That cleanse thing is total bullshit. I've seen women mix up hot sauce and apple juice or some stupid crap and suck on it for a couple of days. I think that's been debunked about 100 ways from Sunday. Our liver and kidneys cleanse us. It's what they do.
Anon is right, cleansing and fasts have been debunked just like multi vitamins have been debunked as having any use what-so-ever but people still take them. I can't imagine juicing or adding veggies to a protein shake would be bad for you and lord knows people don't have enough variety of veggies in their diet...
That always makes me think...
I imagine early man, whether he was in the Garden of Eden or in the caves, didn't have much variety in his diet at all. Today we have the most variety of food ever available in history, with fresh and frozen foods coming in from all over.
If you just look at a normal diet, not the 24/7 fast food diet, where people eat a little bit of a lot of things, is that not enough variety? Are we really supposed to be eating something from each colour of food possible as far as vegetables? Early man never had access to this variety, how could our bodies be evolved so that we NEED this variety nutritionally?
Is it our brains that need all this because man hasn't changed much since the Industrial Revolution and yet we are being told that to be optimally healthy we need all this variety. Let's not even account for the milk and wheat lobbies that affect the shape of the food pyramid or plate or whatever it's called now. I mean early man was either eating only whole grains because it was all he could grow or eating none because cattle were eating it.
Multivitamins have been debunked? I'd like to see that information. I don't eat as balanced of a diet as I should and rely on multivitamins to fill in any gaps. They help me because I have more energy and am more wakeful after I take them.
I'm looking for a vitamin to give my step-kid. Even though I cook some seriously awesome shit with freaking GOOD ingredients, the kid will only eat a handful of things:
Generally any meat with BBQ sauce. NO FAT.
Processed breaded frozen chicken strips/nuggets.
Cheese or pepperoni pizza.
Plain ham & american cheese sandwiches.
3 sugary cereals.
Tater-tots. (No other potato thing)
Vanilla or cookies-n-cream ice cream only.
I learned last night that she'll eat sweet potato fries, but she won't go near a sweet potato.
She doesn't totally gorge on crap, so I'm not too worried, but she doesn't eat anything green (grapes don't count), so I wondered if I can get her some vitamins in her in the form of a fruit-flavored chewy thing. (Although, I'm sure she'd waste half the flavors from pickiness, anyway.)
My depression takes the track of Food=HappyLove for the most part (thus my size). But from time to time due to financial reasons, I've basically done the equivalent of Ramadan (nothing during daylight hours). Can't do it anymore. Wreaks havoc on my digestive system. And I know that if my hands are shaking so much that I cant even sleep, thats a bad sign.
In the same vein as this but slightly different is that my mother's cardiologist told me the other day that nicotine patches do not work and that the only thing that works for stopping smoking is just stopping. Seems like he would have at LEAST given her a prescription if for nothing else but a placebo effect.
I tried fasting once for about an hour. For me, it seems as though as soon as I decide to go on any sort of restriction diet my cravings ramp up about 500%. I have a friend that fasts occasionally. It seems to work for her. I can tell a difference in her skin and eyes. She seems brighter after a fast. However, she is a vegan (strict) and does not eat garbage ever so her regular diet is like a fast for some people.
I might could make it through a raw foods fasts if I had some guidance and a support group.
I tried to quit smoking, cold turkey, in 2008. I lasted less than two weeks and was a raving beeyotch the whole time.
I tried again on December 11, 2009, this time using the patch. I started with the strongest dose and the name brand stuff. It made me even more jittery than cigarettes had, at first, and I HATED it but I stuck it out. I downgraded dosage as recommended and once I got to the mid-level strength, I started using Target brand to save money. And I was really barely irritable.
I don't know if it was all in my head or maybe I just wasn't ready to quit before, but personally, I feel like I couldn't have done it without the patch and that it worked 110%.
The multivitamins - it's not that they're total crap, it's that people tend to overdo it/don't get checked out to find out where they may have a deficiency and act accordingly. Prenatal vitamins can to wonders for nails and hair. Folate is good for embyros. There are plenty of facts out there to be found.
The big but is, there is no substitute for a healthy diet and exercise. Michael Pollan will tell you this, if that's your thing. Nobody's getting scurvy or pellagra anymore. Fasting though? It's not beneficial. Your body starts storing fat in reaction to the shock of no food, then when you do eat, you're going to overdo it. You deserve it, right? It's counterproductive.
In his charming way, Hep is ultimately right. Talk to your doctor before you load up on giant pills and kill some fish down river. We have enough people taking unnecessary prescription drugs without loading up on something the FDA doesn't regulate. Scary.
On the patch: I was NOT really ready to quit - meaning I knew I needed to but didn't really want to - and the patch 100% totally worked for me. It kept me from caving, it kept me from being [more of] an insufferable asshole to everyone I know, and for the first try in seven years, got me to what in three days will be 8 months. Huge fan of the patch.
On vitamins: I've definitely heard that 'Americans have the most expensive pee on Earth' about vitamins, but I've also heard the "it couldn't hurt," "We don't really know," etc. I irregularly eat two gummies when I think of it.
If part of health is peace of mind, those gummies help with that, so I'll stick with it.
There's Hep with that magnetic charm again. It's like 10lbs of fun in a 5lb bag.
I intentionally stayed away from the pee thing because it's pretty hotly debated. However, you could run with the "septic tank cleaners that find the bottom lined with undigested multivitamin pills" story, instead. Not nearly as destructive to the septic systems as plastic tampon applicators, so that's a relief.
I was quite dumbfounded to be honest. I just stood there and said, "oh okay." I had been up since 4:30 that morning and was not up for a question/answer session on nicotine patches with a cardiologist. Nor did he appear to have the time to spend with me. I guess he had to go clear another artery and scooted on down the hallway. When he walked away I said out loud, "I just stood there and let him tell me nicotine patches do not work, didnt I?" I glanced over at the woman sitting two chairs down and she just smirked at me.
There was a recent Harvard study on this, apparently, and I think he did mean that there's not magic bullet. If it works for you, great. But smokers also lie a lot.
From an article on it:
In the past, nicotine-replacement products have been effective in helping people quit smoking in the short term. However, this effectiveness seems to be restricted to a clinical setting in the real world, surveyed smokers using over-the-counter nicotine replacement products receive little benefit from the products.
The new study, which was published in the journal Tobacco Control earlier this month, also shows that nicotine replacement coupled with professional counselling offers no benefit for smokers looking to quit.
Csiernik sheds light on why relapse in smokers might be high, noting that factors affecting relapse are multidimensional. Contributing factors to relapse can be categorized along three dimensionsbiological, psychological and social, Csiernik says.
For smokers, the biological reasons relate to dependency liability, which relates to method of administration and the half life of nicotine combined with the behavioural reinforcement of the routine of smoking [and] socio-cultural context, he expands.
Post-secondary students are particularly influenced by stress and intensive tobacco marketing strategies. Health Canadas most recent statistics show that 12 per cent of Canadians between ages 15 and 19 smoke and 22 per cent of Canadians between ages 20 and 24 smoke. Programs such as Leave the Pack Behind acknowledge the prevalence of smoking in young adults and offer support.
The bottom line is that there is no simple resolution to drug addiction. How can you expect to resolve an issue that at a minimum takes months [or] more often years to develop in days or weeks or by [using] a stick of gum or a spray? Csiernik asks.
You and Hep should get together and form the Ten Pounds of Fun in a Five Pound Bag Club, or TPFFPBC. What a riot that would be. Your seal would be an image of some guy shaking his fists at the heavens with a thought bubble, WHY CAN'T THESE IDIOTS SEE HOW RIGHT I AM, ALL THE TIME.
This message has been edited by SquiddyBoy on Sep 6, 2012 10:03 AM
As to fasting - like Ginny, not as a plan. My normal appetite goes through cycles and I am pretty in tune with it. I eat when I am hungry and I eat what I am hungry for. I find that if I listen to my body, I end up with an okay balanced diet (as in, okay for me). Shockingly, sometimes I will go through a period where I crave a salad (VEGGIES! IKR?!).
There are periods of time for up to 4 days or so where I will just be "off" food. And I won't eat. I do notice that my water and juice consumption tends to go up during these times. My weight doesn't yo-yo though. Pretty steady there. I know I COULD fast, but like I said, I wouldn't do it on purpose.
re: "I irregularly eat two gummies when I think of it."
Not to be a pain, but do you really think that schedule provides you with any benefits?
I agree with the anon that said that people are taking vitamins without even knowing if they are deficient in anything. Most Canadians are deficient in D and should take that. I see nothing wrong with taking prenatal vitamins for hair and nail - have you heard that biotin does the same thing, maybe that's the same as some of the contents of pre-natal vitamins, not sure.
I was just quoting an article that I read that I can't find
For several years anytime I took any type of supplement (vitamin, echinacea, etc) I would get nasty cold symptoms afterward. Then I tried women's vitamins from GNC, and I didn't get any negative reactions. I take them mainly to get calcium.
Lizz (from WAY up there) - How I would LOVE to force-feed this kid, but as step-mom, I really can only make passive-aggressive suggestions. Plus, she's 15 and kind of past force-feeding. I always put a few veggies on her plate in case she's in the mood to try them (usually she does), but she never likes them, so meh. Her dad has "divorced parent syndrome" (something I made up from observation of divorced parents) and has a hard time making/enforcing rules. BUUUUUT, that's enough for another thread, probably.
I was just prescribed pre-natal vitamins (no, not pregnant), but just because. I got them, and opened them. OH MAH GAWD. I have never seen such a huge pill. It's red, and soft, and looks like a giant torpedo. I have a hair-trigger gag-reflex (I know, shut it) and started gagging a little just looking at it. Haven't even attempted to take one yet.