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MAJORITY, MAJORITY, MAJORITY.

February 4 2007 at 4:03 PM
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GABRIEL PISAL :

Since when are you guided by a majority?

a majority of Slavs have gender, but your language doesn't
a majority of Slavs have variable adjectives, but your langauge doesn't
a majority of Slavs have conjugation, but your langauge doesn't
a majority of Slavs have free word order and here you suddenly want to preserve it - why?

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Gabriel, because I wanted to create something that is more simple than that
is done in most of slavic grammars.

I ask you one question : WHY SHOULD I CREATE SOMETHING THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN
CREATED AND BEEN WORKING FOR HUDREDS OF YEARS - IN NATURAL SLAVIC LANGUAGES
AS YOU DID WITH YOUR SLOVIANSKI.

YOU GRAMMAR SI AS COMPLICATED AS ANY PRESENT SLAVIC NATURAL GRAMMAR SO WHY TO INVENT SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN ALREADY DONE !

OHTERWISE, I CAN LEARN ANY OF SLAVIC LANGUAGES AND SPEAK AND WRITE IN ANY OF EXISTING SLAVIC LANGUAGES AND I DO NOT HAVE ANY NEED TO LEARN SOMETHING SIMILAR
TO THESE LANGUAGES AS YOU ARTIFICIALLY CONSTRUCTED SLOVIANSKI IS.

AND THAT'S MY ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTIONS.

I.

P.S. STRICTLY KEEPING THE GRAMMAR COMPLICATED GRAMMARS WE DO NOT NEED TO LEARN ANY OTHER ARTIFICIAL LANGUAGE AS YOU HAVE CREATED BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF THEM AND IN NATURAL FORM.

 
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Re: MAJORITY, MAJORITY, MAJORITY.

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February 4 2007, 4:19 PM 

Jasoglosit so Ioannes sto procent

Eugeniusx

 
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ADVANTAGES AND DISADVANTAGES OF LANGUAGES

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February 4 2007, 4:20 PM 

GABRIEL, I TELL YOU WHAT - I SPEAK TO MY POLISH FRIENDS IN SLOVAK AND POLISH AND WE DO NOT NEED SOME SLOVIANSKI AS AN INTERMEDIATE LANGUAGE FOR DISCUSSION.

THEY SPEAK IN POLISH AND I SPEAK IN SLOVAK AND THERE IS NO PROBLEM WITH IT.
LATELY, I SPOKE TO ONE OF CROATIANS AND THERE WAS NO PROBLEM WITH UNDERSTANDING, SO WHY WE SHOULD LEARN YOUR "SLOVIANSKI". OUR NATURAL LANGUAGES
HAVE THE SAME DIFFICULT GRAMMARS LIKE YOUR "SLOVIANSKI" SO WHY LEARN YOUR LANGUAGE ?

POINT IS IN SOMETHING ELSE ...
NO FOREIGNER WILL LEARN SO MANY NATURAL SLAVIC LANGUAGES AND NONE OF THEM WILL
LEARN LANGUAGE WITH SO DIFFICULT AND IRREGULAR GRAMMAR. THERE ARE ONLY FEW EXAMPLES OF THOSE WHO COULD COPE WITH IT BUT IT DOESN'T SOLVE ANYTHING.
THEY ARE ONLY SHEER EXCEPTIONS.

TELL ME, PLEASE, WHICH OF FOREIGNERS WILL LEARN SOMETHING THAT IS SIMILAR TO YOUR COMPLICATED GRAMMAR. THEY HAVE NEVERTHELESS THE CHOICE OF NATURAL SLAVIC LANGUAGES AND THEY CAN LEARN ONE OF THEM [if they would like to learn one of them very much]. ANYWAY, THEY WOULD CHOOSE SOMETHING MORE SIMPLE AND REGULAR
FOR THEIR VERBAL COMMUNICATION WITH SLAVS IF THERE IS ONE TO BE OFFERED
"ON LANGUAGE MARKET".

THINK ABOUT IT !

I.


 
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Re: ADVANTAGES AND DISADVANTAGES OF LANGUAGES

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February 4 2007, 8:42 PM 

I probably won't be able to understand Ioannes or he me.

 
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February 4 2007, 8:58 PM 

nobody understands iopq. Why should he?


 
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Re: ADVANTAGES AND DISADVANTAGES OF LANGUAGES

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February 4 2007, 9:25 PM 

Even Slovio is more understandable than Slovak to me. Of course, that's because it uses a pan-Slavic ideology by using so many Russian words.

 
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February 5 2007, 1:05 PM 

I don't criticise you for using logic and simplicity instead of majority. I just point out that in terms of word order and declension, it would more suitable for your language to use logic and simplicity, too, and not majority.

 
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February 7 2007, 2:51 PM 

WHY SHOULD I CREATE SOMETHING THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN
CREATED


I don't command you to create anything.

YOU GRAMMAR SI AS COMPLICATED AS ANY PRESENT SLAVIC NATURAL GRAMMAR SO WHY TO INVENT SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN ALREADY DONE !

It hasn't been done yet. There are many natural Slavic grammars, but no common one.

OHTERWISE, I CAN LEARN ANY OF SLAVIC LANGUAGES AND SPEAK AND WRITE IN ANY OF EXISTING SLAVIC LANGUAGES AND I DO NOT HAVE ANY NEED TO LEARN SOMETHING SIMILAR
TO THESE LANGUAGES AS YOU ARTIFICIALLY CONSTRUCTED SLOVIANSKI IS.


If you learn a natuaral Slavic langauge, not all Slavs will understand you. With Slovianski, they probably will.

GABRIEL, I TELL YOU WHAT - I SPEAK TO MY POLISH FRIENDS IN SLOVAK AND POLISH AND WE DO NOT NEED SOME SLOVIANSKI AS AN INTERMEDIATE LANGUAGE FOR DISCUSSION.

THEY SPEAK IN POLISH AND I SPEAK IN SLOVAK AND THERE IS NO PROBLEM WITH IT.
LATELY, I SPOKE TO ONE OF CROATIANS AND THERE WAS NO PROBLEM WITH UNDERSTANDING, SO WHY WE SHOULD LEARN YOUR "SLOVIANSKI".


Maybe, but when you started to post here in Slovak, thinking that every Slav will understand you, you failed. Hard.

OUR NATURAL LANGUAGES
HAVE THE SAME DIFFICULT GRAMMARS LIKE YOUR "SLOVIANSKI" SO WHY LEARN YOUR LANGUAGE ?


Because you can get a wider understandability with Slovianski.

NO FOREIGNER WILL LEARN SO MANY NATURAL SLAVIC LANGUAGES AND NONE OF THEM WILL
LEARN LANGUAGE WITH SO DIFFICULT AND IRREGULAR GRAMMAR. THERE ARE ONLY FEW EXAMPLES OF THOSE WHO COULD COPE WITH IT BUT IT DOESN'T SOLVE ANYTHING. THEY ARE ONLY SHEER EXCEPTIONS.

TELL ME, PLEASE, WHICH OF FOREIGNERS WILL LEARN SOMETHING THAT IS SIMILAR TO YOUR COMPLICATED GRAMMAR. THEY HAVE NEVERTHELESS THE CHOICE OF NATURAL SLAVIC LANGUAGES AND THEY CAN LEARN ONE OF THEM [if they would like to learn one of them very much].


There are millions of examples of foreigners who learned natural, difficult and irregular English grammar, natural, difficult and irregular German grammar, natural, difficult and irregular Spanish grammar, natural, difficult and irregular Chinese grammar, natural, difficult and irregular French grammar ... So why do you think they won't learn natural, difficult and irregular Slavic grammar?

ANYWAY, THEY WOULD CHOOSE SOMETHING MORE SIMPLE AND REGULAR
FOR THEIR VERBAL COMMUNICATION WITH SLAVS IF THERE IS ONE TO BE OFFERED
"ON LANGUAGE MARKET".


There are as many good arguments for schematic languages as for naturalistic languages, so I guess it's not possible to predict which of them the people will prefer.

 
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February 7 2007, 3:38 PM 

Gabriel pisal:
There are millions of examples of foreigners who learned natural, difficult and irregular English grammar, natural, difficult and irregular German grammar, natural, difficult and irregular Spanish grammar, natural, difficult and irregular Chinese grammar, natural, difficult and irregular French grammar ... So why do you think they won't learn natural, difficult and irregular Slavic grammar?
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Because nobody would learn a difficult to learn artificial language knowing that only a handful people will speak it. And a language which can not express simple ideas because of not having a sufficient vocabulary

 
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Re: MAJORITY, MAJORITY, MAJORITY.

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February 7 2007, 4:13 PM 

Both will be fixed "soon".

 
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Tisicx rocxis

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February 7 2007, 6:20 PM 

We have waited for a thousand years for Slovio. Nobody has done it before but there were dozens like Archangel Gabriel who have promised. Do you want to wait another thousand years? Do you really think it is such a simple matter? It took years to get where we are now, Slovio is not yet perfect, but you can say with it whatever you want and it has a complete, simple and logical grammar and an adequate vocabulary.

As someone has said before there might be some bored monks who have nothing to do with their time, and no women, who might want to learn Slavianski-pes.

 
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ANSWERS.

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February 7 2007, 8:00 PM 



It hasn't been done yet. There are many natural Slavic grammars, but no common one.

- HEY, GABRIEL, COMMON IN WHAT ??? IN DIFFICULT GRAMMAR OR MORE DIFFICULT OR MOST DIFFICULT GRAMMAR ???

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If you learn a natuaral Slavic langauge, not all Slavs will understand you. With Slovianski, they probably will.

- SO, JUST "PROBABLY" ??? WHAT DO YOU THINK HOW MANY SLAVS WOULD UNDERSTAND
SLOVIANSKI ?

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Maybe, but when you started to post here in Slovak, thinking that every Slav will understand you, you failed. Hard.

- I JUST WROTE IT TO YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE "PROBABLY" CZECH. OK I AGREE THAT NOT EVERY SLAV UNDERSTANDS SLOVAK, IT IS NATURAL LANG. OF COURSE, NOT EVERY SLAV WOULD UNDERSTAND CZECH OR POLISH. IT'S UNDERSTANDABLE. BUT YOU WOULD FAIL WITH SLOVIANSKI WHEN NOT EVERY SLAV WOULD UNDERSTAND IT.
AND NO[let's bet]FOREIGNER WOULD LIKE TO LEARN SLOVIANSKI BECAUSE OF ITS VERY
DIFFICULT GRAMMAR.
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Because you can get a wider understandability with Slovianski.

-WHY DO YOU THINK THAT WITH SLOVIANSKI THERE WILL BE MORE UNDERSTANDABILITY
WHEN YOU YOURSELF DOESN'T TRUST YOUR LANG WITH YOUR "PROBABLY".

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There are millions of examples of foreigners who learned natural, difficult and irregular English grammar, natural, difficult and irregular German grammar, natural, difficult and irregular Spanish grammar, natural, difficult and irregular Chinese grammar, natural, difficult and irregular French grammar ... So why do you think they won't learn natural, difficult and irregular Slavic grammar?

-OF COURSE, BECAUSE FRENCH, ENGLISH AND SPANISH HAD COLONIES AROUND THE WORLD
AND MADE THE POPULATION OF THESE COLONIES LEARN THEIR OWN LANGS.
-SECONDLY, IF YOU COMPARE GRAMMARS OF THESE LANGS WITH SLAVIC - THEY ARE EASIER AND USE A LOT OF INTERNATIONALLY ADOPTED WORDS IN THEIR VOCABS.
- THIRDLY, ANYWAY, YOU CANNOT SPEAK ANY OF THESE LANGS ANYWHERE WITHOUT PROBLEMS. TRY USE E.G. SPANISH IN BIALYSTOK OR CHINESE IN SARAJEVO OR GERMAN IN KALKATA OR EVEN SO POPULAR ENGLISH E.G. IN MARSEILE.
WHEN SOMEONE KNOWS LANGS WITH EASY GRAMMARS HE WON'T LEARN SOMETHING WITH DIFFICULT GRAMMAR AND EVEN ARTIFICIALLY CONSTRUCTED WITH NO LARGE GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD SPEAK AND WRITE IN SUCH A LANG.
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There are as many good arguments for schematic languages as for naturalistic languages, so I guess it's not possible to predict which of them the people will prefer.

-LOOK GABRIEL, PEOPLE ARE BECOMING VERY LAZY IN THESE DAYS. LOOK AROUND YOU - LOTS OF THING ARE BECOMING EASIER AND EASIER. DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT THESE MODERN AND TECHNICAL GENERATION WOULD PREFER TO LEARN SOMETHING DIFFICULT. LOTS OF COMPUTER TERMINOLOGY IS BEING SHORTENED, LOTS OF CHATS, E-MAILS, EVEN DISCUSSIONS ON INTERNET IS STEP BY STEP BECOMING SHORTER AND SHORTER. BECAUSE THIS ERA IS VERY QUICK, OUR LIVES ARE BECOMING VERY QUICK, MODERN TECHNOLOGY IS VERY FAST - EVERYTHING IS QUICKER THAN IT USED TO BE. AND YOU THINK THAT SOMEBODY WILL WASTE HIS TIME WITH LEARNING OR EVEN WRITING AND SPEAKING IN SUCH DIFFICULT LANGUAGE. HEY, WAKE UP ! LOOK AT CORRESPONDENCE AMONG THE YOUNG PEOPLE ON INTERNET. THEY CHAT EACH OTHER AND NONE OF THEM USES SO DIFFICULT GRAMMAR AS YOU ARE PRESENTING WITH SLOVIANSKI. LOTS OF WORDS HAVE EVEN BEEN SHORTENED BECAUSE OF THIS. OF COURSE THEY ARE IN ENGLISH BUT WHO WILL WASTE HIS TIME WRITING IN SUCH IRREGULAR AND MULTIFORMED GRAMMAR AS YOU SUGGEST ?

WAKE UP VERY QUICKLY AND START THINKING !

 
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February 7 2007, 9:14 PM 

- HEY, GABRIEL, COMMON IN WHAT ??? IN DIFFICULT GRAMMAR OR MORE DIFFICULT OR MOST DIFFICULT GRAMMAR ???

Common in naturality.
United in diversity.

- SO, JUST "PROBABLY" ??? WHAT DO YOU THINK HOW MANY SLAVS WOULD UNDERSTAND
SLOVIANSKI ?


I am not bigheaded and unlike what Slovio-ists originally did, I don't pretend that every Slav will understand every word. Slovianski-P will just do the best, but the diversity of individual Slavic langauges is big.

BUT YOU WOULD FAIL WITH SLOVIANSKI WHEN NOT EVERY SLAV WOULD UNDERSTAND IT. [...] -WHY DO YOU THINK THAT WITH SLOVIANSKI THERE WILL BE MORE UNDERSTANDABILITY
WHEN YOU YOURSELF DOESN'T TRUST YOUR LANG WITH YOUR "PROBABLY".


Because unlike Slovak, Slovene or Rusyn, Slovianski-P will be the most middle langauge.

AND NO[let's bet]FOREIGNER WOULD LIKE TO LEARN SLOVIANSKI BECAUSE OF ITS VERY
DIFFICULT GRAMMAR.


OK, shall we bet that you have never learned English because of its very difficult grammar?

-OF COURSE, BECAUSE FRENCH, ENGLISH AND SPANISH HAD COLONIES AROUND THE WORLD
AND MADE THE POPULATION OF THESE COLONIES LEARN THEIR OWN LANGS.


If Slavic countries are economically interesting enough, foreigners will learn Slavic. If they aren't, no would-be-simplified ugly language will be attractive for foreigners anyway.

-SECONDLY, IF YOU COMPARE GRAMMARS OF THESE LANGS WITH SLAVIC - THEY ARE EASIER AND USE A LOT OF INTERNATIONALLY ADOPTED WORDS IN THEIR VOCABS.

Chinese has got 178 millions non-native speakers, Russian about 110 millions.

- THIRDLY, ANYWAY, YOU CANNOT SPEAK ANY OF THESE LANGS ANYWHERE WITHOUT PROBLEMS. TRY USE E.G. SPANISH IN BIALYSTOK OR CHINESE IN SARAJEVO OR GERMAN IN KALKATA OR EVEN SO POPULAR ENGLISH E.G. IN MARSEILE.

In the same way, you won't be very successful with Slovio/Slovano/Slovianski in Beijing.

WHEN SOMEONE KNOWS LANGS WITH EASY GRAMMARS HE WON'T LEARN SOMETHING WITH DIFFICULT GRAMMAR AND EVEN ARTIFICIALLY CONSTRUCTED WITH NO LARGE GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD SPEAK AND WRITE IN SUCH A LANG.

Yes, they won't learn something with a uselessly complicated grammar (Slovio, Slovano) that makes the language so different from its natural counterpart. However, Slovianski grammar is usefully comlicated, because it brings the language closer to natural Slavic languages.

-LOOK GABRIEL, PEOPLE ARE BECOMING VERY LAZY IN THESE DAYS. LOOK AROUND YOU - LOTS OF THING ARE BECOMING EASIER AND EASIER. DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT THESE MODERN AND TECHNICAL GENERATION WOULD PREFER TO LEARN SOMETHING DIFFICULT. ... -LOOK GABRIEL, PEOPLE ARE BECOMING VERY LAZY IN THESE DAYS. LOOK AROUND YOU - LOTS OF THING ARE BECOMING EASIER AND EASIER. DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT THESE MODERN AND TECHNICAL GENERATION WOULD PREFER TO LEARN SOMETHING DIFFICULT.

I look around me and I see people who learn natural, irregular, difficult grammars and don't consider it to be wasting their time.

But who will waste their time with something that is based on your thoughts entirely? Slovianski is based on real Slavic lnaguages on the contrary.

 
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February 7 2007, 8:00 PM 

We have waited for a thousand years for Slovio. Nobody has done it before but there were dozens like Archangel Gabriel who have promised.

Slovio is far from being the first common Slavic langauge after one thousand years. The attempts at an inter-Slavic langauge can be traced back to the 16th century, see http://www.langmaker.com/db/User:IJzeren_Jan/List_of_Slavic_auxlangs . Unfortunately, there is little information about what they looked like because there was no Internet and no Webarchive at that time.

Do you want to wait another thousand years?

No need for one thousand years. Your example shows that it takes a few years only to create a language with a complete grammar and an adequate vocabulary.

As someone has said before there might be some bored monks who have nothing to do with their time, and no women, who might want to learn Slavianski-pes.

Why did you learn English, then? Because you were a bored monk who had nothing to do with their time?

 
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ANSWERS IN SLOVIANSKI.

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February 7 2007, 9:47 PM 

GABRIEL, I WOULD LIKE TO READ YOUR ANSWERS IN SLOVIANSKI LANGUAGE.
COULD YOU, PLEASE TRANSLATE THEM INTO SLOVIANSKI ?

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February 8 2007, 12:59 PM 

WHY SHOULD I CREATE SOMETHING THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN
CREATED


Ja ne-prikazuju k tobe tvorit niczo.

YOU GRAMMAR SI AS COMPLICATED AS ANY PRESENT SLAVIC NATURAL GRAMMAR SO WHY TO INVENT SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN ALREADY DONE !

Ona jeszcze ne-bila delana. Jesut mnoge prirodne slovjanske gramatiki, ale nijaka vzajemna.

OHTERWISE, I CAN LEARN ANY OF SLAVIC LANGUAGES AND SPEAK AND WRITE IN ANY OF EXISTING SLAVIC LANGUAGES AND I DO NOT HAVE ANY NEED TO LEARN SOMETHING SIMILAR
TO THESE LANGUAGES AS YOU ARTIFICIALLY CONSTRUCTED SLOVIANSKI IS.


Jesli ti budesz uczit se prirodni slovjanski jezik, ne vse slovjani budut razumet te. S Slovianski oni verojatno budut.

GABRIEL, I TELL YOU WHAT - I SPEAK TO MY POLISH FRIENDS IN SLOVAK AND POLISH AND WE DO NOT NEED SOME SLOVIANSKI AS AN INTERMEDIATE LANGUAGE FOR DISCUSSION.

THEY SPEAK IN POLISH AND I SPEAK IN SLOVAK AND THERE IS NO PROBLEM WITH IT.
LATELY, I SPOKE TO ONE OF CROATIANS AND THERE WAS NO PROBLEM WITH UNDERSTANDING, SO WHY WE SHOULD LEARN YOUR "SLOVIANSKI".


Jest moz'no, ale kogda ti poczinal posilat tut po slovacki, misliczo czo ves slovjan bude razumet te, ti ne-bil uspeszni. Silno.

OUR NATURAL LANGUAGES
HAVE THE SAME DIFFICULT GRAMMARS LIKE YOUR "SLOVIANSKI" SO WHY LEARN YOUR LANGUAGE ?


Za-to-czo ti moz'esz poluczat visze sziroka zrazumialost s Slovianski.

NO FOREIGNER WILL LEARN SO MANY NATURAL SLAVIC LANGUAGES AND NONE OF THEM WILL
LEARN LANGUAGE WITH SO DIFFICULT AND IRREGULAR GRAMMAR. THERE ARE ONLY FEW EXAMPLES OF THOSE WHO COULD COPE WITH IT BUT IT DOESN'T SOLVE ANYTHING. THEY ARE ONLY SHEER EXCEPTIONS.

TELL ME, PLEASE, WHICH OF FOREIGNERS WILL LEARN SOMETHING THAT IS SIMILAR TO YOUR COMPLICATED GRAMMAR. THEY HAVE NEVERTHELESS THE CHOICE OF NATURAL SLAVIC LANGUAGES AND THEY CAN LEARN ONE OF THEM [if they would like to learn one of them very much].


Jesut milioni primeri od czudz'ineci, kotori uczili se prirodna, tez'ka i ne-pravilna angliska gramatika, prirodna, tez'ka i ne-pravilna nemecka gramatika, prirodna, tez'ka i ne-pravilna ispanska gramatika, prirodna, tez'ka i ne-pravilna kinska gramatika, prirodna, tez'ka i ne-pravilna francuska gramatika ... Tak za-czo ti mislisz, czo oni ne-budut uczit se prirodna, tez'ka i ne-pravilna slovjanska gramatika?

ANYWAY, THEY WOULD CHOOSE SOMETHING MORE SIMPLE AND REGULAR
FOR THEIR VERBAL COMMUNICATION WITH SLAVS IF THERE IS ONE TO BE OFFERED
"ON LANGUAGE MARKET".


Jesut tak mnoge dobre argumenti dlja shematiczke jeziki jak dlja naturalisticzke jeziki, i za-to ja gadaju, czo ne-jest moz'no pred-znat, kotore iz nim budut predpoczitane od ljudi.

 
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Other Slavic conlangs

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February 7 2007, 10:47 PM 

Do you want to know how the "other" slavic conlangs looked like? I searched once, and they were nothing. Each one of them had half-baked grammar and 200 to 300 word vocabulary. Just like your Slavianski-pes language. Exactly the same half-baked shit.

 
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WHAT MAKES LANGUAGE LANGUAGE ?

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February 7 2007, 11:55 PM 

OK. I DO NOT MEAN SLOVIANSKI NOW. BUT DO YOU THINK THAT JUST 40 000 WORDS MAKE LANGUAGE LANGUAGE ?

WHAT DO THINK THAT JUST LANGUAGE WITH 100 SUFFIXES AND 100 PREFIXES MAKE LANGUAGE A REAL LANGUAGE ?

WHAT DO YOU THINK - HOW MANY PREFIXES AND SUFFIXES E.G. ENGLISH OR ESPERANTO HAVE ? ARE THERE MORE THAN E.G. IN RUSSIAN OR CZECH OR POLISH OR CROATIAN ?

THERE ARE A LOT OF LANGUAGES IN THE WORDLS THAT EVEN HAVE NO PREFIXES OR SUFFIXES AND THEY EXIST AND PEOPLE COMMUNICATE IN THEM.

OR DO YOU THINK THAT ONLY COMPLICATED LANGUAGE IS THE REAL ONE THE CHOSEN
BY GOD OR WHAT ?

ANYBODY OF US IS ABLE TO THINK OUT ANY COMPLICATED LANGUAGE WITH A LOT OF FLEXIBLE WORDS WITH LOTS OF SUFFIXES, PREFIXES, WITH WIDEN WORD MORFOLOGY,
WORD COMPOUNDS, ETC. ETC.

BUT DOES SUCH A GRAMMAR HAVE A PRACTICAL SENSE ?

OR I WOULD ASK BETTER : " IS IT NEEDED ALL THE TIME AND EVERY TIME HAVING SUCH
MANY AFFIXED ADDITIONS TO WORDS TO EXPRESS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE IN A SIMPLE WAY JUST BECAUSE OF SIMILARITY TO THE EXISTING NATURAL LANGUAGES ?


WHAT IS "HALF BACKED" E.G. IN SLOVANO ? EVERY BASIC FORM THAT IS NEEDED FOR CONVERSATION IS DONE. PROBABLY SOME TINY NUANCES SHOULD BE SOLVED OUT BUT SLOVIO NEED IT AS WELL.


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Slovano?

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February 8 2007, 2:45 AM 

What is this Slovano? I have never seen any summary. It's probably nothing like the other shit. Everybody only talks and talks and talks and says how perfect is their "language" but everybody is LAZY TO DO SOME REAL WORK. Your "language" can look perfect but what if you have only 200 words. With 200 words any "language" looks perfect. It's always the same thing. Criticism of Slovio and telling everybody how their "language" is better, but they don't have anything. NOTHING. Before you can call it a "language" you have to do some real work. But Slavianski-pes, slovano-pes or whatever you call it is all the same nothing-shit. Big talk, no work, and just criticizing the ONLY REAL ALL-SLAVIC LANGUAGE THERE IS.

 
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February 8 2007, 4:21 AM 

You can write Slovianski as long as you use online dictionaries and pick the most common word out of all the languages.

 
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Re: Slovano?

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February 8 2007, 1:49 PM 

Yes, for now. But this will not be true for ages, compared to what Slovio-ists vainly try to prove.

 
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Re: Slovano?

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February 8 2007, 1:45 PM 

What is this Slovano? I have never seen any summary.

The summary of Slovano was here many times. I think you should be more careful when you read.

only talks and talks and talks and says how perfect is their "language" but everybody is LAZY TO DO SOME REAL WORK.

OK, so please tell me: how many dictionary entries did Slovio have 11 months after the first idea, and what did its grammar look like at that time?

Your "language" can look perfect but what if you have only 200 words. With 200 words any "language" looks perfect. It's always the same thing.

Yes, your language contains tens thousands of words, but what words? Words that are either not understood by a majority Slav, or uselessly mutilated (with Slovioists' constant refusing to give rational reasons why their final vowels have been truncated). To create a high-quality dictionary with words that really exist in Slavic langauges takes and will take longer time, of course, not to speak about Slovio's time advantage.

Criticism of Slovio and telling everybody how their "language" is better, but they don't have anything. NOTHING.

nothing: http://www.langmaker.com/db/User:Gabriel_Svoboda/Slovianski-P
nothing: http://www.langmaker.com/db/User:Gabriel_Svoboda/Slovianski-P/Vocabulary
another nothing: http://www.langmaker.com/db/User:IJzeren_Jan/Slovianski/Grammar

An alert to others: If you once do business with Slovio-ists, be very careful when they refer to "nothing".

Before you can call it a "language" you have to do some real work.

We did. Of course, a lot of work is to be done yet, but as I say, to take all Slavic languages' opinion into consideration is always more difficult than to pick just what seems to be good to a few brains.

 
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February 8 2007, 1:25 PM 

Do you want to know how the "other" slavic conlangs looked like? I searched once, and they were nothing.

I meant mainly the ancient, pre-Internet-al langauges. Wouldn't it be interesting to know what the Slavic language by Jan Amos Komenski looked like?

Each one of them had half-baked grammar and 200 to 300 word vocabulary.

Good, so Slovianski-P with its current 476 entries in the dictionary has already overcome the critical number when most conlangers give up.

Of course, modern technologies, i.e. the Internet, enables many people to publish their ideas ... and the more languages, the more half-baked shits between them, of course.

 
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SLOVANO.

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February 8 2007, 6:05 PM 

ZDRAVO SLOVANI,

THAT'S WHY I PROPOSED ONE COMMONLY CREATED VOCABULARY. NOT BY ONE PERSON BUT ALL OF US. ONE WORD BY ANOTHER. IF IT TAKES MONTHS - IT DOESN'T MATTER - SUCH VOCABULARY WOULD BE BETTER AS IT IS NOW IN ANY LANGUAGE.

SLOVANO WAS CREATED MAINLY FOR ITS GRAMMAR STRUCTURE - AS SOME PROJECT HOW COULD THIS GRAMMAR LOOK LIKE.

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Beginning.

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February 8 2007, 6:19 PM 

Slovio had to start somewhere, somehow, and it did start and it has accomplished a lot. If Slovioists had waited for all the BIG MOUTHS telling everybody about their big-shit-nothing-language, then there wouldn't be anything to this day. And look at all the "languages" you are creating. As complicated as old church slavonic, not compatible with all keyboards. You think that you know and you have all the Slavic dictionaries? Slovio foundation has BOUGHT FOR HARD COLD CASH the best Slavic dictionaries there are. All words are compared to all professional Slavic dictionaries, and not to the cheap on-line stuff you have. But you just talk and you are too cheap to invest any money in your big-mouth-nothing-languages. So why don't we just use old church slavonic, sanskrit or latin?

 
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February 8 2007, 8:00 PM 

Slovio had to start somewhere, somehow, and it did start and it has accomplished a lot.

Certainly.

If Slovioists had waited for all the BIG MOUTHS telling everybody about their big-shit-nothing-language, then there wouldn't be anything to this day.

This resembles a dictatorial approach to me:
No arguments please, they would obstruct the implementation of our holy goal.
As I say, try it one century later. Now Slavs are too fed up with totalitarianism.

And look at all the "languages" you are creating. As complicated as old church slavonic

As far as Slovianski-P is concerned, it's not more complicated than the easiest Slavic languages: Bulgarian and Macedonian.

not compatible with all keyboards.

Not compatible with the keyboards of the nation that happened to be in power when these keyboards were designed. I didn't think you liked "USA-ju imperializm" so much.

think that you know and you have all the Slavic dictionaries? Slovio foundation has BOUGHT FOR HARD COLD CASH the best Slavic dictionaries there are. All words are compared to all professional Slavic dictionaries, and not to the cheap on-line stuff you have. But you just talk and you are too cheap to invest any money in your big-mouth-nothing-languages.

OK, so if you have so high-quality dictionaries, tell me please in which of them you found words like "republik", "imper" or "jazika", in which you found a word spelled with x-notation, in which you found a word with "-s" plural, in which you found the word "cxai" spelled with "i" instead of "j" etc. No dictionaries will help you if you can't work with them and pick "Cxina" (Czech+Slovak only) as the most common word.

So why don't we just use old church slavonic, sanskrit or latin?

Because they are more difficult than any modern Slavic language.

 
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February 9 2007, 12:41 AM 

Actually, I think Latin could be on par with Russian or it seems to be that way

 
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