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I thought that was funny... yet painful.

Thank goodness there was nobody wearing KISS T-Shirts man!

You just never see this kind of ignorance on the other side.

Sure you do.

"Obama's gonna pay my mortgage."

"Don't taze me, dude."

The don't taze me bro guy was harassing Kerry. I don't think you could call him a liberal.

Emokid is throwing slomo dove at my face, I guess that means he flipped me the bird

Obama ruined the country in 6 months? Wow, that's pretty impressive. I always thought govt moved slowly.

Okay- here is what they were all TRYING to say...

"We don't like the Czars program, because there are more of them then ever before and their role has changed- we don't know what kind of autority they have under this new admistration- they are more mobile and less accountable than previous administrations and we would like more of the promised transparency about these people and what their jobs are.

We are also against Obama's healthcare reform, since a public option has the ability to change, in favor of the rules and regulations of the Federal government- whereas a contract with a private insurer is binding and protected by the court system."

Two paragraphs and a xerox machine would have changed that whole video.

But isn't that the point, AC. That people are against things without even knowing why they are against them?

I have no doubt that the majority of folks there were intelligent people with what they see as legitimate worries about the direction of the country. I may disagree with their view, but I understand.

My problem is that those people seem to attract the idiots of this nation in droves. People who do not understand the difference between socialism and fascism...and why Obama is neither. People who really believe he is Muslim (why does it even matter?), people who think war is a football game, people who think czars have something to do with Russian communism (umm, communists overthrew the czar).

If they don't like things, they can vote. nothing in America is ever written in stone.

Most republicans can't stand these people and know that they take away from legitimate debate.

Well, and that's the reason why out of probably 10 hours of footage these film makers used about 10 minutes.

Problem is, some of them are int he House of Representatives:

Yeah, and some them have "spiritually advised" the President of the United States.



"The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. The government lied."

"We started the AIDS virus. We are only able to maintain our level of living by making sure that Third World people live in grinding poverty."


"Barack knows what it means to be a black man to be living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people. Hillary can never know that. Hillary ain't never been called a n-----."

Face it, Pee Jay, when you make a blanket statement that all stupidity is relegated to one side of the political aisle, which is essentially what you said - "You just never see this kind of ignorance on the other side." - you actually used the word "never" - you are wrong.

I imagine that if I took a vidi-cam into Obama's Chicago church and put together some footage of some of the congregation's attempts to regurgitate what they'd been taught by Rev Wright - I bet I could come up with some pretty hilarious and wildly ignorant shit too...

That's pretty darn thin in my book. Obama is not using spiritual advice of any kind to plan our Health Care system - except perhaps the basic morality we should all feel to cover all economic classes equally. Even Obama has pretty much disavowed his relationship with that guy.

That said, I think a video of a pro-Health Care march would have yielded similar lack of participant depth on the issues, with the one difference that many would have had clear stories about how the current system had utterly failed them, as those people would have self-selected for participation.

Squid,

Just to make sure you understand,

I wasn't responding to the actual issue at hand, but rather the blanket statement that all ignorance resides on only one side of the political equation. I only used Rev Wright as an example.

I think that type of thinking is just as ignorant as the ignorance that one is claiming to abhor.

Your a smart dude, but considering your job, I bet you've run into a more than a few people who are completely on your side of a political issue, but dumber than a box of rocks - and completely unable to articulate their view in any comprehensive way.

If stupidity is the act of knowing better and doing or saying the wrong thing anyway, then ignorance is just not knowing any better and doing and saying things in an uninformed way- which can be easily mistaken for stupidity.

The unfortunate part is that the world has no shortage of either type of person-

I think the Rev. Wright issue was self regulating.

His views were not acceptable to either side and Obama dealt with the issue. My feeling is Obama genuinely liked him but rarely agreed with him. Sort of how I feel about my Republican father and Cheney likely feels about his lesbian daughter.

The Joe Wilson thing is just symptomatic of a larger issue on the right as Republican party wrestles with what it is and what it stands for. My fear is that in desperation they appeal tot he lowest common denominator and wind up worse then they were before. I have seen nothing from them recently that convinces me otherwise.

...So these angry, ignorant right-leaning people congregating on the Washington Mall is cause for fear and danger...


...and yet a bunch of lefties in 1995 congregating on the mall at the direction of Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam was just a bunch of intelligent, reasonable folks having a peaceful time of it... ????


And of course, when lefties do it its all self-regulating, no security needed, yet when right-winger's do it we had better lock down the hatches.

And of course, Republican contender Dole was the ignorant reactionary when he said: "His anti- Semitic slurs continue to prove that he has no place posing as a moral leader. He spreads suspicion, separatism, and hate wherever he goes. No cloak can cover the ugliness of Farrakhan's purpose. So my view is, if he would just leave the march, it would be better off."

And liberal-leaning Farrakhan was the calm sensible one when he said:

Im not an anti-Semite, I never have been one. I do not hate the Jewish people; put that down! What I hate is the degree of control that they exercise over Black intellectual, cultural expression."

Dangerous radicalism and ignorance abound on both sides of the political divide, for you to now back pedal and say that leftwing radicalism is less dangerous is just as ridiculous.

I agree with all of you.

I think the Republicans are murdering themselves with this stuff.

Of that there is no doubt, Squid.

I was reading an older Vanity Fair I had on hand from about a year ago. It had a interview/profile with Rupert Murdoch. VF really kid-gloved him - made him seem like a likable guy. As far as I'm concerned FoxNews is really the root cause of all this ignorance.

It's really a shame.

I disagree (naturally)- we are still a very divided country. Obama won the popular vote in single digits. There is still no consensus. The GOP is floundering, but it is gaining some focus and getting the attention of the media on a weekly basis.

This is still a battle for the mid-term elections- and of course they are going to use the mistrust of the federal government by the red parts of the world (not sayin states, cause the metropolitan areas overruled the rural this last election). The Dems have not done a very good job calming them- or at least giving the illusion that they are listening.

Joe Wilson is a symptom- not the disease.

We'll see. By your own 50% logic, no party can win without getting at least one more vote than half.

The more the dittoheads hang onto the mike, the more moderate Republicans will think they need somewhere else to go. Rage on Rush, Sarah, Beck and their ilk! Rage ON!

Problem is that more of the moderate republicans are agreeing with the dittoheads, mostly because they have lost so much of their retirement savings- people vote with their pocketbook man.

So if McCain had won last November, you think that we would never have gotten into a recession?

Land sakes alive, the steak's alive.

Hrmm. I think it's possible to create fear and mayhem in the short term, but I doubt that over the long term that moderates will still be drinking the Kool-Aide.

There is of course the historical tendency of the Executive Branch's party doing poorly in the first off-cycle election following the change in power to contend with - but again, we'll see.

I've always considered myself a moderate republican. I disagree with your assertion. The more outrageous the dittoheads become, the further I find myself from the GOP overall.

I think the dittoheads are marginalizing the voice of the moderates and have hijacked the party of Lincoln. Sure, the religious right were empowered by Reagan, but I don't think it wa his intention to turn the party over to them.

They were supposed to deliver the pizza to the party (to ensure party success) and wound up staying, drinking too much tequila, starting fights and pissing on the floor.

I wanna write a book called Reagan's Golem: How the Religious Right Hijacked the party of Lincoln




Enjoy the Kool-Aide (made from real crap)

The dittoheads are leaning more towards libertarians than the GOP's from a philisophical (if you can call it that).

"Sure, the religious right were empowered by Reagan, but I don't think it wa his intention to turn the party over to them. They were supposed to deliver the pizza to the party (to ensure party success) and wound up staying, drinking too much tequila, starting fights and pissing on the floor."


Sweet Sentences! This is just fuckin' awesome, 8. it sure is nice you're back.

"We are only able to maintain our level of living by making sure that Third World people live in grinding poverty."

I agree with that statement from Rev Wright.

Actually, there are grains of truth in what Wright says, and I am sure that there is a lot taken out of context- which makes him sound more than a little than shithouse rat crazy. There is a huge mythology that the African American community live with- and the government creating the AIDs virus to keep people of color in their place is part of that (just like Malt Liqour is meant to keep black people from being non-motivated). So, for his audience- he is probably spot on- something us white folk may not be able to comprehend...

Some interesting poll results that support some of Citizen's assertions about a pox on both your houses... but also mine that Obama is the only one who could be called anything close to a winner here...

National

Job Approval / Disapproval
Republicans in Congress: 27 / 70
Democrats in Congress: 36 / 61

In dealing with the problems facing the country, do you think Barack Obama has or has not made a sincere effort to work with the Republicans in Congress to find solutions that are acceptable to both parties?
60% Yes, he has
38% No, he has not

Do you think the Republicans in Congress have or have not made a sincere effort to work with Barack Obama and the Democrats in Congress to find solutions that are acceptable to both parties?
33% Yes, they have
64% No, they have not

Do you think the Democrats in Congress have or have not made a sincere effort to work with the Republicans in Congress to find solutions that are acceptable to both parties?
38% Yes, they have
59% No, they have not