Sovetu Jevropi bil dani raport protiv učenija teorij ob Tvorenije

Po doneseniju ktoro bilo diskutovano i prijmovano glosovanijem Sovetem Jevropi, rozširenije teorij ob Tvorenije v školnih sistemah krajev Jevropejskoj Uniji može grozit' pravam človeka.

Tekst napisani Komitetem Jevropejskogo Sojuza Kulturi, Nauki, i Škol, surovo protivostoji verovaniju v tvoritela i v tvorenije im vsogo sveta, i takže prečaniju prijmovanim teorijam ob evolucije. Dolgi čas, teoriji ob tvorenije bili amerikanskim fenomenem, ale donesenije govori če tutčas oni širijut se v krajah Jevropi.

Po tomu dokumentu, kreacionism — učenije ktoro trverdi teoriju počatka mira opisovanu v Biblije — ne bazuje se na faktah i ne leži na nijakom naukovom fundamente.

Donesenije govori če tutčas deti premožno učijut evolucijne teoriji, i upredža če tutčas je važni risk togo če deti budut plutane kogda im budut dane alternativne teoriji, bazovane na verovanijah i idealah, ale ne na faktah.

Parlamentska asembleja vziva k krajam Jevropi i ih školnim oficialnim osobam surovo protivostat' učeniju kreacionisma jak naukovoj disciplini na tom že stupne če i teoriji evoluciji posredstvem naturalnogo odbora, i stavit' opor prezentovaniju kreacionistskih teorij v vsekoj inoj discipline než religija.

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In this text I tried to mark palatalization as little as possible.

vsogo should be vsego
če might be a typo
širijut is the wrong aspect, should be šir'ajut

protiv kreacionisma

I am glad I don't have to write texts in Slovianski-N ... I'd have to learn so many prepositions connected with cases that are different from Czech ones. This one is connceted with dative in Czech, not with genitive.

Sovet Jevropi

I like to use eastern words for eastern unions (Sovetski Sojuz) and western words for western unions (Evropejska Unija). "Only" east Slavic and Bulgarian use the same word (sojuz) for both.

verovaniju

I think verit' is more common ... verovat' is only Serbo-Croatian.

počatka mira

Mir means only "peace" to west Slavs and Yugoslavs, so "world" should be svet.

Jevropa

I have alredy abandoned the initial j ... it is east Slavic only and creates more problems than solves.

In this text I tried to mark palatalization as little as possible.

And the result looks quite good.

Sovet Jevropi

I like to use eastern words for eastern unions (Sovetski Sojuz) and western words for western unions (Evropejska Unija). \"Only\" east Slavic and Bulgarian use the same word (sojuz) for both.

I slap myself, of course you meant the Council of Europe and not the European Union.

I agree with "verit" and "Europska Unia".

(in S-lingva it is "verit" and "Europe Unia" that is world-wide known)

kreacionistski

Shouldn't it be kreacionisticzni?

or "kreative"

"Creative" and "creationistic" don't have the same meaning at all.

"Kreative" is just adjective of "kreatit".

kreator - kreative - kreativo - kreatite - nakreatite -
- kreatit - kreatil - kreatim - kreacia - kreativita / kreatenie


This is roughly all what you can get from this word in S-lingva.

kreacionist is a person
so kreacionistski is correct

Technically it is correct, but how to pronounce it?

kommunisticzeskij
komunisticznij
komunisticzni
komunisticki
komunisticzki
komunicticzeski

Therefore it is the same case as any other adjective which ends (would end) in -ic(al) in English and therefore it should end in -iczni in Slovianski.

Why not just " kreator " that is the person.

Again, creator is not equal to creationist.

In the English original text it was creationist theories — no -ic suffix.

vsogo should be vsego

I would like it to be vsego, but would be irregular. To have it vsego I would have to mark palatalization of the consonant s somewhat (ves') — but I tried to be ‘palatalophobic’ here.

širijut is the wrong aspect, should be šir'ajut

Wrong aspect? I think it’s imperfective — just what I need... Not to mention that šir'at' means “to give a narcotic injection” in Russian slang.

I think verit' is more common ... verovat' is only Serbo-Croatian.

Yeah, but I thought that word vere would be too short, and its case wouldn’t be obvious, while the form verovaniju would be understood more clearly and universally.

Mir means only “peace” to west Slavs and Yugoslavs, so “world” should be svet.

Yeah, my mistake. By the way, I guess I found a good unambiguous traslation for “world”: ves svet.

I have alredy abandoned the initial j ... it is east Slavic only and creates more problems than solves.

Personally I preferred Evropa or Europa. But I changed it to Jevropejski because am trying to be lead by your opinion in such cases. Now you tell me it should be Evropejski... Well, okay.

In the English original text it was creationist theories — no -ic suffix.

Yes, but this is an "irregularity" of English, not of Slavic.

širijut is the wrong aspect, should be šir'ajut

Wrong aspect? I think it’s imperfective — just what I need...

I agree.

By the way, I guess I found a good unambiguous traslation for “world”: ves svet.

Not a bad idea.

Personally I preferred Evropa or Europa. But I changed it to Jevropejski because am trying to be lead by your opinion in such cases. Now you tell me it should be Evropejski... Well, okay.

Sorry ... You know, Slovianski is an everlasting bausxtela and I change my opinions much more frequently than my underwear.

It depends what you mean by "ves svet" or "vse svet".

Is it just what is on the Earth (and how far from it ? )

or you mean by this the whole universe ?

The best word for "universe" is probably vsesvet.

Why "Sovet Jevropy" ?

Is it some kind of "modernized russian" or Slovianski ?


why not spoloc'enstvo, or druz'estvo, or pospolitost, or sviazanie etc.

You are right here, it should probably be Rada Evropi.

rasšir'at' is a perfectly good Russian word that's imperfective
rasširit' is a perfectly good Russian word that's perfective

no idea on the perfectiveness of širit'

Czech has got szirit (imperfective) / rozszirit (perfective).

Naši r'ady šir'ats'a s každym časom — širit's'a is a regular Russian verb of imperfective aspect.

Why “Sovet Jevropy” ?

You are right here, it should probably be Rada Evropi.

We Russians know the word Rada of course — it's the name of the Ukrainian parliament (Verhovna Rada to be precise). Besides the fact that in minds of most Russians' minds it's associated with Ukraine only, it has other disadvantage: it would be understood as “parliament” by Russians, i.e. Rada Evropi looks rather like “PACE” for us, than “the Council of Europe”.

Sovet is a typical example of Russian + South Slavic word, and I guess it wins.

Naši r'ady šir'ats'a s každym časom — širit's'a is a regular Russian verb of imperfective aspect.


Good, you used šir'ats'a in your sentence, which is what I would use instead of širit

I meant maybe the conjugation has to be rethought and it should be širijat sa

because there are two paradigms

Sovet is a typical example of Russian + South Slavic word, and I guess it wins.

Normally it would, but because the word "rada" is known also in Russian, it wins.

But I guess I have found the solution: the word konsilium is found (at least) in east Slavic, Bulgarian, Macedonian, Czech and Croatian.

The word "rada" is known in Russian the same way the word "OK" is known in Russian - it's not part of the language, it's just known by SPEAKERS of Russian

OK, but we can stil have okej in Slovianski.

Why not have "dobre" or "dobro". Of course, "OK" or even "all right" is known all round the world and further hudreds of English words as well.

For "universe" there should be some better word as "vsesvet" which is rather difficult to pronounce. In a fluent speech it would be shortened to "sesvet"
that is easier to pronounce ( the same as instead "vtak" the slovaks pronounce it as "ftak" and "vc'era" as "fc'era" or "dcera" as "cera", that I seem it's a nonsese.

For "konsilium" - it's not bad but where have you left your principle of not using the foreign words if we have adequate expression in many slavic languages

(Anyway, I wouldn't be against "konsilium" at all)

For "konsilium" - it's not bad but where have you left your principle of not using the foreign words if we have adequate expression in many slavic languages

We don't have a more adequate expression in Slavic languages, no word seems to have more votes than konsilium.

Finally we come to common decision with just one word (konsilium).
It's good starting point.....