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GENITIV versus INSTRUMENTAL.

February 2 2007 at 8:17 PM
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AHOJ GABRIEL,

Gabiel :

ubitie od muzz = killing by a man (i.e. the man kills somebody else)
ubitie muzz = killing (of) a man (i.e. the man is killed)

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TY SI NEMOZES PLIEST 2. PAD SO 7. PADOM.

"ubitie od muzx" predstavuje napr. ako sme sa dohodli genitiv, t.j.

"killing of a man"

NAPROTI TOMU, "ubitie muzz" OR "muzx" by mohlo predstavovat instrumental t.j.
7.pad. Slovano to ma presne definovane a nemoze tam vzniknut vobec zamena, alebo nejaky nezmysel, alebo nieco nepochopitelne :

"UBITIE OD MUZ'" je zabitie muza. [killing of a man]

"UBITIE S MUZ'" je zabitie muzom. [killing by a man]

V TOMTO PRIPADE PREDLOZKA "OD" PREDSTAVUJE VYJADRENIE GENITIVU A
PREDLOZKA "S" PREDSTAVUJE VYJADRENIE INSTRUMENTALU, CIZE 7. PADU.

[na rozdiel od predlozky "so", ktora predstavuje spolu s niecim, napr.

"JA IDET TAM SO OTEC" - I am going there with father.

"TO IL UROBITE S OTEC" - It was done by father.


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VERY SIMPLE DECLINATION.

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February 2 2007, 8:21 PM 

DEKLINACIA SUBSTANTIVIOV - Declination of Nouns

Nominativ To es dom - It is a house
Genitiv - ov/od To es otecov auto - It is father´s car
To es auto od otec - It is the car of father
Dativ - om/do Ti em dat to libro detiom - You will give children the book
Ti em dat to libro do deti - You will give the book to children

Akuzativ Tie ubudoval vez'a - They built up a tower

Lokal : preposition o ( o mama-about mum, o otec-about dad, o nam-about us, o me-about me, o te-about you(sg.),
o tenu-about him, o tau-about her, o tim-about them )
Ins'trumental : preposition s ( s mama - by mum, s otec - by dad, s nam - by us, s me - by me, s te - by you,
s tenu - by him, s tau - by her, s tim - by them)
* peronal pronouns are in dative

To es govorite o te - It is spoken about you.
Auto es s'oferite s otec - A car is driven by father
Kafe es servite s c'as'iner - Coffee is served by a waiter
Kafe es so cukor - Coffee is with sugar
Esit s te, ja bi ne idet tam - Being you I wouldn´t go there
Ja bi idel tam so te - I would have gone there with you

*Distinguish : - s (by), - so (with)

 
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AKUZATIV.

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February 2 2007, 8:25 PM 

There is one matter to be solved out : accusative

Either there will be some suffix to nouns or word order [that is not very slavic, except Bulgarian and Macedonian but majority of slavs use free word order in clauses.

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Re: AKUZATIV.

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February 4 2007, 1:50 PM 

Since when are you guided by a majority?

a majority of Slavs have gender, but your language doesn't
a majority of Slavs have variable adjectives, but your langauge doesn't
a majority of Slavs have conjugation, but your langauge doesn't
a majority of Slavs have free word order and here you suddenly want to preserve it - why?

 
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Re: GENITIV versus INSTRUMENTAL.

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February 4 2007, 1:47 PM 

I don't confuse genitive and instrumental.

od means "of" after a noun
od means "by" after a passive verb

ubitie s muz' means "killing with a man" to every Slav, no matter what stupid s/so distinction you may invent

I can invent a preposition spokdajm but it doesn't imply that it is Slavic.

 
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Hotil: Ondrej Recnik!

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February 4 2007, 2:16 PM 

Gabriel pisal do Ioannes:
Since when are you guided by a majority?
a majority of Slavs have gender, but your language doesn't
a majority of Slavs have variable adjectives, but your langauge doesn't
a majority of Slavs have conjugation, but your langauge doesn't
a majority of Slavs have free word order and here you suddenly want to preserve it - why?
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izvenijm Ioannes, ja hotit otvetit:

Tapocx to tozx bil (izklucxuo polrod) Recnikvoi idea. Recnik to kreatnik Slovianskim P.

Mezxin Gabriel, gde ti zakopal jeg?

 
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Re: Hotil: Ondrej Recnik!

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February 4 2007, 3:30 PM 

V dekember ja ubil jego, abi on ne-konkuroval mne na tvorenie Slovianski. Posle ja zakopal jego pod slovjanska lipa.

Seriozno, ja misliju, czo on ne-ima vremeno, jak vsekogda.

 
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Re: Hotil: Ondrej Recnik!

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February 4 2007, 8:39 PM 

Here is what I have for the word serious:

ser'joznyj in Russian
serjoznyj in Ukrainian
surjozny in Belarusian
seriózny in Slovak = serjozni
seriózní in Czech = serijozni
сериозен in Bulgarian = seriozen
сериозен in Macedonian = seriozen

I think it should be pronounced serjozni

 
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Re: Hotil: Ondrej Recnik!

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February 5 2007, 1:00 PM 

OK, let's spell it serjozni.

 
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Re: Hotil: Ondrej Recnik!

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February 5 2007, 1:45 PM 

Seriozno, ja misliju, czo on...
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Gabriel meant seriously and not serious (so he was correct), therefore seriosuo is correct and not seriosju

 
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