They named a service road running adjacent to 280 from Roseville Avenue to First Street Gould Place. What is the significance of that name? I bet we can think of a lot better names than that. It runs right through the old Crowley residence on 4th Street.
It seems to me (might be wrong of course)that I recall a short block called "Gould Place" back in the old days -- perhaps they just extended the block and the name into the service road. If this assumption is correct, it was probably named after a long forgotten 19th century area resident, like Bathgate Place.
Did you forget Gould Ave? On the map they look like they almost connect. Did they at one time? Are they named after Jay Gould of the Erie Railroad and 19th century "Robber Baron" fame?
An old map of Newark shows a Gould Avenue in East Orange that continued into Newark and ended at Warren Street (Warren Street was later renamed W. Market Street). See map below:
Oddly enough, these days that stretch of Gould Avenue is also called Sussex Avenue, which I discovered one day as I got off the Parkway at 145 in E.O. and headed north on Grove Street. When I zoomed in on the Map Quest image below, only the "Gould Avenue" showed, but believe me, it's also labeled "Sussex Avenue." Anyway, the modern map shows Gould Place between Orange and Sussex. I agree that it was so named after someone drew a straight line on the post-280 map and reckoned that new street was a continuation of Gould Avenue.
By the way, Gould Place manages to go through two of my boyhood homes: 136 N. 4th Street and 124 N. Second.
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I had a Fathers Club meeting at my school last night and was driving home basketball player Tyrone Barley to his S.9th Street home, when I saw this strange street sign. We need to have it renamed.
Big Al Avenue.
John, look again at Mapquest and zoom west into East Orange and you will see that Gould Ave becomes Sussex at the Newark/ East Orange line.
It is to hard to figure why streets are named the way they are. In my town, Hillsborough, N.J., there is a Amwell Rd, a New Amwell Rd, and a Amwell Rd Bye-Pass right next to each other and two Rivers Roads at opposite ends of town!
What exactly was the School Safety Patrol, when were they active, and where did they patrol? I have a vague memory of older male students with shiny metal badges that were worn strapped to their upper arms. Is that real or a figment of my imagination? And I also seem to remember Patrol Boys posted on the landings of the school as we clomped downstairs. But I have no recollection of ever encountering Patrol Boys on my walk home to Grove Place in East Orange.
Barbara, in the 40's Roseville ave School had both patrol boys and girls. The boys acted as crossing guards in the streets around the school and the girls were posted in the hallways and stairwells inside the school. My brother and I were both on the patrol, but I got fired for being too bossy.
Barbara, The patrol Girls were posted in the school at each landing, and thier job was to see to the safety of the students going up and down the stairs. The patrol boys were posted on the street corners around the school, it was our job to make sure that students crossed at the corner, and at our direction. (like a crossing Guard) Quite a responsibility for a kid. If a student disobeyed the rules or didn't follow our direction when they were crossing the street, we had the power to go into thier classroom and take them to Sister Grace's office for discipline. Nobody wanted to be "pulled in". (Sister Grace's Spanking Machine) We wore a steel badge that was strapped to our upper arm. When we were off duty we put the badge in our back pocket and let the strap hang out. This, to most, was a mark of prestige.
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Boys were on the Safety Patrol and were posted at strategic corners, even as far as 9th St. and 6th Ave. After the last students of the morning arrived, we would call to the next street down and wave our arms to signal to gather up at Orange St. and Bathgate Place, next to Uncle Sam's, in formation and kind of 'march' into school.
On Mondays, when school let out, we had to make sure the younger students got away safely before we headed back to the church for Novenas. Strangely enough, many of us seemed to forget to return.
We did have badges, and as Georgie Smith says, we would put them in our pockets and let the strap hang out. The badges were actually issued by the Newark Police Department.
I was the "Chief" of the Safety Patrol in 1956-57, and at graduation was awarded a certificate which I still have.
My first assigned corner, when I was on St.Rose's School Safety Patrol in 1954, was South 11th Street and Gould Avenue.
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If I remember correctly Gould Avenue ran Next to Sussex Avenue and then into East Orange up to the Blood Bank(Ballentine Memorial). Prior to the building of Rt. 280 the houses and other buildings were torn down. One of those was the Roseville Baptist Church, which had as it's Pastor Rev. Bleakley, who was the Newark Fire Department Chaplain. They used his church as a fire operation with a fire set inside. I was a member of the Roseville First Aid Squad at the time. When they change Gould Avenue in East Orange to Sussex Avenue I don't know. Maybe when the highway was done in 1972 and Sussex Avenue was re-alined to take the place of Gould Avenue.
If I remember correctly, Ted Collins,a professional magician operated a magic shop in the front of his residence,I think he lived on Gould Place. I remember the display case and him showing us how the tricks worked. Ted entertained Cub Scout Pack 66 at the Roseville Presbyterian Church and was terrific.
many moons later when I was booking a magic act to entertain at one of our Little League banquets I spoke to his son,(also a magician) When I was advised that Ted Collins was still performing, I booked him and He was fabulous. He had a great rapport with young people and the laughter and surprise in that audience that night illustrated the fact that he hadn't lost his magic. He graciously posed for a picture with my wife and I count it as one of favorite memories captured on film.
P.S. We also always booked a Major League Baseball player or I would have been strung up.
Jay Gould's estate was in Lakewood, New Jersey,Now Georgian Court College. With magnificent architectural as well as historic interest.
