, 2:04 PM 

You commit the error of equivocation when you use a key word in two different senses and thus invalidate your argument. When a precise definition is given, it becomes apparent that your conclusion does not follow.

ALL words can be used in different ways

If you "play games or MOCK" on God's Day
If you "Play amourously" on God's day
If you "Play musical instruments on God's Day

This such an OFFENSE that God condemns you to return to Babylon and there is no redemption.

You Play musical instruments when God in Christ CONDEMNNS it (if you can read) then God sees that as your prayer and abandones you to it so that "turning God's Word into a song" with or without instruments you tell Christ tho shut his face.

Preachers fabricate their own sermon and perform it with rhetoric: that is the HYPOCRITE Jesus used of the Scribes and Pharisees when he quotes from Isaiah or Ezekiel 33 and NAMES NAMES of self-preachers, singers, instrument players and those who gather to be manipulated.

Your turn; what is your definition of PLAY which is always the sin without redemption when the ekklesia or synagogue is A School (only) of the Word (only) of Christ (only).

The Greek, Hebrew and Latin ALWAYS point to gender confused boys and girls (musicating in the front of God) PRETENDING to lead you into the presence of god or as Musical Worship Leaders where "praise singers" were always the emotionally and sexually confused members of the tribe where ALL pagans try to appease or threaten the gods with Religious Observations.

Jesus said that the Kingdom of God is within us and DOES NOT COME with Observation; that OUTLAWS religious assemblies as Worship Assemblies when the only worship concept used by Paul for what he called "synagogue" is "giving attendance to the Word of God." Anything which takes your eye and mind off the written Word of the Living Word is idolatry of talent.


    
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Ken Sublett

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Ludo: they rose up to play

February 14 2012, 3:21 PM 

Here is the PLAY at Mount Sinai and when David went naked with the camp follower girls and "made himself vile" (Halal)

Why do you think that even those who call themselve "conservative" go into such fits if you try to debunk the folly that God commanded INSTRUMENTAL WORSHIP under the Law of Moses but changed His Mind and we have the "Law of singing" when there is not a command, example or remote inference that SINGING was an ACT of the worship PLAY in the Bible or recorded history among Christians until after John Calvin when Psalms (only) were REcomposed and set to meter?

Why do men who get their Preacher Liscence suddenly get really violent when anyone comes along wanting to be just a DISCIPLE of what Christ commanded to be observed?

Shy do preachers feel that they have graduated from the DISCIPLE GRADE into clergy where any comment seems to challlenge their foundation to the Core. There is no exception music with or without instruments has always been called PLAY when the command is to assemble to Rest, Read and Rehearse the Word of God.

Take a quick look at the LUDO word for Play at Mount Sinai which was WITHOUT REDEMPTION and for which God sentenced them into captivity and death: the Kings were given in God's anger to facilitate the worship in the new killing fields.

From which of these few ways in which LUDO was used, which one of them do you think Jesus Christ--The Holy Spirit Comforter, Sole Mediator will forgive when HE assumes the role of Master Teacher when the elders teach that which has been taught. Music in the School of the Word is NOT an ACT.

DARE TO BE A DISCIPLE WITH THE ABSOLUTE COMMAND NOT TO "FURTHER EXPOUND" OR BLASPHEMOUSLY PROPOSE TO COME TO THE AID OF GOD IN CHRIST.

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Brian Cade

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Re: Ludo: they rose up to play

February 14 2012, 10:15 PM 

Okay, so we'll do it the hard way:

ALL words can be used in different ways
If you "play games or MOCK" on God's Day
If you "Play amourously" on God's day
If you "Play musical instruments on God's Day


This is an example of equivocation. Equivocation is classified as both a formal and informal logical fallacy. It is the misleading use of a term with more than one meaning or sense (by glossing over which meaning is intended at a particular time). It generally occurs with polysemic words. It is often confused with amphibology (amphiboly); however, equivocation is ambiguity arising from the misleading use of a word and amphiboly is ambiguity arising from the misleading use of punctuation or syntax.The fallacy of equivocation is often used with words that have a strong emotional content and many meanings. These meanings often coincide within proper context, but the fallacious arguer does a semantic shift, slowly changing the context by treating, as equivalent, distinct meanings of the term.
In English language, one equivocation is with the word "man", which can mean both "member of the species, Homo sapiens," and "male member of the species, Homo sapiens." The following sentence is a well-known equivocation:
"Do women need to worry about man-eating sharks?", in which "man-eating" is construed to mean a shark that devours only male human beings.
You do this with the word "play". Any argument based on this semantic shifting is invalid.

This such an OFFENSE that God condemns you to return to Babylon and there is no redemption

There is no BCV for this so I'm forced to conclude that you are attempting to use emotive language as evidence. Your conclusion doesn't follow from flawed reasoning above.

You Play musical instruments when God in Christ CONDEMNNS it (if you can read) then God sees that as your prayer and abandones you to it so that "turning God's Word into a song" with or without instruments you tell Christ tho shut his face.

No BCV; more emotive language.

Preachers fabricate their own sermon and perform it with rhetoric: that is the HYPOCRITE Jesus used of the Scribes and Pharisees when he quotes from Isaiah or Ezekiel 33 and NAMES NAMES of self-preachers, singers, instrument players and those who gather to be manipulated.

Here is the full text of Ezekiel 33:

1 Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying ,
2Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land takea man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman :
3 If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people;
4 Then whosoeverheareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning ; if the sword come , and take him away , his blood shall be upon his own head.
5 He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning ; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.
6 But if the watchmansee the sword come , and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned ; if the sword come , and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman'shand.
7 So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.
8 When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surelydie ; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
9 Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.
10 Therefore, O thou son of man, speak unto the house of Israel; Thus ye speak , saying , If our transgressions and our sins be upon us, and we pine away in them, how should we then live ?
11Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live : turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die , O house of Israel?
12 Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth .
13 When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surelylive ; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commitiniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered ; but for his iniquity that he hath committed , he shall die for it.
14 Again, when I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surelydie ; if he turn from his sin, and do that which is lawful and right;
15 If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committinginiquity; he shall surelylive , he shall not die .
16 None of his sins that he hath committed shall be mentioned unto him: he hath done that which is lawful and right; he shall surelylive .
17 Yet the children of thy people say , The way of the Lord is not equal : but as for them, their way is not equal .
18 When the righteous turneth from his righteousness, and committethiniquity, he shall even die thereby. 19 But if the wicked turn from his wickedness, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall live thereby.
20 Yet ye say , The way of the Lord is not equal . O ye house of Israel, I will judge you every one after his ways.
21 And it came to pass in the twelfth year of our captivity, in the tenth month, in the fifth day of the month, that one that had escaped out of Jerusalem came unto me, saying , The city is smitten .
22 Now the hand of the LORD was upon me in the evening, afore he that was escaped came ; and had opened my mouth, until he came to me in the morning; and my mouth was opened , and I was no more dumb .
23 Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying ,
24 Son of man, they that inhabit those wastes of the land of Israel speak , saying , Abraham was one, and he inherited the land: but we are many; the land is given us for inheritance.
25 Wherefore say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Ye eat with the blood, and lift up your eyes toward your idols, and shedblood: and shall ye possess the land?
26 Ye stand upon your sword, ye workabomination, and ye defile every one his neighbour's wife: and shall ye possess the land?
27Say thou thus unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; As I live, surely they that are in the wastes shall fall by the sword, and him that is in the open field will I give to the beasts to be devoured , and they that be in the forts and in the caves shall die of the pestilence.
28 For I will lay the land most desolate, and the pomp of her strength shall cease ; and the mountains of Israel shall be desolate , that none shall pass through .
29 Then shall they know that I am the LORD, when I have laid the land most desolate because of all their abominations which they have committed .
30 Also, thou son of man, the children of thy people still are talkingagainst thee by the walls and in the doors of the houses, and speakone to another, every one to his brother, saying , Come , I pray you, and hear what is the word that cometh forth from the LORD.
31 And they come unto thee as the people cometh, and they sitbefore thee as my people, and they hear thy words, but they will not do them: for with their mouth they shew much love, but their heart goethafter their covetousness.
32 And, lo, thou art unto them as a very lovely song of one that hath a pleasant voice, and can play well on an instrument : for they hear thy words, but they do them not.
33 And when this cometh to pass , (lo, it will come ,) then shall they know that a prophet hath been among them.

Your notion of a sin without redemption is false; God Himself says otherwise in verse 11, 15-16, and 19. Where do you come off telling anyone God is wrong?

Your turn; what is your definition of PLAY which is always the sin without redemption when the ekklesia or synagogue is A School (only) of the Word (only) of Christ (only).

What is the context of the use of the word "play"?

The Greek, Hebrew and Latin ALWAYS point to gender confused boys and girls
Evidence?
(musicating in the front of God)
There is no such word as musicate

PRETENDING to lead you into the presence of god or as Musical Worship Leaders where "praise singers" were always the emotionally and sexually confused members of the tribe where ALL pagans try to appease or threaten the gods with Religious Observations.

More emotive language with no evidence.

Jesus said that the Kingdom of God is within us and DOES NOT COME with Observation

BCV?

that OUTLAWS religious assemblies as Worship Assemblies
Non sequiter; your conclusion doesn't follow from your non-existent evidence.

when the only worship concept used by Paul for what he called "synagogue" is "giving attendance to the Word of God."
BCV?
Anything which takes your eye and mind off the written Word of the Living Word is idolatry of talent.

More emotive language; there are many other things which can take your eye and mind off the written Word of the Living Word; loud noises, for example.

Emotive language is not evidence.



 
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February 15 2012, 9:43 AM 

You cannot hire yourself to be a Rabbi if you cannot define the meaning of "Mary had a little lamb." One might say, "Wow! bet that hurt!"

You have to look at the Hebrew, Greek and Latin ways in which the key words are used: If you cannot find something that gives you the authority to READ and DISCUSS the Word of God with no private opinions (Romans 14) so you can "use one mind and one mouth to speak that which is written for our learning defined as Scripture." You have to get definitions from an alien "spirit" to say that "a spirit told me to preach that sermon that God COMMANDED INSTRUMENTAL PRAISE."

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