Hello, Im a new addition to your forum, a WW2 RAAF collector of uniforms and anything RAAF militaria from Melbourne, Australia. I have been offered what I think is a WW2 RAAF sergeant tunic. I say 'what I think' as the tag on the inner collar has the letters A (broad arrow) F, Made in Australia, size 22. It has bakelite KC black buttons, sergeant stripes on left sleeve only, eagle insignia on shoulders, no mothing and comes with a 7 1/8ths forage cap with no buttons or badge which have been removed. There is a ribbon bar for a 1939-45 Defence Medal and other medals appropriate to WW2. Does this sound authentic WW2 RAAF? The sale price was $165 which seems fair as I.S. Wright in Melbourne sell these tunics for over $300. I think it is either sergeant aircrew or ground staff.
I have also picked up lately a wartime issue BD blouse for an observer and some RAAF WW2 forage caps. I dont know if anyone in the UK is after one of these forage caps but I can get them. Looking to buy a large size WW2 RAAF uniform to fit me. I have a postwar one which seems to have shrunk. If I cant get one then the WPG WW2 RAF uniform might have to suffice with suitable AUSTRALIA shoulder flashes which some RAAF types wore. Can anyone tell me about the quality of these WPG uniforms? And if you think they're good value? Thanks, Kim
Anonymous (Login ww2raaf) Forum Member 126.96.36.199
WW2 RAAF tunic
July 19 2012, 5:50 AM
Sounds like your tunic is likely to be late war or shortly after WW2. Some of the other collectors would know better about the AF labelled items as I havent seen that in WW2 era tunics. Australian made tunics are normally prefaced with a letter for the state of manufacture eg N225 or have a makers tag from a clothing manufacturer eg David Jones or Howard and Sons. MTX with a date is WW2 period and MTX without a date is 1945 or later. The rank on one sleeve is something that was introduced late in the war. I think it's unlikely to be an aircrew tunic unless you can see signs of a removed wing (darker coloour where it was removed or signs of stitching). The Eagles on the shoulder are correct for an airman on Australian duty. If in good condition with a sidecap you probably havent paid too much but you wouldnt pay more unless it came with a brevet (in my opinion). Pending advice from more knowledgable people I would think it might be immediately post war (based on AF label and all end of war ribbons).
As for uniform to wear, most of them are smallish as people were smaller in that time. Most of the items I have seen are for people up to 5'9". You will need to advise what size you are looking for (chest and height) Have sent you an e-mail.
Got your email.Thanks. Yes, the fact the tunic has ribbons indicates to me late war as does the label. All WW2 tunics Ive seen have what you say V.... or S..... or N..... and a date. I think the seller either doesnt know its ancestry, is trying to make a quick sale, or is trying to hoodwink people. I have not bought the tunic on account I didnt think it was wartime issue and I already have 3 forage caps with buttons as this doesnt. Need to put my hard earned cash towards uniform items I can use.
By the way, have you seen the What Price Glory reproduction officer's uniforms? Id like a winter uniform for reenactment purposes and as I cant find a RAAF dark blue one I'd settle on a RAF one with AUSTRALIA shoulder badges as they did wear them with this insignia. Already have KD tunics but not good for cold weather.
By the way I think you and I have spoken before. I think you sent me a current issue RAAF uniform awhile ago - didnt fit so I returned it. Have managed to find a current issue RAAF peaked cap that sort of fits, and have 2 1960s ones that fit, cheers Kim
Hi Kim. I own a map that belonged to Flying Officer Frank Watson Weekes 402176 RAAF he was lost over Essen in a 105 Sqdn. Mosquito 28/7/42. It came in a bunch of maps I purchased with several different owners names on How they all came to be together is unknown. But any research you could do for me on him would be greatly appreciated.
Have you had a look at the Australian War Memorial website for information on Weekes? Apart fromn that RAAF Personnel Records would have his service history. You can contact them direct or I'll do some hunting at this end, cheers Kim
andy (Login mapman1940) Forum Member 188.8.131.52
July 28 2012, 12:09 PM
Thanks for responding kim. Records of British servicemen are very hard to prise out of our government even now. I did feel that the Australian and Canadian governments were a bit more forthcoming with information they seem proud to acknowledge the sacrifices of their countrymen. If you dont mind looking for me it would be a help. I think I read he enlisted in Melbourne in 1941. I will look where you have advised me to see what I can find. Thanks Andy.
I think your best bet is to request the records through the Australian National Archives. You can do this online on www.naa.gov.au. Go about half way down on the left where it says 'the collection' and click on record search. Go for the simple search 'begin your search' and as a guest. Enter Weeke's full name and years 1939 to 1945. that brings up two files. One is the casualty file and the one with the 9300 prefix is his service record. By then clicking on the hyperlink (under the term control symbol) you can request a copy of the records. All the info on times, formats and cost is on the site. If you choose digital it will then be placed on the site permanently for all researchers to access.
andy (Login mapman1940) Forum Member 184.108.40.206
Australian Archives F.O.A. Mark
August 4 2012, 3:55 AM
Thanks Mark. Since I joined this forum I have been constantly surprised by the knowledge of the people on this site. There always appears to be someone who knows exactly how to find what you are looking for. Thanks again Andy