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  • Brent, Kevin & Mark, HEAR YE, HEAR YE

    • Posted Nov 13, 2003 8:49 AM

      I have enjoyed this conversation. My posts from this point forward may be few and far between due to us no longer having internet service at home and also it seems that we are not changing each other's mind. However I feel compelled to take another jab at trying to persuade you to look at things from a slightly different angle. To this point I have mostly attempted to show flaws in certain conclusions you have expressed. Now I will offer the main reason I believe in modern day communication from God. But before that I want to address something Brent implied. I never meant to suggest that what we are discussing is a "salvation issue". Salvation is through the blood, period. However I do believe with the Blackaby qoute Kevin mentioned that the Christian is in trouble (not lost) if he does not believe or hear the Voice of the Spirit.

      So here it goes. It seems to me that if you do not "see it" in what I am about to share, it would be a waste of time to go at it from other angles. Drum roll please.....JESUS RECEIVED "REAL TIME" COMMUNICATION FROM HIS FATHER WHEN HE WALKED THE EARTH". Stroll through any of the Gospels, especially John and take note how many times Jesus states that the Father is telling him what to do and say. Guys- think about it, Jesus is not only your Lord and Saviour but he also your perfect example of how to live. He came to earth, listened to the unseen Father and obeyed. He then taught those who would be his disciples to follow Him and let the Spirit guide them as the Father had been guiding Him. It is that simple. If you deny this avenue to God to men you are forcing them to live in a way foreign to Christ's example. You are telling men to be "Christ like" yet denying them an important way to receive guidance that Jesus relyed upon.It would be cruel for Jesus to walk this earth relying so heavily on hearing and obeying His Father and then remove this option for others while challenging and inviting them to be like Him and live as He did. You may be think,"well that is Jesus, I'm different". It's true we are different, but His grace allows us to walk into the Holy of Hoies, the veil is torn, our sins are covered. Yes are callings are different than his, but the ways of interacting with God was perfectly represented to us in Jesus. Jesus didn't dishonor or diminish or contradict Scripture by hearing and obeying His Father.

      When Jesus sent out his disciples on the limited commission(Matthew 10)why do you think he told them,"do not worry about HOW or WHAT you should speak. For it will be given to you in that hour what you should speak: for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you."? Did you hear that? Not only content (what) but also manner of delivery (how) would be given by revelation directly from the Father, WOW. Do you think this guidance from the Father violated Scripture? No way. It was from the same source. Why didn't Jesus just tell his disciples the important points to make when they were put up before men to speak? Did Jesus not know what his disciples should say? Of course he did and he could have given them words that the opponents would be unable to stand against. But, he didn't, he put them in a situation where they would start learning to hear with their spiritual ears on their own. The Master Teacher was teaching them to rely on hearing and obeying the unseen Father as he had and was doing.

      There, I hope you got it. If you did, great. If not, maybe in time you will, I tried. Paul


      "Therefore take heed HOW you hear. For whoever has, to him more will be given; and whoever does not have, even what he seems to have will be taken from him. " Luke 8:18
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