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HILLCREST CHURCH OF CHRIST,ABILENE,TX.,USA

January 29 2002 at 7:46 PM
Kevin Hamm  (no login)
from IP address 65.80.180.107

I am a member at Hillcrest Church of Christ in Abilene, TX. We have been experiencing similar problems in our church that Madison Church of Christ has.

I have read everything I can get my hands on about the Church Growth Movement including your website and links.

In an attempt to reconcile differences in our church, the elders requested that everyone sign up for a meeting on Wednesday night (these meetings were
spread over several weeks in order to keep the groups small). The idea was to have a representation from each class at each meeting. Two elders would be present in each meeting and they would have one moderator. The only stipulation put on the meeting is that it has to be "positive".

Did you experience anything like this at Madison? I know the moderator in our meeting and I don't think it is an attempt at the Delphi Technique.

How can I get my points across about the error of the changes without getting negative? Do you have any ideas? Our meeting is tomorrow night, Wed Jan 23, 2002.

Any ideas would be appreciated.

Thank you in advance.

Kevin Hamm

 
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Kevin HammJan 29, 2002, 8:17 PM
  Re: The TimeLine - What Happened This Week
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Glyn HodgesFeb 25, 2002, 4:06 PM
   Get your head out of the sand
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  Same story all over the country.
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   You have a better perspective...
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Kevin HammMar 28, 2002, 5:46 PM
   Preacher from Texas?
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   What took You so long
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Robert DorlingJun 29, 2008, 6:52 PM
  Educated guesses?
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Greg UtterSep 3, 2002, 12:46 PM
   The Best I Could Do Under the Circumstances
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Kevin HammSep 13, 2002, 2:56 PM
    I'm praying for you Kevin
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James HallDec 10, 2002, 10:35 PM
     Always Makes Me A Little Nervous
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ConcernedMembersDec 11, 2002, 9:23 PM
      No dust under my feet
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Kevin HammDec 15, 2002, 4:28 PM
      nervous
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Bible believerDec 6, 2004, 4:52 PM
       No Comparison
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Kevin HammFeb 22, 2005, 6:11 PM
     Know that I have been praying for you for over a year
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Kevin HammDec 12, 2002, 3:05 AM
     It appears James Hall is not on staff
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Kevin HammDec 13, 2002, 1:23 AM
      Correction: James Hall is a youth intern
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     Judgement Call
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      Na Na Na
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       Re: Na Na Na
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        Re: Re: Na Na Na
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     Christian Pornography
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      HeHeHe AND NaNaNa
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       nanana back at you
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heheheDec 31, 2002, 6:54 PM
        Re: nanana back at you
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Kevin HammJan 2, 2003, 12:28 AM
         Get Real
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          interesting take......
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Brent BellApr 2, 2003, 6:03 PM
           Growth is only through God?
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Gary ColeMar 21, 2005, 9:44 PM
   Re: Educated guesses?
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CathyNov 15, 2002, 12:15 AM
    ...just so you know...
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BrentOct 30, 2003, 4:28 PM
     Brent, that is my concern
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Kevin HammNov 2, 2003, 5:31 PM
      ...well.....
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BrentNov 3, 2003, 11:49 AM
       Brent, some clarification is in order
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Kevin HammNov 4, 2003, 1:15 AM
   Thanks for sharing.
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  Poor dear brother - Leave!
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   Very good
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  Meeting Jan. 23
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Kevin HammOct 28, 2002, 6:49 PM
   Kevin. Have you ever heard the gospel of Jesus?
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Paul HaleyApr 4, 2003, 11:36 PM
    interesting response, let me just say this...
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Brent BellApr 8, 2003, 1:04 PM
     Hmm... let me ponder a while
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Paul HaleyApr 9, 2003, 6:01 PM
      Brent...Common ground?
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Paul HaleyApr 12, 2003, 8:35 AM
       ....interesting..and I will respond...
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Brent BellApr 21, 2003, 3:26 PM
    Nothing New, Paul
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Kevin HammMay 3, 2003, 11:06 AM
     One question...and a few references
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Paul HaleyMay 7, 2003, 3:41 PM
      good examples...but lets look closer...
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Brent BellJul 7, 2003, 12:09 PM
       good examples...agreed
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Chuck SonnJul 12, 2003, 7:44 PM
       question
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Paul HaleyJul 13, 2003, 11:10 PM
        Sorry about the delay...
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Brent BellSep 15, 2003, 5:39 PM
         Spirit of truth
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Paul HaleySep 29, 2003, 4:24 PM
          so are you saying....
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BrentOct 7, 2003, 3:38 PM
           How did you hear that?
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PaulOct 8, 2003, 7:44 PM
            Re: How did you hear that?
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Mark WaggonerOct 9, 2003, 11:55 AM
             Re: Re: How did you hear that?
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PaulOct 10, 2003, 6:19 PM
              Let me be more specific
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PaulOct 12, 2003, 11:01 PM
               Re: Let me be more specific
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Mark WaggonerOct 15, 2003, 8:45 AM
                Divine Power
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PaulOct 20, 2003, 11:28 PM
                 Concerning Miracles
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Kevin HammOct 22, 2003, 11:59 PM
                 Re: Divine Power
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Mark WaggonerOct 23, 2003, 11:39 AM
                 Concerning "Logos" and "Rhema"
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Kevin HammOct 23, 2003, 1:32 PM
                  Is this what you meant about "rhema" and "logos"?
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Kevin HammOct 26, 2003, 12:24 AM
                   Re: Is this what you meant about &quote;rhema&quote; and &quote;logos&quote;?
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PaulOct 27, 2003, 6:26 PM
                    Re: Re: Is this what you meant about rhema and logos?
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Kevin HammOct 28, 2003, 11:48 PM
                     What has happend to this site??
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tomOct 29, 2003, 9:04 AM
                 The complete verse of 2 Peter 1:3 for the record
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Kevin HammOct 25, 2003, 10:32 PM
                 Concerning "that which is perfect"
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Kevin HammOct 26, 2003, 1:24 AM
            I think I see our difference....
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Brent BellOct 21, 2003, 10:51 AM
             Re: I think I see our difference....
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PaulOct 22, 2003, 10:40 PM
              ...so you ARE saying.....
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Brent BellOct 23, 2003, 12:36 PM
               Brent, Kevin and Mark
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PaulOct 23, 2003, 11:10 PM
                Re: Brent, Kevin and Mark
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Kevin HammOct 25, 2003, 10:29 PM
                 Timothy and Trophimus
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PaulOct 27, 2003, 6:19 PM
                  can i just suggest....
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BrentOct 29, 2003, 4:21 PM
                   Re: Brent's suggestion
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Kevin HammOct 30, 2003, 1:41 PM
                   Brent, Kevin & Mark, HEAR YE, HEAR YE
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PaulNov 13, 2003, 8:49 AM
                    RE: Hear Ye, Hear Ye
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Kevin HammNov 15, 2003, 12:24 PM
                     Re: RE: Hear Ye, Hear Ye
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PaulNov 15, 2003, 4:52 PM
                      ....I might just buy that.....
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AnonymousNov 17, 2003, 2:56 PM
                       Re: ....I might just buy that.....
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PaulNov 18, 2003, 3:10 PM
                        ..to clearify...
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BrentNov 20, 2003, 1:27 PM
                      One more Hear Ye, Hear Ye
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Kevin HammNov 17, 2003, 11:58 PM
                       Re: One more Hear Ye, Hear Ye
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PaulNov 18, 2003, 3:27 PM
                        Picking and Choosing
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Kevin HammDec 4, 2003, 4:21 PM
                         Let's go visit Rick Perry
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PaulDec 4, 2003, 6:06 PM
                          Let's not
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Kevin HammDec 4, 2003, 6:35 PM
                           Picking and choosing
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PaulDec 5, 2003, 9:20 AM
                           figure of speech
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PaulDec 7, 2003, 3:19 PM
                            Hello, anybody out there?
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PaulJan 11, 2004, 4:18 PM
                             Here's to knowing Him
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PaulJan 31, 2004, 10:28 PM
      Response to references
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Kevin HammOct 23, 2003, 10:59 PM
       Re: Response to references
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PaulOct 23, 2003, 11:30 PM
        Re: Response to Response to references
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Kevin HammOct 25, 2003, 10:06 PM
         Word gymnastics
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PaulOct 26, 2003, 4:30 PM
         Re: Re: Response to Response to references
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Mark WaggonerOct 27, 2003, 8:37 AM
          the map
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PaulOct 27, 2003, 6:36 PM
           Re: the map
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Mark WaggonerOct 28, 2003, 9:22 AM
          the perfection
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PaulNov 11, 2003, 6:22 PM
           Re: the perfection
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Mark WaggonerNov 17, 2003, 9:59 AM
            Re: Re: the perfection
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PaulNov 22, 2003, 8:07 AM
             Re: Re: Re: the perfection
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Mark WaggonerDec 1, 2003, 1:09 PM
              eyes that see
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PaulDec 4, 2003, 8:37 AM
               Ears that Hear
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Mark WaggonerDec 10, 2003, 8:50 AM
        quick question...
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BrentOct 30, 2003, 4:10 PM
         Re: quick question...
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PaulNov 9, 2003, 5:27 PM
          ...opps!...
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brentNov 11, 2003, 2:04 PM
           Re: ...opps!...
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PaulNov 11, 2003, 6:11 PM
            ..I'll agree...too a degree...
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BrentDec 1, 2003, 5:52 PM
       Re: Response to references
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PaulOct 28, 2003, 3:44 PM
        Re: Re: Response to references
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PaulOct 31, 2003, 6:38 PM
  Re: The TimeLine - What Happened This Week
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   Ken Young Information
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 Sorry
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 Sorry
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 Is it Seminary or Cemetery
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  Re: Is God's love conditional?
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a concerned reader at ACU.EDUMar 12, 2002, 11:44 AM
   Who are you?
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    I don't buy it...
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 question
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There are thousands of churches being taken over across America.

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Some never will know! This book is for them as well.

Madison Church of Christ was a 60 year old church. At one time it was one of the largest churches in the US, and the largest Church of Christ.

It thrived for many years on the vision of it's elders and those of it's ministers. Those visions undoubtably came from the the inspired word of Jesus Christ.

At sometime in the last 10 years there was a deliberate plan by a majority of the elders to take the Madison Church of Christ into a more worldly realm.

They used secrecy, covert planning, and outside sources to scheme and to change the format and direction of the Madison Church of Christ.

The Elders knew that the membership would never approve such a plan. Using the tools of the "Community Church Movement"(consultants, books, seminars, meetings,planters,seeders) they slowly started initiating change so it was never noticed by the members until it was too late.....

At the heart of the plan was the fact that old members were going to be driven off so new techniques could be used to go out and reach the unchurched through new "Contemporary Holy Entertainment" methods developed by the "Community Church Movement"

Old members had to be kept on board long enough to get their plans ready, or the funds would not be there to pay for the new building. So by the plans very nature, it had to be secret.

The church had no plan in effect to renew or approve elders. There was never any need. The elders had always been "as approved by God". 10 of the last 15 elders would begin to shed some doubt on that.

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Here is the list of players;

5 Godly Elders
10 Not so Godly Elders
120 "Deacons" (allegiance unknown)
2,800 - 4,000 church "members"
2 "teners" (people who have publicly confessed to have broken all ten commandments)
Unknown number of "sinners" (This is what the 10 elders call us.)
Unknown number of "demons" (Flying everywhere, to many to count)
 

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