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Slovianski-P na Test-Stol

February 28 2007 at 10:16 AM
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...Slovianski-P is going to combine the vocabulary common to most Slavic languages with a simple, yet Slavic grammar. This simplicity and pan-Slavic vocabulary should make it unusually easy to learn for a Slav and understandable at first sight to hundreds of millions of people.

As far as phonology and grammar are concerned, Slovianski-P adopts only what is present in all contemporary Slavic languages and therefore understood by all Slavs. In other words, Slovianski-P always uses the simplest solution of all natural Slavic ones...

 
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"ALL SLAVIC WORDS"

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February 28 2007, 10:30 AM 


As far as phonology and grammar are concerned, Slovianski-P adopts only what is present in all contemporary Slavic languages and therefore understood by all Slavs.

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Presenting what is " present in all centemporary Slavic languages and therefore
!!! understood by all Slavs !!! is NONSENSE.

Do you know why ?

Lots of words in one slavic language[s] is / are not understood in the others.
I know a lot of words that are in polish, czech, slovak, croatian langs but
not in e.g. ukrainian, rusian or belorussian langs - and vice versa.

Alleging that slovianski-P adopts "only what is present in all contemporary
Slavic langs" AND AT THE SAME TIME " understood by all Slavs cannot be true.


P.S. we had already some debates on this topic some time ago. Do you remember ?









 
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Re: "ALL SLAVIC WORDS"

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February 28 2007, 11:37 AM 

Zdrav Ioannes!
Li ti mozxit kopirit neskolk besedis om tut tema?
do cxitanie

Eugeniusx

 
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Re: "ALL SLAVIC WORDS"

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February 28 2007, 5:42 PM 

Iopq is right. It isn't possible to find unversal all-Slavic words for every concept. I spoke just about grammar, where it is possible to find a solution that will be easy and natural for all Slavs.

But anyway, even if I spoke about vocabulary, I don't know what you are complaining about. Even if there is a 100% all-Slavic word, such as nauka, it is not sure that your lang will adopt it.

 
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Seksizm

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February 28 2007, 10:59 AM 

Gabriel pisal:
...As all natural Slavic languages, Slovianski-P is a SEXIST language, i.e. the basic form can express either a male person or a person of unspecified sex (prijatel, prorok), while the exclusively female form is formed by means of the suffix -ica (prijatelica, prorokica). ..
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Slovar

Test-stol = test-bench(en), Prüfstand(de)
trudilna-stol = workbench(en), stoł warsztatowy(pl)
sekzizm = sexism
seksist = sexist n
seksist-ju = sexist a

Eugeniusx


 
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February 28 2007, 11:15 AM 

Ioannes! Please pay attention to the original post!

It said "phonology and grammar" NOT "vocabulary or lexical terms"

 
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Phonology

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February 28 2007, 11:54 AM 

Igor:
...It said "phonology and grammar" NOT "vocabulary or lexical terms"
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Igor ja ne dolzxbi obiasnit tebe, zxe vse jazika Slavju imat svoi UNIKATJU fonologia.
To znacxit zxe podobost slovstvom es vazxnju i ne fonologia.

Eugeniusx

Slovar
fonolog-ia = phonology

 
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Re: Phonology

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February 28 2007, 11:30 PM 

Kazxesx cxo fonologija ne je vazxna? Dobre, potrebujemo Kitajsku fonologiju.

 
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PHONOLOGY AND GRAMMAR.

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March 1 2007, 10:11 AM 

G:

...As far as phonology and grammar are concerned, Slovianski-P adopts only what is present in all contemporary Slavic languages and therefore understood by all Slavs.

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And S - lingva and Slovio adopted only what is present in all contemporary Slavic languages as well.
Do you think, Gabriel, that S-lingva adopted some other phonology or grammar ?
If yes, could you write some examples, please ?

 
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Re: PHONOLOGY AND GRAMMAR.

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March 1 2007, 1:59 PM 

Slovio grammar is not Slavic. No Slavic language has Nominative and Accusative cases and none else.

Either use Nominative ONLY or use 6 cases. Choose out of the options available in Natural languages.

 
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Re: PHONOLOGY AND GRAMMAR.

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March 2 2007, 5:21 PM 

Igor:
Slovio grammar is not Slavic. No Slavic language has Nominative and Accusative cases and none else.
Either use Nominative ONLY or use 6 cases. Choose out of the options available in Natural languages.
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Bik-govno!
Slovio takak Anglio and Bugario imat subiektivju i obiektivju padesx:

ON gvorit bik-govno, tapox ja GO pobija.


 
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Re: PHONOLOGY AND GRAMMAR.

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March 3 2007, 2:38 PM 

And S - lingva and Slovio adopted only what is present in all contemporary Slavic languages as well.
Do you think, Gabriel, that S-lingva adopted some other phonology or grammar ?
If yes, could you write some examples, please ?


All Slavic languages have three genders, Slovio and S-lingva don't.
All Slavic langauges have variable adjectives, Slovio and S-lingva don't.
All Slavic languages have present tense conjugation, S-lingva doesn't.

Slovio and S-lingva are certainly Slavic-inspired (and I don't definitely say that it is bad), but they are not Slavic.

 
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Gabriel About Slovianski-P

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March 2 2007, 5:06 PM 

Gabriel:
(Yeah, my language is even more complicated in this respect, but my langauge claims to be neither simple, nor easy, nor logical. Your language does.)

 
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Re: Gabriel About Slovianski-P

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March 2 2007, 6:10 PM 

SLOVAK, SERBO-CROATINA, RUSSIAN

If you will be able to speak and understand these 3 languages you do not have to know any artificial language like Slovianski - P and most of Slavic nations will understand you.


 
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Re: Gabriel About Slovianski-P

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March 2 2007, 6:34 PM 

That's not a case (padezx) because it's not a noun declination. IT'S A PRONOUN.

Ja pobija mazxot - no case (padezx)

 
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Re: Gabriel About Slovianski-P

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March 2 2007, 7:35 PM 

Igor irtiuje se:
That's not a case (padezx) because it's not a noun declination. IT'S A PRONOUN.
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PRO - NOUN DECLINATION!



 
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Re: Gabriel About Slovianski-P

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March 2 2007, 7:57 PM 

Anonimnik pisal:
SLOVAK, SERBO-CROATINA, RUSSIAN
If you will be able to speak and understand these 3 languages you do not have to know any artificial language like Slovianski - P and most of Slavic nations will understand you.
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Zdrav Anonimnik!

Ja Slovio-nik. Imasx pravda Slovianski-P to "good for nothing". Ja ne gvorija i razumja po Slovakju, po Serbo-Kroatju i po Rusju no dumaja zxe ti mne razumit.

do cxitanie

Eugeniusx

 
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Re: Gabriel About Slovianski-P

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March 3 2007, 3:22 AM 

Fine, if you count Bulgarian as having cases, let's include all of them: той него/го нему/му него

Nominative, Accusative, Dative and Prepositional
that's still 4, and slovio only has TWO pronoun cases

 
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Hellerick About Slovianski-P

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March 3 2007, 10:23 AM 

Hellerick pisal:
To say the truth, Gabriel, I mostly didn’t like the changes you’ve made. What you got isn’t Slovianski-P anymore; it’s rather Slovianski-N of Bulgarian level. It can’t be described as ‘simple’ now, and I doubt that anybody (including you) is able to learn it.
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Slovianskiju Izgvorenie

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March 4 2007, 1:38 PM 

Glavnju problem Slovianskiju troikam (Gabriel-Iopq-Hellerick) jest zxe oni probit kvdratit krug.
Vse-Slavju izgoverenie ne bil nie bu i nigda bilbi.

Slovio-voi vigod nad Slovianski jest zxe Slovio tolk imat 25 bukva/bukva-kombinenie i zxe vsektor cxlovek imat pravda izgvorit ih kak on mozxit; i ne kak GIH-troika prikazit!

Eugeniusx

 
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Re: Slovianskiju Izgvorenie

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March 4 2007, 1:56 PM 

Ti govorisx kak bi Mark Hucko vimislil x pisanije v Esperanto.

 
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