Posle novju konsultacia Sovet-Bezopasostum o priditsju statut Kosovom, USA utverdit razresxenie v 10 dnies.
"Mi i nasxi kolegi bu robit na presentovanie resolucia v tut tizxden", skazal US-Ambasador ot Sodinju Narodi, Zalmay Khalizad, v podnedelak (mest-vrem).
Priditsju tizxden vse 15 cxleni Sovet-Bezopasostum dolzxbi decidovat potom o ta resolucia.
(AP/jW)
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11. Juli 2007 sredak
USA Utverdit Rezolucia
Posle novju konsultacia Sovet-Bezopasostum o priditsju status Kosovom, USA utverdit razresxenie v 10 deni.
"Mi i nasxi kolegi bu robit na presentovanie rezolucia v tut tizxden", skazal US-Ambasador ot Sodinju Narodi, Zalmay Khalizad, v podnedelak (mest-vrem).
Priditsju tizxden vse 15 cxleni Sovet-Bezopasostum dolzxbi decidovat potom o ta rezolucia.
(AP/jW)
ta resolucia? Did I miss something, or Slovio has got genders lately?
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We can but we don't have to use articles. The universal definite article is "ta" (in English "the") as in these examples: ta zxen (the woman), ta pcxelis (the bees). Unlike English and unlike some other languages, in Slovio, there is no indefinite article. This is a compromise between languages which have two articles, and those with none. The word "ta" is invariable, like English "the" (but unlike the corresponding words in Italian, German, French and Spanish - which have variable articles).
Svetové mocnosti sa snažia dostať z diplomatického patu v otázke budúcnosti Kosova tým, že nepriamo nabádajú, aby Srbi alebo kosovskí Albánci navrhli rozdelenie spornej provincie.
Mocnosti sa však zdráhajú tento návrh predniesť samy, keďže na Balkáne oficiálne vylučujú akúkoľvek zmenu hraníc alebo rozdeľovanie po etnických líniách, uvádza agentúra Reuters.
Vzhľadom na to, že Rusko sa postavilo na stranu Srbska a je proti nezávislosti Kosova - ktorá je podľa USA, Británie, Nemecka, Francúzska a Talianska nevyhnutná -, na pôde OSN panuje patová situácia. Rozdelenie provincie môže byť jediným východiskom.
Šéf francúzskej diplomacie Bernard Kouchner je najnovším vysokopostaveným svetovým predstaviteľom, ktorý zúčastnené strany postrčil smerom k rozdeleniu Kosova - jednoducho tým, že takého riešenie nevylúčil.
"Neočakávajte od Francúzska, že takúto zmenu navrhne. V najkrajnejšom prípade by sa na tom museli dohodnúť Belehrad a Priština. A v tom prípade neviem, ako by mohlo byť Francúzsko proti," povedal Kouchner belehradským novinám pred dnešnou návštevou Srbska. Francúz pôsobil ako prvý šéf kosovskej misie OSN po konflikte z roku 1999.
Britský veľvyslanec v Srbsku Steven Wordsworth zaujal tento týždeň k záležitosti podobný postoj. "Rozdelenie nie je z mnohých dôvodov dobrým nápadom," povedal agentúre Beta, zároveň ale dodal: "Ak sa na tom obe strany na rokovaniach dohodnú, veci by sa zmenili."
Spojené národy chcú po ôsmich rokoch ukončiť svoju správu v Kosove a predať ju Európskej únii, ktorá má prevažne Albáncami obývanú provinciu priviesť k plnej nezávislosti. Samotná únia je však v otázke Kosova rozdelená a pre svoje pôsobenie v provincii si želá zjednocujúcu podporu vo forme mandátu OSN. OSN však nedokáže prijať príslušnú rezolúciu bez súhlasu Ruska. Moskva je proti riešeniu, s ktorým nebude súhlasiť Srbsko.
Najnovší návrh rezolúcie Bezpečnostnej rady OSN, ktorý vypracovali západné krajiny, vyzýva na dodatočných 120 dní rokovaní medzi Belehradom a Prištinou, napriek tomu, že nik od žiadnej zo strán zrejme neočakáva ústupky od základných postojov. Obe strany za sprostredkovania vyslanca OSN Marttiho Ahtisaariho rokovali 13 mesiacov bez náznaku zblíženia postojov.
Srbskej vláde blízky denník Politika tento mesiac priniesol vyjadrenie Jevgenija Primakova, že Kosovo by malo byť rozdelené. Primakov bol ruským premiérom, keď NATO v roku 1999 ignorovalo Moskvu, obišlo OSN a 11 týždňov bombardovalo Srbsko s cieľom vyhnať jeho jednotky z Kosova a zastaviť tamojší konflikt so separatistami.
Súčasný postoj Ruska, ktoré za osem rokov posilnilo svoju ekonomiku a medzinárodné postavenie, urobil dojem aj na mnohých Srbov, ktorí sú opatrnejší v otázke motívov Kremľa.
Srbský premiér Vojislav Koštunica oficiálne odmieta možnosť rozdelenia Kosova, rovnako aj kosovský premiér Agim Ceku. Nik z nich nechce byť tým prvým, ktorý rozdelenie navrhne - možno iba ak by bol tento krok úvodným krokom dobre naplánovaného diplomatického riešenia.
Zatiaľ nie je jasné, akým spôsobom sa ľady prelomia a ako sa rozdelenie Kosova dostane do oficiálnej agendy ako možné riešenie. Je možné, že bude musieť prísť od rešpektovanej postavy z mimovládnych kruhov.
Popredný srbský intelektuál a bývalý prezident Dobrica Čosič už vystúpil zo šíku a rozdelenie navrhol ako jediný spôsob, ako zachrániť aspoň časť Kosova, ktoré Srbi považujú za kolísku svojej štátnosti - a zároveň sa zbaviť problému tamojších dvoch miliónov nepriateľských Albáncov.
V severnej časti Kosova nad riekou Ibar žije približne 40.000 Srbov, ktorí majú v oblasti väčšinu. Zvyšných 60.000 žije - obklopených dvoma miliónmi Albáncov - v enklávach v iných častiach provincie. Väčšina enkláv sa sústredí na východnom a južnom okraji provincie a v okolí hlavného mesta Priština. Možnosť rozdelenia Kosova však vyvoláva obavy z oživenia albánskych povstaní v Macedónsku a Preševskom údolí na juhu Srbska, kde mnohí rebeli vidia nedokončenú prácu z konfliktov v rokoch 2000 a 2001.
V praxi je však Kosovo už teraz rozdelené. Sever spravuje Belehrad a nemá žiadne väzby s Prištinou. Táto časť provincie je pre kosovskoalbánskych lídrov neprístupná od skončenia vojny z rokov 1998-99, keď francúzski vojaci NATO vytvorili na rieke Ibar v Kosovskej Mitrovici líniu, aby poskytli Srbom v severnej časti mesta útočisko pred odvetnými útokmi Albáncov. Napriek oficiálnemu popieraniu zo strany Belehradu vplyvný mozgový trust International Crisis Group tvrdí, že rozdelenie Kosova je celý čas cieľom Srbska.
Serbs - fuck more so that you will be a majority population in Kosovo i Metohija. Take an example from fucking muslim albanians who are fucking every day and that's why they are so many there.
That's the problem with this forum, people don't realize the difference between Serbs and Albanians is mostly a linguistic one
And the difference between Serbs, Croatians, and Bosniaks was linguistic too? Serbs and Albanians are very different in many ways. Kosovar Serbs don't have more than two children, while for Albanians it's common to have 8-10 children. In Kosovo the average age of Serbs is 37 years, of Albanians is 25 years. Even if Albanians and Serbs would speak the same language, the confilict obviously wouldn't be resolved.
This is how Kosovo should be divided according to ethnic borders
And what are you gonna do with 200000 Serbs who fled from Kosovo since 1999 (and have no place to stay on the map of 2005)?
In enclaves, a poll should ideally be held about whether the enclave will join the surrounding state or remain to be an enclave.
Serbian enclaves already de facto exist in Kosovo. Do you know how they get food? That's simple: they are supplied by means of KFOR's military helicopters -- there's no other link with the outer world for them. No enclaves can exist in an independent Kosovo.
I already said once, that secession and segregation never solves ethnic conflicts. It just produces new conflicts, in new forms (like secession of Czechoslovakia created conflict of Sudetenland). The only constructive way of solving of such conflicts is the uniting and integration (e.g. not only Kosovo should be in the same state as Serbia, but the very Albania should be as well). If there is a reason of why two peoples can't live together, you should fight this reason, and not to fix it in state boundaries being led by it.
I remember what we felt when the Second Chechenian Campaign did started. It looked like apocalypsis, it seemed that the war will last for the next 50 years at least, till either we'll kill all the Chachenians, or Russia will lose whole Caucasus and maybe collapses even. But it never happened. Instead Putin managed to get Chechenia being ruled by Chechenians themselves and yet being loyal to us. Chechenia was our nightmare, it became our pride.
Everything is possible when you are reasonable and have enough willpower.
If they have that many children, then maybe it's better to educate them on proper use of condoms. Note that the countries with the best sexual education usually have negative population growth rates. Some people on this forum are saying the Serbs should have as many children, but that's just silly.
The difference between Serbs, Croats and Bosnians is a religious one. Originally, Serbs were Christian Orthodox, Croats were Roman Catholic, and Bosnians were Muslim. Of course, what each person identifies with and which religion they choose is their own choice, but that's the general trend. Linguistically, their languages differ less than the American English differs from British English.
About differences. I agree with iopq that the difference between (linguistically nearly identical) Serbs, Croats and Bosniaks is mainly religious and it can therefore seem a little bit artificial to a foreigner. In other words: the difference wouldn't have to exist / be emphasized if the respective nations didn't wish it. (However, they wish it, and let it be so.)
However, Serbs and Albanians come from two different worlds. I know, Eugeniusx will probably accuse me of racism now, but Eugeniusx please note that it is not at all racist if I say, for example, "a lot of Roma people are good musicians". It is simply a statement. Denying the differences makes nobody any less racist.
About the Serbs expelled from Kosovo. I compared the demographical maps of Kosovo from 1991 and 2005. From a macroview, they are identical. From a microview, I wouldn't be against using the 1991 map - but how would it help? Are the expelled Serbs going to come back to the situation they fled away from? That would be as crazy as if some Germans wanted to come back to Sudetenland in the 1950s - Czechs would probably pelt them to death with naked hands. The hate was really big after the war.
About enclaves. We have already an attested example of an enclave that survived in the very heart of the enemy's territory: West Berlin. Food was also supplied by helicopters there, at the beginning at least. I am looking for the Kosovo Wall and for Vladimir Putin visiting Serbian Kosovo, giving the "Jesam kosovski Srbin" speech ... :-?
About Czechoslovakia and Sudetenland. Hellerick, you mentioned that the secession of Czechoslovakia created conflints in Sudetenland. Well, it wouldn't have created them if Czechoslovakia seceded according to ethnically fair borders. The Munich agreement resolved the problem. Unfortunately, the promising peaceful future of the area was destroyed by another problem that managed to be born in the meanwhile - the Nazism. But who knows, maybe the Nazism wouldn't have been born if the politicians in Versailles didn't allow so many Germans to be discriminated in the eastern countries ...
About Kosovo. I completely agree with your theory, Hellerick, that it would be the best for Europe if it consisted either of city states, or of big supernational empires with no nation's majority/domination. However, Europe has already taken another way - the way of nation states. Nevertheless, if you are able to persuade Kosovo Albanians that although Europe is full of nation states, they shouldn't want their own one - then I sincerely wish good luck to you and your optimism.
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Gabriel Svoboda
Posted Jul 14, 2007 12:50 PM
About Kosovo. I completely agree with your theory, Hellerick, that it would be the best for Europe if it consisted either of city states, or of big supernational empires with no nation's majority/domination. However, Europe has already taken another way - the way of nation states. Nevertheless, if you are able to persuade Kosovo Albanians that although Europe is full of nation states, they shouldn't want their own one - then I sincerely wish good luck to you and your optimism.
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Then why the hell the same "Europe", which has "already taken another way - the way of nation states" refuse to grant the same right to independence to Croats and (pro-Russian) Serbs in Bosnia??? After all, absolute (!) majority of the citizens in Bosnia and Herzegovina are Serbs and Croats who want separation (since the same people wanted separation in Yugoslavia)!
Or why the same "Europe" which has "already taken another way" refuse to grant independence to Slavs (Russians and Ukrainians) in Transdniestria in Moldova who constitute more than 75% of the province?
Or why the same Europe refuses to grant independence to Turks in Cyprus for many decades now?
Or to Basques in Basque country in Spain?
Or to pro-Russian Ossetians in South Ossetia?
Or to pro-Russian Armenians in Nagorno-Karabakh?
Or to pro-Russian Abkhazians in Abkhazia?
Or to anti-American Palestinians in their historic land? Not only that they did not allow Palestine to emerge, but even more the same Europe tolerated ethic cleaning of MILLIONS (!!!) of Palestinians by the Israeli armada!
Why the same Europe, "which has already taken another way", insists to give certain rights to Kosovo Albanians and at the same time refuses to grant the same rights to all the other peoples who are not very pleased with Europe, USA and West in general? Are Croats and Serbs in Bosnia less worth than Kosovo Albanians?
Is it maybe because of the largest American military base in Europe built in Kosovo, or is it just double standards policy?
I just want to remind all of you than West insists that possible Kosovo independence shall not be used as a precedent in Security Council of the UN - they explicitly state this in the UN SC resolution which Russia is refusing to accept.
Rosia otvergil natisk ot USA i ot inju proti-Slaviansk krainis, ucxastit peregvoris o buvremju status om Kosovo takak bil predlozxilju v raport ot protislaviansk rasist, Ahtisaari. Soglosuo s Rosju ministr zagrancief Ahtisaari ne es i nigda bil neutralju. Serbju medialis tut den obnazxili verimju obvinenies zxe Ahtisaari polucxil neskolk milion Euro podkup-dengif ot Kosovoju mafia ktor planijt zudelat iz Kosovo svoi centr dla torgenie s bialju miaso, dla kontrabandenie s narkivo i dla pracxie grazju dengif.
2007-07-15, posubotak.
Serbju prezident Boris Tadicx kritikil usilie Europsoiuzuf otrvat Kosovo ot Serbia i skazal zxe Serbia bu besedit o Kosovo tolk takak socxast Serbiaf.
2007-07-13, piatak.
Rosia otvergil natisk ot USA i ot inju proti-Slaviansk krainis, ucxastit peregvoris o buvremju status om Kosovo takak bil predlozxilju v raport ot protislaviansk rasist, Ahtisaari. Soglosuo s Rosju ministr zagrancief Ahtisaari ne es i nigda bil neutralju. Serbju medialis tut den obnazxili verimju obvinenies zxe Ahtisaari polucxil neskolk milion Euro podkup-dengif ot Kosovoju mafia ktor planijt zudelat iz Kosovo svoi centr dla torgenie s bialju miaso, dla kontrabandenie s narkivo i dla pracxie grazju dengif.
We are talking about muslim as religion not as someone's nationality.
You (and nobody else) can mix up relion with citizenship or nationality.
These are 2 antagonistic things.
You (and nobody else) can mix up relion with citizenship or nationality.
I don't mixup anything — the Yugoslavian goverment did. And the ones who had drawn the map were perfectly correct (at least according to the official point of view). Sure "Muslims by nationality" prefer to be called "Bosniaks", by this term hardly can be used for the residents of Dragaš.
And for goodness' sake, choose a screen name already. It's difficult to react when you don't know whether you talk with one person or several.
"Ot gde pridit tut Albani faktuo?", pital Otto von Bismarck, Nemcju Kancler, na Berlinju Balkan-konferencia 1878. "Me malju muhi, ktor bu obrotit zxeludok ot celo Sviat", otvetil Turcju-Albanju diplomat Abdullah Fraseri.
Ked v roku 1999 juhoslovanska armada vytlacila albanskych teroristov do pohranicnych hor, prerusila sa balkanska drogova cesta do Europy, zacinajuca sa priamo na pobrezi Albanska...
Zapadni geneticki zlocinci zjavne profituju na obchode s drogami, ked ihned zacali s bombardovanim Juhoslavie a efekt je znamy... Albanski teroristi dnes zasobuju volne drogami z Afganistanu celu Europu... Napr. podla oficialnych udajov zo Svajciarska je vo vazeni za drogy 95 percent vaznov albanskej narodnosti...!!!
V Afganistane tzv. Taliban potlacil vyrobu drog na minimum..., dnesnu situaciu popisuje clanok...
Vyšetrujú obvinenia, že Ahtisaari prijímal úplatky
Hovorca srbského parlamentu Oliver Dulič vyzval k formálnemu vyšetrovaniu obvinení, že fínsky vyslanec v Kosove MartiAhtisaari údajne prijal od predstaviteľa albánskeho organizovaného zločinu úplatky v hodnote 2miliónov eur, aby vypracoval správu, obsahujúcu odporučenie nezávislosti pre srbskú provinciu Kosovo.
Správu o údajnom prijatí úplatkov priniesla počas víkendu spravodajská agentúra v Bosne Focus auviedlo sa v nej, že nemecké tajné služby (Bundesnachrichtendienst - BND) údajne odhalili, žena kontá, patriace Ahtisaarimu, pribudlo 2 milióny eur a že Ahtisaari bol najmenej pri dvoch príležitostiach príjemcom súm, ktorých celková hodnota predstavuje 40 miliónov eur.
Brigadier BND Luke Neiman, ktorý operáciu riadil, vraj zaznamenal konverzáciu Ahtisaariho s nemenovaným etnickým Albáncom, ktorý hovoril o prenose dvoch miliónov na Ahtisaariho konto. Na dvoch kontách, patriacich Ahtisaarimu, figuruje meno Exheta Boriu, kosovského Albánca, o ktorom je známe, že patrí do vysokých kruhov albánskeho organizovaného zločinu, ktorý dominuje obchodu s heroínom v Európe. Nemecké tajné služby takisto zaznamenali príchod džípu, patriaceho vláde kosovských Albáncov do budovy, kde sídlil vyslanec OSN a pasažieri mu odovzdali dva diplomaické kufríky striebornej farby. Agenti údajne neskôr potvrdili, že boli plné bankoviek.
Podľa agentúry Focus nemecké tajné služby už o záležitosti informovali OSN. ...
Serbianna http://www.serbianna.com/news/2007 /06/01886.shtml
Zlocinec Ahtisaari takto predal za drogove peniaze cudziu zem...!!!
Mozno sa ukaze, ze aj lord Runciman v roku 1938 zapredal Hitlerovi CSR za pekny balik dolarov...!!!
Platia dve zasady v styku so zapadnymi genetickymi zlocincami:
1. Nikdy im neverte ani slovo, ziadne zmluvy nedodrzia...
2. Ak by sa vam zdalo, ze asi hovoria pravdu, potom plati bod c. 1.
