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An Old Idea

August 9 2006 at 6:51 PM
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Gabriel pisal:
We could also limit the usage of noun adjectives (-ski) and genitives (ot). They would be used in more complicated expressions, but for basic communication, we could simply use:
teplost razlic'nost - warm difference
Zemla gravitacia - Earth gravitation
Luna svitinie - Moon shine
den tiket - daily ticket
(...)
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These are compound words (nouns) and not adjectives. They are used excessively in the German language where they are called zusammengesetzte Substantive (see: Dampf-schiff-fahrts-gesellschafts-kapitän-anwärter-...). They are also used in English and in Slovio.

Slovio, na primer:

atom-bombenie
maslo-mlek

tomat-konzerv (a tin filled with tomatoes)
konzerv-tomat (a tomato from the tin, or a tomato conserved by different means)

den-bilet (is a bilet (tiket) bought just for a day)
denju bilet ( is a bilet used daily, so like you eat your denju hleb)

Gabriel es jazika-nisxtovnik, ibo on izdumajt nesxto, vnov i vnov, niktor jazika imajt, takak cxtir mnogost-artikl.

 
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August 9 2006, 7:39 PM 

So what do you like better: four plural articles or four plural endings? I published the version with both, but one of these ways of marking the plural could be easily left out.

I know, you'll argue that Slovio has got only one plural ending (in fact, it has got two, but never mind) and no plural article. You will, however, be silent about the slavicity of Slovio.

 
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August 9 2006, 10:21 PM 

How about one plural ending?

Let's not have any nouns end with -i and plurals end with -i

We could possibly have -ji for null ending and -i for all others

 
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August 10 2006, 5:21 PM 

Gabriel pisal:
So what do you like better: four plural articles or four plural endings? I published the version with both, but one of these ways of marking the plural could be easily left out.
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Neither nor.
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I know, you'll argue that Slovio has got only one plural ending (in fact, it has got two, but never mind) and no plural article. You will, however, be silent about the slavicity of Slovio.
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Honestly speaking, up to now the best real-existing inter-Slavic language for me is Slovio.
The greatest achievements of Slovio are (because nobody found a better solution yet) those which you call non-Slavic, namely the use of the letter x and the plural ending.
Slavido has a non-Slavic vocabulary and Slovianski-S has both a non-Slavic grammar and vocabulary.

Nikto i nisxto es perfekt

So no language is perfect. we should not copy the bad of a language.
E.g. English "orthography" is the most irregular on earth.
The German articles der, die, das are the most stupid on earth; the youngest Germanic language Afrikaans uses only "die" for all gender and plural.
The plural endings of the Slavic languages are the most irregular on earth.
The best plural endings I know is that of the Spanish language, namely -(e)s.

So why shall we not learn from it?

Eugeniusx

 
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August 10 2006, 6:27 PM 

E.g. English "orthography" is the most irregular on earth.

Yes, but you can't compare the English's no correspondence between the written and spoken language with the Slovianski's three digraphs, even if they were a little bit confusing.

The German articles der, die, das are the most stupid on earth; the youngest Germanic language Afrikaans uses only "die" for all gender and plural.

The most stupid thing is when the articles der, die, das have to be separately learned with the word. This is not the case of my "new idea" about Slovianski-S because the knowledge of the noun's ending and number suffices for determining the correct article.

The plural endings of the Slavic languages are the most irregular on earth.

Yes, but none of them is -s and -i is quite frequent.

The best plural endings I know is that of the Spanish language, namely -(e)s.

The best plural ending I know is that of Ido language: nouns end in -o in singular and in -i in plural.

 
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August 11 2006, 12:43 PM 

Gabriel pisal:
The best plural ending I know is that of Ido language: nouns end in -o in singular and in -i in plural.
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харашо дла йазика синтетикйу, но не дла межуславйу йазика, такак словио.

Еугениуш

 
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August 11 2006, 6:01 PM 

Please translate it to some understandable language, at least to Slovio.

 
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August 11 2006, 7:21 PM 

Gabriel pisal:
Please translate it to some understandable language, at least to Slovio.
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to es Slovio, kirilju:
харашо, дла язика синтетикю, но не дла межуСлавю язика, такак Словио.
= harasxo, dla jazika sintetikju, no ne dla mezx-Slavju jazika, takak Slovio.

Eugeniusx

 
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August 11 2006, 7:35 PM 

Aha! My browser has probably displayed it with a wrong Cyrilic encoding.

 
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August 11 2006, 7:42 PM 

Aha, my browser has probably displayed it with a wrong Cyrilic encoding.

Yes, the Ido system is too synthetic for an inter-Slavic language. In the same way, the Spanish system is too Romance for an inter-Slavic language.

 
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August 12 2006, 8:02 PM 

Gabriel pisal:
Yes, the Ido system is too synthetic for an inter-Slavic language. In the same way, the Spanish system is too Romance for an inter-Slavic language.
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your system is the most difficult and non-Slavic I ever have seen.
Romance and Slavic languages related.

 
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August 12 2006, 8:06 PM 

If you like Romance languages so much, use the Italian system, please:

masculine-like nouns: singular -o, plural -i
feminine-like nouns: singular -a, plural -e

It will sound thousands times more Slavic than your sss's.

 
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August 12 2006, 10:42 PM 

No Vasx "system" es bolsx Germanju (Hallo Ido!), ne Latinju novju i ne Slavju.

 
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August 13 2006, 7:11 AM 

No Vasx system es bolsx anglo-romanju, ne slavju.

 
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August 14 2006, 11:34 AM 

Li cxestuo verajsx to?

 
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August 14 2006, 11:44 AM 

Da.

 
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