I think you misunderstandSeptember 25 2010 at 11:52 PM
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Jay (Login BrotherJ)
Response to Re: Play on words Dave
I simply meant..He could not be God and die as God to be the sin offering...you can deal with it however you need to He did not die as God!
But I see why and how you took it wrong...my mistake OK?
Philippians 2:6-8 (NCV)
Christ himself was like God in everything. But he did not think that being equal with God was something to be used for his own benefit.
But he gave up his place with God and made himself nothing. He was born to be a man and became like a servant.
And when he was living as a man, he humbled himself and was fully obedient to God, even when that caused his deathdeath on a cross.
Greek: kenoo (GSN-), to empty out, drain. It is translated "make void" (Rom. 4:14; 1Cor. 9:15); "make of none effect" (1Cor. 1:17); "be in vain" (2Cor. 9:3); and "make of no reputation" (i.e., He emptied Himself; Php. 2:7).
Christ emptied Himself of:
1. Equality with God (Php. 2:6-7; Jn. 14:28; 1Cor. 11:3)
2. God-form or God-body, the spirit body that He lived in from eternity, to take human-form (Php. 2:6-8; 3:21; Mt. 1:18-25; Lk. 1:35; Jn. 1:14; Lk. 24:37-40; Zech. 13:6; Gal. 4:4; Rom. 8:3)
3. Immortality of body (1Cor. 15:3; Ps. 16:10; 1Pet. 2:24; 3:18)
4. The glory that He had with the Father before the world was (Jn. 12:23; 17:5; Mt. 16:27; Php. 2:5-11)
5. His authority in heaven and in earth, which was given back to Him after the resurrection (Mt. 28:18; Php. 2:9-11; Eph. 1:20-23; 1Pet. 3:22)
6. His divine attributes and outward powers that He had with the Father from eternity. He had no power to do miracles until He received the Holy Spirit in all fullness (Jn. 2:11; 3:34; Isa. 11:1-2; 42:1-7; 61:1-2; Lk. 3:21-22; 4:16-21; Mt. 12:28; Acts 10:38). He could do nothing of Himself in all His earthly life. He attributed all His works, doctrines, powers, etc. to the Father through the anointing of the Holy Spirit (note, Jn. 8:28). This is proved by the following facts in Scripture:
(1) He was limited to the status of a man (Php. 2:6-8; Heb. 2:14-18; 5:8-9).
(2) He was God's agent using God's power of attorney (note, Jn. 8:28; Acts 10:38).
(3) He was our example that we should walk in His steps (1Pet. 2:21).
(4) The temptations prove that He was limited as a man so that He could overcome as a man and not as God (Heb. 4:14-16; 5:7-9).
(5) Isaiah (Isa. 7:14-16) speaks of the Messiah being born without knowledge enough to know to refuse the evil and choose the good.
(6) Isaiah (Isa. 11:2; 53:1-12) speaks of the Messiah being limited as an ordinary baby, showing that God would give Him the spirit of wisdom, understanding, counsel, might, knowledge, and fear of the Lord. If He had these attributes as God from all eternity and did not lay them aside in becoming man when was this ever true of Him?
(7) Isaiah (Isa. 50:4-11) predicted that the Messiah would be born without the tongue of the learned, without knowing how to speak a word in season to help any soul, and that He would be wakened day by day to increase in knowledge and wisdom.
(8) Isaiah (Isa. 42:1-7; 61:1-2) speaks of Messiah receiving His power to manifest divine acts by the anointing of the Holy Spirit and not by retaining His own former natural attributes and powers. Is it necessary for God to be anointed with the Holy Spirit to do what He is naturally capable of doing? If it became necessary to anoint Jesus during His earthly life, then it proves He did not retain His former glory and attributes which He had from all eternity when He emptied Himself to become like men in all things (Php. 2:6-8; Heb. 2:14-18; 5:8-9).
(9) History records that Christ was limited as a baby and grew in body, soul, and spirit (mind, 1Cor. 2:11), grace, wisdom, stature, and favor with God and man (Lk. 2:40,52). Even after His manhood, His full anointing and gifts of the Spirit, He was still limited in knowledge (Mk. 13:32). He even learned obedience by the things He suffered (Heb. 4:14-16; 5:7-9).
(10) He did not claim the attributes of God, but only the anointing of the Spirit to do His works (note, Jn. 8:28; Mt. 12:28; Lk. 4:16-21). Others stated this was the source of His power (Jn. 3:34; Acts 10:38). Most scriptures used in theological texts proving that Christ had divine attributes on earth are statements true of Him since His glory has been restored and do not prove anything during His life on earth. All scriptures related to His earthly life can be explained as referring to the exercise of the gifts of the Spirit and not natural attributes.
(11) The fact that Christ promised all believers power to do the works He did proves that it was through the anointing of the Spirit, not by His deity and natural attributes, that He did His works (Mt. 10:1-20; 16:18; 18:18; Lk. 10; 24:49; Mk. 16:15-20; Jn. 14:12-15; Acts 1:4-8).
(12) His exaltation to original glory and the highest place under God the Father is proof of His lowest humiliation and earthly limitation short of being God by nature (Php. 2:9-11; Eph. 1:20-23; Col. 1:15-23; Col. 1:15-23; 1Pet. 3:22). dasb
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