Jay Guin: oneinjesus on Richland's INSTRUMENTAL shift.
May 8 2009 at 12:15 PM
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Jay Guin of oneinjesus forum claims to be a member of the Church of Christ but he seems to have joined the Gang of 12 or so actively denouncing the Church of Christ for all of its values. He has the same circle of defenders as those who split Madison and other churches defending INSTRUMENTS while many were on the payrole of those pledged to NEVER use "machined for doing hard work" and being marked as a SISSIFIED group.
He says Psallo demands instruments: all of his friends say RIGHT ON. Ken says WRONG.
He said that the CENI was invented by the Churche of Christ: Ken says wrong.
He inverts Romans 14 to ALLOW instruments and says that we are always whining that "if you would quit playing instruments WE could have fellership." Ken says no.
Jay puts Ken on short leash: don't blame him so he directed anyone interested (two or three) to my pages so I have set up a Jay Guin index at:
Jay seems like a nice guy but those he RUNS WITH have a bad habit of lying about the Bible and inventing all of the RACA words to use against the Church of Christ who they think INVENTED "speak wehere the Bible speaks" and not making pagan music in the face of a holy God. I think he is trainable because he has not gone ballistic like some of his posters.
It will be easier to format the BIBLE and historical quotes which they say they cannot read.
I have updated the REVIEW index based on the "not fact" that Tom Olbricht claims that the Church got its "hermeneutics" fro Zwingli.
I have posted some of his false claims from the Declaration and Address. Like all "scholars" he quotes others but not Zwingil etal. Zwingli objected to SINGING as AN ACT OF WORSHIP because before the Reformation NO ONE SANG as a legalistic act of worship. The Bible is NOT metrical and you could not sing it musically if your life depended on it. I have posted Olbricht's review here:
You can see that ALL of the oneinjesus believe "lying wonders" of anyone who claims to be a "scholar."
Furthermore, I have posted a review of Jay Guins article of Romans. He INVERTS Paul's outlawing of the hypocritic arts and INSISTS that we need to quit catering to the "scruples" of the weak who have NEVER used instruments. As almost always you can find a Classical story defining how WEAK people make the NEW LAWS and impose them on the STRONG by using music and other forms of witchcraft.
The problem with CHANGELINGS is that God sends them a STRONG DELUSION and they believe the LYING WONDERSS just on time.
Taumatourg-eô ,
A. = thaumatopoieô, X.Smp.7.2; work wonders or miracles, Ph.2.18,185; but ta perigeia th. 'play tricks with', of Xerxes, Id.1.674; ta tethaumatourgęmena wonderful phenomena, Pl.Ti. 80c.
Same as Teratourgeo, Teratourga, Thaumasios
Xenophon, Symposium VII. Then some among the rest of the banqueters kept urging Philip to go on with his comparisons, while others opposed. As the clamour rose to some height, Socrates once more interposed, saying: Since we all want to talk, would this not be a fine time to join in singing? And with the words he began a song. [2] When they had finished, a potter's wheel was brought in for the dancing girl on which she intended performing some feats of jugglery.
This prompted Socrates to observe to the Syracusan: Sir, it is quite probable that, to use your words, I am indeed a thinker; at any rate, I am now considering how it might be possible for this lad of yours and this maid to exert as little effort as may be, and at the same time give us the greatest possible amount of pleasure in watching them,--this being your purpose, also, I am sure. [3] Now, turning somersaults in among knives seems to me to be a dangerous exhibition, which is utterly out of place at a banquet. Also, to write or read aloud on a whirling potter's wheel may perhaps be something of a feat; yet I cannot conceive what pleasure even this can afford. Nor is it any more diverting to watch the young and beautiful going through bodily contortions and imitating hoops than to contemplate them in repose. [4] For it is of course no rare event to meet with marvels, if that is what one's mind is set on. He may marvel at what he finds immediately at hand
Isthmian 7 For Strepsiades of Thebes Pancratium ?454 B. C.
[1] In which of the local glories of the past, divinely blessed Thebe, did you most delight your spirit? Was it when you raised to eminence the one seated beside Demeter of the clashing bronze cymbals, flowing-haired [5] Dionysus? Or when you received, as a snow-shower of gold in the middle of the night, the greatest of the gods, [6] when he stood in the doorway of Amphitryon, and then went in to the wife to beget Heracles? Or did you delight most in the shrewd counsels of Teiresias? Or in the wise horseman Iolaus? [10] Or in the Sown Men, untiring with the spear? Or when you sent Adrastus back from the mighty war-shout, bereft [11] of countless companions, to Argos, home of horses?
THE MARK OF APOLLO OR ABADDON, APOLLYON AND HIS MUSES OR LOCUSTS:
Prophętęs [prophęmi]
I. one who speaks for a God and interprets his will to man, a prophet; so Teiresias is pr. Dios, Jove's interpreter, Pind.; and of Apollo, Dios prophętęs esti Loxias patros Aesch.; while the Pythia, in turn, became the prophętis of Apollo, Hdt.; so Poets are called hoi tôn Mousôn prophętai interpreters of the Muses, Plat.
2. generally, an interpreter, declarer, egô pr. soi logôn genęsomai Eur.; so, the bowl is called kômou prophatęs, Pind.
Prophętis 1 [fem. of prophętęs] of the Pythia, Eur.
(Puthia). The priestess of Apollo at Delphi who pronounced the oracles. See Delphi; Oraculum.
Puthios [u_; i_ metri gr. in h.Ap.373], a, on, ( [Pu_thô] ) Pythian, i.e. Delphian, epith. of Apollo, l.c., Pi.O.14.11, etc. (P. alone is f.l. in E. Ion 285); en Puthiou in
This is what happens when Ken is faced with someone who knows the Bible better and can put scripture in the correct context that it was meant for. Ken scared, Ken attacks.
Paul speaks of DIET and the DAYS people showed up at the markets where Jesus consigned the pipers, singers and dancers.
Behind the MARK OF DIET is another class of WEAK people for those who think that the weak resist instruments but the Strong are gonna run all over them even if they whine.
The fact is that the WEAK who usually impose their will on the STRONG are those with the hypocritic arts and crafts able to drive people into what Paul called madness.
What the music imposers will never know but why church history universally REPUDIATES them is that WEAK points directly to those Paul called DOGS and WOLVES who used plucking the harp strings to seduce a young "youth minister" who was plucked and ready to serve him.
Music MARKS the effeminate
Arnobius defining heresies:
41. Was it for this He sent souls, that they which shortly before had been gentle
and ignorant of what it is to be moved by fierce passions,
should build for themselves markets and amphi-theatres, places of blood and open wickedness, in the one of which they should see men devoured and torn in pieces by wild beasts, and themselves slay others for no demerit but to please and gratify the spectators, [voluptatemque] and should spend those very days on which such wicked deeds were done in general enjoyment,
and keep holiday with festive gaiety; while in the other, again, they should tear asunder the flesh of wretched animals, some snatch one part, others another, as dogs and vultures do, should grind them with their teeth, and give to their utterly insatiable maw, and that, surrounded by faces so fierce and savage, those should bewail their lot whom the straits of poverty withheld from such repasts; that their life should be happy and prosperous while such barbarous doings defiled their mouths and face?
Was it for this He sent souls, that, forgetting their importance and dignity as divine, they should acquire gems, precious stones, pearls, at the expense of their purity; should entwine their necks with these, pierce the tips of their ears, bind their foreheads with fillets, seek for cosmetics to deck their bodies, darken their eyes with henna ; nor, though in the forms of men, blush to curl their hair with crisping-pins, to make the skin of the body smooth, to walk with bare knees, and with every other kind of wantonness,
both to lay aside the strength of their manhood,
and to grow in effeminacy to a woman's habits and luxury?
"Now, many a man from the false religions, which are not ashamed of criticising what is noble, will ask: how can there be a feast without carousing and overeating, without the pleasant company of hosts and guests, without quantities of unmixed wine, without richly set tables and highly stacked provisions of everything that pertains to a banquet, without pageantry and jokes,
bantering and merry-making to the accompaniment of flutes and citharas, the sound of drums and cymbals and other effeminate and frivolous music of every king,
enkindling unbridled lusts with the help of the sense of hearing. For in and through the same [pleasures] those persons openly seek their joy, for what true joy is their they do not know.
Sorry bout that: but you have maybe discovered something about yourself you had not totally grasped. The homosexual crowdboated that they had taken over movies, music and all media and were going to take over the CHURCHES. That is prophesied that those DELUSIONED would perform LYING WONDERS which points directly to all of the performing arts. Sorry, but Revelation says that the plague will get them all marked by weeping sores.
I think that we should remind people that Amos defined by Stephen should be a reminder that sometimes "reverence and Godly fear" can be a good thing if we missed out on Christ speaking through the prophets in opposition to the kings and priests.
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What Happened At the Madison Church of Christ?
There are thousands of churches being taken over across America.
This book is only about one of those churches. It's about the Madison
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Many of the current members of the Madison Church of Christ still don't
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Madison Church of Christ was a 60 year old church. At one time it was
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of Jesus Christ.
At sometime in the last 10 years there was a deliberate plan by a majority
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The Elders knew that the membership would never approve such a plan.
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At the heart of the plan was the fact that old members were going to
be driven off so new techniques could be used to go out and reach the unchurched
through new "Contemporary Holy Entertainment" methods developed by the
"Community Church Movement"
Old members had to be kept on board long enough to get their plans ready,
or the funds would not be there to pay for the new building. So by the
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Here is the list of players;
5 Godly Elders
10 Not so Godly Elders
120 "Deacons" (allegiance unknown)
2,800 - 4,000 church "members"
2 "teners" (people who have publicly confessed to have broken all ten
commandments)
Unknown number of "sinners" (This is what the 10 elders call us.)
Unknown number of "demons" (Flying everywhere, to many to count)
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