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The Mark of the Beast

August 14 2011 at 9:33 PM
Ken Sublett 
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Theologians have given themselves permission to ignore the text and make up their own funny buffoonish sermons. Jesus knew that: He said that the doctors of the Law take away the key to knowledge. That is when God sends strong delusions so that he and his paying audience BRAND with The Mark of the Beast.

Jeremiah was inspired by the Spirit of Christ.
He said that to say that God said something when God did not say it is to despise or blaspheme the Holy Spirit.

The Direct Command is to build the church on the foundation of the Prophets (by Christ) and the prophecies made more certain by Jesus of Nazareth.

All of the prophets repudiate the Jewish Monarchy as robbers and parasites: the Scribes had a lying pen and Jesus quoted Ezekiel 33 to NAME preachers, singers and instruments as hypocrites. Yes, you can have all of the Phds in the world and never be allowed to grasp the fatal fall from grace caused by musical idolatry at Mount Sinai. If you pay for the Free water of the Word you are violating the command of Christ in Isaiah 55.

Anyone who claims that God commanded anyone to use instrumental music in a worship setting is:

Terminally ignorant
Or terminally evil.

Not even Judas--whose bag was for carrying the mouthpieces of wind instruments--knew that he was indwelled by Satan -- the Son of Perdition -- until Jesus gave him the SOP mark which is the rood meaning of PSALLO.

In all of the Bible and contemporaneoud accounts--beginning with clay tablets--the fall into musical idolatry meant that you have fallen and cannot get up.

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Ken Sublett

The Kingdom of God does not come with Religious Observations or worship services.

September 14 2011, 11:00 AM 

The Kingdom of God does not come with Observations: this means religious "worship" services where Christ commanded an Educational Service. Only legalists believe that they can WORK hard enough with music being very works intensive to bring the KINGDOM to their time and place.

In fact Violent men take the Kingdom by VIOLENT means: one of those is the use of music to "make the lambs dumb before the slaughter." Below, Rick will tell you how to make YOUR lambs dumb before the slaughter.

Rick Atchley and Chris Seidman in New Wineskins reviewed by Jay Guin boast about how they deliberately deceived the youth by exposing them to meetings where talented musical groups performed. This was very clear when the "movement" determined to "leave the old folks behind."

Rick says that they DELIVERATELY discipled them to leave our MOVEMENT but NOT the kingdom.
Strange since Bible readers understand that the Kingdom of God does NOT come with Religious Observations or "worship services." The Church of Christ is built on the foundation of the Prophets and Apostles and the direct command was to TEACH that which is written for our learning.

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Re: Saying that God commanded instruments is blasphemy.

December 4 2011, 12:03 PM 

Anyone who claims that God commanded anyone to use instrumental music in a worship setting is:

Terminally ignorant
Or terminally evil.


Ken, if anyone should be sweating bullets, I think it would be you. God did not condemn instruments, YOU did. JMHO.

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Donnie Cruz

Re: Saying that God commanded instruments is blasphemy.

December 6 2011, 6:41 PM 


There is a marked distinction between: (1) what God commanded and (2) what God did not condemn.

(1) There is not a single command in the entire Holy Scripture for God's followers to worship Him with the operation of mechanical music.

(2) There is not a single condemnation of the worship of the Virgin Mary as the "Mother of God." Do you worship and pray to the Virgin Mary?

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Good point

December 11 2011, 5:36 AM 

Good point, Racnor. Which is blasphemy? To quote scripture on what God has commanded and allowed, or to attribute to evil what comes from God?

Jesus answered that question for us.

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Ken Sublett


December 12 2011, 8:32 PM 

The instrumentalists use the Levites who were Jacob-cursed and under the king and commanders of the army to execute anyone who came near or into any so-called holy place. Even a Levite who went into a holy place with or without an instrument would be executed. The "parable" or prophetic type is that if instrumentalists come into the holy places they prove that as God promised them "I will not pass by again" and he left them to starve for the water of the Word. Jesus said that the lake of fire is prepared for those who refuse to "feed" the least member. He said My words are SPIRIT and LIFE. Your songs and sermons are "twinkys" and blubber-burgers.

They were commanded to stand in ranks and guard the NOT commanded animal sacrifices.

Christ in the prophets says that God did not command ANYTHING under the pagan monarchy.

Therefore, anyone who uses the Levites as their patternism tells the Spirit OF Christ that He is a liar.

That is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Those who have blasphemed may not know that their musical rituals are the lying wonders of those God sent strong delusions. They have no trouble stealing the church house of widows.

Christ spoke ONLY through the prophets. Jesus made those prophecies more certain.
The church is built (educated) on the Prophets and Apostles with Christ being the underlayment for both. Peter says you cannot "further expound" and that excludes music or sorcery.

If you think that instruments have a role when Jesus comes to teach when the elders teach that which has been taught, then you do not and probably cannot ever grasp that Jesus came into the world to save lost spirits. His MARK for easy identification is that He is the WORD of God and never the song. You don't "sell" it you "tell" it and having spoken move on to find more lost spirits: these He translates into a heavenly kingdom so that the Devil cannot get into their "worship."

Those who ADD what Christ has NOT commanded are Scribes or Pharisees: Jesus calls them hypocrites. This necessarily fulfils the Prophecy by the Spirit OF (preposition) Christ. In Ezekiel 33 He puts the MARK of entertainment preachers, singers and instrument players. He gives both the beautiful songs and talented instruments a mark of 0. That fits Pauls quantifying the "tongues" versue Words.

"Cain" is from a "musical note" so please don't take the mark.

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Phil Starnes

Just Scripture Please

December 13 2011, 11:40 AM 

2 Samuel 6:5: And David and all the house of
Israel were making merry before the LORD, with songs and lyres and
harps and tambourines and castanets and cymbals.

2 Samuel 6:15:
So David and all the house of Israel brought up the ark of the LORD with shouting and with the sound of the horn.

1 Kings 10:12:
And the king made of the almug wood supports for the house of the LORD and for the kings house, also lyres and harps for the singers. No such almug wood has come or been seen to this day.

1 Chronicles 13:8:
And David and all Israel were rejoicing before God with all their might, with song and lyres and harps and tambourines and cymbals and trumpets.

1 Chronicles 15:16:
David also commanded the chiefs of the Levites to appoint their brothers as the singers who should play loudly on musical instruments, on harps and lyres and cymbals, to raise sounds of joy.

1 Chronicles 15:21:
but Mattithiah, Eliphelehu, Mikneiah, Obed-edom, Jeiel, and Azaziah were to lead with lyres according to the Sheminith.

1 Chronicles 15:28:
So all Israel brought up the ark of the covenant of the LORD with shouting, to the sound of the horn, trumpets, and cymbals, and made loud music on harps and lyres.

1 Chronicles 25:1:
David and the chiefs of the service also set apart for the service the sons of Asaph, and of Heman, and of Jeduthun, who prophesied with lyres, with harps, and with cymbals.

2 Chronicles 29:25:
And he stationed the Levites in the house of the LORD with cymbals, harps, and lyres, according to the commandment of David and of Gad the kings seer and of Nathan the prophet, for the commandment was from the LORD through his prophets.

Psalm 33:2:
Give thanks to the LORD with the lyre;
make melody to him with the harp of ten strings!

Psalm 149:3:
Let them praise his name with dancing,
making melody to him with tambourine and lyre!
Psalm 81:2:
Raise a song; sound the tambourine,
the sweet lyre with the harp.

Revelation 5:8:
And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.

Revelation 15:2:
And I saw what appeared to be a sea of glass mingled with fireand also those who had conquered the beast and its image and the number of its name, standing beside the sea of glass with harps of God in their hands.

Mark 7:6b-8:
"'This people honors me with their lips,
but their heart is far from me;
in vain do they worship me,
teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.'
You leave the commandment of God and hold to the tradition of men."

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Ken Sublett

Looking at the context

December 13 2011, 1:41 PM 

If you read First Samuel you will discover that the demand for a king was the TRIP POINT for God to carry out the penalty for musical idolatry at Mount Sinai.

The indictment against music in any form when we are to assemble to teach the word of Christ without further expounding meaning to add "i think so" or maybe Grace gonna cover up the smell I make.

The problem in Amos and Isaiah was that the rituals caused the common people to hunger and thirst for the word. These proof texts is the PATTERNISM which does not love the Word of Christ in the prophets and apostles. In fact Christ in the prophets warned about the "lying pen of the Scribes" writing about the temple because neither kingdom, king, temple, animal slaughter or instruments were commanded: if you obey the command and BUILD or educate the church on the foundation of the Prophets and Apostles both as the word of Christ made more certain by Jesus.

2 Samuel 6:5:
And David and all the house of Israel were making merry before the LORD, with songs and lyres and harps and tambourines and castanets and cymbals.

David rose up to PLAY identical to Israel's rising up to play in musical idolatry.

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Ken Sublett

Phil: you MUST respond: all of your THOUGH LEADERS are lying to you.

December 13 2011, 5:32 PM 

Why shouldn't the MASSES of people WAGED to traffic the Free Water of the Word not be willing to lie to you JUST as the Levites lied to them? Even those who have reached the highest level of incompetence use the SAME verses out of context to make the Word be turned into a lie; doctors of the Law "take away the key to knowledge." That is their job; that is what they do. The joke is that those who are lying by building on the PATTERNISM foundation of the Levites are themselves called liars by Christ in the prophets.

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This was the Ephod David was wearing: all of the priestly garments were patterned after women's dress because the Levites and David "performed the roles of women."

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If you starve people for the WORD (Amos and Isaiah) Jesus means that you withhold His Word which is Spirit and Life, Jesus consignes you to be cast alive into the Lake of fire along with the musical misleaders called soothsayers or sorcerers. David's musical prophesying means SOOTHSAYING.

I don't expect those who have had the trick turned on them will ever respond: on another thread you can quote the bible and even the "conservatives" pretend that they can neither hear or read Christ's repudiation of anything beyond assembling A School of Christ (the Campbell's Restoration Purpose) which the "located missionaries" quickly hid from the people.

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Phil Starnes

In Context

December 14 2011, 12:34 PM 

You might want to read this in context. I reject your contention that David was an apostate. The Scripture is replete with evidence that God annointed him as king. Look at Acts 15. I assume you don't consider Paul an apostate.

2 Samuel 6

16 But as the Ark of the Lord entered the City of David, Michal, the daughter of Saul, looked down from her window. When she saw King David leaping and dancing before the Lord, she was filled with contempt for him.
17 They brought the Ark of the Lord and set it in its place inside the special tent David had prepared for it. And David sacrificed burnt offerings and peace offerings to the Lord. 18 When he had finished his sacrifices, David blessed the people in the name of the Lord of Heavens Armies. 19 Then he gave to every Israelite man and woman in the crowd a loaf of bread, a cake of dates,[f] and a cake of raisins. Then all the people returned to their homes.

20 When David returned home to bless his own family, Michal, the daughter of Saul, came out to meet him. She said in disgust, How distinguished the king of Israel looked today, shamelessly exposing himself to the servant girls like any vulgar person might do!

21 David retorted to Michal, I was dancing before the Lord, who chose me above your father and all his family! He appointed me as the leader of Israel, the people of the Lord, so I celebrate before the Lord. 22 Yes, and I am willing to look even more foolish than this, even to be humiliated in my own eyes! But those servant girls you mentioned will indeed think I am distinguished! 23 So Michal, the daughter of Saul, remained childless throughout her entire life.

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Ken Sublett

God does not approve of making yourself VILE

December 14 2011, 4:07 PM 

David was "a man after God's own heart" has nothing to do with David's character. It simply means that God Picked David instead of letting the people select him (if you believe the Scribes whom Christ claimed had a LYING PEN or Jesus who called the Scribes, hypocrites where Christ in Ezekiel 33 marked preachers, singers or instrument players as the MARK that people are not going to PREACH Jesus by READING Jesus.

Sorry, but you have been hacked by false teachers who do not have a remote clue about the Record of the Hebrew People whom God abandoned to worship the starry host because they rose up to PLAY just as David rose up to PLAY. To rise up to play means to rise up AGAINST God.

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2 Sam 6:23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.

To that end David had all of Michal's children (or sister's children) slaughtered except one cripple to make sure that none of Saul's descendants could challenge him. David offered one of Michal's sons up for human sacrifice. I guess that should warn any totally faithful Michal not to challenge kings who CLAIMED that they were chosen by God and David who said that "God loved him because he was perfecty righteous in all of his ways. I assure you that if you tell YOUR king/queen set over us that they have no clothes they will find a way to sacrifice you from being part of his INCLUDEDS.

David said that God wouldn't let him built a HOUSE FOR GOD because he had shed too much blood.
Solomon said that it was because David had not SHEDDED ENOUGH BLOOD.
God said that He does not live in houses and cannot be worshipped by the Works of human hands: pointing, waving, clapping or PICKING and grinning where a musical instrument is A MACHINE FOR DOING HARD WORK.
Christ said the Scribes had lying pens and the Scribes served as HYPOCRITES meaning slick preaching, singing, playing instruments and ACTING. Christ in Isaiah 3 warned about the effeminate ruling over you.

The danger of listening to songs and sermons is that you CAN be, as Rick Bragged, be slittered out of OUR MOVEMENT by listening to enough musical bands. You CAN be sentenced to believe in STRONG DELUSIONS by performers of LYING WONDERS which identifies the "performance religious ceremonies with the hypocritic arts."

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Casting Bread 1 KINGS 10:1 Part One

December 14 2011, 8:58 AM 

While fighting over MUSIC in the School of Christ and refusing to FEED the little ones with the bread and water of the WORD evil people ENLIST to be "cast into the lake of fire." How much better to read and meditate on the REST OF THE STORY which is the Direct Command, approved example and ONLY inference for those who CAN grasp that Jesus died to give us REST from the laded burdens (arousal songs) burden laders (an extra tax NOT in time of war." So, believing that the duty is cast bread upon the waters with no expectation that the silver smiths CAN hear, here is some thoughts prompted by i Kings 10:12

But, if Solomon violated the DIRECT COMMANDS for the kings to whom God abandoned Israel, why not look as some free water of the word (Isaiah 55).

Deuteronomy 17:16 But he shall NOT multiply horses to himself,
....nor cause the people to return to Egypt, the end that he should multiply horses
....forasmuch as the LORD hath said unto you,
....Ye shall henceforth return no more that way.
Deuteronomy 17:17 Neither shall he multiply wives to himself,
....that his heart turn not away:
....neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold.
Deuteronomy 17:18 And it shall be, when he sitteth upon the throne of HIS kingdom, t
....hat he shall write him a copy of this law in a book
....out of that which is before the priests the Levites:
Deuteronomy 17:19 And it shall be with him, and he shall read therein all the days of his life:
....that he may learn to fear the LORD his God, keep all the words of this law and these statutes, to do them:
Deuteronomy 17:20 That his heart be not lifted up above his brethren,
....and that he turn not aside from the commandment, the right hand, or to the left: to the end that he may prolong
....his days in HIS kingdom, he, and his children, the midst of Israel.

There is no command for "musical instruments" or musicians in the Law of Moses. Therefore, Solomon violated all of the direct commandments including claiming that HE sat on GOD'S THRONE.

1Kings 10:26 And Solomon gathered together
....chariots and horsemen: a
....nd he had a thousand and four hundred chariots,
....and twelve thousand horsemen,
....whom he bestowed in the cities for chariots,
....and with the king at Jerusalem.


1 Kings 10:12: And the king made of the almug wood supports for the house of the LORD and for the kings house, also lyres and harps for the singers. No such almug wood has come or been seen to this day.

God promised David a TENT
But, Solomon built God a HOUSE
But, God does not live in houses built by human hands NOR is He worshipped by the works of human hands (Acts 7)
Solomon spent more time on shrines for his PAGAN wives than on God.

So ALL of the musical discords lift proof texts proving that they do not know nor care that their patternists violated God's direct commands.

Adam Clark and other notes on Amos:
As the trumpets were to be blown by the priests only, the sons of Aaron,
there were only two, because there were only two such persons to use them at this time, Eleazar and Ithamar.

In the time of Joshua there were seven trumpets used by the priests, but these were made, according to our text, of rams' horns, Josh. vi. 4.

In the time of Solomon, when the priests had greatly increased, there were 120 priests sounding with trumpets, 2 Chron. v. 12.

Solomon's wives brought ten thousand harps from Egypt."

Here Solomon CLAIMS that he saton the THRONE OF JEHOVAH:

1Chronicles 29:23 Then Solomon sat on the throne of the LORD king instead of David his father, and prospered;
....and all Israel obeyed him.
2Chronicles 9:8 Blessed be the LORD thy God,
....which delighted in thee to set thee on HIS throne, be king for the LORD thy God:
.... because thy God loved Israel, to establish them for ever,
....therefore made he THE king over them, to do judgment and justice

However the Spirit OF Christ spoke through the prophets to repudiate the Scribes and Pharisees.

Trust ye not in lying words, saying, The temple of the Lord, The temple of the Lord, The temple of the Lord, are these. Jeremiah 7:4

Jeremiah 8:8 How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us?
Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain.
Jeremiah 8:9 The wise men are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken:
lo, they have rejected the word of the LORD; and what wisdom is in them?

Cyril of Alexandria, Commentary on John,

That the Pharisees puffed up unto strange boasting,

were wont to pretend that the Divine Word was with them and in them,
and therefore foolishly affirmed that they had advanced to marvellous wisdom,
the Spirit Itself will testify, since Christ says by the Prophet Jeremiah unto them,
How do ye say, WE are wise, and the word of the Lord is with us?
For nought to the scribes became their lying pen;
the wise men were ashamed, were dismayed and taken;
what wisdom is in them? because they rejected the word of the Lord.

For how are they not taken rejecting the Living and Hypostatic Word of God, receiving not the faith to Him-ward, but dishonouring the Impress of God the Father, and refusing to behold His most true Form (so to say) through His God-befitting Authority and Power?

IF SATAN HAS THE CHURCH UNDER ATTACK AND AFFLICTION, HOW BETTERY CARRY IT OUT? My duty is not to think that most will hear it: that is why I obey the command and "Speak to MYSELF."

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Phil Starnes

David's Tent

December 15 2011, 10:40 AM 

"God promised David a TENT
But, Solomon built God a HOUSE"

Acts 15:13-18
When they had finished, James stood and said, Brothers, listen to me. 14 Peter[c] has told you about the time God first visited the Gentiles to take from them a people for himself. 15 And this conversion of Gentiles is exactly what the prophets predicted. As it is written:

16 Afterward I will return
and restore the fallen house of David.
I will rebuild its ruins
and restore it,
17 so that the rest of humanity might seek the Lord,
including the Gentiles
all those I have called to be mine.
The Lord has spoken
18 he who made these things known so long ago.

That is James, not Paul that qouted this.

Never the less, just what is the house, tent, booth, tabernacle of David that the Scripture says that God will restore?

If David was such "terrible" guy, why does God keep referring to him.

By the way, I just re-read Jeremiah, Isaiah, Ezekiel, and Daniel.
I thought, Well, Mr. Ken is so sure-of-himself about this, maybe I missed something when I had read these books before.
Anyway, I re-read them expressly looking for something about musical instruments or the idle worship at Mt. Sinai, or anything remotely involved.
In all the reasons given for the captivity of Israel and Judah, I could not find a single mention of playing musical instruments at any time as a reason for the captivity.
So, I looked at the post-exile books Ezra and Nehemiah. Still nothing.

So, Im still waiting on scripture references. But, Im not holding my breath.

I just don't think your world view matches the Scripture.

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HOLOCAUST awaits the musical soothsayers-sorcerers.

December 14 2011, 6:42 PM 

On Moriah, God PROVIDED the holocaust replacement in Jesus Christ. The New Testament is based on the Covenant made with Abraham so the burnt offerings were NOT commanded. If you say that they were then you blaspheme the Holy Spirit OF Christ:

Is. 1:10 Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.
....Rev. 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city,
....which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Is. 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD:
....I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts;
....and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.
Is. 1:12 When ye come to appear before me,
....who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?

Jer. 7:21 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel;
....Put your burnt offerings unto your sacrifices, and eat flesh.
Jer. 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt,
....concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

The Holocaust was related to Molech

Because of musical idolatry and because they had been worshiping the "burning" gods, there was a warning from the beginning. Nevertheless,

1Kings 11:7 Then did Solomon build an high place
....for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, the hill that is before Jerusalem,
....and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon.

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1Ki 11:8 And likewise did he for all his strange wives, which burnt ....incense and sacrificed unto their gods.
1Ki 11:9 And the LORD was angry with Solomon, because his heart was turned from the LORD God of Israel, which had appeared unto him twice,

1Ki 11:10 And had commanded him concerning this thing,
....that he should not go after other gods:
....but he kept not that which the LORD commanded.

The burnt offering to ISRAEL was probably added without command to replace the human sacrifice of burning infants.

H5930 ôlâh ôlâh o-law', o-law'Feminine active participle of H5927 ; a step or (collectively stairs, as ascending); usually a holocaust (as going up in smoke):ascent, burnt offering (sacrifice), go up to. See also H5766 .

H5766 evel âvel avlâh ôlâh ôlâh eh'-vel, aw'-vel, av-law', o-law', o-law' From H5765 ; (moral) evil:iniquity, perverseness, unjust (-ly), unrighteousness (-ly), wicked (-ness)

Greek: These are the two ideal types of Greek sacrificial ritual; they are appropriate to different divinities, done for different purposes, and conducted by different methods.
....Holocausts are apotropaic rituals, intended to appease the spirits of the Underworld,


Isaiah 28:15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:

Hebrew: A "whole offering" (Hebrew: olah), or "burnt offering", is a type of Biblical sacrifice, specifically an animal sacrifice in which the entire sacrifice is completely burnt, consumed totally by fire. The term "burnt offering" derives from the Septuagint translation, itself deriving from the Biblical phrase "an offering made by fire", which occurs in the description of the offering. This form of sacrifice, in which no meat was left over for anyone, was seen as the greatest form of sacrifice and was the form of sacrifice permitted by Judaism be given at the Temple by Jews and non-Jews.
....Modern Biblical scholars regard the Moloch offering, which involved human immolation, as being related to the whole offering.

The Jews worshipped Moloch in 2 Chronicles 28
Rick Atchley's PATTERNISM is in 2 Chronicles 29 as a substitute for infants
The worship of Molech resumes in 2 Chronicles 33

It is fitting that Christ in Isaiah 30 says this is a PATTERNISM. God will drive His enemies into "hell" using wind, string and percussion instruments the Jews practiced as they went in musical procession to burn infants in Jerusalem: Egypt, Sarah, Mount Sinai, Bondage, Mother of Harlots, Sodom.

As the musical prophesiers were SOOTHSAYERS with instrumental accompaniment, the musical performers in Revelation 18 (now) are SORCERERS with instrumental accompaniment. They too will be CAST ALIVE into the Lake of Fire. Liars, Liars, your butts on fire as you are consumed by your own breath (spirit.")

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Phil Starnes

Without Command???

December 15 2011, 10:55 AM 

"The burnt offering to ISRAEL was probably added without command to replace the human sacrifice of burning infants."

I assume that you have cut Leviticus out of your bible.

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ken sublett


December 15 2011, 7:08 PM 

CHRIST speaks through the Prophets and Apostles.

ALL of the Law of Moses was added because of transgression: musical idolatry.

1Corinthians 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1Corinthians 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1Corinthians 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink:
for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
1Corinthians 10:5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
1Corinthians 10:6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
1Corinthians 10:7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.

Acts 7:38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel [Christ] which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

Acts 7:41 And they made a calf in those days, and offered sacrifice unto the idol, and rejoiced in the works of their own hands.
Acts 7:42 Then God turned,
and gave them up to worship the HOST of heaven;
as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel,
have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness?
Acts 7:43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the STAR of your god Remphan,
figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.

The synagogue is defined in Numbers 10 for holding A Holy Convocation.

The Godly people attended the synagogue and NEVER participated in the sacrificial system which was identical to all NATIONAL religions because that is what God ABANDONED THEM TO.

The altar was to be at ONE PLACE ONLY and was to testify that the nations were united.

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Phil Starnes

Common Ground -- NOT

December 16 2011, 12:59 PM 

"ALL of the Law of Moses was added because of transgression: musical idolatry."

I assume that you include the 10 Commandments. How do you determine which parts of scripture you should follow. Oh, I know, if it is a command to play on instruments, its from Satan, not YHWH. You denigrate King David while God commends him.

Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

I think I'm finally beginning to understand. I was assuming that we had some common ground for discussion the Bible as the Word of God. Was I ever wrong.

It seems that your animus toward music in general and instruments specifically, has led you to declare large portions of the Bible irrelevant, at best, or Satanical, at worst. I was being facetious when I declared that the verses about musical instruments being the Christian version of Satanic Verses. I am now convinced that you actually believe that. You, evidently, think that you have the authority to pick and choose which verses of scripture are inspired.

It is truly amazing.

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Ken Sublett

Ten Commandments

December 16 2011, 6:10 PM 

Romans 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression

After the fall because of musical idolatry at Mount Sinai the original tablets were broken: they were never restated in the same sense but were adopted to help guard the Israelites against Canaanite Baalism

For if the inheritance be of THE LAW, is no more of promise: but
....God gave it to Abraham by promise. Gal 3:18

Wherefore then serveth THE LAW?
....It was added because of transgressions,
....till THE SEED should come to whom THE PROMISE was made;
....and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. Gal 3:19

Gal. 3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
Gal. 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid:
.... for if there had been a law given which could have given life,
....verily righteousness should have been by THE LAW
Gal. 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin
....that the promise by faith OF JESUS CHRIST might be given to them that believe.

The Law would PASS AWAY or be FULFILLED when all of the prophecies about Christ be fulfilled.

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Phil Starnes

10 Commandments

January 30 2012, 12:39 PM 

Like I said, "Unbelievable!"

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Donnie Cruz

Music and Dancing

January 30 2012, 7:41 PM 


We know about David, king of Israel. We also know of David as a very skilled musician. When you said that God commends him, I would like to know for what, and can you provide references? Is it due to the Scripture frequently alluding to Christ as the seed of David or the son of David or of the house and lineage of David? (What about Mary, the mother of Jesus and that lineage?)

So, David invented "instruments of music" (Amos 6:5)? And so chapters in the book of Psalms devoted to poetry concerning musical instruments? Let's not confuse "poetry" with "commandment" as there is not a single command in the entire Holy Scripture, including the Old Testament, that God has ever directed His followers to worship Him with man's musical inventions. NONE!!!!

It's funny how that the progressives have mixed feelings about "music and dancing." There are those that happily present the Psalm 150 poetry: "Praise him with the timbrel and DANCE." At the same time there are those who would like to think that Psalm 150 simply listed a number of musical instruments and the DANCE part to be ignored.

Fact is that music and dancing go hand in hand not only in the secular world or in social events. There was "music and dancing" that we read about in the prodigal son story (Luke 15:25). Even some churches have music and dancing in their gatherings.

So, what was so different and revealing about Exodus 32:19? "And it came to pass, as soon as he came nigh unto the camp, that he saw the calf, and the dancing: and Moses' anger waxed hot, and he cast the tables out of his hands, and brake them beneath the mount."

Oh, the word "dancing," is that it? When you carefully read the verse, idolatry was evident, including musical idolatry.

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