If somebody edits a post of yours and you'd like to protest the edit. Please post a formal complaint in a NEW THREAD on the board regarding the edit.
I will review the edited post and be judge and jury if the said edit in question is justified. And hand out justice accordingly.
Starting today, if you edit someone's post just to bust their chops and the busted chops party posts a complaint post-- the chop buster will permanently lose editing privileges.
If you do not have editing privileges and would like editing privileges you most post on this thread requesting such privileges.
Note: Editing powers is not about being loosey goosey. They're about keeping the board free of spam and a convenience in case you'd like to change your own post. Think three times before editing someone else's post because that edit might be your last.
According to this, I see nothing about any of the edits I've made! No anon can post an edit complaint can they? How would we know it was actually them? What regular is going to complain on behalf of an Anon - especially when they can't even see what WAS there and don't really know how bad it was or wasn't?
The only one editing logged in posters is Appy, and several have officially complained!
None of my edits were loosey goosey, they all eliminated something nasty and worthless from the board!
These rules are completely consistent with my actions.
If an "anon" complains, how can it prove that it is the person that was actually edited? They can't...anons are by definition faceless, nameless, and without traceable history.
I apologize for that, Appy. I was going for shock value and regretted it. I was going to edit it this morning, but it appears someone deleted that whole thread.
Thats the part I disagree with, either edit all the things (insert meme) or none of them. Why does DJ (and others) get to behave in ways anon gets edited for? There shouldnot be two sets of rules, and if you don't want to be called nasty names, start by not using them yourself.
I think all posts which are offensive in a personal way should get deleted by the moderators. That may seem old fashioned of me, but it soon gets rid of the bad behaviour in my experience.
Because they have measurable value to the community beyond a single post.
They have ten years of friendships and history here that any given action can be measured against.
They ARE more than the anons. They're the actual members of this community.
The rules SHOULD be different for DJ than they are for some random jerk - or even worse some NOT random jerk who's just being cowardly for that moment.
Do you ever get tired of repeating yourself? I ask because clearly nothing ever changes. I've been reading your wild west analogy for nigh on 40 years.
Honestly though, I was just looking at my wall saying - Go back to work Squid, this is devolving to that well-traveled place again, and you haven't laughed in 20 minutes or so.
And ED is asking for unicorns and rainbows all around and that will make you hurl if he keeps it up.
Also, named posters are all accountable in some way for what they post. They can be called on it, lose or gain friendships, dogpiled, banninated, etc. Inherently, anons have no accountability to deter them from posting whatever nastiness they want. Deleting is the only effective deterrent.
Well, fortunately you've already gotten one apology from Liz.
You can ask Troo and DJ (or whomever else said something you didn't like) for apologies personally, because you know who they are and how to find them here, or even on email.
I expect you'll probably have to apologize as well if you want them to take back some of what they said. But hey, that's how real life (non fake cowardly anon internet) relationships work, right?
Did I say anything that offended you, or was my stuff all just in that "the truth hurts" category? You've still not apologized for editing my stuff, I've noted.
I'm not sorry for calling her a cuntbag or telling her to fuck off. She deleted my post. I think that's worse and I doubt I'd get an apology from Appy for that.
These rules kind of remind me of a scene from "The Thin Red Line".
Appy pulled a Woody Harrelson. Nothing I did yesterday was a violation of this new set of rules. Everything she did in trying to make her point was. Ha ha. She pulled the pin out of the grenade without throwing it and blew her self up in the process.
After rereading stuff from yesterday it sure strikes me that appy's biggest concern as not what I did, just that fact it was me. Which is fine by me. She's barely above the sniping anons in my book.
I'm pretty sure she repeatedly said you, Squid and Marney. But I somehow suspect you often make things all about you.
So you don't have to bother editing, maybe: I enjoy eating poo and often kick puppies for sport. My favorite flavor is "plain" and I think the Mona Lisa sucks. My ancestors roamed trailer parks far and wide and today the whole lot of us total 16 teeth. Ok? Ok.
Wonder why the board has lost it kick? This editing by Squid and 8 are about as mature as junior high girls. The board used to be fun and free range, now it is a parody of "Mean Girls". Any new poster is reviled and scorned and subjected to immature childish crap. It is no wonder there are hours between posts. A prime example was 8's post about Aurora veiled in secrecy like a tweens diary. I say kick off the little bitches and watch this place grow to be fun again.
Can I complain about my own edits? Drunk Sleepwalker is appalled that Sober Sleepwalker has on more than one occasion corrected his typos. Can you please put him in detention?
Here, let me say it again since my non-spam comment was deleted by some asshole. $8, I'm looking at you.
I agree with ED. DJ's language is abhorrent and particularly so coming from a woman. I'm trying to imagine someone talking like that in everyday conversation, but I just can't. I've seen this schtick and completely fail to understand why it's cheered? Why?
It's language. DJ chooses to use all of it instead of cherry picking her words to spare the feelings of someone who has never worried about anyone else's feelings. Her point was made, succinctly.
See? This I really don't get. I thought was ED said was interesting. He's in a school checking out the board. A lot of people are at work. It seems unnecessarily disgusting, but I think I get it now. This is the cause that's being defended in the name of non-sexist non-censorship. It's still gross. Hair? Jesus.
I don't know what you mean by "I say kick off the little bitches and watch this place grow to be fun again." Why don't you work toward that end yourself? What have you contributed?
The only thing I am aware of $8 (or anyone) editing are posts that have no substance. I don't understand what the fuss is. I really don't. The bored would be the same whether those posts remained or if they did not. THEY ADD NOTHING.
Yeah yeah freedom of speech but come on! I dare anyone to show me an example of any anon troll post that added any kind of value to anything here. I'm not taking about anons that post personal things they otherwise wouldn't share. I am talking about the anon trolls that have been all over the bored lately and that Appy seems to have some sort of attraction to. No one has deleted anything that was written by an anon, only things written by trolls.
Oh an I want to go on record: I deeply appreciate $8's thread. That's the kind of thing that happens when you take the time to get to know the people here vs spending your time attacking people you know nothing about just to get people posting. Anon trolls bumping threads and insulting people is not a conversation. It's nothing. If that is what you are looking for, then you are in the wrong place.
Anon trolls have no rights and will never be taken seriously because the contribute absolutely nothing.
Squid, you're in charge of bringing the weed. Arwen, bring some of that Canadian Beer, (is Molson really Canadian or is it really American parading around as Canadian?) and Ed, you're in charge of bringing Alan Funt.
This message has been edited by Smirkdirk on Mar 1, 2012 10:58 AM
I appreciate the thread he started about you, too, even though I don't know you or what it's about. You seen like a nice person.
However: "No one has deleted anything that was written by an anon, only things written by trolls," That statement is not true. I've had things deleted that weren't "troll" just "anon." Neither here nor there at this point, but that's a fact.
I'm not saying anons are bad. I agree, some of them are hilarious. It's the anon trolls I am talking about. I am pretty sure no one is complaining about any anons that actually add something.
Was it a 50/50 split? Really? Anons don't count, remember.
ED, you can lecture me all you want but I think what I did was equal to what Appy did and I'm not sorry. I was offended so I offended back. If you don't like my reaction to being poked with a stick don't poke me with a stick. And I used language as I see fit. If you don't like it I can't help that.
(To the ANON:) No, the small window of yourself that you choose to share here is a not what I'd call a good person. That's really what it comes down to for me. I don't see why we need to protect not-good people's rights to say mean things to people who contribute here. Whether or not you're a good person in real life is moot. You're not good here. You think it's fun to make people feel badly.
Oh right - I'm making this argument again. Whatever, I'll just keep doing what I do when I feel like doing it - which really hasn't been that often - and see what happens. I predict a few regulars will mildly complain, tOdd will do nothing, and no one will have missed anything said by a few people's not-good Internet personas.
Whether some here like it or not, I give a lot to this place. So do other people. I don't think our ongoing thanks should be to be insulted. In this way this forum CAN give us a rose garden - without losing a damn thing, as Arwen rightly noted above. I think we've earned it.
To talk about freedom is just plain silly. This is not America, it's a message board. There's no reason our community standard can't be higher because this is a club. Those that don't want to put up with it are not weak, they're adults, and they're good people.
Some of you don't even really seem to want freedom anyway!
Some of you are now trying to censor long-standing board members who are being entirely consistent. I don't give a fuck about 'language,' and DJ's earned the right with a thousand recaps, pictures posted, awesome stories told, and more organized real-life efforts to reach out and do nice things for people in their actual lives to say whatever she wants in my book. How many anons organized fundraisers for fellow board members who needed a helping hand? How many anons cut out flat tOdds and sent them on their own dime to 40 people for an incredibly funny series of photos? There is a stuffed Squid in one of my kid's beds thanks to DJ and others. I could name 50 more things DJ has done here.
Seriously - to you DJ, say whatever the hell you want however you want.
Sure, if you're a logged in poster who's also contributed, you can ASK your friend DJ to please tone it down, but to say that DJ should be edited? To even COMPARE what DJ says in the same breath as the not-good people who bring the level of discourse down here is batshit crazy.
*Didn't realize I wasn't logged in. Fixed.
This message has been edited by SquiddyBoy on Mar 1, 2012 10:44 AM This message has been edited by SquiddyBoy on Mar 1, 2012 10:43 AM
Just for the record I am not comparing DJ to an anon troll. I'm just asking her, and others, to respect my position regarding the excessive use of x-rated language. It's not so much about me being offended by it, but it may mean I can no longer visit this place between 9 and 5, and will therefore feel the need to move on again. Which I don't want to do.
ED, I want you here too. I missed you dearly for years. You are one of the best human beings I've ever met on the Internet, and you're welcome in my home any time.
But saying that such language may make this place NSFW for you is very different than judging her for what she says.
Really, I need to tone it down too, because I swear like a sailor here. I'm glad to try for you, my long-time Internet friend who has done really nice things for me, so you won't get in trouble at work.
I'm not judging the woman, I am judging the language. I'm also questioning the degree of vitriol for sure, but most of all it's about the language. I like to swear too (though in all honesty, I can count the amount of times I've used the c word on my fingers...it's just way too harsh IMO).
Thanks for the kind words though, Squid. Right back atcha. (It's a LoveFest.)
You're wrong. One of them said EDIT THAT about their own post. Other than that, it was along the lines of why doesn't she edit herself because it's freaking gross? Which it is. You read up, instead of seeing what you want to hear.
I've read it and read it again and you're both full of it, and you both have your pantied in a wad about the whole editing thing. Coincidence? I think not.
Sigh - ok I'll try once more. ED and Appy both called for mean things from regulars to be edited. Appy said multiple times that she saw no difference between editing something nasty by an anon or by a logged in poster. That the standard should be the same. I mocked her for it, I'm quite sure.
ED, will you just admit you more or less called for the editing of regulars who swear so this bad person will maybe shut the hell up?
NO it was me who said it, and I meant by "SOme of you" I meant logged in posters. Given it was me that said it, I'm pretty sure I know what I meant, and that it's you who are not only mistaken, but merely continuing to be a bad person who is trying to make people feel badly by posting nothing but non-additive bile.
And no, the board would not miss all of that if it went away.
And no, the board has not lost an ounce of its kick.
This message has been edited by SquiddyBoy on Mar 1, 2012 11:36 AM
I honestly can't remember. But I do think a forum moderator editing any offensive post is fair game. Even if that leads to cries of censorship. Overall the good outweighs the bad IMO. I'm sure that naughty pictures posted by long-term members have been deleted by tOdd before now. I seem to recall that being the case.
Indeed, that anon has been posting for years as the arbiter of what is "classy". Ask it how it feels about tattoos. I picture somebody in a fly-over state with church lady hair and L'eggs pantyhose in the "suntan" shade every time it posts.
I never realized DJ was ashamed of that... I always thought she was kinda proud. Huh, learn something new everyday.
I loved the eggs. We had a neighbor who macramed them into her creations and I always thought they were the coolest things. I haven't thought about macrame in a looooong time.
It stinks that you would even imply that, put it in people's minds. I'm prepared for the onslaught of ridicule the next statement will provoke, so here goes..
The cursing, the name calling... All of that is just noise, but it really bums me out that after all these years this is what you think, and all the veiled threats.
The truth is I posted Anon years ago... Like six or eight years ago, maybe more.... Meanly for a purpose, JUST LIKE YOU and so many others. I haven't done it since, because I've never seen the point. I thought you knew this about me, plus I'm sure I've admitted this over and over.
I want to be done with this so badly because the board isn't fun, but the sanitized version, the Virgil board isn't fun either. It honestly puzzles me that you think it is. So I don't know the answer.
I quit the board yesterday, thankfully I didn't make the speech, because you see how well that stuck.... I have to go though, busy day... So I won't see a reply until later.
Hopefully you won't play this down as "drama" and see my real intent.
EDITING THIS UP A BIT - I realized you could take what I first said as me playing down the 'drama' and not having heard you.
If you want me to stop treating you the way you treat everyone else, I will based on our friendship.
Mostly though Appy, will you take a deep breath? Nothing of substance has been sanitized around here.
Say and do what you want as always. Nothing's changed. You may get to miss some anon call DJ a c-word, but you say yourself that you don't like to see that. The rest will still be here. There've hardly been any edits, and this place is far from sanitary. The Marsha-like anon will still insult me at will, I'm sure, and I'll still rise to it more than once in a while.
Listen - if you wanna talk more about this stuff, email me or get on gchat or something. I started a longer response, but this seems like it's gone to a place for you that shouldn't be on display for the cockholes who'd mock it.
This message has been edited by SquiddyBoy on Mar 2, 2012 9:16 AM
Appy - I can't fathom where you see in this thread that I'm ashamed of what I think you're talking about but I'm not. In the least. Anny edited whatever was said, I only know the gist, on her own. I didn't ask for it. Furthermore, your righteous indignation over me calling you a name is ridiculous. Especially after what you did. It was an eye for an eye straight up and if you can't see that, heh, you're beyond obtuse and just dumb.
Jesus Christ, this is like arguing with a toddler on cough syrup. I DID NOT ASK FOR IT TO BE EDITED. I didn't even see it! Anny did that on her own. So I had nothing to be upset over.
The editing taking place is to scoop out the turds in the punchbowl. You came along and squatted over the dessert plate. You were treated in kind. So shut up about it.
Piling on - why should she have to be embarrased or feel bad when she comes here anyway? Is that part of the mission of this place in your mind? That DJ, at any moment, after deciding she'd like to check in with her kooky online friends at this fun place, you get a WHAMMY! and feel like shit for some reason? That has some instrinsic value worth expending this much energy over? That the anonymous asswipe that has their genitials in their hand wating for her hurt reaction to rub one out gets to do that? So weird to me.
Speaking of Nazis, I read a blog post today that compared local boot camp instructors as "not being as bad as Nazis." Just because you can compare two things, does not mean it's appropriate especially when you don't know what you're talking about as you did not experience either one.
As an aside, I am surprised you would use Nazis as a reference after your tirade against the C-Word. If you don't know what I mean, just use your fancy iPad to Google why using references to Nazis and the holocaust are offensive and serve to diminish the experiences of those who were actually there but I suppose only some things apply to you and you can pick and chose what you chose to complain about.
And you can give up the whole "DJ is embarrassed" thing because even I understand that DJ didn't edit her post. Anny did. Know how I know that? Because DJ said so...a few times...see? "Anny edited whatever was said, I only know the gist, on her own. I didn't ask for it" or does your iPad block out the text you don't agree with?
How does Anny editing DJ's post mean DJ is embarrassed? Do you see how that doesn't even make sense? And I can think of very little that DJ would post here that she would even be embarrassed about except maybe something she is posting for our amusement, which we love.
You really are incapable of admitting when you are wrong and that's pathetic really.
Well I was there until I got kicked out for daring to disagree with der turtle, and I have to say the smug sense of unjustified "I edit what I want!" rightousness spinkled with "haha you can't stop me" I'm getting from a lot of people about this topic is pretty turtle-esqe to me.
Next thing you know we'll have secret little invitation only groups where we can talk about people behind their backs...
Well for one thing, Arwen, you are not the arbitrator of who gets to talk about what. She brought it up because she thought it was a fair comparison and I agree with her. I don't know why you feel justified in telling anyone what they are or are not allowed to discuss.
I'm not telling her what she can and can't discuss. I am pointing out that it doesn't make sense to me for her to use something she did not experience as a comparator. All she knows is what people have complained about as far as being on that board and that is a bit skewed and and subjective.
Plus, it discounts the fact that pretty much anyone and everyone here can ask for editing powers and they would be granted - which was not at all the case there.
I have admitted a few times to agreeing with Appy on some issues but there is nothing she (or you) can say to help me see and agree with her perspective on troll anons.
Well, you did tell her "quit referencing" it. That doesn't read as "I disagree with that comparison". It reads as "I'm telling you you can't talk about it".
And I didn't bring up troll anons, I just don't like the way we are heading towards a slippery slope of content regulation. Which seemed to be what you were doing. If that wasn't your intention, fine. But I'm letting you know that's what I am getting.
If it was a nasty post that hurt DJ I'd be happy that Anny edited it. Thats not what happened tho...
What happened was an Anon poster said this and that about DJ, all things that were true and she's fine with, (maybe even proud of?) and the anon said "Based on those things I form this mildly unkind opinion of you"
And Anny out of the goodness of her heart, with best intentions to save DJ any discomfort, edited the post.
But DJ wouldnt have been uncomfortable. So now peoples opinions based on fact are not allowed??
Its that type of edit I have a HUGE problem with. Do you really not see that?
Whatevs, Appy. DJ asked me privately what it said, I told her, and she said thanks. Drop it.
ETA: And for someone who was so desperately trying to get people to move on yesterday about your editing, you really like to beat the horse today doncha? Just as long as the light is shining elsewhere.
This message has been edited by AnnyBoo on Mar 2, 2012 2:25 PM
Fine. Then I want to continue to talk about your abusive, intentional, editing of logged in posters that you did this week and how you should be banned for that. No one else has done that.
But I really want to make lobster bisque (whine)! I have tried and tried to find something passable at grocery stores but always strike out.
There is a restaurant at the beach right by my house, World Famous, and they have the most fantastic lobster bisque. But it never has enough lobster in it for my taste. If I could make it myself, it would be a little bisque with my lobster.
I will call authorities if you don't pull that down and I have a sceenshot. You went too far dude and you can get into a lot of trouble. Edit it out or face the music asslick
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