Hey you can always change the topic! ;-)by Earthborn (no login)
> ok, immediately after reading that, i had 2
> thoughts. the first is whether or not to continue
> debating this topic :)
Hey you can always change the topic! ;-)
> from my pov, body and mind are not one, even though
> they may be connected. you are not your body. you
> are your mind. your mind controls your body,
> therefore your mind is in charge of this whole life
> thing. your body is merely a carriage to allow your
> mind the ability to create, travel, and socialize
> with other minds.
You are so wrong! 'Your mind is in charge...' PFFFFT!
Let me tell you about an experiment that has been done many times.
A test subject gets a few electrodes attachted to his/her shoulders (don't ask me exactly where, but it has to be specific spot). You tell this person it is to measure something in their muscles. You let them do some bogus task, and after a while you send a small current to the electrodes that will force the person to pull up his/her shoulders. Then you ask why he/she did that.
The most likely answer is: "Oh, I just felt like doing that.", or another excuse.
This isn't the only situation where it has been proven that people often just rationalize behavior they have no control over. In many cases people will say that they consciencely choose to do something, while in fact something in their spine or brainstem forced them to do it. Usually the conscienceness comes last. The body often controls the 'mind' instead of the other way around! Only in quite rare situations can you inhibit such automatic behavior consciencely, but only if you are well aware of it. This is to protect yourself against dangers that require a more or less rational respons.
> the heart and lungs are not part of the mind, but
> are instruments in which the mind uses to sustain
> it's life as well as the life of the body in which
> it inhabits.
You could equally say that our brains are just there to make sure our hearts and lungs can survive.
Some biologists say that our bodies are just instruments for our genes to procreate. It's all just a matter of perspective. If you look at your body from the point of view of your little toe, it will seem like it is all there protect and feed it.
However, it is silly to look at our bodies this way. For you to survive you need a brain just as much as you need a heart, lungs, liver or kidneys. All the organs are there to serve and to be served by all the others. The brain is no exception.
So are you just your mind, stuck away in a part of your brain? Or would 'you' disappear if I parted your brain from your body? (I'm not talking about the metaphysical possibilty of a soul here that might live of forever. That's an entirely different discussion!)
> this example isn't exactly the same as a terminal
> illness, however, the methods used here in deciding
> what to do there are closely related.
Why are 'the methods used in deciding' closely related in a situation where someone IS able to choose themselves? I think they are quite different.
> especially after the medical bills kept pilling up,
> which, sadly, is the reason many comatose patients
> are not alive today.
Well, get yourself a decent way of financing medical care then! ;-) (I assume you are from the US)
Healthcare for everyone! Either you are with Hippocratus or you're with the Axis of Evil! ;-)
(Oh yeah, if you did manage to get such a system, make sure the politicians continue to give it priority. Or else you can get in a pretty big mess (UK and elsewhere))
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