My vet told me my dog tore his ACL and would never be right again without surgery and blah blah blah.
Within days, he wss fine. And this was a 10 year old dog, at the time. They even did that whole "grab the leg and see how much the knee is moving here" thing. What a load that was. I think that's one of the most over-diagnosed things out there, next to "the liver enzymes are imbalanced. Let's run $500 worth of tests so I can tell you we found nothing."
Gee anon. Thanks for sharing that! My vet told me that he no longer does the ACL surgery as he was never satisfied with the results. He said he would refer me to a specialist and that the surgery runs about $2K. ugh. I started to tear up because as a Pastry Baker I make just enough to get by these days. He then told me that in older dogs he does not always recommend surgery and that there has been some luck treating dogs conservatively with pain killers and anti-inflammatories.
I'd go the conservative route if I were you. Dogs are surprisingly resilient and it sounds like you have a really good vet. Read up on the anti-inflammatories and see what you feel is a good option for you; it's what we did and it worked out well.
I stopped letting vets scare me into doing things in the heat of the moment. Letting things calm down and watching his progress made a big difference for what turned out to be several little things later in life. Until cancer, in our case.
Sebie tore one at age 6 and one at age 7. Two years, nearly $6k in surgeries.
I don't think he ever would have healed on his own from either of those. He would have been a three legged walker for the entire 2nd half of his life had we not fixed him. I heard/saw him do it both times, and it was a real 'pop' - so it's not always a scam.
He seems to be getting a little better. The vet told me that if Tek were younger then he would definitely recommend the surgery. Im glad that your dogs recovered, Squid, and that you had $6,000 to spend on them.
Dogs managed to domesticate and flourish for thousands of years, but now if I don't have his teeth cleaned (including surgery-level sedation), I'm some kind of monster that wants my dog to die of tooth decay making it's way to his heart. It's laughable, really. I have furry kids. I'd lie down in the road for them, but as God is my witness, they're not going to lick me. I'm going to live through this and when it's all over, I'll never be scammed again. No, nor any of my folk.
I mean, we've increased ours by 40 years or so by getting better at things like brushing our teeth and taking showers with soap?
Sure - dogs survived, but a bunch of them died too. Those were the 'weak' in a true Darwinian environment - which our households are not really, are they?
But I'd like him to live to 12 or 14 or whatever his breed can manage. And I'd like him to walk on four legs for 90% of that time I guess.
And thanks Lea - but I didn't really have it, believe me. It freakin' HURT, and honestly continues to hurt. He cost as much in that calendar year as it did to give birth to Declan, and we only paid 25% of THAT cost! That or about the same as it costs to have Addy in preschool just three days a week over the same time period.
Not to mention, that because he's a Rotty/Boxer, and MA sucks with their fucking "danger dog list" (both his parents are on it) - I can't get homeowner's insurance from any dealer other than the Mass State system that insures the uninsurable, which is at least 2x higher than normal cost. So I calculate if he lives another 7 years, he'll have cost me around $25k in total.
Yeesh. But what do you do? Put him to sleep because he's expensive? Give him away as a 7 year old dog in a state where no one wants him for the reasons given above? On a cost basis, I've just come to terms with the fact that I have FOUR children.
The dog mentioned above lived to 14. Never had a teeth cleaning that seemed so desperately needed and repeatedly recommended. He ate hard stuff and chewed on sticks. Never even lost a tooth. Itthink a lot of it has to do with us becoming affluent as a society, the outrageous money spent on pets. Nothing wrong with it, if you can afford it. If you can't, wait and see. I do both, depending on the sitch. I got duped into more "tests" than I can count before I took a step back. And believe me, dogs in my house are taken care of. My latest one spent first five months of her life sleeping in a concrete cage (after being found in a ditch). Now she sleeps on a king sized bed, with a pillow.
Kudos to you for keeping your dog with kids to feed and clothe/that level of expense. Not everyone would.
The vet did say that if Tek were to get the surgery it did not have to be right away. I could try the conservative route first and if that did not work then I could elect to have the surgery. People have been telling me that there are communities that will help out with the costs. Also, I adopted him from a no-kill shelter as an older dog so I am going to check with them to see if they can help at all if it turns out that he does need surgery in the long run. The deal is that I adopted him for better or for worse. He was abandoned once and will not be abandoned by me in ANY capacity. He is a very loved dog and may well have saved my life a time or two. I am going to do my very best for him because he deserves nothing less. I welcome any ideas, suggestions, stories, and/or messages of hope.
I feel sorry for the doggie that didn't get a treat. Would it have killed you guy?
My cat Diego got hit by a car. $1400.00 later. I told a coworker about it and what it cost and he said "What kind of cat is it?" and I said "What do you mean? Like breed?" and he said "No. Like is it made out of gold?"
It happens. You know it. I've never gone to the Petsmart style vet, so I can't speak to that. All I can tell you is what road I've been down. As a pet owner for 20 plus years, I think I've wracked up enough experience to see what's what out there.
Vet: Could be nothing, could be CANCER.
Me, years ago, crying: No, no! Here's my wallet.
Vet, twisting mustache: Just another day at the office!
Really? Is that how it reads? I'm not telling anybody not to treat their pet, nor would anybody listen to me anyway, I'm sure. All vets are not scum, but I have encountered them. The CANCER vet? Got fired from the clinic I was using at the time. I had the misfortune of seeing him. Another? Put my dog under anesthesia, then called me to say oops, the surgeon isn't in today. Can you come get him, bring him back tomorrow? Then there's the ACL thing. See? How it's moving? He'll never walk on it again. I could go on, but I won't. It took me a long time to find a place I felt I could trust.
All I said was: don't do anything in the heat of the moment. I'd say the same thing to a person getting told something devastating by a doctor. You're in charge. Do what's right for YOU.
I mailed my ~banzai~ cat to Maestras businesses' cat pruning service and have yet to receive Mr. Wookums back. I put at least two airholes in the box and even included a waste portal. FedEX confirmed delivery well before the Holidays, so I know he arrived. If the vet takes much longer I am concerned he will outgrow his vase.
I agree with sweet cheeks. We've had this debate before on this board, and maestra is a nice girl and a good person, but I think if you go to a big fancy vets office there's lots of overhead so they have to preform lots of services. And yes my dog has been sedated and teeth cleaned. Hundreda. Of dollars.
YEARS ago I took my dog to the vet for a lump on his face and just what someone said... The vet said"could be nothing could be CANCER". I was so disgusted with her approach I told her if it was cancer we'd just better put him down right now, stop his suffering. She was taken aback, but she STILL called the house a few times to see if I wanted to schedule the (five hundred dollar) biopsy.
Meanwhile I took him to a country vet who said it he thought it was a fatty lumps lots of older dogs get, and watch go see if it changes. Years later still there and nothing...