I can't come up with one. I'm not feeling very controversial.
Maybe this?
Anyone read either "Bringing up Bebe" or "Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother?"
We just bought both. I can't wait to read them and compare and contrast.
I've got something else to finish first before I start them - but anyone have any thoughts on these? Both controversial, but each espousing a very different approach!
how about one of Sandusky's adopted sons publicly stating he was molested/abused? I think a lot of people wondered if this was the case.
There might be riots if he's found not guilty. Someone compared it to OJ being found not guilty, but I think the evil that is Jerry Sandusky is beyond OJ.
This message has been edited by orvis on Jun 22, 2012 10:56 AM
Did you see the story of the kids in Greece, NY who bullied the elderly widowed bus monitor to tears? Told her "you're so ugly your kids should kill themselves". And her son did kill himself 10 years ago. Appropriate punishments, discuss...
The positive part is the money that's been raised (I think like $300k now) for the woman. Great story. feels nice.
And look, what these kids did was evil and rotten. The video is hard to watch. They need to understand why what they did is so wrong and be made to examine what caused them to gang up on an old woman. I hope they can right their paths.
But...
Like anything these days this is getting out hand. These kids are getting death threats, the families are being harassed at their places of work, the school gets a barrage of phone calls each day.
I just feel like its a shame that it has to go to such extremes. If it never got out this woman would have suffered in silence. But then it does get out, goes viral, and now some equally evil shit is happening. What in people's brains makes them think that the way to deal with negative behavior like this is violent threats.
They are kids and they did something bad and wrong. And like any kids, they should be allowed to ensure that this event does not shape their lives going forward. Its a chance for them to really change for the better. But let's remember, most people have an event from their childhood that they regret or wish they could take back. We should give them a chance to deal with this at the school, with the parents, and with the woman - then move on.
Just worried that this stuff seems to get so crazy so quick because of the net these days. Then again, that poor woman would never have had resolution to this if not for the net...one of these I think:
I have no say of a post or approved or not. I have no editing power beyond my own posts.
But Honestly, if you don't want to be deleted, why not just pick a persona and stick with it. Would solve the whole issue. Not having a continuing name keeps you from being accepted and doesn't let anyone gauge where or who to respond to.
just saying, if you don't like it, solution is simple.
Imagine people were talking at a party. You step in without introduction and say, "Pssshhh, I heard you talking Bob, and you're just an elitist liberal"
now ask yourself how Bob and the rest of the people would respond? What? Who is this? Why are they being like that? just ignore them....
Seems simple. Not sure why the anons here struggle with that reality.
Here is what I don't get about the lady bus monitor. I was a bus monitor in my late teens primarily for routes which serviced physically or mentally disabled kids but mixed in I'd end up on routes with your typical school aged darlings.
If this had occurred on my route, I would have instantly notified the driver and he/she would have pulled the bus over. When gang mentality happens, you cannot predict what will happen next. For the safety of all on board, the bus should be stopped.
I cannot imagine this one being controversial, but the bored surprises me sometimes. Did you hear about this news story?
A FATHER in Texas who killed a man with his bare hands after catching him raping his daughter should not face criminal charges, a grand jury in the US has ruled.
The man - whose name has not been released to protect his daughter - allegedly beat the attacker over the head when he pulled him off his four-year-old child after discovering them in a barn in Lavaca County, Texas.
The prosecutors played a tape of the distraught father's desperate emergency call as he tried to save the man's life after realising what he'd done.
"I need an ambulance. This guy was raping my daughter and I beat him up and I don't know... I don't know what to do," he sobs into the phone, so overcome with emotion that he can't provide directions to his father's ranch.
Justice. Feel bad for the dad on every account. So glad he doesn't get any BS from the legal system.
I agree with the justifiable homicide issue from the viewpoint that the father could easily have been temporarily insane with rage. Too bad Sandusky didn't do his thing in Texas.
Not saying it's right those bus bully kids are getting death threats, but I don't feel one bit sorry for them, or their parents for raising some rotten kids. No one would have even known about it if they hadn't braggingly posted it on facebook. Also read that one of the parents apologized - Heyt, how about making your rotten kid apologize instead?
I'll sum it up. She always knew that she'd never give it up. She drinks a few drinks. She's worried about what is considered "moderate" Most doctors she know say it's ok, but she's still dealing with a lot of guilt and dirty looks.
After months of dragging their feet, officials decided it was okay during adult swim hours, but anybody else would be permitted on a case-by-case basis.
Is it reasonable for her to ask that they bend their policy for her? I totally get why it should be allowed, but am also thinking she wasted the time of public employees to shove her agenda at people.
I just watched the bullying video on youtube. It sucks.
I had friends who could act like those kids in my circle of friends when I was a kid. They turned out alright. Polite and whatever. But in that circle, there were also kids who would squash it when it was getting out of hand. Seems like that group of kids needs some kids with some balls to say "cut the shit".
I am logged in as Azusa. This is my first comment on this thread. I have no other login.
I saw the video of the school bus monitor being bullied by grade 7 boys. It does and doesn't shock me. The school bus monitor is the same age as my mother would be now were she alive. I watched it & it made me think how I would feel if someone disrespected my own mother or any older person - very angry.
The video does make me want to redouble my efforts to stamp out bullying.
This message has been edited by Azusa_ on Jun 22, 2012 9:34 PM This message has been edited by Azusa_ on Jun 22, 2012 9:34 PM
I noticed your post, but I think it's a little silly to assume that 1) just because your school disctrict had good proceedures in place for a situation like that, all of them everywhere must have the same rules and proceedures and 2) in an age of massive cutbacks, even if it WERE the same school district with the same rules, this woman received the same training you did many years ago. Frankly, I think the amount of people willing to blame this woman for the inexcusable behavior of a pack of brats who need to be punished sererely is disturbing.
This message has been edited by Ginnyesq on Jun 22, 2012 9:51 PM
The collective internet got together and raised 400k for the old woman to retire.
I think she is an amazing person for not wanting to have any of those kids prosecuted or expelled from school. It it were me, I'd want their heads on pikes in my front yard.
But I guess I probably wouldn't have allowed them to talk to me like that either.
The headlines would have instead read, "Grown man beats up bus full of middle schoolers."
As for the father Squid talked about...
Every call that begins with, "I caught somebody raping my child," should end with, "He's going to need an ambulance, he's probably going to die."
Not only should you not face charges for killing your daughter's rapist, you should get a medal if you do.
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This message has been edited by Hepatitis_C on Jun 23, 2012 6:10 PM
I finally just now watched the bus monitor bullying video, and I am so thoroughly disgusted and sad for what the youth of today has become. I am not one to strike my children, and BELIEVE ME I have been so severely tempted recently, but THAT just might push me over the edge. Inexcusable. They're not sorry. They're sorry they got called out on their atrocious behavior.
This and recent happenings in my own life have me reconsidering the whole "spare the rod spoil the child" theory.
As for the guy caught raping the 4 year old daughter? I probably would have butchered him and fed him to my dogs. But my dogs deserve better.
According to one article I read, the ACLU defended a girl who set up a hate page on Facebook against her teacher and the girl received a 15K settlement from the school as a result of a lawsuit after they forced her to take it down. Other than the physical touching, these kids have their first amendment right to say whatever they want, no? Sticks and stones?
M'fuckas on this board take the 1st amendment as well as bullying seriously. Word.
Some jr high kids got in trouble for throwing garbage into Sept. 11 memorial reflecting pools. They are from a Brooklyn school. If you don't think we're at the beginning of the end, I think you're a fool. We're hopeless.
Squid, save us from ourselves! No. Really. What can anybody even say about this in defense of these stupid fucking little monsters? Is this their "free speech?" Disgusting.
You call this "misbehaving" - this and what happened to that poor old lady on that bus - and not a generation of sociopathic introverts? Must be nice in that special place you inhabit.
Watch last night's episode of Frontline. All these little turds think they're geniuses at multi-tasking, when in fact what they do is everything half-assed. Professors can't assign books longer than 200 pages. Teachers are competing with the internet. Kids born in the last 20 years are desensitized. It's fucked up. The end.
Crime statistics in percentage to population have been steadily going down since the 80s. Kids have always acted up, we just didn't always have cameras everywhere to record it, or an internet on which to instantly upload and view kids acting up.
On thing that probably won't ever change is that old people will always think that things are worse than when they were younger. I guess that comes with getting old. Old people will always suck.
Until I become President of the World and enact my Logan's Run Renewal initiative, that is.
I sort of disagree that kids have always been this way and we are just seeing it more because of technology. I know that when I was a kid and we were acting up and swearing, etc, if an adult loomed into ear shot we STFU. We didn't swear at adults. We didn't swear AROUND adults.
And, yeah, there was always that ONE KID that did. That rebel. But everyone else would get all wide-eyed and wait to see the kid get smashed by the adult. And the kid always did.
I think at least part of it can be blamed on modern sitcoms and movies and such. In the Leave it to Beaver days, those kids weren't mouthy. Now all the jokes come from the foul mouthed, sassy, smart ass of a child who one-ups the adult. Think about it. It's rampant.
Adults come to expect as much (oh isn't that so cute what junior just said?) and children emulate the behavior.
Anny is 100% correct. We've "spared the rod" and awarded tropies for nothing, we've let them have choices at 2, we allow them access to the internet where NOTHING is sacred. It's a different world and it's bad. No shit, there's always been murder and crime. But there hasn't always been lack of disrespect in schools to the point a teacher is BEATEN. That's new! So's shooting up a school. Face it, don't try to pretend it's not happening b/c it's not happening in your house. Yet.
It's totally the culture. Swearing is everywhere now. I was watching Mantracker the other day, which is on at 6pm, and every other word out of the new and very sexy Mantracker was "shit". So, it's not that kids are worse now a days, it's just that what is taboo is different.
I'm not sure that's it, either - even though, I think it does reflect the general lack of respect for adults/authority that's so pervasive now. Our culture is evolving, but it's not in positive way. Did you watch those kids on that bus? WTH? And nobody even makes them apologize for being that freaking hateful. Kids learn a lot of stuff from watching their parents, which is even more disturbing. Ever see anybody road rage w/ a kid in the car? I have. I bet that makes for a good future 16 yo driver! And our culture means smartphones, which means kids dying while texting. Why wouldn't they? They can "multi-task!" Tell me what kind of person throws trash in the Sept. 11 Memorial. Please. Tell me. Being mischievous, is that all that is? I think not. You lack something, and it's something integral.
I saw bullying like that in the video when I was a teen (late 80's/early 90's). Sorry, I disagree with the sign of the times theory. Do kids swear more? Maybe. Are they more brazen? I dunno, a little.
I also see that a lot of kids are more tolerant of others then they were when I was a kid. A lot of them don't calculate race the same way as we did. A lot of them think gay marriage is a silly debate.
Look, I'm not defending those kids - they should get their (reasonable) comeupance. But there's a reason that this song existed years ago:
And I'm telling you I did see it. Bullying is nothing new. I saw kids make subs run crying from the classroom...but no one could film it.
Overreaction. A guy eating someone's face off doesn't mean zombies are coming and kids ganging up on an authority figure doesn't mean the yutes are rebelling. Bad things have always gone on and always will...and I'd venture to say more bad stuff used to happen than does today.
I remember my grade 11 french class was so proud of bullying our teacher that he ended up leaving mid semester on stress leave and didn't come back for a year.
totally. If anything, we've become more aware and try to mitigate the behavior now. Columbine was the start of all of that...and that was in 1999. I mean that seems worse than the bus video, doesn't it?!?!
Anybody beat up one of your teachers, or better yet, rape one? 1999 is post-internet. It makes a BIG difference. Thanks for making some of my point for me!
Teachers were routinely beaten and raped in my school, as far back as 1950. We had a secret password that instructed all those interested in participating to meet in back of the parking lot at 3 o'clock, right after dismissal.
Shhh, don't tell anyone, but the code was:
Ra-ma la-ma la-ma ka ding a da ding de dong
Shoo-bop sha wad-da wad-da yipp-it-y boom de boom
Chang chang chang-it-ty chang shoo-bop
Dip da-dip da-dip doo-wop da doo-bee doo
Boog-e-dy boog-e-dy boog-e-dy boog-ed-y
Shoo-by doo-wop she-bop
Sha-na-na-na-na-na-na-na yip-pit-y boom de boom
Ra-ma la-ma la-ma ka ding-a de ding de dong
Shoo-bop sha wad-da wad-da yipp-it-y boom de boom
Chang chang chang-it-ty chang shoo-bop
Dip da-dip da-dip doo-wop da doo-bee doo
Boog-e-dy boog-e-dy boog-e-dy boog-e-dy
shoo-by doo-wop she-bop
Sha-na-na-na-na-na-na-na yip-pit-ty boom de boom
Basically, so everyone knew the target teacher, all "booms" were replaced with the teachers name.
I had my first experience with the internet in 1998. And it was nothing like it is now. You know that, don't be dumb. No one had cell phones back then. And the few phones that were out there didn't even text yet, let alone record anything.
I would be willing to bet the house that teachers have been raped by every generation of kid.
You're deluding yourself. Bullying in the classroom vs bullying in classroom AND on Facebook? Come ON! I was around in the late 90s, older than you. Things started to change then and since then it's been an avalanche. I'm telling you - check out Frontline from US PBS. It will say some of this better than I have.
And we did do the best rapin'. I seen it.
Smirk, that 50s tune really hit the nail on the head. I mean, now it's JUST like it was back then.
Well that doesn't count then. Adults always think kids are messed up. I remember the first time I said "kids today!" I was 6 months out of high school. As soon as someone is no longer a kid, they are judging kids and saying how much worse they are.
I grew up in a sort of split family. My older siblings are 18/15 years older than me and my younger brother. They were WAY more messed up then my set. Sex, drugs, crime.. everything.
My older brother is still a big bully pushing people around and constantly being racist.
I think kids have been dicks forever. I know its fiction, but even Stephen King wrote about 1950's bullies in Stand By Me and It - and Ace was a huge dick, and came off pretty realistic. Basically the only reason he stood down was because the main character had a gun to his knife.
I always felt like Columbine was the starting point for real conversation about bullying and the impact on everyone. I think you can argue that video games/violence in media had it role in that.
And again, I think what these kids did in the bus video was horrible, cruel. My worst fear is my son would take part in something like that someday. but I think the woman captured the essence of what drove the bullying when she said one-on-one they are good kids. When they get into a group, the peer pressure and one upmanship begins. I saw it happen from elementary school through college. Honestly, I see it happen at baseball games. People view their role in misbehaving differently when its done in a group setting.
Blaming kids will always be with us, just like blaming the previous generation will be when you inherit their mess as an adult.
Now, some Mike and the Mechanics...
This message has been edited by orvis on Jun 27, 2012 3:36 PM
You're insane. I've been posting the entire time, because decent human beings approve posts that aren't about somebody's a-hole or calling everybody a c-lick or whatever. Different opinions - it what makes the world go 'round.
Funny you use that word - because I honestly think your inability to be flexible when presented with lots of opposing viewpoints is your principal emotional failing. You've been exactly the same across so many logins for so many years.
I think you should. You never change your position. You start one way, and that becomes your gibraltar, no matter what anyone says. I've seen you do it 100 times.
So what? That's called having an opinion. Just because it doesn't coincide with everyone's doesn't make it wrong or bad. There's no name-calling or disrespect of others. The bug up your butt is inexplicable - you're just taking everything I say personally, for some stupid reason.
Oh, no you don't! You're defense of anons is commendable and appreciated. But the DV has been a thorn for entirely too long and has stymied the board. Doc Z hasn't been here in weeks (other than a drive by, no pun intended) and that's a crime. Plus, it's just fun to say you're wrong.
Columbine kids may not have been bullied, but they were, to a point, bullies. Extreme bullying. Who knew? And in a pre-youtube, pre-myspace day? Impossible. Oh wait. Doom the videogame. I knew it was technologies fault somehow.
You said Boo Radley bullied, which reads like he's the one doing the bullying. The Pip one made even less sense, but I hated that book so I ignored that one.
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