I know ED is somewhere hyperventilating because I used "punk rockers" to describe Green Day.
Btw, what they describe as a meltdown, I would describe as the appropriate response to being bumped for Usher. What the fuck were they doing there anyway? That looked like a Disney concert. Green Day isn't the greatest band in the world, but I would think they've earned a bit more credibility than performing at teen venues with Usher headlining.
This message has been edited by Hepatitis_C on Sep 24, 2012 11:43 AM
Think it's possible the drug problem is cover for having insulted a very important corporate monster?
He didn't look fucked up to me. He looked legitimately mad.
Later, with cooler heads, the threats of silence on the airwaves for all their songs, of lawsuits for failing to perform as contracted, and in general a promise of an ass-reaming to end all ass-reamings from the man... isn't it possible that they concocted a 'drug problem' and that explains everything?
I'm sort of with Squid, in that I assume a conspiracy, but I assume this was all done for PR.
they aren't relevant anymore.
I think they performed at the MVA's a couple weeks ago, and I was all like, "they look like they are trying too hard"
This was only to get us talking and thinking about them
I can't watch this video at work but I will later at home. I heard some teaser on the radio this morning that some band lead singer lost it at the iHeart radio concert but didn't know it was Green Day.
When will we stop putting "i" in front of everything - even those NON Apple? Annoys the crap out of me.
Seems stunty - but not necessarily to sell records but because the whole iHeartRadio thing is corporate bullshit - which they knew when they agreed to play it. The kiss ass facebook apology is the most disturbing aspect which is right where Squids conspiracy theory hangs its hooks.
The rehab thing - who knows? Probably bullshit too.
Some of us aren't THAT young anymore. Arguing the date against something said by a dude IN THE BAND is a little asinine. And Gwen Stefani? Is old. She has a hell of a plastic surgeon, though. Holla Back Girl was totally awesome but American Idiot wasn't, is that it?
Kids don't buy music, they steal it, right? He's mad at the industry, but there's no going back, Billie Joe. We all wish we were still 25, dude.
Face it, Rorypants. You're getting old too. Just because you like to dress your mutton as lamb by ignoring anything culturally relevant that has taken place longer than five years ago doesn't make you younger.
Early in their career, I felt the same about them as I do about Foo Fighters now. I wouldn't go so far as to buy one of their albums, but I also wouldn't change the channel if they came on the radio. When "Time of Your Life" came out, I gained some respect for Billie Joe as a song writer.
I never expected them to be around 20 years later. I thought for sure they'd be on Menudo Island with Blink 182, Sum 41, and all of the other Pop Punk bands that came and went through the years.
On the one hand, they should never have been bumped for Usher. On the other hand, they should never have agreed to perform that venue.
I had a similar experience when I tried to see SoundGarden at Lollapallooza. Wu Tang cancelled at the last minute because Vermont wouldn't celebrate Martin Luther King Day. As a result, SoundGarden were forced to go on early so Metallica could still take the stage at dusk. They played three songs and then Chris Cornell threw a tantrum, flipped off the audience and stalked off the stage.
Metallica played longer to make up for it, which was adding insult to injury for me. The only reasons I even went to that Lollapallooza was to see SoundGarden and Wu Tang, so it was a total loss.
Actually, it wasn't a total loss. I did get to see Rancid and Ween on side stages earlier in the day. Both of those bands are amazing live. Cornershop was also surprisingly good.
Metallica had no business even being there, let alone head-lining. They belonged at Nascar events and arena shows at that point in their career.
Some guy I dated for five minutes sent me the lyrics to time of your life when I stopped dating him there by ruining that song forever for me. I've erased it from my memory and every time it's mentioned I heat Dirty Dancing "I've had the time of my life, ...". It's the way I prefer it.
Arguing what? The only thing I was saying was that I thought it was a stunt.
I was actually mocking him for getting the date wrong, I wasn't using it to "prove" anything.
And I wasn't denying that he WAS culturally relevant. And who knows, maybe something good will come out of the record trilogy they are releasing, but I can tell you that right now they aren't being played on the Top 40 stations, where as Gwen, and her newly reassembled No Doubt are being played.
Do they really play any rock/punk music on top-40 radio these days, though? Is it really that Green Day is a bunch of has-beens, or is it that that whole genre of music is generally ignored by the Top 40 tween stations?
Even though I find Maroon 5's first album to be a great "rock" record, they moved away from that sound real quick into the the world of dance beats and drum machines - and sold tons more music than they would have otherwise, even though they kinda lost me along the way.
That said, Dave Matthew's new one debuted at #1 this week, and will probably drop off sharply in the coming weeks, but still, he probably has zero airplay on Top 40 stations and has outsold every single other performer for the week. But I think that we'd agree that Green Day at this point is probably more relevant than Matthews ----
I'm not sure top 40 radio is a sure sign of relevance since it is appealing to a very low common denominator and specifically, right NOW. Hell, Green Day was pretty irrelevant in 2007, five years ago, and hadn't had a hit in 3 years - would we actually be arguing that Kelis was #1 at the moment so was obviously had a bright future ahead?
Just questioning the yard stick we're measuring against.
I found Green Day extremely annoying in their early days but gained respect for them as they aged. I thought their music really matured. Jesus of Suburbia is most excellent and they do put on a good show. They're one of the only pop bands I like.
Metallica recieves The Whitney from me everytime unless I'm listening to Cliff years.
I mention Top 40 cause everything I'm saying is based on two assumptions
1. People 25 and under are spending the most money on music
2. People 25 and under listen to Top 40 (although I think that does start to drop off somewhat quickly after 20)
That's why I use the Top 40 as the yardstick. I used to hear old Green Day songs on Top 40 stations. And I don't know that I'd classify Green Day as Rock, but rather punk rock, which is more similar to the stuff they play on Top 40.
And again, their relevance wasn't the thurst of my earlier comments. It was a guess at why they figured they needed to pull a stunt to get PR. I see your point though.
Did I say I like Nickleback? Maybe I did. I don't like their new songs.
No, I said it's LIKE the stuff they play on top 40... punk rock can pass as a top 40 song. Top 40 isn't a specific genre, it's just what's popular at the moment. So if punk rock has a good beat, it will probably end up top 40. Neady's White Stripes have been Top 40 (or do you only like the guy?)
It's discouraging what is happening with music's staying power. My 12 year old will say to me "that song's so old" and I chuckle to her "it was being played once per hour just a couple of weeks ago"
That's what I have noticed with the way that our culture is going with social media and radio; a song's released, everyone hears it, loves it...(Sexy and I know it anyone?) then gets so overplayed that everyone even the tweens get annoyed with the song and it fades away forever.
Mass produced music, who can keep up.
Green Day's best song is and always will be, "Dominated Love Slave"
And the Usher connection to this? Allegedly Usher is more "relevant" than Green Day so they're going to GD's set short? Other than his Beiber connection, is Usher particularly relevant now? Wasn't his heyday a decade ago? This whole thing is suspect from many angles...
This message has been edited by Smirkdirk on Sep 25, 2012 12:30 PM
As I mentioned above, White Stripes have been Top 40, as have Green Day, Linkin Park (maybe you don't think that one is Rock enough).
I looked through one station's recently played list, and there was nothing that you would qualify as rock on it right now. It's kinda hard for me to pick bands and go "SEE!!" cause all I ever hear are the Top 40 songs, so I don't know what bands other songs sound like. But again what it comes down to is beat and people requesting it, but you're of course right that there will be division. A station that plays Usher and Lady Gaga, probably isn't goign to have a lot of people requesting Ramstein.
They are releasing a trilogy of albums, which apparently no one buys anymore, so were doing a string of "promotional" appearances. I still say he's just pissed off about how it works now.
Hell, I watched something about TRL recently...like Behind the Music or something. It was interesting. An artist would go on TRL, fans go wild, artist goes across street to Virgin MegaStore, sells 3 million albums that week. Then Napster. And that store closed. Just like that. And TRL was no more. It just doesn't work that way anymore, Billie Joe Sadface.
"Billie Joe Armstrong didn't make an ass of himself because he was drunk. He made an ass of himself because he doesn't realize that he is the exact thing that he spent his 15 minutes or so on stage crying about ... a rich, entitled pop singer who wouldn't be where he is today without the help of a bunch of music industry suits."
My 15 year old son piped up yesterday in the car and said "that Justin Bieber gets more ass than a proctologist"...I thought that was shareworthy.
As far as Billy Joe is concerned. Love him. But let's be clear. His last really good album was American Idiot almost ten years ago. It went to fucking Broadway. He pushes anti-establishment shit for the man. Whatever..