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The SOPA Bill

December 11 2011 at 5:41 PM
Stop the Machine  (no login)

What are your feelings about the SOPA bill - a bill congress wants to pass in order to censor the Internet?

Details on what SOPA is can be found here:


http://www.americancensorship.org/

 
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jiggy
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Re: The SOPA Bill

December 11 2011, 6:12 PM 

Seems like it could be a mess but, I agree with the spirit of what they're trying to do.

 
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AnonoGobble
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Re: The SOPA Bill

December 11 2011, 11:30 PM 

More like shooting yourself in the foot, if you ask me.

 
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jiggy
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Angels

Re: The SOPA Bill

December 12 2011, 12:11 AM 

I don't doubt that's how it will end up.
On the surface though, the stated goal is to stop piracy.
Website owners want to take the "I can't control what people put on my site" tactic but, in fact, they can. If you are too lazy to police your site, you shouldn't have one.

If I owned a brick and mortar needlepoint pillow shop but it was really used exclusively by my customers to pirate DVDs, my ass would go to jail.

That "THE SKY IS FALLING" website that you linked says that the man is trying to limit our free speech. I don't think stolen intellectual property is constitutionally protected.
They say it isn't fair to block add funding or not allowing online payments to your site selling stolen property because you didn't put it there but, in reality, the only reason you have any web traffic at all is because you allow stolen shit to be pirated on your website.



You're comparing apples and exceptionally bad taste -DJ

 
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AnonoGobble
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Re: The SOPA Bill

December 12 2011, 12:26 AM 

Okay Jiggy. From that perspective, I see where you are going. happy.gif

 
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jiggy
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Re: The SOPA Bill

December 12 2011, 12:39 AM 

I am all about no censorship on the intertubes and I am absolutely against service providers deciding what speeds you can get depending on what sites you visit but I am A-OK with putting a stop to online theft.

Not that I'm not guilty of it. I've just come to the realization that if people don't get paid for their work, they will stop working and the only "music" we'll have to listen to is a bunch of autotune crap made by hoards of bloggers that nobody has ever read.

I can pay 99 cents for a song I like or $5 for a movie. No problem.

You're comparing apples and exceptionally bad taste -DJ

 
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Hep C
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Re: The SOPA Bill

December 12 2011, 9:22 AM 

SOPA is very bad.

Jiggy's opinion is underinformed and dangerous. That is all. It's no surprise that the only people that support SOPA are lobbyists and people that don't know anything about it.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111122/04254316872/definitive-post-why-sopa-protect-ip-are-bad-bad-ideas.shtml


    
This message has been edited by Hepatitis_C on Dec 12, 2011 9:27 AM


 
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jiggy
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Re: The SOPA Bill

December 12 2011, 12:27 PM 

That was a good article and I see their point. It's too bad that the law would be used in ways it isn't intended but, I'm sure it would be.
I tend to be a little less "Chicken Little" in my views than the author of that article but I certainly can't say they are wrong.

So, I've changed my mind. SOPA is a bad idea.

 
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Hep C
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Re: The SOPA Bill

December 12 2011, 2:13 PM 

I figured that would be the case. That's why I chose to say you were underinformed rather than just wrong.

I do agree that the (alleged) principle behind the bill is commendable though.

I'm just very uncomfortable with the fact that the only thing stopping the giant media conglomerates from abusing the law if it is passed is their assurances that they won't. They have a terrible track record when it comes to digital rights so far.

The fact that sites are given absolutely no recourse when these media giants decide to "shut them off" is also unsettling. Todd's site is an overwhelming success in comparison to most independent websites, and I've no doubt that he would have very little chance against someone like Time Warner if some random exec there decided to shut him down. And the record of their Cease and Desist letters has clearly shown that piracy often has little to do with earning the ire of the big media companies.

It really doesn't matter. SOPA, or something like it, will be passed eventually. There is simply too much money behind it for it to not pass.

 
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Ginny
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Re: The SOPA Bill

December 12 2011, 2:29 PM 

Thanks for the info, I'll try and take a look at all this. I hadn't heard of it, I thought this was going to be a thread about Mexican soup.

 
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Anne
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Re: The SOPA Bill

January 15 2012, 12:46 PM 

I haven't had cable in years yet I've managed to watch all episodes of True Blood, Mad Men, Breaking Bad, Dexter, Walking Dead..etc all online for free. The amount of movies I've also watched? Who knows. Anyways of course I am guilty, guilty, guilty of what this bill is against 100%, or part of it. But when I watch the shows I watch them a day or so later, and the quality is only good for a computer. Sometimes the quality is kinda bad. I get ads that pop up while I'm watching them... People that want to see it as it airs, in HD, pay.

Aren't enough people still paying to go to the movies, still buying MP3's on itunes and going to concerts, and aren't there enough ads already on tv to keep things going with a percentage of freeloaders getting by under the radar?

A message about SOPA went up on craigslist a few days ago and that's when I first heard about it. Now the stuff about taking down craigslist because people want to sell stuff the mega corporations sell?? That's BS!

 
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Hep C
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Re: The SOPA Bill

January 17 2012, 1:37 PM 

A bunch of websites are shutting down tomorrow (18th) to protest/draw attention to SOPA.

Wikipedia and Reddit are the two getting the most attention, but a host of others are also agreeing to participate.

Twitter announced that they would not participate, apparently they can't afford to deprive people of a whole day of knowing what Kanye thought of his breakfast.

 
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Rainy
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Re: The SOPA Bill

January 17 2012, 2:57 PM 

Is Network 54 gonna blackout tomorrow?




 
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Hep C
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Re: The SOPA Bill

January 17 2012, 3:16 PM 

I doubt it.

 
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Arwen
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Re: The SOPA Bill

January 17 2012, 4:07 PM 

It might but it would be unrelated to anything the rest of the world is doing happy.gif

 
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Lea
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Re: The SOPA Bill

January 17 2012, 8:32 PM 

I better stay up all night and finish watching 'The Wire' on the free TV site.


Oh and LMFAO @ Ginny! Mexican soup. HA!

 
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Hep C
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Angels

Re: The SOPA Bill

January 18 2012, 11:20 AM 

I strongly recommend everyone go to Wikipedia today. They have a setup there that will easily allow you to contact your representatives and let them know that you are against SOPA and PIPA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

It is a small gesture, but better than nothing. A lot of money is behind SOPA and PIPA, but if there could be one thing out there that politicians value more than money, it might just be votes.

 
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Funk
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Re: The SOPA Bill

January 18 2012, 11:44 AM 

Hep, your uncharacteristic lack of apathy is disturbing. I sent a message to my representative, however the senate contact webpage is currently down. I hope it's because they are getting swamped with email.

 
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Hep C
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Angels

Re: The SOPA Bill

January 18 2012, 1:57 PM 

I know, right? I promise to go back to not giving a shit once this SOPA thing fades away.

Your AV made me think of this strip I found online the other day. I'm pretty sure it's a fake, but it would have made the perfect last strip for C & H and it says a lot about how we deal with "different" kids today.

[linked image]

 
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Arwen
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Re: The SOPA Bill

January 18 2012, 2:01 PM 

Oh my god that cartoon just about made me cry sad.gif

 
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