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Who is your favorite US President?

June 13 2012 at 3:04 PM

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Aurora's Lincoln thread got me thinking. Who's your favorite prez?

I love honest Abe. He's probably the most important president. But I love Teddy Roosevelt. The rough riders and all that. He was a badass.

And then there's Clinton. I'm going with Clinton.

 
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 13 2012, 3:06 PM 

Thomas Jefferson. Even as a little kid I was just all about him. I even got to see his house when I was 12. It has a lot to do with his writing.





 
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 13 2012, 3:07 PM 

Monticello.

Cool name.

 
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 13 2012, 3:08 PM 

It means "hillock" or "little mountain" in Italian. I agree it is a cool name.





 
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 13 2012, 3:10 PM 

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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 13 2012, 4:26 PM 

FDR.

The whole Four Freedoms thing.

That and they were practically ready to give him king-like powers during the war and he didn't take them.

George Washington also for similar humility and restraint.

Love TJ too - but he was a little bit of a bitch too I think.

 
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 13 2012, 7:27 PM 

Chester A. Arthur

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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 14 2012, 5:58 AM 

I always liked Jimmy Carter.

 
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AnonoPajama
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 14 2012, 6:37 AM 

That figures.

 
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 14 2012, 7:23 AM 

There's nothing like a dig so opaque that the recipient has no idea what you're talking about.

 
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 14 2012, 7:43 AM 

Saying you like Jimmy Carter is broadcasting that you are a bleeding heart liberal. I take it your anon isn't, hence the dig. This is how it is in the US nowadays: obnoxious. Many conservatives consider Jimmy to be the worst president in US history, and Reagan the greatest. I'm certainly cutting a lot out here, but that's the gist of it.

Man wore a sweater.
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 14 2012, 9:08 AM 

OK, thanks, I get it now.

 
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 14 2012, 9:26 AM 

I'm gonna go with John Adams. I loved his HBO series. happy.gif

 
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 14 2012, 9:33 AM 

Teddy

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"He is noted for his exuberant personality, range of interests and achievements, and his leadership of the Progressive Movement, as well as his "cowboy" persona and robust masculinity."

 
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 14 2012, 9:37 AM 

Carter came in at a strange time in American history, where the political culture was trying to shake off the scandal of Watergate. He was really, not a man meant to be President, and I mean that with all due respect. He is, seemingly, a sincere, intelligent and caring man and successful businessman who tried to do what was right, but seemed overmatched by the position. It seems like the factors at play at the time (economy, political turmoil, Iran, Cold War) would conspire to scuttle any president.

Also, giving away the Panama Canal was dumb.

 
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 14 2012, 9:52 AM 

People that remember the Iran hostage crisis and the lines at the gas pump blame him for those things. Let's not talk about Reagan trading arms to Iran for the hostages via Israel and funneling the funds to the Contras in Nicaragua. Nobody wants to hear about that stuff, especially not your run of the mill right wingnut.

 
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 14 2012, 10:00 AM 

Trust me, I'm no Reagan apologist. But I don't think you can view any president's success simply by their party affiliation. Simply stated - they can't have had no success simply because they had failures...because all of them have had both on varying scales.

As a registered Democrat, would i elect Jimmy Carter today (the younger version)? No, sorry. I just don't think his particular skillset was best suited for executive governmental leadership. Saying that doesn't mean I have to like Reagan - I don't. Though I do think that Ronnie had some positive impact on the country in terms of leadership and belief in ourselves. Like him or not, he restored some of the pride that was stolen during Watergate (only to sully that legacy with Iran-Contra).

To me, some of my faves:

-Teddy Roosevelt
-Eisenhower
-Truman
-First term Clinton
-Polk (yes Polk)
-Lincoln
-Bush 1

 
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 14 2012, 10:10 AM 

I get that, too. While I'm at it, though, don't forget motivating the so-called "Christian" right! That's done us all sorts of favors! Amazing what being an actor can do for your political career.

I'm going with Grover Cleveland. Because I like saying Grover.

 
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 14 2012, 10:22 AM 

Related:

Final scene of Game of Thrones where heads are depicted on spikes after 'traitors' have been executed (trying not to spoil for anyone) - one of the heads on the spikes is George W. Bush's head, barely disguised!

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Republicans are going batshit, and calling for all good conservo-trons to boycott the show.

The producers say they didn't even notice till after the show aired and a fan pointed it out, that they rent 'prosthetics of all kinds in bulk' and that there was no slight intended to W.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2158950/Fury-HBOs-Game-Thrones-shows-President-George-W-Bushs-decapitated-head-impaled-STAKE.html?ICO=most_read_module

HA!

 
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 14 2012, 10:25 AM 

I kind of think the outrage is deserved. Pretty disrespectful. If that was Obama's head, people would be pissed.

 
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 14 2012, 10:26 AM 

What "people?" The ones sitting on the other side of the political fence?

So tiresome.

 
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 14 2012, 11:03 AM 

Lordy PJ. We mock our presidents day in and day out.

I asked myself, "What if it had been Clinton?" and I answered myself, "I'd have laughed."

These guys are fair game, and line up in the rear for the vagina de-sanding...

 
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 14 2012, 11:12 AM 

Look, I doubt it was intentional, so there's that. There's better things to get worked up about.

But I can see why some might be unnerved or upset by it. Its a violent image of a real person who inspired animosity among some. If it was intentional, it only adds to the versus climate in America right now.

Is it a huge deal - no, but I'd be lying if I said people would not be worked up if it was Obama or Clinton, or anyone seen as an active part of the current political climate.

 
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 14 2012, 11:20 AM 

Oy.

 
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CapsLock
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 14 2012, 11:28 AM 

Seems like a well thought out, rational discussion.

What's the problem, anon?

 
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AnonoPajama
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 14 2012, 11:30 AM 

"If it was Obama or Clinton..." This just happened and I've heard that phrase no less than 25 times already.

OY.

 
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 14 2012, 11:33 AM 

Caps, why even read the comments between the real discussion. I just use the same logic as skipping anonymous racist comment on NY Times stories.

If you have an opinion - have the courage of your convictions and put a persona behind them.

If not, why even bother? I don't get it.

 
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AnonoPajama
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 14 2012, 11:34 AM 

You can read these words, right? It's like magic.

Anonymous racist? Not here, buddy.

 
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 14 2012, 11:37 AM 

How would we know? Your just an anonymous coward. It would stand to reason.

 
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 14 2012, 11:40 AM 

I thought you didn't read the posts between your "actual discussion."

Tsk, tsk. Tell us again how if it had been Obama or Clinton blah blah blah? I don't think Fox has covered that enough yet. CNN is a little slack on "Bush is the worst president of ALL TIME." That's Squid's part, though. Can't have that.

Faux intellectualism. Whee.

 
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 14 2012, 11:42 AM 

Nothing intellectual - just my honest feeling about it. I just happen to sound very intellectual, but I have the luxury of an online thesaurus.

 
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 14 2012, 11:43 AM 

It shows.

 
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 14 2012, 11:47 AM 

Wow, cool! I sound intellectual?

 
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 14 2012, 11:49 AM 

Was there actually a front shot of the head, cause sure the profile resembles bush but it probably also resembles a 1000 other guys.

Like Whoa, are they supposed to take every random head out of the box and reflect on whether it will offend people?

It would probably be really weird if it were Obama... doesn't this take place in Scotland or something, a quick boo through the cast on IMDB doesn't reveal a very diverse cast.

Chill out people

 
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 14 2012, 11:46 AM 

I'll tell you what, I'll pretend we're engaging rationally.

My point is not whether the image matters...the fact that its open for discussion is likely just another unforeseen disadvantage to this whole internet thing.

My point is, if you happen to be more left of center, I don't think you can deny that even if you didn't react to a image of Obama or Clinton like that, you can't deny that there are people that would be up in arms about it and making it news (or news that was making it news).

the polarization works both ways...neither the left or the right has a monopoly on rational behavior.

 
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 14 2012, 11:47 AM 

La la la la I can't hear you.

 
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 14 2012, 11:47 AM 

that's what I figured.

 
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 14 2012, 11:50 AM 

That's what you said to me, right? Jesus H. Christ, it's a no-win. Why are you talking to me again? Rational? K.

 
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 14 2012, 11:52 AM 

I never typed the words la la la. honestly, I was going to, but there's not an alternate word for it in my thesaurus.

 
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 14 2012, 11:54 AM 

You didn't even address that to me, you addressed it to Caps.

You're as bored as I am, so we do have one thing in common.

 
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 14 2012, 11:55 AM 

Not sure what you mean, I never wrote in caps above. I try not to do that as it looks like your screaming at people...watch.

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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 14 2012, 11:59 AM 

You have to read it again. TO Caps. TO. That was for emphasis, not screaming.

 
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 14 2012, 12:05 PM 

RPS

Well, they apologized.

I guess it's ok to say, "Man, not cool."

But to set the spin machine on PANIC! OUTRAGE! BOYCOTT!

Is worthy of mockery in my book.

 
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 14 2012, 12:08 PM 

Of course the apologized. But if it have been Clinton or Obama...something something.

 
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AnonoPajama
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 14 2012, 12:10 PM 

So incoherent. Wow. Not the proudest moment ever. Orvis, may I borrow your thesaurus? And a feeling?

 
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 14 2012, 1:49 PM 

I understand that your TO is in caps, but not the rest of your sentence. And I'm confused, because I don't see a capitalized TO above.

Either way, typing in caps looks weird.

 
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 14 2012, 1:50 PM 

Are you Funk?

 
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 14 2012, 1:51 PM 

No, are you Frank?

 
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 14 2012, 1:54 PM 

Yes. Yes, I am.

 
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 14 2012, 2:06 PM 

Now I really want you to make a login as Frank.





 
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 14 2012, 8:31 PM 

I like LBJ. Any president who wears a ten gallon hat and sounds like Foghorn Leghorn gets my vote, son I said gets mah vote that is!

He was very underrated. Kennedy gets a lot of undeserved credit for the good things LBJ did and absolution for some of the same bad things.


 
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 14 2012, 11:59 PM 

I liked Bush Sr. with the thousand points of light and all that stuff.

Read my lips, my son will fuck this country!

 
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 15 2012, 2:05 AM 

I would have actually paid for the DVD box set if all the heads were former presidents.

I think all outgoing presidents should have to face a national approval poll. If they score less than 40%, then their head should go on a spike on the White House lawn for the new president to look at and ponder during his term.

I bet we'd suddenly start having useful presidents.

Fuck it. Let's do the same for Congress.

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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 15 2012, 8:56 AM 

Yeah! Maybe we could build a THUNDERDOME? Two branches enter, one branch leaves?


 
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 15 2012, 5:22 PM 

Or even better...two branches enter, no branch leaves.

They are both broken beyond repair at this point. Cleanse it with fire and start over.

Too bad we as Americans are so fat, lazy and apathetic that I honestly can't imagine an atrocity the government could perpetrate that would spark a revolution.

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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 18 2012, 7:50 AM 

They could cut off the Mountain Dew supply? Watch it, Bloomberg.

 
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 18 2012, 7:20 PM 

Yeah, but we've already established that getting rid of large Mountain Dew will just motivate Americans to buy 3 mediums.

"In a democracy, people get the government they deserve." - Alexis de Toqueville (possibly)

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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 19 2012, 8:38 AM 

In a not at all pedantic way - but in the spirit that I know you'd be interested in this, Hep...

That quote (as you suspected) isn't de Tocqueville.

Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821) wrote in 1811: Toute nation a le gouvernement quelle merite. ("Every nation has the government it deserves.") De Maistre was credited with the saying in the 19th century, but it became popular in the United States in the 20th century, frequently without credit to De Maistre.

A popular version is In a democracy, the people get the government they deserve, with an incorrect credit to Alexis de Tocqueville (1805-1859), author of Democracy in America. Many have questioned the statement, arguing that it blames the victim (citizens/voters) for bad regimes that cannot easily be voted outeven in a democracy.

It goes on to say that de Maistre was a hereditary monarchist and a big fan of hierarchy. More if you're interested:

http://www.barrypopik.com/index.php/new_york_city/entry/the_people_get_the_government_they_deserve/


 
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 19 2012, 6:02 PM 

Yeah, I knew it probably wasn't de Tocqueville. That's why I put (possibly) after. I tried briefly to look it up, but it kept coming back to him.


Should have gone with this gem from George Carlin instead, "Where do you think American politicians come from? They come from the American people. You got fat, stupid and lazy people - you get fat, stupid, and lazy politicians. Garbage in, garbage out."

I believe he said it with more swear words though.

And he was right. From my experience, Sarah Palin represents the average American much better than Barack Obama does, and I don't mean that as a complement.

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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 19 2012, 6:14 PM 

Chester A Arthur...

I was randomly assigned to do a paper about him in 5th grade. Felt close to him ever since...

 
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 20 2012, 8:39 AM 

I tend to agree with the critics of that argument though, that there are forces in play that are larger than the body politic being stupid alone. I mean, they're certainly responsible at some point since 1776 for letting it happen... but as I noted in my plutocracy thread the other day - it's pretty hard for the little guy to get much done in the face of being out-shouted by a billion dollars to $300.

I mean look at the 99% movement. Does anyone deny that it's probably a good thing that we have a conversation about wealth distribution in our country? Yet those folks were belittled, reviled, marginalized, called trustifarians, stinky hippies, tased, and fairly systematically discredited to the point where I wonder if we can truly say they accomplished much. I mean, it's not like they prevented J.P. Morgan from losing, what, $7 Billion last month.

Please understand I'm not opening a debate about the relative merits of the 99% movement - I'm questioning whether ANY movement can succeed that's not fully supported by the plutocracy.

As exhibit B, I'll submit the Tea Party movment. I think the plutocracy was a little bit split on whether this movement of the hoi polloi either served or hurt their interests. I think a lot of moderate Republicans with money were seriously turned off by the social conservatives co-opting the Tea Party and moved to distance themselves (and their money) from them. A lot of other Republicans embraced them. So the outcome of this rift within their party was first it being a contributing factor McCain's loss to Obama, second some significant gains in Congress, and third utter gridlock as the Republican establishment couldn't control the monster they created by electing all of these morons.

So in the end, the Tea Party hasn't really succeeded in its mission either, right? We forge ahead on Government spending - just on spending things the plutocracy wants.

So, I think a fairer statement since Citizens United is, "Well, it's still better than Burma for the average Joe. Just try to work within the system and enjoy your 80 years or so." I mean, stick a fork in representative participitory democracy - it's done.

 
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 20 2012, 7:57 PM 

My 5th grade report was #13, Millard Fillmore. There was this one time on Jeopardy where they asked who the 13th president and none of them knew who it was, and I felt really smart.

A couple of years ago, I made it my resolution to memorize them all. I did it then, but don't remember them all now.

Among my favorites are

Washigton
Jefferson
FDR - though I might not be a "New Deal" kinda girl if it were happening today.
Kennedy
Carter - Though I'm more of a fan of what he's done SINCE being potus than during.

Can I count Jefferson Davis? wink.gif


 
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Re: Who is your favorite US President?

June 20 2012, 8:04 PM 

But the whole reason that a billion dollars can buy an election is because people are too stupid to realize when they are being pandered to, too lazy to do their own research, and complete suckers for slick marketing.

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