>So how can they not exist if they're in God's memory?
First, let me quote a few scriptures, and give a brief explanation of why I included each.
(Matthew 10:29-31): "Do not two sparrows sell for a coin of small value? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground without YOUR Father's [knowledge]. 30 But the very hairs of YOUR head are all numbered. 31 Therefore have no fear: YOU are worth more than many sparrows."
God knows every detail about us (including the exact number of hairs on your head), so recreating us from memory.
(Psalm 139:16) Your eyes saw even the embryo of me, And in your book all its parts were down in writing, As regards the days when they were formed And there was not yet one among them.
Same reason. He knows us that well.
(Luke 20:37-39): "But that the dead are raised up even Moses disclosed, in the account about the thornbush, when he calls Jehovah 'the God of Abraham and God of Isaac and God of Jacob.' 38 He is a God, not of the dead, but of the living, for they are all living to him." 39 In response some of the scribes said: "Teacher, you spoke well.""
The footnote in verse 38 says: "Or, "living from his standpoint.""
So, even though those people are actually dead, to God, it is as if they were still alive, because he remembers them, and is anxious to bring them back, because he loves them.
(Job 14:13-15): "O that in SheŽol you would conceal me, That you would keep me secret until your anger turns back, That you would set a time limit for me and remember me! 14 If an able-bodied man dies can he live again? All the days of my compulsory service I shall wait, Until my relief comes. 15 You will call, and I myself shall answer you. For the work of your hands you will have a yearning."
The word translated "Hell" in some Bible is actually either the Hebrew word "Sheol", or the Greek word "Hades". That is why I say "Hell" is not a bad place to be. But notice the beautiful thought in verse 15: "For the work of your hands you will have a yearning."? This goes along with my statement about him being anxious to bring back those he loves.
(Daniel 12:13): "And as for you yourself, go toward the end; and you will rest, but you will stand up for your lot at the end of the days."
This is a transistion into my next point. Notice how death is referred to as "rest".
(John 11:11-15): "He said these things, and after this he said to them: "LazŽa·rus our friend has gone to rest, but I am journeying there to awaken him from sleep." 12 Therefore the disciples said to him: "Lord, if he has gone to rest, he will get well." 13 Jesus had spoken, however, about his death. But they imagined he was speaking about taking rest in sleep. 14 At that time, therefore, Jesus said to them outspokenly: "LazŽa·rus has died, 15 and I rejoice on YOUR account that I was not there, in order for YOU to believe. But let us go to him.""
Again, death is very like sleep. As you probably know, Jesus resurrected him several days after his death.
(Acts 7:60): "Then, bending his knees, he cried out with a strong voice: "Jehovah, do not charge this sin against them." And after saying this he fell asleep [in death]."
(1 Corinthians 15:6): "After that he appeared to upward of five hundred brothers at one time, the most of whom remain to the present, but some have fallen asleep [in death]."
Again, it is like sleep.
(Ecclesiastes 9:4-6): "For as respects whoever is joined to all the living there exists confidence, because a live dog is better off than a dead lion. 5 For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten. 6 Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they have no portion anymore to time indefinite in anything that has to be done under the sun."
(Ecclesiastes 9:10): "All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in SheŽol, the place to which you are going."
The dead are unconscious. It is like deep sleep. They are not self-aware, or aware of anything. They have no emotions or thoughts. They are dead.
(Psalm 146:4): "His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; In that day his thoughts do perish."
Please read that carefully.
(Genesis 3:19): "In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return."
Again, we become dust.
That is what I meant by nonexistance. The bodies decay, they have no consciousness. They are dead. But to God, it is as if they are alive, because they will become so again. There is no uncertainty. Theyr are not alive now, but they WILL come back in the future.
(John 5:25-30): ""Most truly I say to YOU, The hour is coming, and it is now, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who have given heed will live. 26 For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted also to the Son to have life in himself. 27 And he has given him authority to do judging, because Son of man he is. 28 Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment. 30 I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative; just as I hear, I judge; and the judgment that I render is righteous, because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him that sent me."
As a sidepoint "those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment" refers to deeds committed _after_ thier resurrection. This must be because of Romans 6:7.
(Revelation 20:11-15): "And I saw a great white throne and the one seated on it. From before him the earth and the heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. 12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened. But another scroll was opened; it is the scroll of life. And the dead were judged out of those things written in the scrolls according to their deeds. 13 And the sea gave up those dead in it, and death and HaŽdes gave up those dead in them, and they were judged individually according to their deeds. 14 And death and HaŽdes were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire. 15 Furthermore, whoever was not found written in the book of life was hurled into the lake of fire."
A wonderful thing indeed!
Whether "nonexistence" is the correct technical term for me to use, I am not sure at the moment. But, I'm thinking it is. I'd have to check to be certain, but my dad wants me to do something now.
|Response Title||Author and Date|
|Well I don't believe in nonexistence||Chandler on Oct 12|
|nor do i chandler||mennonite on Oct 12|
|it's an interesting thought, so let me just emphasize that part.||mennonite on Oct 12|
|i'm not done poking at death according to atheists yet.||mennonite on Oct 12|
|Well here's a thought.||Chandler on Oct 13|
|Energy can neither be created nor destroyed :-p||on Oct 13|
|Additional theory about animals...||on Oct 13|
|something from nothing||'lipse on Oct 13|
|That's an interresting theory 'lispe||on Oct 13|
|Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle?||on Oct 14|
|Re: Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle?||'lipse on Oct 14|
|WOW! This old topic!!!!!||on Nov 27|
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