Razdel mezx Slovio i sintetikju jazikas, takak Esperantio ili Slavidio, es zxe Slovio razumijut cxtirsto milion Slavianis bez ucxenie i tot sintetikju jazikas razumijt nikto bez ucxenie (ili bez mucxenie).
Eugeniusz,
rozumiet mozno rozumie, ale nedokazu nim hovorit ani pisat. Je to pre nich
taky isty cuczi jazyk, ako akykolvek iny prirodzeny slovansky.
Bez ucenia nik nedokaze hovorit a pisat v tomto jazyku.
Dajme tomu, ze by sa ho naucil nejaky nemec. On bude v tomto jazyku hovorit, my ho budeme rozumiet, ale mi mu nedokazeme odpovedat
(alebo odpovieme v niektorom prirodzenom slovanskom jazyku) a uz je tu
problem, pretoze ten nemec, anglican, alebo talian uz nedokaze rozumiet slovanskym jazykom. V Sloviu sa pise, ze bez ucenia. Ja sa pytam - bez akeho
ucenia ?Ako chces prinutit "tych 400 milionov Slovanov" aby sa zacali ucit
tuto slovnu zasobu. Ja ti napr. pisem v Slovencine.Ty sa snazis pisat v Sloviu.
Mozno ze mi nieco rozumies, pretoze si poliak. Kedze nase staty susedia vedla seba, tak historickym vyvojom su si nase jazyky dost blizke, spolu aj
s cestinou (hoci su tam urcite rozdiely, ale celkovo sa rozumieme).
Ako by nam ale rozumeli napr. Slovinci, Bulhari, Macedonci. To nie je take
jednoduche, ako sa to na prvy pohlad zda. Bud si isty, ze oni ti mozno budu nieco rozumiet, ked budes hovorit v Sloviu, ale bez ich ucenia Slovia, ty nebudes rozumiet im natolko, aby to nerobilo problemy. Vyskusaj si to a uvidis.
Takze tento jazyk sa treba ucit, ako kazdy iny, aby si nim dokazali slovania
hovorit a pisat. Takze aj to je ucenie - mucenie.A ver mi, ludom sa to nechce.
Takze toto, co si napisal je absolutna blbost (s prepacenim):
Slovio mozxete upotrebit dnes dla komunikacia so cxtirsto milion Slavianis.
Skus upotrebit dla komukacia toto Slovio a bud si isty, ze ti nikto neodpise,
alebo ti napise vo svojom jazyku,ktoremu zase ty nebudes nezumiet.
Oni sa nebudu trapit vyhladavanim slovicok v tej slovknig a odpisovat ti.
To je velmi zdlhava komunikacia - to oni robit jednoducho nebudu.
A este nie (ako to ty pises)400 milionov ludi. To je nezmysel, co pises !
A este k tomu "tvojmu" Milosevicovi, ako ho nazyvas MUCXNIK.
To bol jednoducho zaryty komunista, ktory obratil svoje zbrane a armadu
proti dalsim slovanskym narodom a suhlasil zo strelbou do nich.
To je jedno ci to boli Slovinci, Chorvati, alebo Bosniaci. Boli to ale Slovania.
Netvrdim, Bus je tak isto vojnovy kriminalnik, ale on nezabijal americanov,
on dal zabijat cudzi narod. To je sice taktiez neospravedlnitelny cin, za ktory
by mal sediet v kriminale pre vojnovych zlocincov, ale este horsie to robil
Milosevic, pretoze on, ako "hlava statu" suhlasil s vrazdenim SLOVANOV !
Srbi tvrdia, ze napr. chorvati su fasisti. Samozrejme nasli sa tam zradcovia.
Ale tak isto zradcovia a kolaboranti boli v kazdom zo slovanskych narodov, ci uz v Chorvatsku, Slovensku, Cechach, Polsku, Ukrajine, ale aj samotnom Rusku. V kazdom narode sa najdu kolaboranti (tak isto to mas aj v sucasnom Iraku). Mena ako ustasovci, vlasovci, benderovci a pod. boli len tie znamejsie. Takychto skupin bolo v slovanskych krajinach vsade dost.
To ale neznamena, ze teraz mame vyvrazdit cely slovansky narod, pre to,
ze na jeho uzemi boli takyto ludia (ci uz vo vlade, alebo v horach).
To by sme sa potom museli navzajom asi vsetci vyvrazdit.
Tak isto to robil aj Stalin v byvalom ZSSR. Za jeho vlady a spolu s jeho prisluhovacmi statilo zivot viac ako 20 milionov Slovanov !
Alebo si myslis, ze niektore slovanske narody su viac ako tie druhe ?
Takto sa chovali a chovaju este aj v sucasnosti Rusi. Tak sa velmi cudujem
preco napr. Slovio obsahuje vela ruskych slov a aj podstatna cast jeho
gramatiky je ruskeho charakteru. Ja ked som dal citat nejaky clanok cechom,
a slovakom, tak mi povedali, ze je to ako nieco medzi rustinou a rusinstinou.
Ako sa na to maju potom pozerat ostatne slovanske narody. Nebolo hadam
uz dost tej ruskej expanzie a nadradenosti nad ostatnymi slovanskymi narodmi ? Samotni rusi (to je jedno aky tam bol statny system, pretoze vacsina z nich boli a stale su riadne "zadubeni" , sposobili napr. poliakom,
cechom a slovakom vela zleho. To ze nas oslobodili, tak to bolo aj v ich zaujme, pretoze keby boli zahnali nemcov len za svoje hranice - ti by sa po case znovu vschopili a bolo by to dopadlo vsetko inak, ako to dopadlo. Nemci by boli ovladli po case takmer celu Europu a znovu by boli napadli rusov. Cize, oni ich jednoducho museli porazit "na hlavu" a dojst az do Berlina k Reichstagu, aby mali od nemcov pokoj.
Takze nerobme z rusov nejakych dobrodincov. Oni to mali hlavne vo svojom vlastnom zaujme, pretoze keby nas mali tak radi ako ozajstnych bratov, tak by nikdy nedopustili mordovanie slovanov v ruskych gulagoch, invaziu do Polska v 1953 a invaziu do Ceskoslovenska v 1968 roku. Tak isto vrazdili a strielali do ludi a pohranicnikov v byvalej Juhoslovie po 2. svetovej vojne, ked obsadili severnu a vychodnu hranicu byvalej Juhoslavie, pretoze Tito sa nechcel "podrobit" ich natlaku. Rusi maju tiez dost agresivnu
povahu ! To ale potom nie je rovnopravnost medzi slovanskymi narodmi.
BYT BRATOM, TO NEZNAMENA HO UTLACAT ALEBO ZABIJAT.
Tak to rusi vinovati? Interesno! Znaj raznicu mezxdu rusi i sovetskimi. SSSR i Rossija to je velka raznica.
Hmmm... So what our brother-slavoniks think about russians? If to be honest, russians like all slavonics, but have a little mistrust to polish and western ukrainian whose are rusophobs and take rusophob's politic.
Mi sloviani es(su) producti nasz historii.
Kak je napisal ranie ..
All Slavs In One Country
So why are the Slavs so divided?
Two basic reasons ...
1. foreign domination.
2. geographic distance and resulting linguistic evolution.
Foreign domination has been the unfortunate past of almost all Slavs to various degrees. The resistance to this domination has shaped our character as well as divided us. It has lead us to adopt foreign religions and foreign economic and political systems ..... from kingdoms (serfdom) to communism (dictatorship). Slavs were not as militaristic ... nor as brutally assimilationist as were other groups. Not because we are or were superior.
In the past we simply had more resources and land .... so we never needed to give up our freedom to form hierarchical societies. If anyone tried to impose a hierarchical society on us .... we just disappeared into our vast lands. So when the hungry invaders came …. from poor lands they stole what they could … our products as well as our people … And we Slavs treated this as any natural disaster … and continued on with our lives.
Until our population grew and until we started to realize that we were heading for collective assimilation and extinction … some of our leaders did …. The majority of us have not grasped this yet.
So our first leaders realized they needed something to “unite us against the German threat … over 1100 years ago. So they brought in Christianity …. But they wanted a Christianity that would preserve our identities. So they saw the split in the Church … which was not official yet … and asked the Pope in Constantinople for missionaries … to translate the Bible into a Slavik language …. Slovak. And thus was born the Cyrillic alphabet … and thus were born the modern names of the major language groups of Slavs … and the encroaching enemy the Germans.
So the Slovaci (people with words) … were opposed to the Nemci (mute – people without words). Then there were other Slavic groups … that were not Nemi … but a bit different …. Poliaci (who lived in the fields - pole) … Horvati (who live in the hills (hora) Ukrainci … who lived at the edge of Slavic lands (u kraj) …. And Rusi (who still practice slash and burn agriculture and moved a lot (from rushaci .. rushat’ sa .. to move).
So this is why Slavs became Christian … in resistance to assimilation. Then eventually …. The Germans did take control of them … and imposed Catholicism on the ones they conquered. And thus those were forced to stop using the Cyrillic alphabet …. And adopt the Latin one … Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, Croatians, Slovenes. Then in the south a new religion came …. Though more tolerant that Catholicism … it “encouraged Slavs” through taxation laws to convert to Islam. But at least the Slavs … in most regions did not suffer the full assimilation … like the Sorbians in Eastern Germany or the Prussians and Pomeranians.
In other areas the Slavs were conquered by other people … and though they did not all assimilate … they took on many of the words of their conquerors … so the differences of geography now became even greater because of more linguistic differences. In other cases some Slavic groups were split up by invaders … the Slovaks and Slovenes … at one time the same group (Slovenski narod) … were divided by the invading Hungarians … who eventually assimilated all the Slovaks in the region. The Bulgars also were invaders … and in their area … they assimilated to the Slavic language … but simplified it … by dropping the declensions. In other countries Slavs suffered brutal assimilation …. Like in Greece … where they were even forced to change their last names.
So the Slavs are a divided people … and that is why. And these divisions have been used against the Slavs .. differences have been flamed into hatred … then atrocities were instigated and encouraged … which lead to wars and betrayals among the Slavs. And as a result …. We died …. By the tens of millions …
And we still have not learned our lesson!!
Will we ever?
Maybe some day … when like England and the US … bitter enemies for a long time … they realized they needed to unite … to preserve their Empires and economic and military power by uniting against those that wanted to take it from them … The Germans, Japanese and the Soviets.
But Slavs have a lot of blind spots …. And still do not know their history. Nor are we willing to work for common benefit. So far the foreign invaders have done a good job of dividing the Slavs!
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Geographic distance and resulting linguistic evolution – due to progress and scientific and cultural growth … different Slavic groups adopted different foreign words … as well as constructed Slavic words from Slavic roots … but in different ways.
After the “liberation” of the Slavic peoples … and the creation of countries …. Each Slavic group tried to become a “powerful and larger group” … and made attempts to assimilate others in their “country” … either mildly or forcefully … which lead to resentments … resentments then further fueled by religious differences which often accompanied the linguistic differences.
Foreign invaders and local ultra-nationalists wisely exploited these resentments…. And still exploit them to this day.
So … perhaps it is time to wake up!!
How many more millions of Slavs need to die in the name of religion and foreign imposed differences?
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Tak to rusi vinovati? Interesno! Znaj raznicu mezxdu rusi i sovetskimi. SSSR i Rossija to je velka raznica.
Hmmm... So what our brother-slavoniks think about russians? If to be honest, russians like all slavonics, but have a little mistrust to polish and western ukrainian whose are rusophobs and take rusophob's politic.
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Àíãëèöêè èìàò ñêàçàíèå "Don't judge a person until you have walked a mile in his shoes". - íå ñóäè(é) ÷åëîâåê(à) äî òîãî ÷òî òè íå ïðåêðà÷àë åäíà ìèëÿ âî éåãî îáóâè(õ)
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Ja ne dumat(mislet) kak mnogi slaviani.
Ja znat(vediet) historia nasz slavianski ludi(h).
Anglicki imat skazanie "Don't judge a person until you have walked a mile in his shoes". - ne sudi(j) czelovek(a) do togo czto ti ne prekraczal edna milja vo jego obuvi(h)
Slovaci imat skazanie "hlad czertu brat" (holod es brat diabol(a))
Slaviani li vi razumit za czto kommunisti pribil v vlasti(vladi)?
V moi dedina(derevna) v cintorin bil cztiri scori(riadi) deti(h) dla kazzdi
szor(riad) stari(h).
Posle, kad kommunisti bil v vlasti(vladi), deti ne umiral.
Pred kommunisti - to ne bil raj(nebesa)
Mi slaviani musit(dolzzni) razumit czto es priczina dla vse.
Mi slaviani musit(dolzzni) razumit etot priczina - tak mi ne budet bistro sudit drugi slavianski ludi(h).
Mi slaviani musit(dolzzni) razumit - "kak mi vidit veci, zavisit na ktor storona zabor(a) mi nahodit.
A kto si vybral komunistov v 1917 roku ?
Slovaci ? Cesi ? Poliaci ?
to sa sami rusi rozhodli, ze najprv bude komunizmus v rusku a potom "prinutia" ostatnych slovanov, cez svoje "nastrcene babky" vo vladach jednotlivych statov, aby tam presadili komunizmus.
Od r. 1948 vsetko v CSR, Polsku kontrolovali rusi [vladu, ktoru si "vybojovali" sami rusi v 1917 roku. Potom nasledovali "politicke cistky" v kazdej krajine "vychodneho bloku", s perzekuciami, vrazdami nevinnych ludi, obmedzovanim osobnej slobody atd.
Este stale zastavate komunistov ? precitajte si knihy ako Suostrovie Guylag,
Katinske procesy, Jachymovske peklo a pod.
Pouc sa z historie.
Pocas komunistickej nadvlady zomrelo nasilnou smrtou [rukami vlastnych slovanov] od 1917 do 1990 okolo 50 milionov slovanov vo vsetkych slovanskych krajinach. To neurobil ziadny iny narod na tejto zemi voci svojim vlastnym ludom a bratom od existencie Homo Sapiens az do dnesnych dni.
Slovanov nielen ze vrazdili ine narody - oni sa vrazdili aj sami navzajom
po cele storocia. [vid. invazia a kynozenie Poliakov Rusmi pocas Napoleonskych vojen].
Slovak nikdy nezabijal Poliakov, Slovincov, ale Rusi a Srbi ano.
Preco to tak muselo byt ?
Tuto otazku si musi zodpovedat kazdy z nas a dojde k jednemu zaveru -
- ale to uz necham na vas.
À ãäå áè áèë êîììóíèñòè ëè ðóñè íåìàë âîéíà è áåäà(áåäíîñò)?
Ïðå ÷òî áèë âîéíà?
À êàê æèë ñëàâèàíñêè íàðîä â åòè ÷àñè(õ)?
Ïðå ÷òî öóäçè àðìèéè ïðèäåë âî ðóñèà?
Ñêàæè(é) íàì .. è òàê âè áóäó ðàçóìèò ïðå öõòî âåöè çäåëàë ðóñêè ëóäè.
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A gde bi bil kommunisti li rusi nemal vojna i beda(bednost)?
Pre czto bil vojna?
A kak zzil slavianski narod v eti czasi(h)?
Pre czto cudzi armiji pridel vo rusia?
Skazzi(j) nam .. i tak vi budu razumit pre chto veci zdelal ruski ludi.
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A vi tepr bi ne pisali tut po slovenski kak bi nebil ruski i srpski ludi.
Vi bi tepr pisali madarski ili nemecki.
Li vi na znat vasz historia?
Od madarov a nemcov sme si to vybojovali sami - ziadny rusi nam v tom nepomahali. Napr. Stredne Slovensko oslobodzovali rumunske vojska [na to sa este pamataju stari ludia - spytaj sa ich].
Keby nebolo "komunistickeho prevratu" v Rusku, tak by to vo vychodnej europe vyzeralo uplne inak. Boli by sme viac rozvinuty, urcite by sme si zachovali nase jazyky [to pochybujem, ze by to niekto zmenil] Napr. kto zmenil slovinsky jazyk ? Nikto ! A Slovinci su momentalne najprogresivnejsi a najrozvinutejsi slovansky narod. Priemerna mzda je tam okolo 40 OOO korun za mesiac. Maju vyssiu zivotnu uroven ako napr. Portugalci a Greci a pomaly predbehnu aj Spanielov. Aku ma zivotnu uroven napr. taky priemerny rus, alebo poliak, alebo slovak ? Tam je to velka bieda [v priemere].
Nechcem zastavat "zapad", ale tam bola, je a zrejme aj vzdy bude vyssia zivotna uroven, ako vo vychodnej Europe [aj po osamostnaneni sa]. Pozri sa na bielorusov, ukrajincov, ale aj vacsiny rusov ako tam ziju obycajni ludia.
Vies problem je v celkovom mysleni tychto ludi. Ziadny prevratny vynalez, alebo nejaky super zlepsovak nikdy neprisiel z Ruska, Bieloruska, Ukrajiny.
Pozri sa na vedcov, vynalezcov. To co pouzivas kazdy den - co si myslis, ze to pochadza zo "zaostaleho" Ruska ? Ano, za komunistov sme mali pracu,ale kolko si zarobil v prepocte na libry, dolare, marky, franky a pod. Ked sa v zahranici, napr. na dovolenke v Taliansku stretol Poliak, Slovak, Rus s Nemcom, Francuzom, Anglicanom, tak co myslis, kto bol na tom lepsie ?
Bohuzial, je to tak, ze my slovania sme boli vzdy "zanedbana cast Europy"
a este sme si to "spestrili" komunistickym rezimom, jeho represaliami a celkovou technickou "zaostalostou". Na tom zrejme nikdy nic nezmenime.
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Ja vidit czto vi ste kak mnogi slavianski ludi.
Vi hcet nahodit kolektivnu vinu v tom ili tom narodi.
Ja ne poderzzivat ni komministi, ni faszisti, ni kapitalisti, ni korolevci, ni democrati, ni diktatori. Ja tolk znat tie historicki, ekonomicki, i kulturni priczini - prichini pre czto vse veci sluczal.
V Rusia kommunisti ne pridel k vlasti pre to czto Rusi es zli ludi.
V Nemecko faszisti ne pridel k vlasti pre to czto Nemci es zli ludi.
V America kapitalisti ne pridel k vlasti pre to czto Americanci es zli ludi.
Vse veci czto sluczal v historia - sluchal dla mnogi priczini. A ne pre to czto tie ili tie ludi es zli.
Slovaci kazat "hlad czertu brat"
I po-anglicki kazat - "Do not judge a man until you have walked a mile in his shoes"
Pomislej na tie kazanie - pered czto vi budu obsudit tie ili tie ludi.