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The SOPA Bill

December 11 2011 at 5:41 PM
Stop the Machine  (no login)

What are your feelings about the SOPA bill - a bill congress wants to pass in order to censor the Internet?

Details on what SOPA is can be found here:


http://www.americancensorship.org/

 
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jiggy
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Re: The SOPA Bill

December 11 2011, 6:12 PM 

Seems like it could be a mess but, I agree with the spirit of what they're trying to do.

 
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AnonoGobble
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Re: The SOPA Bill

December 11 2011, 11:30 PM 

More like shooting yourself in the foot, if you ask me.

 
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jiggy
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Angels

Re: The SOPA Bill

December 12 2011, 12:11 AM 

I don't doubt that's how it will end up.
On the surface though, the stated goal is to stop piracy.
Website owners want to take the "I can't control what people put on my site" tactic but, in fact, they can. If you are too lazy to police your site, you shouldn't have one.

If I owned a brick and mortar needlepoint pillow shop but it was really used exclusively by my customers to pirate DVDs, my ass would go to jail.

That "THE SKY IS FALLING" website that you linked says that the man is trying to limit our free speech. I don't think stolen intellectual property is constitutionally protected.
They say it isn't fair to block add funding or not allowing online payments to your site selling stolen property because you didn't put it there but, in reality, the only reason you have any web traffic at all is because you allow stolen shit to be pirated on your website.



You're comparing apples and exceptionally bad taste -DJ

 
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AnonoGobble
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Re: The SOPA Bill

December 12 2011, 12:26 AM 

Okay Jiggy. From that perspective, I see where you are going. happy.gif

 
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jiggy
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Angels

Re: The SOPA Bill

December 12 2011, 12:39 AM 

I am all about no censorship on the intertubes and I am absolutely against service providers deciding what speeds you can get depending on what sites you visit but I am A-OK with putting a stop to online theft.

Not that I'm not guilty of it. I've just come to the realization that if people don't get paid for their work, they will stop working and the only "music" we'll have to listen to is a bunch of autotune crap made by hoards of bloggers that nobody has ever read.

I can pay 99 cents for a song I like or $5 for a movie. No problem.

You're comparing apples and exceptionally bad taste -DJ

 
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Angels

Re: The SOPA Bill

December 12 2011, 9:22 AM 

SOPA is very bad.

Jiggy's opinion is underinformed and dangerous. That is all. It's no surprise that the only people that support SOPA are lobbyists and people that don't know anything about it.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111122/04254316872/definitive-post-why-sopa-protect-ip-are-bad-bad-ideas.shtml

 
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jiggy
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Re: The SOPA Bill

December 12 2011, 12:27 PM 

That was a good article and I see their point. It's too bad that the law would be used in ways it isn't intended but, I'm sure it would be.
I tend to be a little less "Chicken Little" in my views than the author of that article but I certainly can't say they are wrong.

So, I've changed my mind. SOPA is a bad idea.

 
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Angels

Re: The SOPA Bill

December 12 2011, 2:13 PM 

I figured that would be the case. That's why I chose to say you were underinformed rather than just wrong.

I do agree that the (alleged) principle behind the bill is commendable though.

I'm just very uncomfortable with the fact that the only thing stopping the giant media conglomerates from abusing the law if it is passed is their assurances that they won't. They have a terrible track record when it comes to digital rights so far.

The fact that sites are given absolutely no recourse when these media giants decide to "shut them off" is also unsettling. Todd's site is an overwhelming success in comparison to most independent websites, and I've no doubt that he would have very little chance against someone like Time Warner if some random exec there decided to shut him down. And the record of their Cease and Desist letters has clearly shown that piracy often has little to do with earning the ire of the big media companies.

It really doesn't matter. SOPA, or something like it, will be passed eventually. There is simply too much money behind it for it to not pass.

 
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Ginny
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Re: The SOPA Bill

December 12 2011, 2:29 PM 

Thanks for the info, I'll try and take a look at all this. I hadn't heard of it, I thought this was going to be a thread about Mexican soup.

 
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Anne
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Re: The SOPA Bill

January 15 2012, 12:46 PM 

I haven't had cable in years yet I've managed to watch all episodes of True Blood, Mad Men, Breaking Bad, Dexter, Walking Dead..etc all online for free. The amount of movies I've also watched? Who knows. Anyways of course I am guilty, guilty, guilty of what this bill is against 100%, or part of it. But when I watch the shows I watch them a day or so later, and the quality is only good for a computer. Sometimes the quality is kinda bad. I get ads that pop up while I'm watching them... People that want to see it as it airs, in HD, pay.

Aren't enough people still paying to go to the movies, still buying MP3's on itunes and going to concerts, and aren't there enough ads already on tv to keep things going with a percentage of freeloaders getting by under the radar?

A message about SOPA went up on craigslist a few days ago and that's when I first heard about it. Now the stuff about taking down craigslist because people want to sell stuff the mega corporations sell?? That's BS!

 
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Angels

Re: The SOPA Bill

January 17 2012, 1:37 PM 

A bunch of websites are shutting down tomorrow (18th) to protest/draw attention to SOPA.

Wikipedia and Reddit are the two getting the most attention, but a host of others are also agreeing to participate.

Twitter announced that they would not participate, apparently they can't afford to deprive people of a whole day of knowing what Kanye thought of his breakfast.

 
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Devils

Re: The SOPA Bill

January 17 2012, 2:57 PM 

Is Network 54 gonna blackout tomorrow?




 
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Angels

Re: The SOPA Bill

January 17 2012, 3:16 PM 

I doubt it.

 
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Arwen
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January 17 2012, 4:07 PM 

It might but it would be unrelated to anything the rest of the world is doing happy.gif

 
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Lea
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Re: The SOPA Bill

January 17 2012, 8:32 PM 

I better stay up all night and finish watching 'The Wire' on the free TV site.


Oh and LMFAO @ Ginny! Mexican soup. HA!

 
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Angels

Re: The SOPA Bill

January 18 2012, 11:20 AM 

I strongly recommend everyone go to Wikipedia today. They have a setup there that will easily allow you to contact your representatives and let them know that you are against SOPA and PIPA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

It is a small gesture, but better than nothing. A lot of money is behind SOPA and PIPA, but if there could be one thing out there that politicians value more than money, it might just be votes.

 
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Funk
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Re: The SOPA Bill

January 18 2012, 11:44 AM 

Hep, your uncharacteristic lack of apathy is disturbing. I sent a message to my representative, however the senate contact webpage is currently down. I hope it's because they are getting swamped with email.

 
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Angels

Re: The SOPA Bill

January 18 2012, 1:57 PM 

I know, right? I promise to go back to not giving a shit once this SOPA thing fades away.

Your AV made me think of this strip I found online the other day. I'm pretty sure it's a fake, but it would have made the perfect last strip for C & H and it says a lot about how we deal with "different" kids today.

[linked image]

 
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Arwen
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Re: The SOPA Bill

January 18 2012, 2:01 PM 

Oh my god that cartoon just about made me cry sad.gif

 
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Anny
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Angels

Re: The SOPA Bill

January 18 2012, 2:11 PM 

Wow! I love that.





 
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Lea
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Re: The SOPA Bill

January 18 2012, 3:43 PM 

uuugh. booo.

Its like the movie, Drop Dead Fred. One of my all-time faves. I had a megabitch in my life for a while that tried to suck the life out of me as well.

 
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Ginny
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Re: The SOPA Bill

January 18 2012, 4:50 PM 

[linked image]

 
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Bider Spite
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Devils

Re: The SOPA Bill

January 18 2012, 5:04 PM 

Lol Ginny! That is awesome.

"Ta Friggin da"




 
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Angels

Re: The SOPA Bill

January 19 2012, 12:22 PM 

So, when the collective light of the internet shone upon them, the bought politicians scurried away like roaches, leaving their corporate benefactors bitter and resigned to making angry, hypocritical tweets on one of the very sites they sought to police.

But, much like actual roaches, they will be back tomorrow night as the corporate gluttons spread more breadcrumbs across the floor for them. Give them 4 to 6 months and some other RIAA and MPAA "sponsored" (ie, bought and paid for) bill that will basically be SOPA or PIPA under a different acronym will rear it's bestial maw, intent on devouring free speech on the internet. That's one thing about rich, old men upon which you can always count: their unrelenting desire to control everything.

Sorry about the analogy, I meant no disrespect to actual cockroaches.

 
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AnonoBoom
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Re: The SOPA Bill

January 19 2012, 12:57 PM 

There's a way to monetize the internet by controlling it, and by god they are going to find it.

 
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Devils

Re: The SOPA Bill

January 19 2012, 1:33 PM 

I was most shocked through all this to learn that Chris Dodd is now head of the MPAA.

Nice parachute gig for that guy.

 
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smirk
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Re: The SOPA Bill

January 20 2012, 7:43 AM 

Re: Megaupload - if they're getting other countries to arrest people for us and shut down websites why do we need this again?

So does this mean anytime a murder is committed in America via firearm we will be closing down gun shops and arresting the owners?

I know someone who was almost murdered with a ball-peen hammer back in the 90's by a psycho. Close down Home Depot!




 
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Devils

Re: The SOPA Bill

January 20 2012, 9:04 AM 

Exactly, if corporations are now people, can we also give them the death penalty?

 
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Angels

Re: The SOPA Bill

January 20 2012, 9:49 AM 

It's too bad that Anon is basically a loose collective of gifted children. I'd like to see them a little more organized and focused.

Some of these corporations that are so determined to control the internet need to lose their online privileges permanently. Let's see how much they like it when some online entity to which they cannot appeal decides that their websites must be shut off.

 
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Cornbread McIncest
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Re: The SOPA Bill

January 20 2012, 10:05 AM 

You can still get your pr0n the old fashioned way, right?

Imagine the spike in productivity if the internet wasn't so much fun. We might be able to keep China from taking over! At least, that one guy is really afraid of that happening. Not that he's wearing a tin foil hat or anything.

 
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smirk
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Re: The SOPA Bill

January 20 2012, 10:06 AM 

Doesn't Anonymous in fact have to be a loose collective of gifted children in order to operate - otherwise they'd be caught and so much for rebel alliance.

 
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Devils

Re: The SOPA Bill

January 20 2012, 10:09 AM 

If the Internet was less fun, I'd just put the LAN back up and load Duke Nukem cooperative play back on it.

Or head back to the water cooler to talk about last night's friends episode.

Or have a three martini lunch.

Productivity is still way higher now.

 
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smirk
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Re: The SOPA Bill

January 20 2012, 10:11 AM 

Oh, the three martini lunch. Why haste thou forsaken my generation?

 
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Cornbread McIncest
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Re: The SOPA Bill

January 20 2012, 10:36 AM 

I've been wet-blanketeded!

This is my rifle, this is my gun..

 
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smirk
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Re: The SOPA Bill

January 20 2012, 10:48 AM 

There's an internet bud who sends me concert bootlegs constantly - not illegal btw - and uses Megaupload. 5 minutes ago he sent me a link to a new bootleg - using sendshack.

Great job, Everyone! Hit 'em where it hurts! Beers all around!

 
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Angels

Re: The SOPA Bill

January 20 2012, 12:04 PM 

Yeah, I don't really care about MegaUpload. It was used primarily for piracy and the founder/owner did seem like both a major douche and a criminal hacker.

But the effort is pretty much wasted because it didn't slow piracy down for a second.

 
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Angels

Re: The SOPA Bill

January 20 2012, 10:55 AM 

People will always find ways to avoid actually working.

They've been doing since long before the internet. The internet probably makes us more productive, since we don't have to leave our desks to fuck off. In my parents day, they had to sneak out of the office to avoid work.

In all seriousness, some of the recent twitter comments from the powers behind SOPA reveal their thinly-veiled contempt for both the internet in general and the people that ultimately purchase their products.

Apparently, the the next step in the conflict is to remind them they are essentially attacking the people that keep them in hot tubs and hookers:

[linked image]

Here's a link to a readable version:
http://www.funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/3204510/Black+March/

I've been seeing that pop up everywhere in the past 12 hours.

 
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Funk
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Devils

Re: The SOPA Bill

January 20 2012, 11:57 AM 

Good job Funk Smirk! I'm surprised at how fitting that gunshop analogy is.


 
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Angels

Re: The SOPA Bill

January 20 2012, 12:09 PM 

Here's another good one:

[linked image]

 
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smirk
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Re: The SOPA Bill

January 24 2012, 10:37 AM 

Thank God, its over! Never again will the government threaten internet liberty.

That said, look at this piece of wonderment!

Protecting Children from Internet Pornographers Act of 2011

This one will require ISP's to keep records of all YOUR internet usage for 18 months.

The best thing about it, is if a congressman votes against it it totally means he's for child porn!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protecting_Children_from_Internet_Pornographers_Act_of_2011

 
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Angels

Re: The SOPA Bill

January 24 2012, 11:30 AM 

"Obtaining the information would only require suspicion of any crime (as opposed to child pornography specifically) and not require probable cause."

The the name is nothing but a smokescreen.

The way it is worded, a cop could suspect you of jaywalking and look up your internet usage for the past 18 months.

Or, how it is probably really intended: They can suspect you of illegally downloading copyrighted material, and look up your internet usage for the past 18 months. And by they, I mean the giant media conglomerates that own the police and are really sponsoring this bill. If you are naive enough to think that police would never allow private companies to insert themselves into a criminal investigation, read up a little on the lost Iphone prototype debacle a few years back. Local cops actually let Apple employees search a citizen's apartment.

And for those of you thinking, "So what? I don't illegally download copyrighted material," remember that high band-with usage often constitutes suspicion is these cases. So if you do a lot of online gaming, or have family members that watch a lot of Netflix, you better enjoy having law-enforcement employees (or their corporate surrogates)looking at everything you do on the internet - including your passwords, bank accounts, credit card numbers, etc.

Sounds fun, right?

 
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smirk
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Re: The SOPA Bill

January 24 2012, 11:41 AM 

Think of the children!

 
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Funk
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Devils

Re: The SOPA Bill

January 24 2012, 11:43 AM 

This bill is sponsored by the same senator, Lamar Smith (R, TX) who co-sponsored SOPA. I'm really beginning to dislike him, and suspect he may have been bought by MPAA and their ilk.

His Wikipedia link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamar_S._Smith


He seems to really have an issue with people having personal freedom.


 
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Angels

Re: The SOPA Bill

January 24 2012, 12:26 PM 

Not to mention that the actual pirates and pedos use proxies, piggyback on unsecured wi-fi, private networks, and a multitude of other tricks to avoid being caught, so the bill isn't really going to be very effective at what it is barely pretending to be for anyway.

Lamar Smith is a shill and a scumbag. He's from Texas - which is all you really need to say, but I'll say more anyway. As Chairman of the House Committee on the Judiciary, he's been a key factor in the blocking of even allowing congress to consider any bills concerning the decriminalization or legalization of marijuana. At the same time, one of his significant contributors is the Beer, Wine and Liquor Lobby.

He has been a sponsor, or co-sponsor to almost every bill that has been fronted my media companies to control or monitor the internet usage of private citizens. In spite of massive protests by the people, he has sworn to move ahead with pushing SOPA down our throats.


Take a look at his voting record if you don't believe that he's an awful human:

http://www.votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27097/

 
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