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Review of Concerned Members

May 22 2012 at 8:32 PM
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Concerned Members is a gathering place for complainers who feel that changes in their favorite version of "church" are tantamount to apostasy. Unfortunately, the seemingly primary characters here do nothing to mentor them in the faith, but rather fuel and encourage continued complaining, spreading discord, and embarrassing the faith.

It is a rather childish place and makes the operators (to my mind) seem considerably immature and well, stupid. There is little original thought demonstrated and non sequiturs abound. Even those who have published a book or two seemingly suffer from overly narrow thinking and defensiveness.

It really is a waste of time.

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Donnie Cruz

Re: Review of Concerned Members

May 22 2012, 11:52 PM 


ConcernedMembers came into existence when the transformation of some of the mega churches of Christ was in progress.

The former Oak Hills Church of Christ [thanks to the leadership of its elders and "Reverend Pastor" Max Lucado], in completely transforming into a Community Church, found it necessary to drop the name "of Christ."

Richland Hills Church of Christ, not long after, implemented instrumental music in the assembly; it too had to change its name.

Madison Church of Christ, "almost" [methinks] became a Community Church. Perhaps, it too might eventually incorporate instrumental music into one of its assemblies [let's hope not].

And who are the real complainers? Not just that -- but they who distract, destroy, divide, acquire once-peaceful congregations?

  • The change agents believe that the church of Christ Jesus is a denomination;
  • The change agents believe that Christ's church should engage in instrumental music;
  • The change agents believe in open fellowship with other religious bodies;
  • The change agents teach that women should have a leading role in the church;
  • The change agents downplay the office of the deacon -- that women can serve as deaconesses;
  • The change agents teach that the church is not the kingdom;
  • The change agents teach that the New Testament church needs to be restructured;
  • The change agents teach that New Testament Christianity is irrelevant;
  • The change agents teach that silence of the Scripture is not prohibitive;
  • The change agents teach that salvation is by faith and baptism is not essential for the forgiveness of sins;
  • The change agents are greatly enamored by radical youth workshops;
  • The change agents teach that teaching obedience and commandments is legalism;
  • The change agents teach that using deductions based on Scripture cannot establish truth;
  • The change agents teach that restoration of the church is not finished;
  • The change agents teach the advocacy of the Holy Spirit empowering us in sensational ways apart from the Word of God;
  • The change agents teach that worship is to be changed to be more emotional in the Pentecostal denominational style;
  • The change agents are gashing the church and finding little good about it and in contrast being complimentary of other religious groups;
  • The change agents teach that pattern theology is an abomination;
  • ... ... ... ...
And who are the complainers?

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Donnie Cruz

Re: Review of Concerned Members

May 23 2012, 11:47 PM 

The thread "Review of Concerned Members" [as well as the continuation of its discussion] has been moved to the ConcernedMembers' Madison Church of Christ forum.

ConcernedMembers: at Madison

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