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Isaiah 58 and all the Prophets repudiate the instrumental aggitators

February 23 2012 at 3:43 PM
Ken Sublett 
from IP address 166.248.128.213

Isaiah 58 with the Latin text and "definitions" or the way the Bible text's words are used on the contemporaneous literature can be found with clickable links here.

Isaiah.58

http://www.piney.com/Isaiah.58.html

It is impossible that anyone who has ever read the Bible could say:
1. That God commanded instrumental praise for a Church of Christ when the Levites as Soothsayers with instruments burned the goats which Christ said God DID NOT COMMAND.

2. Or say that "there is nothing negative agaisnt instrumental noise in the School of Christ in the Bible or church history."

You must absolutely know that these people have an agenda which is not connected toChrist in the prophets or Jesus in the Apostles who left us a "memory" and warned that anyone who "further expounds" that is a false teacher.


People who intend to SOW DISCORD to make a place in normal society for Professional Religious Musicians claim

The Church of Christ is built (educated) upon the PROPHETS and APOSTLES and never the Kings, priests or Levites who performed as SOOTHSAYERS with instruments during NOT COMMANDED animal slaughter.

That God specificialy commanded "instrumental praise" and ALL use the Levites who performed as SORCERERS with instrumental noise to warn a Jew who did it that they would be executed if they came inside the walls when this WORSHIP OF THE STARRY HOST or DEMON worship was being carried out by the Civil-Military-Clergy complex who demanded that the POOR give them thousands of innocent animals to satisfy their blood and flesh lust.

IN FACT CHRIST DEFINED THE FUTURE DAY OF REST INCLUSIVELY AND EXCLUSIVELY: "DOCTORS OF THE LAW" AND SCRIBES AND PHARISEES (SPEAKERS, SINGERS, MUSICIANS EZ 33) KNOW THAT THEY ARE WORKING TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT YOU DO NOT HEAR THE WORD OF GOD AS GOD DELIVERED IT.

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb,
as if he cut off a dogs neck;
he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swines blood;
he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol.
Yea, they have chosen their own ways,
and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

That is the Command Example Inference: you get no choice

H8586 talûl tah-al-ool' From H5953 ; caprice (as a fit coming on), that is, vexation; concretely a tyrant:babe, delusion Alal (h5953) glean, mock,

Illdo 1. To scoff or mock at, to make a laughing-stock of, to ridicule,
ipsa praecepta (rhetorum), Cic. de Or. 1, 19, 87:
voces Neronis, quoties caneret, Tac. A. 14, 52Plane
plnus , i, m., = planos, I. a juggler, impostor, cheat (class.; cf. erro): ille planus improbissimus, Cic. Clu. 26, 72: fracto crure planum attollere

cno , ccni, cantum (ancient I. [select] imp. cante = canite,
2. Of the faulty delivery of an orator, to speak in a sing-song tone: inclinat ululantique voce more Asiatico canere,
C. Transf., of the instruments by which, or (poet.) of the places in which, the sounds are produced, to sound, resound: canentes tibiae, Cic. N. D. 2, 8, 22: maestae cecinere tubae, Prop. 4 (5), 11, 9.
C. Since the responses of oracles were given in verse, to prophesy, foretell, predict.

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Brian Cade

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Re: How preachers DELIBERATELY repudiate Christ about the church

February 23 2012, 4:00 PM 

Again you fail to show the chain of reasoning here. You make up a bunch of wild stuff, throw quotes at it and expect be taken seriously. Where is the chain of thinking? I submit there is none.

 
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Ken Sublett

166.248.65.250

Re: How preachers DELIBERATELY repudiate Christ about the church

February 23 2012, 6:56 PM 

Since I don't get to make up definitions or the ways a word is used in Greek, Latin or Hebrew the best I can do is just "quote." That way I don't add my opinions.

Most people missed Isaiah on their way to get a phd so maybe you don't recognize it:

Isaiah 58: 4 Behold, ye fast for strife and debate, and to smite with the fist of wickedness: ye shall not fast as ye do this day, to make your voice to be heard on high.
Latin [4] ecce ad lites et contentiones ieiunatis et percutitis pugno impie nolite ieiunare sicut usque ad hanc diem ut audiatur in excelso clamor vester

You may want to define for us fast, strife, debate, smite, SO THAT you can make God hear you?

 
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Brian Cade

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Re: How preachers DELIBERATELY repudiate Christ about the church

February 24 2012, 12:38 AM 

Problem is, Isaiah 58 has nothing to do with music. Examine the context in which the prophecy was uttered. You misuse the scripture otherwise and consequently, teach error.

 
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Ken Sublett

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Part B

February 24 2012, 10:34 AM 

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Ken Sublett

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Christ's Promise of REST In Isaiah Part C

February 24 2012, 10:45 AM 

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Ken Sublett

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Part D

February 29 2012, 2:17 PM 

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Anonymous

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Re: Part D

March 1 2012, 1:25 PM 

Copy, paste, copy, paste...the fish are calling and the rainbow trout are singing your name...

 
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Ken Sublett

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Dear Annie Mouse

March 1 2012, 2:37 PM 

If you knew how stupid and insulting the "cut n paste" whine is you would keep on doing it.

 
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Anonymous

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Re: Dear Annie Mouse

March 2 2012, 12:58 PM 

If you knew how ridiculous you sounded, you would hang your head in shame and beg God's forgiveness for being such a poor representative.

 
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ken sublett

166.248.71.82

Christ in Isaiah 58 Part E

March 2 2012, 1:46 PM 

I have added clickable links for any elder who is not more APT to chase a coon than APT to "teach that which has been taught.

Thus saith The Spirit OF (Preposition) Christ: Sabbath or REST is the Greek PAUO.

Isa 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour him,

not doing thine own ways,
nor finding thine own pleasure,
nor speaking thine own words:


http://www.piney.com/Isaiah.58.html


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Anonymous

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Re: Christ in Isaiah 58 Part E

March 2 2012, 4:23 PM 

This is pertinent to nothing whatsoever.

 
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Anonymous

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Re: Christ in Isaiah 58 Part E

March 3 2012, 4:53 PM 

Might I suggest a number 4 J-hook baited with Velveeta cheese? The trout can't resist it.

 
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Ken Sublett

166.248.68.223

Isaiah 58 Laded Burden Part F

March 6 2012, 10:16 AM 

Too bad but Isaiah is Christ's "patternism" for His future REST both inclusively and exclusively. Isaiah 50 outlaws any of the musical mocking prophesied of Jesus:

http://www.piney.com/Isaiah.50.Smitten.Plucked.html

ALL of the musical PLUCKING terms point directly to the smiting or crucifixion

Isaiah 55 commands you NOT to pay for the FREE WATER OF THE WORD. Christ always identifies HIS Spirit with HIS Words.

http://www.piney.com/Isaiah.55.Word.Spirit.html

Isaiah 58 has Christ OUTLAWING seeking your own pleasure or SPEAKING your own words.
All of the instrumental bandits INSIST that a vision or a spirit or someone gave them permission to Speak Beyond the Sacred Pages. CENI is used to MOCK the idea that Jesus wast telling the truth when He commanded that we teach and observe WHAT HE COMMANDED to be taught. Peter makes that the PROPHETS (by christ 1 Pet 1:11) and the prophecies made more certain by Jesus, witnessed by the Apostles and left for OUR MEMORY: anyone who does private interpret (further expound) is a false teacher. Part F defines what Christ LIBERATED us from.

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If it hurts refusing to obey is PROOF of strong delusions: lying wonders are all of the performing arts and crafts called HYPOCRITES (Jesus) and SORCERERS (John).


 
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Anonymous

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Re: Isaiah 58 Laded Burden Part F

March 6 2012, 12:29 PM 

You using bait or lures?

 
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Anonymous

66.230.80.82

Re: Isaiah 58 Laded Burden Part F

March 6 2012, 12:29 PM 

You using bait or lures?

 
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Anonymous

66.230.80.82

Re: Isaiah 58 Laded Burden Part F

March 6 2012, 12:30 PM 

You using bait or lures?

 
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Ken Sublett

166.248.65.216

This guy is an Elder.

March 6 2012, 3:30 PM 

Why do you think that all of the instrumental bandits get so angry when you quote the absolute INCLUSIVE and EXCLUSIVE pattern for the Church of Christ (as defined as the Qahal, synagogue) in the wilderness and changed only when Christ destroyed the National or Babylonian worship and became King and High Priest over His Temple which resides in the heart or spirit of mankind?

No one could have accidentially missed that without being crippled by theology as "doctors of the Law."

Aphrahat 4th century who introduced singing as an ACT

http://www.piney.com/FathAphrahatDemon.html#Now

19. Now thus is faith; when a man believes in God the Lord of all, Who made the heavens and the earth and the seas and all that is in them; and He made Adam in His image; and He gave the Law to Moses; He sent of His Spirit upon the prophets; He sent moreover His Christ into the world.

Furthermore that a man should believe in the resurrection of the dead; and should furthermore also believe in the sacrament of baptism.

This is the faith of the Church of God. And (it is necessary) that a man should separate himself from the observance of hours and Sabbaths and moons and seasons, and divinations and sorceries and Chaldaean arts and magic, from fornication and from festive music, from vain doctrines, which are instruments of the Evil One, from the blandishment of honeyed words, from blasphemy and from adultery.

And that a man should not bear false witness, and that a man should not speak with double tongue. These then are the works of the faith which is based on the true Stone which is Christ, on Whom the whole building is reared up.

§20. Furthermore, my beloved, there is much besides in the Holy Books about faith. But these few things out of the much have I written to recall them to thy love that thou mayest know and make known and believe" and also be believed.

And when thou hast read and learned the works of faith, thou mayest be made like unto that tilled land upon which the good seed fell, and produced fruit a hundred-fold and sixty-fold and thirty-fold. And when thou comest to thy Lord, He may call thee a good servant and prudent and faithful, who on account of His faith, that abounded, is to enter into the Kingdom of his Lord.



 
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Anonymous

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Re: This guy is an Elder.

March 6 2012, 4:31 PM 

So now you have to go outside the Bible to support your contention that Isaiah forbad the use of musical instruments in worship? Your argument smacks of desperation and determination to win at any and all costs.

 
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Ken Sublett

166.248.65.216

Re: This guy is an Elder.

March 6 2012, 5:07 PM 

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