Basically, Bider, Komen decided to defund Planned Parenthood.
But I read this today:
"Donors reacting to the Susan G. Komen Foundations decision to cut off funding to Planned Parenthood contributed $650,000 in 24 hours, nearly enough to replace last years Komen funding, Planned Parenthood executives said Wednesday."
That makes me very happy.
This message has been edited by AnnyBoo on Feb 2, 2012 1:55 PM
Like two years ago, I was walking in a breast cancer walk (with Avon Foundation, not Komen) and some middle aged fat white guy in a crappy import screamed at me from the window of the moving car "SUSAN KOMEN SUPPORTS ABORTIONS!!!" I am not 100% sure, but the research I did, the money from Avon went mostly to local cancer research institutes.
I wasn't even walking for Komen. The Fox news types have had it out for them for years for giving money to planned parenthood for mammograms for low income women. Finally they caved and stopped. Which is a shame. I read someplace that planned parenthood spends like 3% of their annual budget on abortions. The rest of it is general women's health. Another example of stupidity hurting us all. I wish Komen wouldn't have caved, and wish even more they had handled it better (one of the higher ups tweeted something about "pro-abotionist crybabies").
Basically, they have managed to piss everyone off and make themselves look like asses.
So Komen gives money to PP - none of which is used to fund abortions, but all of which is used to pre-screen young women and poor women for breast cancer. PP is the ONLY health care many women in America have access to.
For years Komen worries about the link to abortion that goes with funding any part of Planned Parenthood, but decides that they just can't ditch this important access point to so many women.
Then they hire Karen Handel, a former gubernatorial candidate from Georgia who is staunchly anti-abortion and who has said that since she is "pro-life, I do not support the mission of Planned Parenthood." It gets racheted up. The management team votes to keep funding PP. The board votes to de-fund them. In there they hatch this bullshit policy of not funding "any organization under investigation by local, state or federal authorities."
All that's required for an 'investigation' is for a pro-life legislator to stand up and say, 'I want this investigated!' - which is exactly what happened to PP, and of the 2,000 or so Komen grantees, PP is the ONLY one for whom this rule applies. Insiders say that if not this rule specifically, SOME rule would have been engineer to do what Handel wanted.
Now it's a social media shit storm, given that in a recent NYT poll, only 23% of Americans think Abortion should not be permitted (37 generally available/ 37 available with more restrictions).
For myself, I'm hearing a lot more stories these days about Abortion maneuvers from the right. The "Personhood" movement, this, and others - are we heading for a 2012 where the right tries to revive abortion as it's Presidential election wedge issue, now that they've lost on gay marriage, and they're not going to have a candidate that energizes (and in fact probably demotivates) the religious conservative base?
Bleh, I hope not. I think it'll fail miserably too - and we'll have 4 more years!
I've learned the latest politi-speak: wedge issue. I was looking around about the info on Handel and this organization and BAM. I predict Colbert has one of those segments with 50 different pundits all using that word in the near future. Funny.
I can't understand why they hired her in the first place. I've heard good and bad things about Komen. I'm not in love with the whiff of corporate-ness, the litigiousness, nor the culty flavor they have. I believe I'd rather give me money directly to Planned Parenthood anyway, should that be my charity of choice.
In the words of one of the great philosophers of our time, George Carlin:
If you're pre-born, you're fine, if you're pre-schooled, you're fucked. Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. Pro-life, these people aren't pro-life, they're killing doctors, what kind of pro-life is that? What, they'll do everything they can do save a fetus, but if it grows up to be a doctor they just might have to kill it?
That hack doesn't sound very creative. I'll bet we could come up with something better! Man, I wish I'd been a hacker. Think of all the evil in the name of good I could do!
For a second on your link, where it said "Official resigns.." I thought it was going to tell me Handel had resigned over the flap. No such luck, it was just about Mollie Williams who resigned over this before the decision went public.
I developed an issue with the Komen Foundation last year or maybe the year before when I read they'd spent HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS of donated money, donated to research a cure for cancer, on legal fees to ensure that no one else was allowed to use the words "for the cure". NO ONE. Those words belong to the Komen Foundation and NO ONE ELSE. What a bunch of fucking assholery. Like donating money to a different cause, still one to fight cancer, was a bad thing. All donated money should be theirs.....ALL THEIRS.
I watched a clip of Stephen Colbert doing his Wag the Finger bit about it this morning (someone brought up this Komen Foundation douchebag move after the flak over the PP defunding was announced)
Thank you, Squid, for clearing up my confusion about the issue. I wasn't exactly sure why they'd stopped the funding.
I don't really have an opinion (aside from "wow that was stupid" and "holy crap I'm glad for our health care system") but I thought I'd c&p what a friend of mine (who had breast cancer last year) posted about the whole thing:
"Heres what I have to say about the Komen mess: I am disappointed in the Komen Foundation for withdrawing their grants to Planned Parenthood. But, I refuse to countenance any remarks that imply Komen doesnt care about women. Of course the Susan G. Komen Foundation cares about women they have done more for a disease that overwhelmingly affects women than any charitable foundation ever. Yeah, they kind of suck lately, and I dont like the pink shit and I feel like theyve gotten off track, but Komen has made an enormous difference in the lives of women with breast cancer. Theyve raised awareness so high that people have breast cancer fatigue. People roll their eyes and mutter when people put the pink ribbons in their avatars. Thats a problem colon cancer would love to have.
When I worked for the Catholic hospital and we participated in the Race for the Cure (tee em) we had to send the Bishop a copy of Komens form letter (they had a form letter, so this has been going on for some time) that explained how all money donated to Planned Parenthood went toward mammography. Every single year. Even a WHIFF of abortion was enough to make our Catholic Health System wary. Catholics run the majority of the larger non-profit hospital systems, you know. If Komen doesnt care about womens health, then every single Catholic hospital out there doesnt care about womens health. So if youre going to boycott Komen, also make sure youre not heading to St. Whatevers Emergency Room with preeclampsia or an ectopic pregnancy because theyll be putting you in an ambulance and sending you to a baby-killer hospital for treatment.
Susan G. Komen aside, fight the real enemy. Work to get progressive pro-choice women in office and in positions of influence. Vote for the pro-choice woman every time and if theres no woman on the ballot, consider running yourself. When you vote, make pro-choice your issue, not taxes. And dont be an asshole pro-choice means pro-choice. Women who want to have fourteen kids have the right to do so and women who only want to have one arent depriving their child of the joys of siblings. Dont label women who dont want kids. Dont judge a fifty-year-old woman who decides to use in-vitro or a surrogate to have a baby. Shrug and say Not my business when someone you know elects to be induced or have a voluntary c-section or not breastfeed."
There are very few organizations worth donating to once you look into them deeply enough.
It's a sad truth, but once you get into the business of collecting donations, using those donations properly is almost never your first priority.
The only time I've ever donated to a charity was when our 1st Sergeant literally forced everyone in our recon unit to give a portion of our pay to a charity so our unit would have 100% philanthropy compliance. I donated the minimum I could to NORML, because they were on our list of choices and most likely to piss him off.
I'm not opposed to charity per se. The cynic in me just believes that most charitable organizations are crooked as fuck.
I would be bullshit once I found out that the money I gave to combat breast cancer was used to sue people that tried to use the phrase "for the cure". And almost every major charitable organization has a tale just as shady.
I dunno, the one I did I looked at where the bulk of the money raised was going. It was going to the John Wayne Cancer institute and the UCLA Johansen Cancer Institute. They let us go on tours of both, where they explained what the funds were being used for. It was very interesting. I had very few qualms about donating my time, effort and money. I really am afraid that this kind of crap leads to that mentality, though, which sucks.
Never in any of my posts did I say to do nothing. I said giving to major charitable organizations isn't the best way to go, imo. If you notice, I never even tried to throw anyone under the bus about it. You know, the way you did with your "how noble" dig?
I do things to help out my community, but giving money to an organization whose primary focus is collecting money isn't one of those things and I listed my reasons why.
I'm glad you feel better than me because you sign a check every now and then. Way to put yourself out there and go that extra mile to help. Must be an exhausting effort.
It's funny how people that do so little always want to make it into a pissing contest about how great they are.
There were a lot of criticisms of Komen before this. I don't think it is fair to lump a "charity" that has gotten WAY too corporate for it's own good with every organization that engages in fundraising. It was a small part of the reason I chose not to do their walk. The larger reason was, it took three days instead of Avon's two, and the fundraising requirement was nearly $1000 more.
I've donated to Autism Speaks, Big Brothers Big Sisters, and Heifer.org in the recent past, and I don't feel like a sucker for any of those, either.
Well, Caps, I can say you were VERY generous with your donation to me and I believe donated more than any other one person. I couldn't have done that walk without you and appreciate it greatly. Even if your donation got completely flushed down the toilet, you got a fat chick to walk 40 miles and that's something.
I appreciate the kind sentiments. I don't know if "incredible" is the right word, but what the hell, I'll take it.
I actually agree with Hep to a point. There is a great deal of fraud and waste, under the umbrella of charity. I don't give money to hardly any charity, without doing some homework. In fact, any charity that wants more than about $5.00 outta me, I have to be personally, tangibly involved with. That's why I really only give money to BBBS.
So I guess I would say, if you're concerned about who you're giving your money to, then get involved in some way. Because viewing an index like Charity Navigator, can only give you so much to go on. Numbers are important, but only a tiny part of the story.
As far as the Komen charity goes, this woman is a politician's politician. How can a person talk for 3 1/2 minutes and not say a god damned thing? How do you talk about a mischaracterization, without actually mentioning the subject that's being mischaracterized, namely the grants to Planned Parenthood?? If her goal was to clear the air regarding the politicization of their grant giving, I give her the epic fail of the day.
apparently internet kvetching is more effective than I realized. I think the damage is already done, though. This was a floodgate for all the complaints people have had about them for a long time.
..NEW YORK (AP) After three days of controversy, the Susan G. Komen for the Cure breast-cancer charity says it is reversing its decision to cut breast-screening grants to Planned Parenthood.
"We want to apologize to the American public for recent decisions that cast doubt upon our commitment to our mission of saving women's lives," a Komen statement said.
As first reported by The Associated Press on Tuesday, Komen had adopted criteria excluding Planned Parenthood from grants because it was under government investigation, notably a probe launched in Congress at the urging of anti-abortion groups.
Komen said Friday it would change the criteria so it wouldn't apply to such investigations.
"We will continue to fund existing grants, including those of Planned Parenthood, and preserve their eligibility to apply for future grants," the statement said.
So reading a WaPo article today makes me think I have it exactly backwards.
It's not the Republicans who want to make abortion a wedge issue in 2012, it's the Democrats. Apparently all those incursions against choice have happened since the 2010 elections, where Dems got their asses handed to them primarily because women didn't turn out to vote. So whereas in 2008 there was a huge gender gap that helped sweep Obama into office, in 2010 there was no gender gap because women didn't really show.
SO...since then in 2011 this happens, thanks to the Tea Party takeover everywhere at every level:
Now the pro-choice community finally has a way to energize its base. That and now the Komen thing, and boo-ya, a way to get Independent women and Dem women to the polls in 2012. PP's fundraising is up, so is NARAL's and so is EMILY's list.
So, I think I was wrong - I was right that the Reps shouldn't want this conversation, because they LOSE it, but I was wrong that it's not coming because the Dems know they win it, and they want to leverage it.
In my first marriage, we pooped and farted around each other.
In my second marriage, we do not. There is no pretending that these things don't happen, but there is a recognition that as sentient beings we have some control over where and when they happen, and that it's generally most pleasant for everyone if these things are done alone. There have been a few 'accidents' on the farting front, and I sometimes threaten a dutch oven in dire circumstances - but I have yet to cross that line.
Now, I won't correlate marriage success to this single item, but it's working so far!
Why would I volunteer false personal information on a message board? It doesn't make sense. I would've just remained silent. Eureka! I've discovered the correlation. Here anon, perhaps you would find yourself "flying solo" less frequently if you kept these handy.
Yeah, but only because I know I can fix them later. I will reap the whirlwind for having played the 'pull my finger' game for certain.
I already sorely regret teaching Addy what a 'wet willie' is. We had to agree to no more than one a day. She never fucking forgets though. It's so funny - the laugh she laughs before and after executing a wet willie is like no other laugh, so it's been worth it so far to accept a little ear spittle.
Also - this just in from Sunday: Declan's first word: "Da-da"
WOOT - 2 of 3 kids did Da-da first! Da-da: 2, Ma-ma: 1
Whenever I see a little kid on the bus, I always stick my tongue out at them if I can attract their attention. They usually smile and do it back and we play like that for a while. Then the parent notices and the kid gets in a little bit of trouble because it's rude and no one ever suspects me as having started it
The more I learn about the Komen organization, the more I think it needs to go. It's huge, bureaucratic, litigious, easily manipulated by whimsical political maneuvers, and you can't get a strait answer out of them to save you life.
Karen Handel was a well known, very vocal abortion opponent, prior to getting hired by the Komen people. And while she spearheaded the campaign to stop giving grants to PP, she didn't act unilaterally, not by a long shot.
And BTW, Nancy Brinker, Their CEO, who was in the video I posted earlier, made 417K last year. And their former CEO, Hala Moddelmog, who logged ZERO hours, was paid 277K!!??
I think you're right, but it's human nature to need a kick in the groin before we'll believe something like this. Particularly when it concerns an organization that proclaims to be doing good. But for me personally, it reinforces my long held belief that huge charities tend to exist to enrich themselves. So before you give them your hard earned dollars, you should do some digging.
Locally, the Marin Human Society, which is a model for the rest of the country, has a CEO making half a million. I still like what they do, but their fund raising drives can get bent.
I think merely looking at salary amounts could skew your analysis.
For me its inputs to outputs.
I'd pay a womwn half a million a year to raise $100 million to fight AIDS. If she's that good, someone in the market will pay her to be that good, and that's capitalism. I'm not opposed to big salaries when tied to positive performance. It's the big salaries for failing that blow me away.
This message has been edited by SquiddyBoy on Feb 7, 2012 4:17 PM
I get the math. But there's an inherent understanding that nonprofit work is not compensated using the same formulas as in the commercial world.
And again, is the emphasis on growth, or the core mission? It's been my experience that larger organizations tend to loose site of their core values when fund-raising and growth come into play. And it doesn't bode well when you're asking middle class people for their pocket change, when your CEO takes home a comfortable corporate salary.
That being said, The CEO of BBBS makes 375K and brings in a lot less than Komen. But BBBS is divided up into regional chapters, so I'm not sure how that works on the financial front. (Still not crazy about the high salary though) I just know from first hand experience that the money goes to helping kids, so I don't blink about donating to them.
Honestly, I think my half a million example qualifies perfectly under your "makes less than corporate CEO's" requirement - though I might take issue that one should be rewarded far more for selling Doritos well than for helping to rid the world of AIDS....
The end goal of growth in the nonprofit world is "bring your idea to scale" - i.e. help as many people as possible. So, at some point the BBBSofA probably started as the BB of Akron or whatever, and someone thought, "This should be national..." and they did, and look at all the good they've done as a result.
So growth isn't ostensibly for the purposes of a nonprofit jobs program in most group's mind - but it's of course undeniable that many get lost along the way, and the proportion of crooks an liars in the NP world is probably only slightly less than that of the population average.
I've definitely run into the "What, you expect me to work hard? It's a nonprofit, man..." mentality plenty. That gets the wake up call, and then usually the walking papers 30 days later.
* Didn't mean to be anon.
This message has been edited by SquiddyBoy on Feb 8, 2012 10:41 AM