...Of login only days.

I'd enjoy some non-login days for a change.

Note to tOdd -

Log in days also annoy Appalled. DOUBLE BONUS!!

Dang, I thought you had swine flu. I was all ready to come over and party.

Emokid is throwing slomo dove at my face, I guess that means he flipped me the bird

Wait, what's the first bonus?

Some percentage of anons won't want to take the time to make a login for their asshattery, or by virtue of logging in, will have a critical extra few seconds in which to ask themselves if what they are about to do is worth it.

Oh, I see.

But asshattery and worse, vile attacks against women, equal to calling a black the n-word or a homosexual the f-word is fine?

Hey, he was logged in!

Well he did say all that stuff too. He was an equal ooportunity h8ter.

And is therefore accountable to you and all of us. You will factor that in the next thing he says, just as you factored in every other damn thing he's ever said in your tiresome initial assault on him that yeilded the predictable response you so desperately wanted.

I love how you assume to know what I desperately want.

You're able to assign that accountability to the one login name and not to the collective anon? Maybe you're not as smart as smirk proclaims.

Thank GOD it was login day so my delicate sensibilities were well protected against vicious and unwarranted attacks!

Thank GOD! heh.

Oh and also the c-word is not as bad as you say it is. Not by a long shot.

To whom? You? Good to know.

I didnt realize you were the qualifier on hatred.

Who dropped the C-bomb?

I missed it.

No you didn't. She's talking about g#nf___r.

the what?

$8 called her the C word after she attacked him out of the blue.

Heh. I mean, over the years you've kept elevating that word from "Appalling" to your current claim that it's nazi-lucifer-world-eating-apocalyptic-insta-death.

Puh-leeze, Appy.

Oh he did? I must have missed it.

yeah, he did. More than once.

Oh wow, must have been when I was walking? I totally didn't see it.

Heres the thing, if I call you a dick youre kinda proud of it. You kinda in a way like it.

But to call a woman the c-word means you called her the worst thing you can think. You spewed as much hate out of your mouth and on to someone else as you possibly could. Now heres the catch, theres really nothing I can call you equal in hate as the c-word.

You may disagree with that, thats just one mans view. Plus I have a strong suspicion that your view would change dramatically if that word was spewed at your wife or daughter or mother.

And my unprovoked attack wasnt much of an attack. Really my unmitigated bull crap detector was going off the charts. A poor me post from a man who brags about torturing the mentally ill is just more hypocrisy then I can handle in one post.

But hey, if you and tru and Dr. SwineFlu (which is the funniest thing I read all day btw) think I deserved it, Ill remember not to wear short skirts around you. I dont want to be known as the woman who asked for it.

Lastly, any words out of that posters mouth are pretty meaningless to me. I just think theres a more interesting debate here. Why are hateful attacks by anons edited by regular posters, but when then come from someone logged in theyre not only tolerated, but supported??

I think it's well worn territory Appy, don't you? Couldn't you pretty much argue any side in this debate at this point?

Obviously I dont or I wouldnt have brought it up.

And really I cant see your point of view. I dont see how the anons are ruining the board but one known person calling another the worst word he could think of, isnt.

So much for civil discourse.

And you know, Ugh (who really needs a new name) has a valid point. You claim people are afraid to post because of anon attacks, but you dont think a hateful attack that is supported by other members puts people off from posting??

I think the gun****r posts were deleted because 1) there were hundreds of them cluttering up the board and B) they contained death threats (toward my children in many instances.)

I didn't post here for a long time because of anon attacks. They weren't nearly as bad as gunfever's, but they were bad enough to make me leave for a while.

I hesitate stepping into the middle of this argument, Appy, but it seems as though the words the poster you're referring to used aren't as meaningless as you claim. Either it's the word itself or that fact that he called you one, but it seems to have really troubled you. And maybe, just maybe, saying to him that the only way his mom would spend any time with him was if she was guilted into it, may have been the worst thing you could have said to him, so he fired back with the worst thing HE could think of.

But two wrongs don't make a right, I guess.

Honestly, it bothers me as much as everyone calling me "dude", which is not at all. As I said it's an interesting debate point, thats all.

He's the one who said his wife had to badger mother into coming to graduation. I didn't think it up, I didn't look for "the worst thing", I just repeated that story back to him.

And I know you left because of anon attacks, which were awful and shouldn't and weren't tolerated, they crossed the line. Are you saying that being called the c-word would be ok with you? Or are you saying thats its ok that I was, because I deserved it?

Awfulness and deservedness aside, we "know" who he is, and you can take that into account when reading his posts in the future. That's why anons are worse. There's no accountability. Just cowardly shouting from a dark closet.

Ginny, I have to say I dont see it. I dont understand why you cant take into account all things the collective anon has said before reading or reacting to a post. And what accountablity is here? None that I see.

Todd, if that was directed to me, thanks.

Log-in is off right now. But I will accept all requests for detention and ALL reasonable requests will be granted.

So please take the request seriously.

One per customer.

Cunt you Todd! And you lie too.

OK, if you want to understand my point of view, you have to stop mischaracterizing it.

First - you keep pigeonholing me as the poster child for anti-anondom. I usually can't resist engaging anons against better judgment - but if asked I'll share that I think they kill the vibe of this place, and I wish they didn't exist. Pretty sure I'm not alone on that one.

You want me to agree with you that they add something, and I just don't think they do. Obviously they don't kill it for ME, either. As more than one anon has pointed out, I hold my own with them just fine, and they must know by now that their efforts will have no effect whatsoever on what I post. However, I have seen them effect other people's posting habits dramatically - which is why I think they suck in general.

Second - folks weighed in both for and against you on the $8 bucks calling you a cunt thing. You told him how you felt. There was conversation about the appropriateness of his comment. He backed way off, but stopped short of an apology.

Sorry if your own schtick is caustic enough that you're not getting the full victim sympathy treatment here. It'd be like me complaining overly that someone was being too political here - it's just not that credible. So he hits your button, and you're offended. Welcome to the experience of your many victims over the years. I've enjoyed every minute of them, so that's not me preaching, just confused that you think you're somehow entitled to outrage for ill treatment.

The nice thing is, that going forward you'll have many opportunities to comment on $8's posts, and can bring up this example of his tact to support your arguments. Many of us - myself included - must own the profiles we've created over the years for better or worse. In most cases, it's a story of humanity with both good and bad. Hopefully by contributing both we all maintain some balance of value to the community.

The anons, I strongly suspect, are those that contributed mostly the non-valued stuff, or were too strong-headed to be socialized and choose now instead to try to fart at the garden party periodically when they get board with whatever else it is they do. I don't think there is a single credible example of someone who was 'chased off' by a single member of this community. Those that flounce usually do so when even the quieter among us start saying, 'Hey, you really are being kind of a dick...(I could say cunt here, but don't want to offend you further)' Those with brains usually own it at that point and try to change the tide. Those without go anon.

So if your argument is that because $8 called you a cunt, he should be shunned or banned - I direct you back to your own posts, and remind you that none of us were promised a rose garden here. You'd normally mock someone who asked for such a thing.

So if that's not what you want, I'll ask you - what are you hoping for here with this conversation?

I think one conclusion that can be drawn is the no one here is better than anyone else. The caustic dialog is cuntagious.

Really, I enjoy pointing out the inequity of the situation. And my buttons are not pushed nor do I feel like a victim. Thats not the first time that word has been spewed at me. Normally I just ignore.

My feelings were much more hurt when you said hateful things to me in a post, then claimed to be just joking. Your words have meaning to me. (Apology given and accepted, Im just saying)

And yes, I do think those who want a rose garden are silly.

But you dont see the hypocrisy of saying its ok for hateful spew as long as your logged in? I guess thats just my point, logins dont matter, dont change how some people will post, no matter what the "Your Name" box says.

And if you're not the poster boy for Anti-Anon, who is? C'mon man.

I think you are confusing lack of outrage with an endorsement. I'm neither outraged, nor endorsing.

My point was that no one said $8's thing was really ok either. Some didn't care and some agreed with you that it was pretty gross. I disagreed that the word is tantamount to nigger or should be given as much power.

Your choices are:

1) anons are bad and should be erradicated

and

2) anything goes as a logged in poster

Those are not the real choices anyone else has been arguing. Both are nuanced. Anons within reason are tolerable I guess, and logged in posters are at least accountable for their actions. I'm sure you will hold $8 plenty accountable in the coming months.

No, those werent my choices at all.

I'm sorry that you disagree about the power of the c-word. I suppose never being discrimated against, or hated due to your sex would take the sting out of it.

And silence by the way, implies consent. When Anon made an overweight comment to ginny we all jumped in, to support her. The only person who supported me got dog piled themselves.

I'm afriad that reads like a "poor me" and it's not meant to be. I'm just pointing out the facts as I see them.

The c word that should apply to you is crap. As in full of.

I agree with you Appy, but the truth of the matter is not everyone feels strongly about everything. That's just life, we pick our battles. I think a lot of people got upset with anon's snide comment towards me because he was clearly taking a pot shot at the pic I posted in the breast cancer walk I did, and others had a lot of emotional investment in that due to all the fundraising and time spent talking about it on this board. Plus, I think we all agree you should be able to post a pic in that context and not get slammed for it. I did it knowing that was likely, so I wasn't about to get really panty-wadded about it. Clearly anyone who would do such a thing is a douche. When it's a disagreement between two people, and both are highly capable of holding their own in an argument, I am much less likely to jump in the middle of that or choose sides. I see this as a disagreement between the two of you. That's all.

And thats fine but it's also proves my point.

A logged in poster can call another the worst word they can think of for a woman but as long as it's between to logged in people, it's tolerated.

To me, thats hypocritical.

I didn't mean that I'd be OK with anyone calling me the c word, just as I wasn't okay with someone (who posted as anon, but let's face it, wasn't an anon) calling me fat, lazy, a bad mother, etc.

And I definitely didn't mean you deserved it; I guess I just meant when you say something like what you said that implies a lot about $8's relationship with his mother, you have to expect you're going hit a nerve and get back as good as you gave.

I guess thats where we disagree, I dont think name calling is getting it back as good as I gave.

Theres a suspect in your Anon case? I didnt know that.

Sometimes people bring a gun to a knife fight. It's the risk you take when you bait as much and in the way you do.

Well anon, I didnt mean it was worse. In fact I thought it negated anything he said. If you're reduced to name calling you're not putting up much of a debate.

I really didnt mean to knife him either, I just basicly repeated back to him what he said.

The poor me was just way way over the top. Funny, no one posted a jesus picture there, huh?

Just to clarify, Appy, I didn't mean my comment about the Jesus pic to be a snark about you. I thought that was a suggestion for an avatar like the thread title suggested.

I don't think there's a suspect in my anon case necessarily, but there's absolutely no doubt in my mind that it's a regular visitor or poster. In my opinion, there's no way an anon would visit, read something I posted, leave, and come back several months later to bash me for it....down to remembering what they THOUGHT we'd paid for our first house (a fact they got wrong anyway). And do it again and again and again and again and never get banned.

I have my suspicions.

I think $8 could probably come up with a worse word than cunt if he wanted to. Not that I'm daring him to or anything. Friggin' $8 the chicken wouldn't fall for that...

Honestly, I equate being called a cunt with being called a bitch. I'd rather be called a cunt than a slut, a whore, a bad wife, neglectful, a shitty mom, a bad parent....there's a whole lot of things.

Lemme see... after 6 years in the Navy... I think..


nevermind. It's all just bits in the ether anyway.


So, like I said, in a moment of anger I said what I said. I won't apologize for it because that shoe looks like a really good fit from where I'm sitting.

I won't validate her argument by responding to it. She was off base and out of bounds with her post that started it. She can think whatever the fuck she wants about me, but there are boundaries. If she wishes to cross them I will respond as I see fit at the time. That is all.

Yeah Squid that doesnt read like much of my pal post to me, I'm often obtuse but I think I'm getting the hint.

Well they were awful posts to you and it really stinks if it was someone you were friendly with.

Is there any doubt in your mind that most anons are from people with old grudges about whatever?

That they leave their newspaper stacking, their doodling, their ambulance driving, their drum playing, their Limbaugh listening, their silver jewelry making to come here and shit on someone for something they think happened to them that wasn't their fault.

Heh - that should open the floodgates!

I would like to clarify that I never said it was fine for him to call you that. In fact, I think the point of my post was the opposite, that I think it's wrong to use that word in a derogatory context.

I never actually commented at all on whether or not it was right for him to go after you.

Huh. No floodgates opened. How about that?

It's ridiculous, the arguing over this. What is apparent is someone puts entirely too much investment into an internet chat board. How many hours of analysis and typing of the long posts defending your stance on such a nebulous issue? It's amusing. Yes, that's you, Squid. Then again, I've never known a man that was so up on current pop culture either, so there's that. Lots of time to kill, it seems.

Oh, I've attacked out of nowhere. Sorry about that. And unaccountable, to boot. Like someone here harboring some grudge against you doesn't have the balls to confront you. Or not. Who knows?

Ha!  Posting a rank on someone on a message board for posting on that board.  Good one.  

It may take you hours to compose your little petty screeds, but I dash them off fairly quickly.  At any rate, I'm pretty happy overall with how my dealio is structured in life, so some bitter stranger is pretty unlikely to shake my foundations on that front. 

Also, I don't think anyone here thinks hanging out with a bunch of cool creative people and sharing our thoughts and feelings is a waste of time. 

Rock on, ye of scant profundity!

Just so I'm clear, we're all assuming this is Appy posing as her own anon, right?

Nah. I doubt it.

It's been many

1. years since
2. I posted anon,
3. why would I? 

Love the new feature!

Because, Appy. You are meen. Everyone knows the meenies like to post anon.

Yes but I'm mean enough to post as myself.

I just went out for lunch and sweat and sour chicken was on the menu.  I didn't tell them.

Ew. I hope you didn't order it.

I have to tell them. I know the waiter probably doesn't care, but it's the editor in me.

It's not that GTFOOH is wrong. But it begs the question: so what? Isn't 90% of most human activity ridiculous?

My dad collected stamps. My brother's a bible thumper. I'm into dogs and computers. Some people play fantasy sports all day. Others garden. And some crazy motherfuckers climb Half Dome.

To exert energy proclaiming that we're all pathetic is, well... pathetic.

Its true. I find that playing Tetris on my ITouch and eating sugar free ice pops is relaxing these days. Strange but true.

So say we all.

Frack'n A!

Did I say all? I did not. Nor did I say pathetic. I may be pathetic, but that's beside the point.

Quick screeds, they are.

Poking Squid is fun. I like him, even though he mostly rubs me the wrong way. Those long, paragraphed posts are just so...Squid. I know people like this. And it's fun to poke them, too.

Hey, well aware feeling isn't mutual. Proceed with the insults, or not. Amused either way..

I keep meaning to add cuckoo for cocoa puffs avatar. Maybe later.

Look at the monkey! 

If you read that post with a Yoda voice it's more fun.

That one's good. I still like Cuckoo.

Ooh, that's exactly what was in my head!

Are you askeered?