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Bolete, fung, sponge

October 21 2006 at 10:57 AM
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The words for "bolete", "fung" and "sponge" are somehow related in Slavic languages, that's why they should be considered together during creating the vocabulary.


BOLETE ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolete )

Russian: grib
Ukrainian: grib
Polish: borowik
Czech: hr'ib
Slovak: huba
Bulgarian: manatarka
Macedonian: vrgan


FUNGUS ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fungus )

Russian: grib
Polish: grzyb
Czech: houba
Slovak: huba
Serbian: gljiva
Bulgarian: g-ba
Macedonian: gaba


SPONGE ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sponge )

Russian: gubka
Ukrainian: hubka
Polish: gabka
Czech: houba
Slovak: huba
Serbian: sundjer
Bulgarian: g-ba
Macedonian: sundjer


So the most common word for "fungus" is grib. Yes, it creates confusion with Czech where it means "bolete" only but this fact can't outweigh the commonness of grib.

The most common word for "sponge" is gubka.

In terms of "bolete", we have got several non-confusing possibilities that look equally good: borovik, manatarka, vrgan. Unfortunately, I didn't manage to find the word "bolete" in dictionaries of western south Slavic languages. Do Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian and Slovene have their own special word(s) for "bolete" or do they tend to have one of the previously mentioned three words? The answer would help to solve the situation.

 
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Re: Bolete, fung, sponge

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October 24 2006, 4:10 PM 

Bor-czyk i bor-owik (Boletus edulis)
Iskats ot znacxenie Borczykum ja naidil slovi takak: borowik, borowina, borowy, borówka, borsuk i borykanie.
Izklucxuo posledju slov borykanie, vse slov imat sviaz lesum. Ale sxto znacxit "bor". Vo Cxehju i Serbhrvatju slovknig ja uziavil zxe tam bor znacxit sosna (=sosna(pl), сосна(ru)). Tapocx ja dumajm zxe "borovik" bilbi dobrju slov dla tut vkusju grib. Moi bratcxe skazal zxe borovik rastit vo dost suhju mesto vo sosno-lesi i vo dub-lesi.



 
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Milos

Dubgrib.

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October 24 2006, 4:28 PM 

Vo Slovakio tut grib imenijt "dubak" ibo rastijt vo dub-lesis. Ne es mozxju imenit tot grib dub-grib ili les-grib?

 
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Re: Dubgrib.

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October 24 2006, 5:30 PM 

Zdrav Milos,
Interesju! Problem es zxe tut grib rastijt vo dub i vo sosna-les. Les-grib, ja mislijm es, peremnog vseobicxesk.
Sxto mislijsx ot dub-sosnak?

Eugeniusx

 
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Re: Dubgrib.

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October 24 2006, 6:54 PM 

Many fungs occur in woods, so "les-grib" would be too general. As far as "dub-grib", "sosna-grib" or "bor-grib" are concerned, boletes occur under many trees and their subspecies are named according to these trees. In Czech, there are hr'ib dubovy' (literally "oak bolete"), hr'ib smrkovy' (literally "pine bolete") etc. So to name the whole specie according to one subspecie would probably not be a good idea, too ...

Some uncompounded word would fit my taste the best. But I can easily live with a compound, if somebody can made up a good one.

 
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Kamen-grib

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October 24 2006, 7:26 PM 

bo moi bratcxe skazal: ten grib lubijt suhju mestos.

 
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Anonymous

bolete, 2 proposals

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October 25 2006, 3:32 PM 

bolete:

1) sosna-grib
2) borov-grib

 
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I.

special nouns.

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October 25 2006, 4:38 PM 

ZDRAV,

And I found this problem the most important since we have to point what name
will be for what species [and it also pays in biology, chemistry, physics,mineralogy, astronomy etc, etc.

This problem I think will be the biggest.

e.g. look for the name moon in Polish, Russian, Slovak / Czech.

I.

 
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Re: bolete, 2 proposals

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October 25 2006, 5:32 PM 

1) sosna-grib

Only one subspecie of boletes occurs under sosnas, so it would not be good to name the whole specie after one subspecie only.

2) borov-grib

I think that borov is not a word in Slovio, so I'd rather prefer to borrow borovik directly from Polish than to invent a pseudo-compound "borov-grib" ...

 
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BOROK

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October 25 2006, 5:59 PM 

Ha! "Borov". Ty borok!

I have already asked Slovio to use "borovik" in the Slovio slovknig. Because the history of this word is abviously all-Slavic.

 
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