What is that team thinking?

Tight end, apparently. Gossip reports anyway. Maybe he got some practice in at that position in prison.

ETA: I heard possible Viking rumbles as well.

just received a CNN alert. He is now an Eagle.

You aren't even going to snorf a LITTLE at my joke, Jo? sigh

I chucked.

And now I have the song "fly like an eagle" in my head, except I'm saying "Mike Vick an Eagle".

Eagle

eagle

eagle

Mike Vick's an eagle
In Philly
Mike Vick's an eagle
a tight end, not safety
Mike Vick's an eagle
Now he's free
Oh, lord... from the conviction

Ha! Love it! Maybe consider changing 'tight end' to 'QB' though in that line there in the middle. Accuracy and what not.

Land sakes alive, the steak's alive.

Oh... I had no idea what position he's playing, I was relying on Anny, who is my football hero.

see Anny, you're lucky I even read this thread let alone issue some snorfing.

It's football.


blech

Doc Zh... I said RUMOR that he would play tight end instead of QB. Check TMZ!

ETA: actually I said gossip.

I'm not sure what to say about this. My brothers, parents, and sister are all HUGE Eagles fans. Not sure if this will change their minds or not. My brother says no. On a whole, it's the only team's he ever really rooted for.

I don't know if I have a strong opinion. I mean, I live in a town where Ray Lewis is a f**king hero and thousands of children are wearing his name and number on the back of their jersey. I've gotten used to the stupidity that is professional sports and its worship of those not worthy of worship.

I wouldn't worry too much about it Kathleen. He paid his debt to society by serving his time. He is under restrictions from the NFL and will continue mentoring under former Colts head coach Tony Dungy - who is one hell of a guy.

If he chooses to turn his life around, he has every tool and opportunity. This could turn out to be a feather (HA!) in the cap of the Eagles... a second chance story, if Vick really takes advantage of his current situation.

And on the other hand, he may not even make the team. And if he makes the team, he may not see much play. And if he sees play, there will likely be players on both sides of the scrimmage line, right or wrong, who wouldn't mind dealing him a career ending injury.

I'm still irritated that someone can get banned for life, for two years. Stupid. And like a child molester, if you lack the hardwiring to realize what you are doing is wrong when you are shocking a dog with jumper cables, you are incapable of ever truly feeling remorse over it other than the fact you got caught.

I think I agree with Ginny

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because
those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."
~Dr. Seuss

Really Amber? That kind of surprises me.

You make it no secret that you are christian. Maybe I don't understand what that actually means, but I think it means that you believe that people should be forgiven if they express remorse and are supported to change. Wrong? Doesn't seem like hardwired fits into that picture.

I personally think Vick is a scum bag, so don't take this as I am arguing that he should or shouldn't have had more prison time or a life time of denial by the NFL. Your response surprised me is all.



ETA: a missing auxiliary

The fans booed Santa Claus in Philly...lol. They may love Vick or hate him. Who knows? I think it all depends on how he plays.

I personally detest what he did, but I'm not the one paying his salary either. I might feel different if I lived in Philly, but as long as, he's not playing in my town, I could care less.



"This is a fun place, but these people will turn on you like a pack of badgers on meth if you're not careful." - big d

That's "couldn't care less" Tom

Thanks. I hate that, too.

I think Eagles fans are pretty hardcore. I doubt the team will lose many fans because of this.

That's an interesting point, Anny.

It's safe to say God's grace is greater than mine. Lucky for Vick (and everyone else), God forgives even when people can't - or at least find it very difficult to. But I believe that His forgiveness comes when we are truly repentant...which for the reasons Ginny listed, I doubt.

Like you said, I have no place in judging his true heart or intentions, but being human and all, I struggle with that a little.

And to clarify my frowney face - it was because I was sad thinking about those dogs, not because I was agreeing with Ginny.

I heard a brief interview on NPR about this and Mike said that he hopes to help more animals than he hurt.

Apparently he working with his local humane society.

My question is, who is going to keep him at his word?

Anybody?

"Ta Friggin da"

Okay Amber. Thanks for responding.

I didn't actually notice the frowny face, I was more focused on your words.

Sorry if you feel I called you out. I did. But you make it no secret that you are christian, so I felt it was okay to ask you about it.

The reasons Ginny sites don't have anything to do with redemtion. Just deed. I don't get where you are coming from in doubting him.

No problem at all

From what I have read Bider, Vick really plans repenting and being a do-gooder in the animal world. Here is hope that he will.

There are some animal rights groups that are completely hatin on him, but others that want to believe in him and think he can really make an impact.

I for one hope he has a huge round about change. But I ain't drafting him

ETA: The people assigned to keep him at his word? Tony Dungy (MY HERO!!!), The NFL, and the parole board. Plus fans, team mates, coaches....
I think the dude has a big monkey on his back.

Totally with Ginny on this. If you can straight out torture an animal for entertainment and its whimpers of fear and screams of pain don't have any effect on you at all - and are, in fact, part of the entertainment value in it - there is something wrong with you.

Fuck the Eagles, but even more so, Fuck the NFL.

Philadelphia fans dont care about the dogs, they only care about the last play. If Vick performs, the fans will love him. If he fails theyll throw dog collars or something at him.

The eagles head coach had two sons in jail, Im sure hes all about giving second chances. The truth is, no matter what Vick did he paid his debt. Vick is not the only thug in the NFL.

I think the more interesting part of this case is Vicks willingness to throw it all away over something that had a hobby for him. Its the classic case of Trading Places. Vick had fame and money and talent and a way out of poverty for him and his family and threw it all away on dog fights.

I find that fascinating and shocking and Im honestly curious to see how reformed he really is.

Wait...is he replacing Joe Walsh?

I find it amazing that Vick can get out of a lifetime banning for things I don't even want to think about, but Pete Rose can't catch a break and all he did was some gambling.

I am

I dont understand how killing dogs equals life time banning of football. I understand how gambling on a game you're playing in equals banning.

I mean look, Vick did horrible, unforgivable things and I wouldnt invite him to dinner and I really wouldnt ask him to dog sit, but I'm ok with him throwing a football around.

I agree with you Appalled. And you were actually right in your prediction of how Eagles fans will receive the news - if the preliminary jersey sales mean anything (which I think they do).

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20090817_Already_buying_Vick.html

Pete Rose was betting on his own team though. It's not like he was betting against and deliberately playing poorly. If anything it probably motivates to play a little better.

Well living here you sure get to know the fans.

Now the interesting thing is what will Vick do with this second chance? My prediction: Cock Fights!

Insider speculation has it that the Eagles will take the publicity hit this year, pay Vick his 1.5 mil and trade him for a draft pick next year.

We'll see.

I can't believe they're gonna let him keep #7. That was Ron Jaworski's number in Philly...lol.

Btw...

"That's "couldn't care less" Tom happy.gif"

I was gonna type "couldn't" and got the squiggly line underneath from the spell checker. I am entirely too dependent on that thing. So, I put "could" instead, when I should probably have put "could not." I have since altered my spell check to accept "couldn't."

Sorry... I was doin it wrong

[IMG][/IMG]

"This is a fun place, but these people will turn on you like a pack of badgers on meth if you're not careful." - big d

As Vick is a member of the NFL I see this as more than throwing a football around. Maybe because I live in Atlanta I see more of the hype but here Vick is/was a role model. People of all ages wear his jersey/number. I am sure that dog fighting is not an image that the NFL wishes to portray.

Whether he feels remorse in his heart is not for me to judge. However, he is in a unique position to shed some light on the very dark "sport" of dog fighting. However sick the sight of that man makes me I hope he continues to take a public stand against dog fighting so that less dogs are hurt and killed in this henious activity.

Gambling hurts no one and nothing, and Rose bet on his team, never against.

I don't really care about Rose that much, I just find it shocking how easily that Vick weaseled his way out of his lifetime banning, but Rose (who is arguably the best baseball player ever) can't catch a break.

I am

Gambling hurts the integrity of the game. No matter how you feel about him, you have to agree its unsavory. And Pete Rose is well loved in Philadelphia, ask anyone, including me, and they'll agree he should be in the baseball hall of fame.

Dog fighting hurts and kills dogs which (while horrible and reprehensible) has nothing to do with football.

I don't recall Vick getting a lifetime ban from the NFL. There was talk of it, but I don't think it was ever imposed.


Just saying.

"This is a fun place, but these people will turn on you like a pack of badgers on meth if you're not careful." - big d

I think you're right Tom, I wasnt sure and didnt care enough to google.

What about drunk driving and killing another person? Wasnt there someone recently banned for that?

I think it has more to do with the image and integrity of the NFL than it does with playing football.

Donte Stallworth. He's suspended without pay for the 2009 season.

"This is a fun place, but these people will turn on you like a pack of badgers on meth if you're not careful." - big d

You are right Tom. Vick was never banned for life.

I realize there are plenty of assholes in the NFL. Personally, I see more of the value of a "second chance" for someone who killed another person through negligence and stupidity than for someone who tortured an animal repeatedly. I realize one is a more serious crime than the other, but to me it's the difference between something you can call a mistake, and something that was an absolute pre-meditated, cold hearted, depraved act.

Just like me being an attorney - if I killed someone, I could pass the ethics review easier than if I commited a fraud. One is a more serious crime than the other, but due to the nature of the crime one is used as an exclusion to the practice of law and the other is not necessarily. I see a similarity. While killing someone while driving drunk is awful, it's something you can have a wake up call about and I would believe it more than "Gee, I shouldn't have tortured all those dogs. What was I thinking?"

*I'm* just sayin.

So Ginny you're saying what, a man who pays his debt to society should be scarlet lettered from this day out?

Why not? You know how hard it is for the rest of the world to get a job with a felony conviction? I feel worse for the single mom who got busted selling drugs to support her kids than some asshole who had every advantage on earth and decided to torture some dogs.

Sure, who doesnt feel worse for the woman you described. In fact, I dont feel bad for Vick at all.

But if someone wants to hire him, who am I (or you) to say he shouldn't work?

Yeah, you are right. I would boycott NFL sponsers but I looked at the list of major sponsers and I don't buy anything from those people anyway.

My beef is more with people who say he's entitled. No, he isn't. He's not entitled. He doesn't "deserve" a second chance. He deserves nothing. He got something anyway, which is how life is. Unfair.

But, yeah, that's life.

So Lea, if you stop for a drink on the way home from work, get in your car and god forbid, kill someone, you should be banned for life from employment?

And it obviously doesnt have anything to do with the image because neither of the players you mentioned are banned for life.

Banned for life from employment, no. But if I got disbarred I guess that would be my own damn fault and I should suck it up and go work at Taco Bell like the piece of shit I made my life into, shouldn't I?

Right well, Vick's isn't a lawyer. He's a football player and he's not held to the same ethical standards you are. If he was, I suspect there would be so few players, I might be able to play.

NO, NO, NO!!!














Porn before Taco Bell, please

"This is a fun place, but these people will turn on you like a pack of badgers on meth if you're not careful." - big d

I was trying to figure out what I wanted to name my fantasy football team this year. In searching for inspiration on the intertubes, I came across this name - Kibbles and Vick. clever people.

So football players have zero ethical standards?

I feel bad for the football players who are decent human beings, then.

Well you made the jump from different standards to zero standards, but that can't be news to you, can it?

Is it Detroit where most the team has been arrested? I'm sure there are a lot of fine men who play football, but I'm equally sure there are a lot of thugs. Theyre not playing tea party out there.


And I'm not even really a football fan. I'll jump on the band wagon if the eagles are winning because the parties are fun, and I even know there are thugs in the NFL.

Well if what Vick did is above the line for ethical standards by your rational, I don't know where else to put the line but zero.

I dont think anyone thinks dog fighting is ethically ok. Vick served two years in prison for it and missed a huge part of his career. If the NFL and the Eagles want to hire him back, I say that is up to them.

Clearly, it's up to them.

I don't know how anyone can support that team considering, but that's up to them, too. I think it says a lot about a person.

BOYCOTT BUDWISER!

Funny, I think the refusal to believe in regret, reform and second chances says a lot about a person.

As detailed above, I don't believe he has regret or that a crime of this type is something you can ever feel remorse over. If you didn't feel badly about it while you were holding the screaming dog underwater until it drowned, I doubt your ability to feel badly about it now.

And that's the full circle argument.

I didnt read any of the above so I missed your detailed analysis of his soul. I also didnt realize you were omnipotent.

Torturing dogs makes you a bad person. Truefax. It's in the bible.

Well on that we can agree. Michael Vick is a bad person who did horrible things and served his requried two years in prison for his crimes.

One act such as vehicular homicide (or whatever) does not necessarily have anything to do with football. I agree. However, I believe it was the intention of the NFL to maintain or conjure an image of integrity by banning these players that "misbehave" off of the field. Whether that ban is for two years or two months, it is for the NFL's benefit to show some sort of review and consequences.

Not the job that I currently have but I have held a position with one well known firm that, yes, if I were to have killed someone while driving intoxicated I would have been asked to leave that position. That does not mean that someone else wouldnt/couldnt hire me but I would not be able to work for that firm again.

Well then Lea you can think of the eagles as a different firm, right?

Im not exactly sure what argument you are trying to make. Im saying that I am glad he is not coming back to the Falcons. It IS a big deal to me. The NFL cares about making money and keeping sponsors. I hope Vick can be part of the solution instead of the problem, if you will.

sonofabitch:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/08/17/us.dog.fighting/index.html

Appy -- go back to that rock you've been hiding under. You've been a major bitch/downer the past week.

Fuck him. Fuck him. Fuck him.

He fucking sucks.

Vick should get to play in one lopsided game.
Just long enough to allow the offensive line to take off a play or two and let the defense eat him alive.

I do believe he has the right to work again but it would have been nice if the NFL turned their back on a guy who was responsible for removing dogs teeth and strapping them to 'rape boxes'...

Sorry. Maybe bad analogy but if a guy was a molester he wouldn't make it back in because nobody would tolerate it...

So the whole do your time and free to go thing really depends on how severe you classify the crime personally me thinks...

Yeah that's another thing. Seriously, fuck Vick for causing me to find out what a rape box is. I could have gone by whole life without knowing that.

F. Micheal Vick- I've always wanted to be tied to a rape box and then drowned.
M. Donte Stallworth- He had an accident and payed the family off.
K. Single mom who sells drugs. Pot is bad and should land you in prison for life.

Oops, wrong thread.