I am also interested to know , actually there was talk about it last year. There appears to be very little progress being made thus far. However, hopefully someone in the know could enlighten us on the status.
Bro/Sis, about the talk that was going on... I doubt any progress with it. At the moment PNG does not allow dual Citizenship. Its either you be their citizen or not be their citizen. So in the mean time... I guess you and I will have to make that choice :-)Hope you all goes well with you.
Dual citizenship or not....There are so many people
who hold 2 passports, one of their birth country or whatever and the other of PNG.
And nobody cares or even wants to check, so why all this
Go ahead with the paper work and just get the passports done. I don`t think they`ll really do any follow-up checks or stuff like that.
PNG em bagarap yah. Noken toktok planti tumas. Give 100 bucks to any immigration official and tell him/her what you want. It should be done the next day. Noken westim taem. Politicians dig into citizenship aspects of promonent business man who are considered political threats, like Smith, Eastern Highlands Governor. You get your passport, (dual), and live peacefully, nobody will question you.
Check it out with David Sode now that the Internal Revenue Commission seems to be handling immigration at the airport. Story is they have until 18 to decide then it is one or the other, I decided that my kids would be Aussies because of too much bother with PNG passports.
Immigrations, citizenship and passport issues are handled by the department of foreign affairs.
Only the customs area is handled by David Sode and his crew at the airport or seaports. Customs is a function of Internal Revenue Commission (IRC).
That is where you pay tax for goods travellers bring into the country.
Dual Citizenship was not recognised in our constitution because that is what Australia wanted.
Now that the issue is active, Australia is behind closed doors activly lobying and advising PNG to maintain its constitution and NOT allow dual citizenship.
The reason for this is that it is in Australias best interest.
You see, According to the constitution of PNG, anyone born of to grand parents indiginous to what is now known as PNG is automatically a PNG citizen.
Now, that includes all people born in the Australian territory of Papua.
I am sure you have heard about Jonathan Baure and his mobs trying to claim Australian Citizenship.
Well, the Australian government is using PNG's dual citizen ship laws to prevent these people from getting Australian Citizenship.
Putting it simply, To Quote Australia's citizenship application: "If you were born in the territory of Papua prior to sept 16 1975 and at least 2 of your grand parents were also born in the territory of papua or surrounding areas, you automatically became a citizen of Papua New Guinea, as PNG does not recognise dual citizenship in its constitution you are not entitled to Australian citizenship."
So to cut a long story short, Australia will be activly "advising" PNG not to allow DUAL citizenship as doing this would mean that all the people born in Papua would be entitled to apply for their Australian Citizenship. Now with Australias big brother rascist mentality, that possibility scares the crap out of them.........
Now dont get me wrong, I am not advocationg the Papua Australians movement, I am simply stating what is fact. Australia uses PNG'S dual citizenship laws to protect Australia, it has nothing to do with the protection of PNG.
I think all those laws have change. If you want to became a aussie or a PR that are many ways you can become one. The most popular one is skilled migration. the other is being sponsored by family members who are already australian citizens of permanent residents.
The white Australian policy of the past no longer exists, even the Poms and the Kiwi have to apply through the same process so as other people around the world. PNG dual citizenship has got nothing to do with Australia. PNG is a independent country and can make the changes at will. Australia is not the only country in the to share citizenship with. What about Bougainville/PNG in the future or PNG/Solomon/Fiji/Vanuatu ??.
The Papua case is a dead issue and the as a act of parliament the policy on who is a Australian has changed and can not be reverted. The onus is on the goverment of PNG to make the changes.
you miss my point......
Weather you want to believie it or not, Australia has alot to do with PNG's current state of affairs, we the public do not see Aust interference in PNG Polotics on a day to day basis, but it is there. Aust manipulates, bribes, currupts etc etc for Australias benifit.....
Understand that first then figure out what i am saying........
Saibodo i agree you are a very confused. The issue of racism and dual citizenship are not connected.
Australians can have dual citezenship with many countires and there is no reason for the aussie government to fear aust/png dual citezenship. The PNG government has more to fear as it is possible that it could cause a "brain drain" similar to what has happend in New Zealand. Australia is suffering a skills crisis and i am sure its government would love to have PNG's skilled workers.
Saibodo, Pls you need to have facts to prove your point. I am a skilled PNGean working in Australia. I and All my colleagues from around the world including the Poms have to go through the same process to appliy our PRs.
I don't see your point here. You have to first apply for your PR and get Australian citizenship. Once you get your Aussie passport whether you keep your other passport(PNG) is a matter for the PNG government.Australia would not care less. Currently because of its national pride in 1975 PNG government only acceped one passport. The simply fact here is that PNG govt has not yet seen the benefit of dual citizenship and the issue does not affect the masses..To change the act its simply needs the numbers in parliament but the issue does not affect most of the MP so hence it has less priority. Dual Citizenship would be a gain for both countries.
The Australian administration at the time compared the Papuans has their own aboringinals so it had to stop the influx into Australia. Like the Europen migrants the papuan did not have any skills to contribute to the Australian economy.Otherwise it would saturate their welfare system.
Just one correction, the Kiwis and Poms don't have the same immigration arrrangements with Australia as PNG has with Australia. Aust & NZ have an existing arrangement for free labour mobility across the Tasman,Aussie and POMs had had their citizen movement arrangements well before the chickens came to roost.
I think saidodo has got a point. Australia is too big a power, and like the trukai rice issue and lamb flaps issue (Australia never helped PNG to grow rice, only so we could keep on importing, and dumping of lamp flaps in PNG) Australia is still behind the scenes determining what we do and what we do not do. It is in the interest of Australia that we remain a poor and weak country so as not to pose any threat.
I am still amazed by the fact that there are more cook islanders, Fijians, tongans etc in Australia than PNGeans.
PNG was a former colony of Australia and we should have the most number of people.
Only recently are highly trained PNGeans slowly migrating to Australia.
What Saibodo is saying is correct, be a bid broad minded and look at the big picture. You are so narrow minded that you cant even reason out what has been mention. PNG did stated clearly in the constitution and now Aussies use the same constitution to nail whoever wants to apply for that.
We stuffed it up prior to independence and now its abit tough eh..But why worry come back to PNG na stretim ples..yu laik go long Aussie mekim wanem..Our leaders were so narrow minded thinking PNG would exist on its own..they forgot to view PNG as part of the global village. But yeah things have changed since then.
If papua new guinean changes its constitution to allow dual citizenship, how then can australia "nail" who ever applies. The ball is in PNG's court.
And if there are meddeling aussies behind the scenes, png's leaders should be strong and tell them to nick off. If aussies behind the scenes really have that much power, australian police would still be in PNG as part of the aid package. But they are not against the australian government's wishes.
the australia "out to get you" mentality is very narrow minded. It seems as if nothing goes PNG's way it is somehow australia's fault. It is a very common way of thinking which prevents broad minded thought.
I agree...in the beginning, Australia wanted immigrants of only white race after they settled down on black fellas land...then they though they could use their heavy handed techtics to run PNG to protect their interests including their border, after colonising PNG after the Brits...ol ino save olsem PNG had brains to become independant, and when PNG did, they decided to try to keep Papua New Guineas out of Australia by trying all avenues to change their immigration laws, etc to do so meanwhile trying to brush everything under the carpet as though nothing ever existed between these two countries...don't get me wrong...there a good Aussies out there who know these facts and some who don't..and some (the government who just wish to not waste their time with PNG immigrations plea's...*sigh*
The High Commissioner to Australia, His excellency Mr Lepani together with the Consul general in Sydney office, has expressed their view and interest and had discussions with the PM and Foreign Affairs dept and particulary the PM Somare himself regarding the dual-citizenship issue.
As to date, you loose PNG Citizeship if you become citizen of another country or decide on which when you reach age of 18 for children with PNG & other country parents. Obviously most children living abroad turn to take the other country then PNG because of the many advantages.
PLEASE READ ON...
There are many people with heavy heart giving up their PNG Citizenship to gain other country's citizenship, it is not fair. It is not fair to go to PNG to your homeland or land of your father or mother, to the village as a tourist with a 3 months visa on a timeline to return before the 3 months. Not fair at all, you should stay there for as long as you like (just an example).
There are many children of PNG and other country parents or former PNG citizens who are very capable to help build our nation in all areas of development, they couldn't get the proper visas to enter PNG because they lost their PNG Citizenship. Instead we hire very very expensive people who dont know our culture and society to come and work in PNG. Not good!
THERE IS PROGRESS.... BUT it needs our support; those of us that has interests. What can we do to get this bill forwarded to the partiament and passed?
1. Write/email to the foreign affairs dept in Moresby
2. Express your concern in the nearest PNG Foreign diplomatic office, high commission, consulate etc.
3. With those above, express your views, history, the future, the advantages of having dual citizenship. Also express your views about what it has caused/cost for not having dual citizenship. Its the foreign diplomatic mission's responsibilities to report this to the head office.
4. If you're living in PNG, collect as many interested groups, individuals or yourself and let your views known to Foreign Affairs office.
Remember there are many MPs will support this bill because they have their interest. Simple... many of their children are studying overseas..etc
A GOOD START & PROGRESS
I have had discussions with the Australian High Commission in Canberra and they fully support it but said we need to put in our interest and support for it as well. I am starting a campaign starting from Canberra and reaching out to rest of Australia. I am collecting signatures, stories, articles, views, anything to support the move for dual citizenship and will present it to the PMs dept or Foreign Affairs in Port Moresby, mid this year 2011.
PNG COMMUNITY in Australia please I need your support... any PNG Association including student association please express your view here.
PLEASE KEEP AN EYE ON THIS FORUM... as I will post information regarding blogs, a website that I might create for this purpose, email address of people to contact and other necessary information.
DUAL CITIZENSHIP HAS MANY BENEFITS. GOOD FOR OUR PEOPLE, OUR COUNTRY.
(LISTEN! PROFESSIONAL & MATURE RESPONSES ONLY, NO CHILDISH OR IMMATURE RESPONSES)
I am a long-time resident, a PNGian who is refusing to apply for Australian citizenship.
I know I will be granted an Aussie citizenship, which would mean I am no longer a Papua New Guiean. I will need to apply for a visitor visa to enter PNG. Hence, my reluclance to become an Ozzie.
Our problem is PNG, not Australia. PNG has the onus to allow her people - dual citizenship.
Perhaps the decision makers are not aware of our concern - they have more important things to worry about. We need to petition the PNG government for dual citizenship. Power is in numbers. Why not bring this to the authorities as a group?
Read this article from Post Courier, dated 23rd Aug 2012.
Govt considers dual citizenship
PAPUA New Guineans who want to become citizens of Australia or New Zealand may do so in the future.
Dual Citizenship is now on the agenda for the current ONeil-Dion Government as announced by the Governor-General Sir Michael Ogio in his address to the nation this week while officially opening the Ninth Parliament.
The issue, together with the asylum seekers processing centre in Manus, indemnity legislation, the Parliamentary Powers and Privileges Act, the extension of the current Parliament five-year term, the election of the Prime Minister, the Judicial Conduct Bill and many other Acts and legislative amendments and others will be discussed and decisions taken by the National Executive Council in the next two weeks.
Foreign Affairs Minister Rimbink Pato told the Post- Courier yesterday that the issue of Dual Citizenship together with the Foreign Policy matter and PNGs idea to promote increased investment and free travel between Australia and NZ will be discussed thoroughly with important stakeholders, especially the Attorney-Generals office before it gets to Cabinet then to the floor of Parliament. He could give further details of the latter.
This is a very important issue for Papua New Guinea, but I need to sit down with you and we discuss this further because it requires a lot of technical and legal explanations, Mr Pato said.
When asked about the details yesterday, Prime Minister Peter ONeill told the Post-Courier that Cabinet had already met on all these issues, including the Dual Citizenship Act matter and had already directed the Attorney-General and its office to deal with the issue, come up with and finalise the legal advice on the issue and prepare the instruments for Cabinet to deliberate on before it goes to the floor of Parliament in two weeks time.
"".....under the proposed amendments, dual citizens would not be permitted to vote, stand for public office, acquire freehold land or obtain access to sensitive documents under freedom of information.""