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Take the Alan Challenge: proof of Sorcery from beginning to the end

February 6 2009 at 9:12 AM
Ken Sublett 
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Alan wrote: Since Donnie and Joe know so much more regarding the doctrine of Christ than anyone else, I was just wondering if they could tell exactly what verses that Jesus spoke in regards to not having instrumental music.

Please be specific. I want to be able to open a KJV, that this site promotes as the only reliable translation, and read where Jesus says, "Do not use instrumental music in your worship service." I would also like to read where he says, "You are to have a song, a prayer, three more songs, communion, another song, the sermon, and and invitation song."

This site is just so knowledgable, I know you can find it.

Until then.....

Alan, it is time to recycle some BASICS as in summer training camp: lets begin: "THIS is a baseball." It is well documented in the Bible and especially the Greek literature that people use music as SORCERY and so says John in Revelation 18). The only LEGALISM word I can find is the Greek NOMOS: that speaks of HUMAN MADE laws which are made to CHARM or enchant the citizens into submission so that no one will dare question the LAW MAKERS. If you say that THERE IS NOTHING repudiating instruments in the Bible and nothing commanding them then it is CERTAIN that the very late use of music in the "church" is a NOMOS which usually applied to Apollo (Abaddon, Apollon" and his MUSES (Rev 18) who were dirty adulteresses.

Maybe if you grasped that it was the Spirit of Christ who commanded the Holy Convocation for the Qahal, synagogue or church in the wilderness. It was INCLUSIVE of Rest, reading and rehearsing the Word. They were restricted to their own precincts to prevent them from attending the Seventh day paganism which originated in Babylon along with the tithe. It was EXCLUSIVE of vocal or instrumental rejoicing. That command was never rescinded and never violated by the SPIRITUAL THREAD off Israel who were QUARANTINED from the sacrificial or exorcism noise (never music) when they warriors "made the lambs dumb before the slaughter.

I need to begin there, but here is a bit of information and REMEMBER that when you say that Jesus didn't CONDEMN the use of instruments you are gambling your soul on people who cannot DEFINE words. You have the duty to define words before you DELIBERATELY sow discord and offend many. If you cannot FIND the clear evidence then I submit that you have not yet become a disciple with A holy spirit or A good conscience, consciousness or a co-perception of the Word

You will remember that Jesus spoke to the false Jews in parables by which truth had been hidden from the foundation of the world. The easiest way to hide the truth in plain sight is to "translate" the Bible "using different words for a pleasing variety" even says the KJV people. This makes it easy to further pervert or corrupt the word meaning "selling learning at retail" by defining words and context to make it POWERFUL in trying to manipulate people's minds: this is called witchcraft or sorcery by John speaking of speakers, singers and instrument players who refuse to "sing that which is written" with one mind and one mouth and to "teach that which has been taught." It is a plot by God who needs no wimpy burgers.

John refused to baptize the dominant clergy class and called them a generation or RACE of vipers. During the curse of the sacrificial system the "instruments" of the warrior classes bearing Canaanite guild names were sounded (not music) during the burning of the GOATS which were sacrificed to prevent sacrificing TO THE GOATS defined in Greek as the CAPELLA from which we get the sad tragedy songs by the a capellas.

Peter told the people to SAVE YOURSELVES from this CROOKED RACE. Crooked is opposite to the orthodox: MYTHS always written by poets and musicians who could never write truth.

Skolios A. curved, bent (opposite to orthos, euthus) muthos
III. skolion, to, intestine, splanchana kai nephron kai skolion

Muthos used with tragoidia, mimesis, poetes etc. Latin fabula II. In partic. (freq. and class.), a fictitious narrative, a tale, story; 1. Most freq., a dramatic poem, drama, play; tragôidia, mimêsis, poiêtês, ; muthoisin skoliois Hes.Op.194
2. fiction (opposite logos, historic truth), Pi.O.1.29 (pl.), N.7.23 (pl.), Pl.Phd.61b, Prt.320c, 324d, etc.

Don't miss the point that the VIPER GENERATION from Cain (meaning a musical note) murdered Seth:

Matt 23:31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
Matt 23:32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
Matt 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Matt 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you
........prophets, and wise men, and scribes:
........and some of them ye shall kill and crucify;
........and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues,
........and persecute them from city to city:
Matt 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth,
........from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias,
........whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

Because Jesus warned about parables from the foundation of the world, don't miss the point that the Bible is the history of the Hebrew people and that they existed at the time of Cain: cain is said to be OF that wicked one and Eve was wholly seduced in a sexual sense enabled by music. More later.

Rev. 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

they claim they are Jews #2453 Ioudas - Judas; in Hebrew 3063 - Yehudah - a descendant of Judah. The paid their way into the Herodian ruling class. The Saducean priesthood during the first century were not of Aaron but consisted of four families: Boethus, Hanan, Kimchit, and Phiabi. They intermarried with the Herodians, the Royal Rulers of the State of Israel, who were, themselves Edomites (Idumeans) from the Petra region (or Edom) and descendants of Esau (or Seir, which means "shaggy, he-goat, devil"), thus the "synagogue of Satan" leaders claimed to be Jews but were Edomites appointed by the Herodian rulers under Rome; Herod Antipas, for instance, and Pontius Pilate held the same governmental position for Rome, the reason for much rivalry between them); since Esau was "red and hairy" his nickname was Edom, and he lived in Seir where Ham's descendants settled.

As such they "wore the hat of Hermes" from which the musical discorders get the new hermeneutic. You might want to see how this was music and sex as the abomination of desolation" in the Jerusalem temple: some were still active and tried to seduce Jesus shown when He called the MEN of that generation like CHILDREN which identified the "youth ministers" or chorus leaders used and abused: He consigned the pipers, singers and dancers to the marketplace where all pagan and perverted worship took place.

So we might circle back to the beginning in Genesis where the meaning of SERPENT is "a musical enchanter(ess)." The king/queen of Tyre used music to steal property and the "souls of men" and is called the "singing and harp playing prostitute." Now, only a legalist would look for a LAW OF SILENCE (invented by the musical group) which says "thou shalt not play the musical prostitute." Stinkty or slithering animals are symbols of the enemies of the Words of God.

The serpent is related to brass and the flute which is lumped with pollute and prostitute as the meaning of when "men began to CALL upon the name of the Lord."

Gen. 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth:
........For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.
Gen. 4:26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos:
........then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

582. enowsh, en-oshe´; from 605; properly, a mortal (and thus differing from the more dignified 120); hence, a man in general (singly or collectively):--another, x (blood-)thirsty, certain, chap(-man); divers, fellow, x in the flower of their age, husband, (certain, mortal) man, people, person, servant, some (x of them), + stranger, those, + their trade. It is often unexpressed in the English versions, especially when used in apposition with another word . Compare 376.

605. Anash, aw-nash´; a primitive root; to be frail, feeble, or (figuratively) melancholy:--desperate(-ly wicked), incurable, sick, woeful.

It was in this "generation" that false worship began. We know that Jubal "handled" musical instruments meaning "without authority.." When men FALL from grace it is always caused or MARKED by the use of music. What better supernatural sign of false prophets? The meaning of "began to call upon the name of the Lord" was how the Israelites--given The Book of The covenant of grace, ROSE up to play in musical idolatry. This was PROFANING the sabbath which was REST FROM the pagan seventh day worship rituals marked by music to ENCHANT or TRANQUALIZE the common fodder. This word is h2490 identical to David's "praise" word which means to MAKE SELF VILE which is the root word for LUCIFER the singing and harp playing prostitute in the garden of Eden.

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This word is used of "Lucifer being cast as profane out of Heaven" and the equivalent word when Jesus CAST OUT the musical minstrels LIKE DUNG.

This word is used interchangeably as a "melody" word and normally marked women or male prostitute who prowled around all pagan-like temples of which that in Jerusalem was identified when God "turned them over to worship the starry host."

5059. nagan, naw-gan´; a primitive root; properly, to thrum, i.e. beat a tune with the fingers; expec. to play on a stringed instrument; hence (generally), to make music:--player on instruments, sing to the stringed instruments, melody, ministrel, play(-er, -ing).

Which points to the TOUCH word used by Eve when she was seduced or enchanted by the "serpent" as the name of the Assyrian Enchanter called "the tallest tree in Eden" of which she was seduced but Adam "ate" from the midst willingly.

5060. naga, naw-gah´; a primitive root; properly, to touch, i.e. lay the hand upon (for any purpose; euphem., to lie with a woman); by implication, to reach (figuratively, to arrive, acquire); violently, to strike (punish, defeat, destroy, etc.):--beat, (x be able to) bring (down), cast, come (nigh), draw near (nigh), get up, happen, join, near, plague, reach (up), smite, strike, touch.

Adam Clark:
Verse 26. Then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.] The marginal reading is, Then began men to call themselves by the name of the Lord; which words are supposed to signify that in the time of Enos the true followers of God began to distinguish themselves, and to be distinguished by others, by the appellation of sons of God; those of the other branch of Adam's family, among whom the Divine worship was not observed, being distinguished by the name, children of men. It must not be dissembled that many eminent men have contended that ljwh huchal, which we translate began, should be rendered began profanely, or then profanation began, and from this time they date the origin of idolatry. Most of the Jewish doctors were of this opinion, and Maimonides has discussed it at some length in his Treatise on Idolatry; as this piece is curious, and gives the most probable account of the origin and progress of idolatry, I shall insert it here.

You will remember the false conclusions: Because God created musical Instruments (Bible says Satan did) it is right and proper for us to use ANYTHING that God created in our worship to him. The problem is that you worship the CREATURE and not the CREATOR. Now, see how the earliest recorded commentary uses the same imagination even when "the imagination of the human hear is only evil continually."

"In the days of Enos the sons of Adam erred with great error, and the counsel of the wise men of that age became brutish, and Enos himself was (one) of them that erred; and their error was this:
........they said, Forasmuch as God hath created these stars and spheres govern the world, and set them on high, and imparted honour unto them,
........and they are ministers that minister before him; is meet that men should laud, and glorify, and give them honour.
For this is the will of God, that we magnify and honour whomsoever he magnifieth and honouret; even as a king would have them honoured that stand before him, and this is the honour of the king himself. When this thing was come up into their hearts they began to build temples unto the stars, and to offer sacrifice unto them, and to laud and glorify them with words, and to worship before them, that they might in their evil opinion obtain favour of the Creator; and this was the root of idolatry, &c.

And in process of time there stood up false prophets among the sons of Adam, which said that God had commanded and said unto them, Worship such a star, or all the stars, and do sacrifice unto them thus and thus; and build a temple for it, and make an image of it, that all the people, women, and children may worship it.
........And the false prophet showed them the image
........which he had feigned out of his own heart,
........and said it was the image of such a star,
........which was made known unto him by prophecy.
And they began after this manner to make images in temples, and under trees, and on tops of mountains and hills, and assembled together and worshipped them, &c. And this thing was spread through all the world, to serve images with services different one from another, and to sacrifice unto and worship them.
........So, in process of time, the glorious and fearful name (of God)
........was forgotten out of the mouth of all living,
........and out of their knowledge, and they acknowledged him not.
And there was found no people on the earth that knew aught, save images of wood and stone, and temples of stone, which they had been trained up from their childhood to worship and serve, and to swear by their names. And the wise men that were among them, as the priests and such like, thought there was no God save the stars and spheres, for whose sake and in whose likeness they had made these images; but as for the Rock everlasting,
there was no man that acknowledged him or knew him save a few persons in the world, as Enoch, Methuselah, Noah, Sham, and Heber. And in this way did the world walk and converse till that pillar of the world, Abraham our father, was born." Maim. in Mishn, and Ainsworth in loco.

Moses was writing an inverted version of the Babylon legends used as worship where God had sentenced Israel because of musical idolatry. In the end time worship (now) the same enchanters are used by the Babylon mother of harlot: they are the same lusted after "fruits" spoken of by Amos and as speakers, singers and instrument players they are called SORCERERS. The sound of the millstone was always the way to find the GRINDERS who spread their legs and the "piping sounds" made by the grinding advertised their second occupation.

I will follow up quickly.

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February 9 2009, 2:17 PM 

Bueller?.....Bueller?.....Bueller?.....Bueller? (Camera pans to people reading this post in a slumbering coma)(Close up on a new christian crying from confusion)(Zoom in on christian youth sleeping while a slight drop of slobber slips from the thin of their mouth)(Close up of God shaking his head in total dismay)(Zoom in on Ken's view of Christ's cross with a sign that says you must be this tall to be saved)Bueller?.....Bueller?

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Kenneth Sublett

Christ the ROCK outlawed music as the MARK of the BEASTS

February 9 2009, 8:01 PM 

If you remember Exodus 32 from Card Class

Exod 32:1 AND when the people saw that Moses delayed to come down out of the mount,
........the people gathered themselves together unto Aaron,
........and said unto him, Up, make us gods, which shall go before us;
........for as for this Moses, the man that brought us up out of the land of Egypt,
........we wot not what is become of him.

Exod 32:2 And Aaron said unto them, Break off the golden earrings, which are in the ears of your wives, of your sons, and of your daughters, and bring them unto me.

Exod 32:3 And all the people brake off the golden earrings which were in their ears, and brought them unto Aaron.
Exod 32:4 And he received them at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool,
........after he had made it a molten calf: and they said,
........These be thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.
Exod 32:5 And when Aaron saw it, he built an altar before it; and Aaron made proclamation,
........and said, To morrow is a feast to the Lord.

The LORD they worshiped woud be the Egyptian trinity under Apis the golden calf.

Exod 32:6 And they rose up early on the morrow, and offered burnt offerings,
........and brought peace offerings; and the people sat down to eat and to drink,
........and rose up to play.

This was singing, clapping, playing instruments when then and always arouse sexual thoughts.

"For nonliterate peoples, music often serves purposes other than entertainment or aesthetic enjoyment. Certain wind instruments are closely associated with the supernatural, and their sounds connote powerful magic. Australian Aborigines, for instance, identify the sound of a bull-roarer with the voices of supernatural beings; for the Plains Indians, the same sound signifies an awesome natural phenomenon, such as thunder. Wind instruments are often among a group's most important ritual objects, and in some cultures they are specially venerated. The Kamairua Indians of the Amazon rain forest keep their giant flutes (three to four feet long), wherein spirits are believed to dwell, in a special shrine where they are worshiped. The flutes and drums of New Guinea are similarly housed and worshiped.

"Wind instruments in primitive cultures also serve nonreligious functions. In New Guinea, bamboo trumpets were once played frighten an enemy during battle and
........ to alert a village that the victorious warriors were coming home with the corpses of the foes.

"Conch-shell trumpets are used for signaling in the Pacific coastal regions of Columbia and in the Ecuadoran highlands.

........Trumpets also may be associated with the office of king or chief, in West Africa, where their use is strictly controlled by tribal law. "wind instrument" Encyclopædia Britannica Online.

The word PLAY in Hebrew means "musical idolatry" just as in Egypt. The Latin is ludere which--for the readers--is outlawed in 2 Peter.

Ludo A.To sport, play with any thing, to practise as a pastime, amuse one's self with any thing: Esp., to play on an instrument of music, to make or compose music or song: B.To sport, dally, wanton (cf. "amorous play.

It was an invitation for God to REMOVE GRACE: He did not say, "thou shalt not PLAY like dogs or male prostitutes" so go ahead.

Exod 32:7 And the Lord said unto Moses, Go, get thee down; for thy people, which thou broughtest out of the land of Egypt, have corrupted themselves:

Because of that terminal sin God "turned them over to worship the starry host" (Acts 7 etal). The Book of The Covenant of Grace was destroyed and they were given the Law of Moses to legislate for the lawless.

The Same Spirit of Christ ordained the Qahal, synagogue or church in the wilderness. The command was to hold a holy convocation INCLUDING Resting, Reading and Discussing the Word of God.

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It was EXCLUSIVE of vocal or instrumental rejoicing. Therefore, the DIRECT COMMAND for the church in the wilderness was identical to the synagogue Jesus endorsed, the ekklesia and the assemblies Paul defined by using the "synagogue" words. There NEVER WAS any "praise service in the synagogue" by DIRECT COMMAND, by historic uniformity and by COMMON DECENCY. Simple Simon does NOT make MUSIC when we are listening to Jesus the Christ (Lord and Spirit) as we TEACH that which has been taught (a direct command) and if you assume that the rhythmic reading was "singing" then we "Sing that which is written" using one MIND and one MOUTH (Rev 15). Self pleasure is OUTLAWED and this defines ALL of the hypocritic performing arts.


Num. 10:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Num. 10:2 Make thee two trumpets of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them:
........that thou mayest use them
........for the calling of the assembly,
........and for the journeying of the camps.

There is NO use of the instruments which were not for SENDING SIGNALS.

Num. 10:3 And when they shall blow with them,
........all the assembly shall assemble themselves to thee the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.

ASSEMBLY HERE IS: 3259. ya{ad, yaw-ad´; a primitive root; to fix upon (by agreement or appointment); by implication, to meet (at a stated time), to summon (to trial), to direct (in a certain quarter or position),

Num. 10:4 And if they blow but with one trumpet,
........then the princes, which are heads of the thousands of Israel,
........shall gather themselves unto thee.

Woops! better not let little horn blower do a praise service when you are doing SERIOUS THINGS!

Num. 10:5 When ye blow an alarm,
........then the camps that lie on the east parts shall go forward.
Num. 10:6 When ye blow an alarm the second time,
........then the camps that lie on the south side shall take their journey:
........they shall blow an alarm for their journeys.

"Despite the differences between the Mosaic and the Egyptian cults, it can hardly be denied that Egyptian influence on Jewish musical practices were quite significant. They would stand to reason because of the high quality of egyptian cultic music.

The tambourine or timbrel, a hoop of bells over which a white skin was stretched, came from Egypt. Miriam used this instrument to accompany the singing and dancing on the shores of the Red Sea (Ex. 15).

The trumpet blown for decampment, at the gathering of the people and on different cultic occasions, especially during sacrifices (2 Chron. 30:21; 35:15; Num 10:2), was the signaling instrument of the Egyptian army.

The sistrum, according to 2 Sam 6:5, was used by the Israelites and bore the name mena'aneim. It was the same as the Egyptian kemkem which was employed in the cult of Isis.

The solemnity celebrated on the occasion of the transferring of the Ark to Sion, as well as the dances of the daughters of Israel at the annual feast of the Lord of Shiloh (Judg 21:21), were similar in thier musical embellishments to Egyptian customs in the liturgy and at parades. As Herodotus reports,

women sang the praises of Osiris while likenesses of the gods were born about and, during the festival of Diana at Bubastis,
choirs of men and women sang and danced to the beating of drums and the playing of flutes." (Quasten, Johannes, Music and Worship in Pagan and Christian Antiquity, p. 65)

It is SIMILAR because THAT was the musical idolatry and THAT is what God ABANDONED them to.
[6] When you blow an alarm the second time, the camps that lie on the south side shall take their journey: they shall blow an alarm for their journeys.


[7] But when the assembly [congregation] is to be gathered together,
you shall blow,
but you shall not sound an alarm.

This is the TRIUMPH OVER which Judas would perform when trying to turn Jesus coward: well documented in Psalm 41.


6951. kaw-hawl´; from 6950; assemblage (usually concretely):assembly, company, congregation, multitude


[7] quando autem congregandus est populus simplex tubarum clangor erit et non concise ululabunt

Con-grgo Congrego

Philosophia Academica.. The philosophy of the Acadamy, A. For The philosophy of the Academy: instaret academia, quae quidquid dixisses,

Academia congregation. where plato taught, scholars are called Academici,
and his doctrine. distinction from Stoica, Cynica The DOGS, Wolves and BEASTS in Revelation
........The school of Christ and worship was in the PLACE of the Spirit says Paul
........because OUTSIDE were the DOGS or male prostitutes or the CYNICS
........identified by the MARK of their old style praise singing: sounded like the falsetto of CCM.

That is why Jesus COMMANDED that worship is in the PLACE of the human spirit devoted to the TRUTH of God: it is NOT in all of your pleasure centers.

Knikos , ê, on, ( [kuôn] ) dog-like. kai thêriôdes [BEASTS in Revelation] . currish, churlish, Vulgate 1 Sa 25.3 (?). Adv. -kôs, spômenoi Heliod. ap. Orib.48.38 tit.; in dog language, opp. boïkôs, etc., Porph.Abst.3.3.

Vulgate 1 Samuel 15: [3] Now the name of the man was Nabal; and the name of his wife Abigail; and the woman was of good understanding, and of a beautiful face: but the man was churlish and evil in his doings; and he was of the house of Caleb. [4]

II. Kunikos, ho, Cynic, as the followers of the philosopher Antisthenes were called, from the gymnasium ( [Kunosarges] ) where he taught, D.L.6.13; or from their resemblance to dogs in several respects, Diog.Cyn. ap. eund.6.60, Metrod.16, Polystr.p.20 W., Elias in Cat.111.2, etc.; Kratêti tôi k. Men.117 ; k. hairesis, askêsis, philosophia, Ph.1.352, J.AJ6.13.6, Jul.Or.6.187a; parrêsia k. Plu.2.69c ; to k. tês parrêsias Id.Brut. 34 . Adv. Comp. -ôteron Id.2.601e.

Paresia outspoken, frankness, freedom of speech, 4. liberality, lavishnes. this would MARK the rhetorician or one who speaks with great style and polish and makes himself the center of attraction. Jesus called them hypocrites and history identifies them as dogs. Peter warned that he left a MEMORY as a way to MARKK the false teacher.

[7] But when the assembly [congregation] is to be gathered together,
you shall blow,
but you shall not sound an alarm.

When you BLOW has the same meaning as a CHURCH BELL which tells you when to assemble. The BLOW is
Simplex I. In gen., simple, plain, uncompounded, unmixed, II. In partic., simple in a moral sense, without dissimulation, open, frank, straightforward, direct, guileless, artless, honest, sincere,

Without claging the tuba.

Tuba Apart from military purposes, it was used on various occasions, as at religious festivals, games, funerals,
........b. Sonorous, elevated epic poetry,
........c. A lofty style of speaking,
........II. Trop.: tuba belli civilis, i. e. exciter, author, instigato

I.perf., re, 3, v. n. [kindred with crocio, glocio; cf. clamo and klazô] , to clang, to sound, resound(rare; only in ante-class. and post-Aug. poets): crepitu clangente, Att. ap. Non. p. 463, 16: horrida clangunt signa tubae, Stat. Th. 4, 342 ; cf.: luctificum clangente tub, Val. Fl. 3, 349 : clangunt aquilae, Auct. Carm. Phil. 28.

This OUTLAWS the PRAISE singing which David used to MAKE WAR or a camp follower

Ululo Ullo I. Neutr., to howl, yell, shriek, utter a mournful cry. B.Transf., of places, to ring, resound, re-echo with howling, Feminise ululant, resonae ripa of the GALLIS or castrates.

feminise II.Transf., with an accessory notion of contempt, womanish, effeminate, unmanly: David's playing was MAKING HIMSELF VILE.

magicus , a, um, adj., = magikos, of or belonging to magic B. To say urgently or continually (late Lat.): vernacula principi, Amm. 17, 11, 1 .

........A. superstitio , o-nis, f. [super-sto; orig a standing still over or by a thing; hence, amazement, wonder, dread, esp. of the divine or supernatural] . II. In post-Aug. prose sometimes for religio, religious awe, sanctity; a religious rite:

........B. vanitas , a-tis, f. [vanus] . B. Esp., falsity, falsehood, deception, untruth, untrustworthiness, fickleness, etc.

........C. resono to sound or ring again, to resound, re-echo

........D. Cantus I. Neutr., to utter melodious notes, to sing, sound, play. Transf., of the instruments by which, or (poet.) of the places in which, the sounds are produced, to sound, resound: canentes tibiae,

........E. magicae resonant ubi Memnone chordae,mysterious









I will post this under Numbers 10 for the POSSIBLE one person out there who wants to know the PERSONA of the performance preachers and musicians USING them for their own PLEASURE while you PAY them.

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Ken Sublett

Yes: Jesus says that religious musician/sorcerers burn in hell.

February 14 2009, 3:43 PM 

Alan: Jesus does not speciffically utter the words "Do not use musical instruments or you will burn in the fires of Hell."

In fact He did MANY times: The Spirit of Christ informed Isaiah who told you about Lucifer as the singing and harp playing prostitute in the garden of Eden. Lucifer mounted a MUSICAL attack on Eve which became sexual. He brount wind, string and percussion instruments (tabret=topheth=hell). Jesus also inspired Isaiah who declares that HELL WAS PREPARED for his enemies: the SOUNDS of God beating them INTO HELL would be the same wind, string and percussion instruments. Sure, the musical enemies never read Isaiah.


Revelation 18 defines the musical "fruits" under the Babylon mother of harlots as SORCERERS and sorcerers, liars and dogs will all burn in hell. The Dog word meant the Cynics who sang an old style song to attract male customers: Paul undestanding Jesus insisted that wordhip be in the PLACE of the spirit rather IN THE FLESH otherwise the DOGS would get in.

I have posted the fact that before Jesus was born the Christ of God was the WORD (Dabar) speaking to Moses: when they rose up to PLAY in musical idolatry God turned them over to worship the starry host" which was just like the Egyptian worship they had practiced for over 400 years. That word PLAY means exactly what happens in instrumental churches except the sexual and homosexual arousal is not outward although you will never find a male PLAYER who would sing and play unless "he was drunk, a pervert or just for fun." The MINISTERS of the Mother goddess (Rev 17) were such lusted after FRUITS and John calls the speakers, singers and instrument players SORCERERS.

At the same time He ordained the SABBATH which had always been a rest day for decent people but a WORSHIP day for Babylon. The musical idolatry PROFANED that rest day. The PROFANE word can mean "play the flute, steal people's inheritance, pollute, prostitute" and how Lucifer was CAST OUT of heaven.

The Holy Convocation which was on each REST day was to read and rehearse the Word of god.

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That was the PATTERNISM Nehemiah used when the people stood up to listen to the WORD Read which was the way "Moses was preached." The PATTERNISM of the synagogue was INCLUSIVE and EXCLUSIVE.

Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city
them that preach him,
being read
in the synagogues every sabbath day.

The Alarm or Triumph over in Numbers 10 was vocal or instrumental rejoicing. That was OUTLAWED for the Qahal, synagogue or church in the wilderness.

The spiritual thread of the Israelites never "worshipped" at the temple when the NOISE never called music was played to "make the lambs dumb before the slaughter."

Even when the synagogue was more organized after the RETURN and the sacrificial system ceased long before the time of Jesus it "never had a praise service." For those in the know that would have violated a direct command of the Spirit of Chirist for the CHURCH in the wilderness and for all small groups quarantined to their PRECINCTS. A sabbath day's journey was defined by the Rabbi as about 700 feet and the WORK outlawed "sending out ministers."

That is what Jesus endorsed, what Paul commanded and what the church calling itself The Church of Christ practiced until pagan priests imposed SINGING in the year 373 and that split the east and west churches till this day: the Orthodox outside of America under the spell of Hollywood, Dollywood and the grand ole opry still does not use "machines for doing hard work."

You will find no historic scholar before the Christian Church in 1878 which ever tried to AUTHORIZE what they needed no authority to impose and most confessed in order to survive.

THEREFORE, you would need a DIRECT COMMAND from Jesus the Christ of God to BEGIN something He OUTLAWED for the ekklesia or church in the wilderness."

Furthermore, Jesus cast out the musical minstrels LIKE DUNG and consigned the pipers, singers and dancers to the marketplace where all of the pagan temples sold things, singers performed, speeches were made and they sold the bodies of men and radishes. The meaning of the PSALLO cord was a polluted rope which MARKED anyone who refusedt to go to the EKKLESIA for verbal instructions only: he was fined and not permitted to participate in the reading and discussion.

ABSOLUTELY: the Bible writers use the common pagan practices to REPUDIATE them: all of the key MUSICIANS were involved in leading people into or trying to retrieve people from HAIDES.

Alan: Do you think that Jesus would be happier about the fact that the CofC kept music out of our worship assemblies and kept berating believers who do not think like we do, or about the fact that we are spreading his message and winning souls for him through any means necessary.

All of the berating I am aware of is of people who have been USED as front men by the NACC to lie, cheat and steal the church houses of widows. The SPIRIT told them that the CURSE of the BURNING THE GOATS for already-lost Israel was GOD COMMANDING INSTRUMENTAL PRAISE and YOU HAD BETTERN NOT BE DISOBEDIENT."

When the NACC sected out of the Disciples in 1927 they have mounted periodic UNITY MEETINGS at which they demand that you AFFIRM instruments or CONFORM to instruments. The latest began 25 years ago with Leroy Garrett etal in the lead and later the 11 or so original plotters have sowed massive discord, broken up families, spent fortuns on THEATERS, spend a huge amount of money, took money away from honest evangelists and have only the ORIGINAL PLOTTERS who have added instruments at some times out of maybe 18,000 congregations in the world.

No, we do NOT use any means possible: being all things to all men did NOT prevent Paul from going out of his mind when they wanted to hold a ZEUS SACRIFICE for him: Zeus and Dionysus (new wineskers) were the Abomination of Desolation in the temple with castrated males (a cappella) serving in music and prostitution. No: Paul never did ANYTHING other than SLAVE to work with all people while HE preached the gospel to them: Paul gave an approved example and a direct command for all of those SUCKING UP all of the money and energy: it they will not work neither shall they eat.

Yes, Jesus repudiated Judas, gave him the SOP (the base of PSALLO) which was the MARK for satan to enter into him. That is because Psalm 41 prophesied that Judas would try to triumph over Jesus and THAT is the same vocal and instrumental rejoicing CHRIST OUTLAWED for the church in the wilderness and never rescinded. The Judas Bag was always attached to a flute case and was to hold the mouthpieces of wind instruments." I know what Jesus DID DO and my bet is that you don't know one preacher or Greek "scholar" who does or cares.

HERE IS THE MARK OF THE JUDAS GOAT (PAN is the BEAST in Revelation and one of the marks is A NEW STYLE SINGING)

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The Judas bag is mentioned only ONCE in scripture and there are HUNDREDS of Greek vases showing that it is always attached to the spotted flute case. There were always perverted and always "drunk on wine." The OAX GOAD was a PHALLIC SYMBOL of superiority and they rested on it while they puked: did you know that CLAPPING includes VOMITING because it always meant to HISS at the losers--Jesus Christ they THINK now.

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