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Damnation of "For Pretence" means speaking, singing, playing, acting.

January 22 2011 at 3:23 PM
Ken Sublett 
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One of the passages quoted by Luther in connection with the synagogue in Romans 15 which with all recorded history denounces music which replaces the Word is Micah which is the VOICE of the VICTIM where music derived from mystery means to "silence the voice of the victim."

Micah 2:1 WOE to them that [b]devise iniquity,[/b]
.....and work evil upon their beds when the morning is light,
.....they practise it, [b]because it is in the power of their hand[/b].

Micah 2:2 And they [b]covet fields,[/b] and take them by [b]violence[/b];
.....and houses, and take them away:
.....so they oppress a man and his house,
.....[b]even a man and his heritage[/b].
Mic. 3:10 They build up Zion with blood, and Jerusalem with iniquity.
Mic. 3:11 The [b]heads thereof judge for reward,[/b]
.....and the [b]priests thereof teach for hire,[/b]

H4242 mekh-eer' From an unused root meaning to buy; price, payment, wages:gain, hire, price, sold, worth.

and the [b]prophets thereof divine for money[/b]:

H7081 qesem keh'-sem From H7080 ; a lot; also [b]divination[/b] (including its fee), oracle:(reward of) divination, divine sentence, [b]witchcraft[/b].

Both divination and witchcraft includes the HYPOCRITES making pretence.
.....yet will they lean upon the LORD,
.....and say, Is not the LORD among us?
.....none evil can come upon us.
Mic. 3:12 Therefore shall Zion for your sake be plowed as a field,
.....and Jerusalem shall become heaps,
..... and the mountain of the house as the high places of the forest.

Jesus pronounced woes upon the Scribes and Pharisees: hypocrites includes preachers, singers and instrument players.

Matt. 23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
.....for ye devour widows houses,
.....and for a pretence make long prayer:
.....therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

I finally saw how the words were used for my morning shock. You are not bound to read it.

Wouldn't it be wonderful that when you finally read Jesus pronouncement of DAMNATION on the hypocrites, which Christ pointed to preachers, singers and instrument players, that by reading the text we discover that the HYPOCRITES (only points to performers), the PRETENCE means:

Enter into a house, entry of the chorus, actors coming on the stage to perform the HYPOCRITIC arts and Crafts Paul excluded

Jesus is not speaking of HYPOCRITES making literal PRAYERS: They call out to make themselves famous, celebrate, celebrate with Abaddon's harp, sing as a minstrel, celebrate in song.

Jesus says they are doomed to DAMNATION. Christ in Isaiah 30 says that hell was prepared for them and the marks in sight and sound will be a sudden invasion of music. John called them sorcerers and consigned them to the Lake of Fire. I will post more and link to a page so you can read for yourself.

 
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Ken Sublett

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History refutes lie that Churches of Christ sowed discord

January 23 2011, 10:26 AM 

Again, really? What does history have to do with anything if what we are about is reading Scripture? Why don't we try to apply Scripture correctly rather than Luther's opinions?

History is important to refute and repudiate those who blame Alexander Campbell and others for SOWING DISCORD by rejecting instruments in the Qahal, Synagogue or Church of Christ in the wilderness: Chirst ordained the Holy convocation which was followed when the GENERAL POPULATION was assembled ONLY to hear the Word of God. Division happened primarily in the Disciples / Christian Churches.

The Campbells agreed with Christ:

Church is A School of Christ. Peter affirmed that by pointing to the prophets by Christ and the prophecies made more perfect by Jesus of Nazareth. That is the COMMANDED resources.

Worship is Reading and Musing The Word of God.


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That is what Paul commanded:

SPEAK (excludes poetry or music) "That which is written for our learning" using one mind and one mouth. The one mouth points to the human "glossa" which EXCLUDES the glossa or mouthpieces of Judas' wind instrument.

Singing AND making melody (Grace) is IN THE HEART..

MORE ON LUTHER DEFINING ROMANS WITHOUT A TICK TO HIS "VENUE FOR ROCK AND ROLL."

55. It is plainly evident who have abolished divine service and still daily SUPPRESS it.
They are none but that hopeless rabble, the Pope and his blockheads the bishops and priests, monks and nuns,
whose great boast is of their divine services;
who delight to be called the spiritual class and,
by their juggling, grasp the advantages and honors of the world and live in riotousness.

Yet they pretend to help others to heaven with their foolish works and no mention of the Gospel.
Indeed, they persecute and condemn the Gospel,
[color=red]giving Peter just occasion to term them children of condemnation.[/color]

56. Note, Paul says divine service must be rendered with "one MIND" and with "one MOUTH."
We render divine service when we are harmonious,
and when we recognize our common equality and our common blessings in Christ;
when NONE exalts himself above another nor assumes special advantages.

Do you ask how it is we are equal, I reply: All outside of Christ are equally condemned. One needs Christ as much as another.When converted, all receive the same baptism and sacrament, the same faith, the same Christ and Spirit, the same Gospel--in a word, the same God.

Here in this wilderness the heavenly bread is impartially distributed.

Then how can it possibly be right for one to EXALT himself over his fellow spiritually,
one priest above the other? What can he have that surpasses Christ?
And each has the same Christ, and Christ receives each one unreservedly.

Luther and all disciples of Christ understand that all of the epistles CONDEMN the use of music which is a device of those "seing godliness as financial gain" or occupation.

2 Peter 2:13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness,
as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time.
Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves
with their own deceivings [delusions] while they feast with you;

All musicians and rhetoricians are equated to parasites.

Entrupo (g1792) en-troo-fah'-o; from 1722 and 5171; to revel in: - sporting selves.
gamêliôi lechei [marriage couch-bed] hêdonais, playing in the wind, exult over, treat haughtily or contemptuously, made a mock of, tinos sumphorais, III. use or abuse at pleasure Paison paizô [pais]
4. to play (on an instrument), Hhymn. II. to sport, play, jest, joke, Hdt., Xen., etc.; p. pros tina to make sport of one, mock him,

[See Plato-Symposium]

http://www.piney.com/ClassPlatoSymposium.html

Symposium;


Then, said Eryximachus, as you are all agreed that drinking is to be voluntary, and that there is to be no compulsion,
I move, in the next place, that the flute-girl, who has just made her appearance,
be told to go away and play to herself, or,
if she likes, to the women who are within.
To-day let us have conversation instead;
and, if you will allow me, I will tell you what sort of conversation.

Jesus CAST OUT the flute girls and minstrels like dung to speak HIS Word.
tên...aulêtrida. It was the fashion at convivia to provide pipers, dancers,

So not even the vile Symposium of the Crooked Generation permitted wine and the flute-girl when there was something to be discussed.

A Levite "musician" who went NEAR any holy thing or IN a holy place was to be EXECUTED: a terminal offense just as was the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai.


 
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Ken Sublett

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All religious MUSIC intends to FLEECE the lambs.

January 27 2011, 4:35 PM 

Much of the Bible identifies the prevaiing Greek, Roman and Jewish Worship to REPUDIATE the use of music which is always the WEAPON of those "intending to make the lambs dumb before the slaughter." Most children of that time would not fall sucker bait to anyone imposing MUSIC knowing that Jesus spoke of the Jewish Clergy as hypocrites (preachers, singers, instrument players) the MARK of someone entertaining in order to fleece the sheep.

HOMER SPEAK FOR ALL DECENT AND LITERATE SOCIETY:

(Butler 1.2) Then the suitors came in and took their places on the benches and seats.
......Forthwith men servants poured water over their hands,
......maids went round with the bread-baskets,
......pages filled the mixing-bowls with wine and water,
......and they laid their hands upon the good things that were before them.
......As soon as they had had enough to eat and drink they wanted music and dancing,
......which are the crowning embellishments of a banquet,
......so a servant brought a lyre to Phemios,
......whom they compelled perforce to sing to them.


PETER WARNING AGAINST THOSE WHO PRIVATE INTERPRET OR FURTHER EXPOUND FOR PAY BECAUSE THEY CORRUPT THE WORD-SELL BAD LEARNING AT RETAIL.

2 Peter 2:13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness,
......as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time.
......Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves
......with their own deceivings [delusions] while they feast with you;

13 hdonn hgoumenoi tn en hmera truphn, spiloi kai mmoi entruphntes en tais apatais autn suneukhoumenoi humin,

Hedone A. enjoyment, pleasure, first in Simon.71, S.l.c., Hdt.1.24, al.; prop. of sensual pleasures,

Hgeomai , 2. c. dat. pers. et gen. rei, to be one's leader in a thing, theios aoidos . . hmin hgeisth . . orkhthmoio Od.23.134; h. tini sophias, ds, Lead, command in war.

God HIDES Himself from the Wise or Sophias: skilled in music and singing, in divination, in rhetoric

Truph- ,softness, delicacy, daintiness, 2 Ep.Pet.2.13; II. luxuriousness, wantonness, tn gunaikn h t. Ar.Lys.387; t. kai akolasia, t. kai malthakia, give oneself airs, be dainty, fastidious, Spoiled pets in the EKKLESIA

......Aristoph. Lys. 387
......Have the luxurious rites of the women glittered
......Their libertine show, their drumming tapped out crowds,
......The Sabazian (like the Jews) Mysteries summoned their mob,
......Adonis been wept to death on the terraces,
......As I could hear the last day in the Assembly?

......This is defined as the worship by the women of Tammuz in the Temple set up for pagan idolatry.

http://www.piney.com/MuTammuz.html

That is why ALL of those using music AS worship are forced to appeal to the sacrificial exorcist musicians God never commanded

No one is so ancient that they did not know that musical prophesying (witchery) was the world's OLDEST profession. Scholars note of the religious musicians who sang AND played an instrument (Anti-instruction) was "drunk, perverted or just having fun."

This is the PLAY at Mount Sinai: God turned them over to worship the starry host or Sabazianism: Music in the presence of God when He intends to teach is always deemed without redemption.

Paison paizô [pais] 4. play on a musical instrument, h.Ap.206: c. acc., Pan ho kalamophthogga paizn Ar.Ra.230; dance and sing, Pi. O.1.16. 5. play amorously, pros alllous X.Smp.9.2; meta tinos LXX Ge.26.8; of mares

HOMER SHOWING THAT SOMEONE NEEDS TO STAND IN THE GAP AND WARN THE TINY REMNANT.

Hom. Od. 1.3 As soon as he touched (the psallo word) his lyre and began to sing Telemakhos spoke low to Athena,
with his head close to hers that no man might hear.

"I hope, sir," said he,
......"that you will not be offended with what I am going to say.
......Singing comes cheap to those who do not pay for it,
......and all this is done at the cost of one whose bones lie rotting in some wilderness
......or grinding to powder in the surf. (That PSA prefex, Sop, Psallo)
...... If these men were to see my father come back to Ithaca
............they would pray for longer legs rather than a longer purse,
............for wealth would not serve them;


AND PETER WARNED ABOUT THOSE WHO DO NOT SPEAK THAT WHICH IS RECORDED FOR OUR MEMORY.

http://www.piney.com/2.Peter.1.html

2Pet. 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery,
......and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls:
......an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
2Pet. 2:15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray,
......following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor,
......who loved the wages of unrighteousness;

......2 Cor 2:17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God:
......but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.

......Kapeleuo (g2585) kap-ale-yoo'-o; from kapelos , (a huckster); to retail, i.e. (by impl.)
......to adulterate (fig.): - corrupt kapêl-euô , A. to be a retail-dealer, drive a petty trade..
.......kapêleu' drive a trade, chaffer with your vegetable food Hdt.1.155

2Pet. 2:16 But was rebuked for his iniquity:
......the dumb ass speaking with mans voice forbad the madness of the prophet.
2Pet. 2:17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest;
............to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.
2Pet. 2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity,
............they allure through the lusts of the flesh,
............through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
2Pet. 2:19 While they promise them liberty,
............they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.




 
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Ken Sublett

67.142.130.14

Bobby Valentine, Pepperdine, Unleashing the Holy Spirit

January 27 2011, 7:15 PM 

All of the sowing of discord in the last few decades derives from men who believe that if THEY believe something or just want to do it they have the endorsement of the "Holy Spirit" person. One of the discorders at Pepperdine this year claims that "a" spirit told him that God commanded instrumental praise and you had better not disobey. Of course, the PATTERNISM is for the burnt offering of the GOATS which Christ in the Prophets say that God did not command.

My first review will be my notes on K.C.Moser the "revived" authority on the Holy Spirit and other false teachings.

http://www.piney.com/Bobby.Valentine.Holy.Spirit.Unleashed.K.C.Moser.html

 
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Fred Whaley

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Re: All religious MUSIC intends to FLEECE the lambs.

February 2 2011, 12:42 PM 

Ken - What else does Homer say about worship and music? Fred is interested in reading all there is from Homer. Keep up the fine work Ken.

Fred Whaley

 
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Ken Sublett

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Re: All religious MUSIC intends to FLEECE the lambs.

February 3 2011, 8:23 PM 

Music always told God to shut His face.

Mark me, and be astonished, and lay your hand upon your mouth Job 21:5 .
Even when I remember I am afraid, and trembling taketh hold on my flesh. Job 21:6

Wherefore do the wicked live, become old, yea, are mighty in power? Job 21:7
Their seed is established in their sight with them, and their offspring before their eyes. Job 21:8
Their houses are safe from fear, neither is the rod of God upon them. Job 21:9
Their bull gendereth, and faileth not; their cow calveth, and casteth not her calf. Job 21:10
They send forth their little ones like a flock, and their children dance. Job 21:11
They take the timbrel and harp, and rejoice at the sound of the organ. Job 21:12
They spend their days in wealth, and in a moment go down to the grave. Job 21:13

WHAT DID THEY TELL GOD?

Therefore they say unto God, Depart from us; for we desire not the knowledge of thy ways. Job 21:14

What is the Almighty, that we should serve him? and what profit should we have, if we pray unto him? Job 21:15

People are not lost because they impose music in the face of a holy, adult, masculine God.
Music is IMPOSED as the mark that God has been there and gone.

Amos 8:2 And he said, Amos, what seest thou?
And I said, A basket of summer fruit. (catamites, fruits)
Then said the LORD unto me,
The end is come upon my people of Israel;
I will not again pass by them any more.

 
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