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    • Brent
      Posted Nov 3, 2003 11:49 AM

      Kevin,
      I am sadden once again at the shallow dogmatic and unchristian at bretheren who would leave a congregation over a scriptureal non-issue such as singing during cummunion. Why can't people stay and defend their position if it's so right! These are the bretheren who are the reason the church is sliding towards liberalism. If you boldly proclaim the truth the "charisma-crowd" can't defeat you. If you pull the little 2 yr old style tantrum and "take my gtoys and go home!", you have given them the victory they nevr had to fight for! This is espeasically true when you leave over something you can't even defend with scripture! Tradition is important. Tradition has it's purpose. Tradition is NOT the gospel.
      I agree with you that it would be good for people to visit other congregation occqasionally to see what is going on there. We might have less gossip and more real impact. Too many people are complaining about things they have heard second hand, and too few are upset about things they are unaware of. I am pleased that every Elder we placed this time has been willing to look at scripture when I have had a question....you know that was not always the case! I think maybe your concern about the "repairs" may be premature. Quickly, shallow judgement got us into this mess, so I think it is extremely appropriate that the leadership take a slow,deliberate, carefully considered approach to the fix. Trying to take the time to work with Chris to come to an acceptable position was just what the scripture tells us to do with a brother we think is in error. That he was the preacher makes this doubly important. When they had exhausted all possiblity of repair, they let him go in a loving manner---preventing what could have been an extremely ugly situation. Getting rid of the banners would be fine with me, but it's not going to keep anyone from heaven any more than it brought anyone in. As I have stated before, the powerpopint doesn't bother me, it was the way it was presented that bothered me.(fyi..i've seen several studies saying it has either a positive or, at worst, nuetral effect on learning, and several elderly members have since old me that it is good to be able to see the words again---song books were toheavy for them and too small a print). Should it go? Let's make sure we are not throwing out the baby with the bath water. Plastic communion cups, sunday school, and even songbooks were new tools at some point!
      The clapping can be annoying to me too, but I can't seem to find a scripture against it. Just like the "lemming-style" standing during 'You are Beautiful' I simply do not join in. Th problem really isn't these actions---it is when you a forced to take part in them that they truely become falsse doctrine. When I am told I am not "spiritual enough" because I do not clap...THEN I have a problem. Only when we have scriptural justification for our complaint should we begin to confront those issues.

      Just my opinion,
      Brent

      p.s. I'm glad to report that MANY people have noticed, and appreciated, the return to the use of scripture from the pulpit!
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