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AN IDEAL ARTIFICIAL LANGUAGE

June 19 2006 at 5:56 PM
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AN IDEAL ARTIFICIAL LANGUAGE



Several criteria have been proposed for an "ideal" international artificial language,

some of which are rather more achievable than others.



Easy to learn

This is usually taken to mean that the grammar has to be regular and simple, compared

to that of natural languages; the semantic formation of words has to be based on clear

principles; the spelling should be phonetic; and there should be no difficult sounds.



Relatable to mother tongues

I should be possible to translate into and out of any natural languages with comparable

ease; its structure would be flexible, capable of reflexting the idiom of the speaker´s

own language; it would desplay many universal features of language, and use word roots

that have a history of international use.



A rich range of functions

I must be able to fulfil the ordinary needs of everyday speech and writing, as well as

the specialized needs of science, religion, trade, sport, politics, etc. It must also be capable

of being used in international communications media, such as telegrams, internet (e-mails), radio, and television.



Standardized

There should be no dialectal variation, in order to avoid the risk of reduced intelligibility.

An authoritative body would monitor all proposals for new forms.



Neutral

It must be politically and linguistically unaligned, and therefore equally acceptable to all

countries. Many artificial language supporters see this as an indispensable step towards

the unity of mankind and a world of peace.



Providing insight

Several artificial language supporters see international communication as only one aim.

They also hope that the greater regularity and clarity of this language will enable people

to think more logically or rationally, and thus establish a deeper understanding of the nature

of reality. This search for a philosophical language, in which words and ideas would be logically linked without ambiguity or irregularity, was particularly common in 17th-century

artificial languages, which were generally in the form of taxonomies of concepts expressed

in a complex notation.

 
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July 19 2006, 6:38 AM 

Yes. It's Esperanto.

 
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July 19 2006, 11:49 AM 

Not for Chinese speakers :O

 
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July 19 2006, 3:06 PM 

For Chinese speakers, it is still closer to the ideal than Ido, Novial, Interlingue, Interlingua, Slovio or other unsuccessful attempts.

 
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July 19 2006, 5:57 PM 

how is it closer? some Chinese speakers say it is as difficult to learn Esperanto as French

 
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July 19 2006, 6:12 PM 

How could it be the same difficult for a Chinese to learn 81 French irregular verbs compared to 0 Esperanto ones?

 
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July 19 2006, 7:10 PM 

Esperanto? Tolk dla ludi kto gvorit Germanikju, Slavju ili Romanju jazika.

Eugemiusx

 
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July 20 2006, 7:48 AM 

Esperanto is quite popular in Hungary and in China ...

 
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July 20 2006, 12:38 PM 

this difficulty is offset by the fact that there is a lot more literature published in French and while it might take more TIME to learn French it won't be MORE DIFFICULT

 
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July 20 2006, 2:32 PM 

There is so much literature in Esperanto that an ordinary learner wouldn't be able to read it during his/her whole life ... not to speak about the literature in French.

 
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July 20 2006, 5:17 PM 

But is there enough interesting literature to YOU or ME?

 
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July 20 2006, 7:33 PM 

If there is at least one kind of literature that is interesting for you, you will certainly find that kind of literature in Esperanto.

 
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July 20 2006, 7:44 PM 

The only literature I read are books on Texas Hold'em (that's the most popular variety of poker)

I'm serious, I have not read any other book other than Texas Hold'em books for the last year.

 
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July 20 2006, 8:18 PM 

Do Gabriel:
Ti es poslusxnik Esperantom. Kak mzxuo zxe ti kreatit piat verzia om PISAL? Slavju jazika tolk imat cxtir i Esperanto tolk din.

Eugeniusx

 
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July 20 2006, 9:34 PM 

So I take the four versions from Slavic languages and the fifth one from Esperanto.

 
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July 21 2006, 10:02 AM 

Ti ne es vazxnju, Eulenspiegel!

 
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July 21 2006, 11:04 AM 

Why not?
- Some languages force the user to conjugate the past tense verb according to gender/sex and number, even if the user is very uncomfortable with it.
- Other languages force the user to use only one past tense form (labeling it as "simplification") even if the user would be able to and would like to conjugate the past tense verb according to gender/sex and number.
- So for Slovianski, I want to have both options so that every user could be satisfied.

 
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KOMPLIKOVANEJSXI UMELY JAZYK VIAC AKO PRIRODZENE JAZYKY.

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July 21 2006, 2:29 PM 

NIE JE TO PRILISX KOMPLIKOVANE ?
CHCESX ROBIT JAZYK, KTORY JE KOMPLIKOVANEJSXI AKO NARODNE SLOVANSKE JAZYKY ?

S TYM NEPOCHODISX !

LUDIA SU OD PRIRODY DOST LENIVI NA UCXENIE A PRETO SA TI TO NEBUDU UCXIT.
ONI POTREBUJU CELKOM JEDNODUCHU GRAMATIKU A JEDNODUCHU SLOVNU, ALE LOGICKU
A POCHOPITELNU SLOVNU ZASOBU.

JA OSOBNE BY SOM SA NIKDY NECHCEL UCXIT UMELO-VYTVORENY JAZYK, KTORY JE KOMPLIKOVANEJSXI AKO TIE PRIRODZENE - PRETOZXE JE TO TYM PADOM ZBYTOCXNE
A RADSXEJ BY SOM OSTAL PRI VSXETKYCH TYCH PRIRODZENYCH.


I.

 
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Re: KOMPLIKOVANEJSXI UMELY JAZYK VIAC AKO PRIRODZENE JAZYKY.

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July 21 2006, 10:22 PM 

Jedna koncovka navi'c oproti pr'irozeny'm jazyku'm (kterou navi'c vu'bec nemusi'te pouz'i'vat) automaticky znamena', z'e by tento jazyk byl zar'azen mezi jazyky komplikovane'?

 
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