i see this as being the next thing on from bootlegs - taking parts of tunes - drumns from one, vocals from another, bass from another, adding extra sounds and effects, and making a complete mash-up....
these three are by control-k. tell me what you think.
ah, my cynical friend. i described it as the next step from bootlegging because of the idea of not just taking an acapella and an instrumental and mixing them, but mixing almost all the instruments from different tracks to make a new tune. i think there's a lateral progression there that can justify my statement.
and as for the "buy a sampler" paragraph, isn't that how many of the bootleggers create their tracks?
i sense you're a "glass is half empty" kinda person!
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...'dreaming of flexible....' contains about 10 different samples from different tunes, so did i produce the 'next step' on our internationally re-knowned album 'haggis trax' before all this 'bootleg' stuff caught on?...wahey....as coldcut once said -
'ahead of our time'*.
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I think though that Sleazy answers his own question:
"and making a complete mash-up...."
it's no longer a bootleg it's a mashup.
I'm with FB on this, Bootlegs have a demarcation where it's two songs put together, acapellas with instrumentals. everything else gets into that appropriation sampling arena, where anything goes.
"Bootlegs have a demarcation where it's two songs put together, acapellas with instrumentals. everything else gets into that appropriation sampling arena, where anything goes."
that's why i said it was the next step on from bootlegs. they aren't bootlegs, but they're similar. and yet they're not quite the complete mash-up spectacle. i think there's something in between.
and i also can't believe we're spending this much time trying to pigeon-hole ourselves! it's fun - enjoy it!
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let's take osymyso as an example. he is widely lauded as a talented and relevant part of the bootleg scene, and yet, by your definition, he doesn't make bootlegs.
"too many in gredients can simply spoil the broth."
it can, but not always. just using 1 acapella and 1 instrumental does not automatically make it a good track, fb.
"best not plug our side projects, eh?"
it's a forum. it's for plugging stuff.
frenchbloke, you are fast becoming king of the poo-poo! don't you ever smile?
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Furthering Bootleg...vs Taking a Step Back 'Proper Bootlegging'
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August 4 2002, 6:13 PM
Furthering Bootleg Ideas into other venues.
(all these ideas leave the dance floor though, which for me ends the Booty ideals. Bootlegs need to get people moving, their an offshot of dance music, at least that's how i perceive them.)
Osymyso IntroInspection (Jive Bunnies) - bit beats. sampled bits which make up a continuously evolving song. (Wobbly is the same idea just with extremely small bits) John Oswald's Plexure is the same idea.
TedShred's - Hip Hop Vs It All! Vol. 1 & 2 along with DJP and DJ Z-Trip's Uneasy Listening Vol.1
The idea of doing it live several turntables 'spontaneously', their stuff tends to be added beats onto music. Michael Jackson and Cookie Monster kicks.
ECC's Thimbletron - sampled backing beat and live addition of other samples (the vocals).
Someone posted recently to Rumori about a composer who has taken classical piano compositions and recombined them in live performances.
99-x-ballons - ? - taking two song of different languages and playing at the same time. (english and german in this case)
%20&M.E._8007133 - taking lots of Booties and adding in a little psycosis to move it into the noise/glitch relm.
ChartSweep - one sample from every single no.1 hit in the US from 1950's-1980's, a history lesson in pop music in one length of a cd.
other stupid bootleg ideas.
KrissCross - accapellas and instruments of different songs switch, there was a Britney Aguilera one which came close.
Hook&Beat switch - can the chorus or hook become the backing beat and the backing beat switch to become the hook, i don't know.\
to take a step back.
Proper Bootlegging
There have been alot of songs recently which take an instrumental (which never had vocals) and are combining it with an accapella from another song. Soundhog's Eninem and Love Boat theme being a fine example, it's a great combination but it lacks that process of removing the lyrics to add new lyrics. for me Proper Bootlegging means that the process of creation the stripping of insturments or vocals must take place before reconstruction can occur. anyone else feel this way? not that these other types aren't fantastic, they just have removed part of the process which made some of the originals interesting.
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yah your right it's not the Love Boat theme but it's another instrumental lovey duvey kind of tune, can't remember it's name though. and duh, the Love Boat theme does have vocals. "exciting and new..."
unfortunately i like to think things to death, i don't get out much so this is what i do. don't worry i'll disappear back into the woodwork again.
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wouldn't a track performed by a live band simply be a cover version, and god knows how bad that can be.
i.e. Westlife/Atomic Kitten not they could be described as a 'band'
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