Slovianski-P (nigde ne jest' napisano, czo mnenija od prevoditel' soglosijut s mnenija od avtor):

Jesli to, czo l'udi v Zapadna Evropa majut tak dobri standard od z'itije (95 % l'udi ma dobri standard od z'itije, tol'ko mnoge iz nim ne znajut obcenit' to – moz'livo bi pomogli puti v Afrika, v Severna Koreja ili v Kuba za granici od hoteli), jest' priczineno od konspiracijne teoriji i konspiratori, ja soglosiju s to. Tutto bude zvuczit' ciniczno, ale ja hoczu z'it' svoje svobodno z'itije tak, jak ja jego z'iju tutden', hot' ja znaju, czo politika od svet jest' vladana od nadnarodne korporaciji i ine nikto-nezna-czo, hvalno ktore Zapad jest' taki, jaki tutden' jest'. Tutto jest' visze dobro, nez' z'it' v svet bez Busz i ine, ale tak, jak z'ijut na primer v Somalija. I kto kaz'e, czo on bi hotel z'it' tak, jest' veliki licemer.

To jest' okrutno, ale v svet prosto ne jest' tak mnogo material, prostor, energija itd., czobi 6 miliardi l'udi moglo mat' komputer, avtomobil, polni hlodil'nik i ADSL internet ... Vsegda jest' treba, czobi nekto bil eksploatovatel' i nekto eksploatovani. I jesli tamte vasze konspiracijne teoriji su to, czo garantuje, czo ja jesem eksploatovatel' i ne eksploatovani, togda ja jesem blogodarni k nim za to. Jak ja napisal, vsegda bude tak ... I za czo czut' vinovni? Za to, czo ja bil rodeni v czast' od svet, ktora vigriva? Ja tol'ko moz'u posilat' groszi dl'a Afrika, czo ja negda cziniju.

Krome to, ja misliju, czo vse podobcen'ujut sila od czlovek ... No i jak Aksamitna Revolucija (1989), hvalno k ktora mi tut mamo nemnogo visze svoboda? Ona bila toz' priczinena od masoni? Ili od CRU? Ili od nejaki supertajni konsorcium od produkovateli od odedz'a (Nike, Reebok, Adidas), ktore potrebovali novi torg i za to oni podkupili lid`ri od komunisticzna partija, czobi oni zakonczili komunizm, czobi novi tip od kedi mogl bit' prodavani tut?

Gabriel, would you please kindly write you text in English too, so that we may try to guess what your Slovianski text means?

Oops I have not noticed you published the translation. So, those were trips to Africa? Yeah, it sounds very confusing.

Yeah, the text seems over-complicated, especially the first sentence. You can't be as free in Slovianski-P as in Czech, you have to re-do every sentence in more somple and "pidginish" way. And what are "puti v Afrika"? The author was so concerned about the condition of African roads?

I would re-write the first paragraph in this way:

Zapadno-Evropej’ci majut naj-dobri standard od žitije — 95% žijut dobro, hot' i ne cen'ujut to; i mogli bi pomogat' deti v Afrika, Severna Koreja ili Kuba, a ne tol'ko personal od hoteli. Jesli to je rezul'tat od konspiracijne teoriji, to jest' jedno dobro dl'a mne. To bude zvučat' cinično, ale ja hoču žit' tak, jak ja žiju tutden'. Hot' ja znaju čo nad-nacional'ne korporaciji i nikto-nezna-kto vladajut vsa svetova politika; i hval'no to Zapad jest' taki jaki on jest' tutden'. To jest' više dobro než žit' ne v svet bez Buš i ine take politiki, a tak jak žijut na primer v Somalija. I kto kaže, čo on bi hotel žit' tak, jest' veliki licemer.

"Okrutno"? I don't understand this word. Maybe you should use "surovo"? It's meaning is somewhat different in some languages, but at least it exists in every language.

And about the content of the text... Insead of justification of policy of the West such kind of logic can rather be used as justification of anti-western policy.

best word for trip: putovanije; it will be understood by all slavs (as long as they make parallels like putovanije = putešestvije)

in Slovianski-N I think it sounds slightly better:
Jesli to, čo l'udi v Zapadnoj Evrope majut takoj dobri standard žitija (devjat'desjat' pjat' procentov l'udej majut dobri standard žitija, tol'ko mnoge iz nih ne obcenijut togo – možlivo pomogli bi putovanija v Afriku, Severnu Koreju, ili v Kubu za granici hotelej), jest' pričineno konspiracioni teorijami i konspiratorami, ja s tem soglosni.

compare to:
Jesli to, czo l'udi v Zapadna Evropa majut tak dobri standard od z'itije (95 % l'udi ma dobri standard od z'itije, tol'ko mnoge iz nim ne znajut obcenit' to – moz'livo bi pomogli puti v Afrika, v Severna Koreja ili v Kuba za granici od hoteli), jest' priczineno od konspiracijne teoriji i konspiratori, ja soglosiju s to.


Your page Sl-P says:

Adjectives derived from these nouns end in -zioni: televizijni.
so I am confused now but konspiracioni sounds better?

Consider the fact that the source text has terrible style, I think this is why Hellerick improved the style

OK, guys, thank you for your ideas, I agree with most of the changes (style, trip = putovanije).

In this case, surovi would not be bad (it means "violent" to my Czech ear, so it fits the context too) ... but for the pure meaning "cruel", okrutni has won the vote.

Televiznijni is correct, -zioni was my typo only. I don't knat what is in majority, but -zijni is attested and more regular, so Slovianski-P adopts it.

Ne imame potreb kritikovat stil tut tekstum (mozxuo to bezuspehju perevod ot Germanio do Angloio) no ale kontent ot ih ne mozxime akzeptovat.
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Tut tekst bil ocxviduo pisalju ot ekstremju zapad-bezvolnik. Ne cxasto vidat takai glupju antikomunistju i rasistju pisanie.
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Nasx zapadju sluzxnik pisal:
...95% of people [from Western Europe - E.S.] have a good standard of living, just a lot of them don't know to appreciate it...
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Vlad-gvornik Herr Thomas Stieg opisal, zxe
deti-bieda vo Nemcia es ostrju (brennend(de)) socjalju problem.
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Nasx slepju sluzxnik zapadju skribal:
...what might help would be trips to Africa, to North Korea or to Kuba outside hotel's borders...
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ot Wikipedia:
...Trotz der Probleme liegt der Lebensstandard in Kuba laut dem Human Development Index in den entsprechenden Bereichen noch deutlich über dem fast aller lateinamerikanischen Länder sowie Russlands und der Volksrepublik China. Kuba hat im Vergleich zum Rest Lateinmerikas und Teilen der restlichen Welt eine niedrigere Kindersterblichkeitsrate(nur 6 von 1000 Kindern sterben), höhere Lebenserwartung (77 Jahre - 7 Jahre mehr als durchschnittlich in Lateinamerika) und weniger Analphabetismus.
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Nasx mozgcxistju bezvolnik zapadju podstrekal:
...although I know that the world's politics is ruled by supranational corporations and other nobody-knows-what, thanks to which the West is as it is today. This is better than to live in a world without Bush and others, but in the way it is lived for example in Somalia. And who says he would like to live so is a big make-believer...
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Predprimetilju cxerkanie (scribble(uk)) es afront npr. proti:
- 7 milion (to tolk ofisju cxislo) biedniki ot Nemcia, kto dostajut ot vladum pomoc, ktor es ne mnoguo dla zxizn dostoinju i za mnoguo dla umerit;
- Sto milionum ludi kto zxiznjut i robit v "subsistence farming" dostoinostum.
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Ja znam sxto gvorijm. Ja domovil cxtir rocx vo Etiopia.

Eugeniusx

And my uncle was in Cuba this spring, and what he told about the country sounds miserable: absence of private TV-sets (one TV-set costs one-year's salary, and Cubans have to watch TV in telecafeterias), nearly no cars newer than 50 years old, no working buses (the old defunct buses are used as trailers dragged by trucks), girls whose only dream is to become state-owned prostitutes, restricted freedom of travel (before coming everywhere outside the hotel my uncle had to inform officials on the previous day and get a permission). Not to mention a funny incident: when he came to the country, he was told by the airport officials that all his electonic gadgets (video and photo cameras, cell plone etc.) were stolen, and later when he departed the mentioned items were miraculously "found by police".

7 milion (to tolk ofisju cxislo) biedniki ot Nemcia

German "biedniki" would be considered rich people in most countries. I know several families whose members emigrated to Germany, and I know how they live there. They usually don't work (they prefer to go on the dole), get free houses, buy cars and even send money to their relatives in Russia.

V noci z pondelka na utorok uplynie 39 rokov od invazie vojsk Varsavskej zmluvy do vtedajsieho Ceskoslovenska, ktora zmarila nadeje vkladane do obrodneho demokratizacneho procesu v komunistickej strane a v spolocnosti. Vpad vojsk definitevne pochoval Prazsku jar, s ktorou sa spaja predovsetkym meno Alexandra Dubceka.

Vojaci piatich krajin Varsavskej zmluvy vtrhli na ceskoslovenske uzemie kratko pred polnocou 20. augusta 1968. Sovietski, nemecki, polski, madarski a bulharski vojaci prisli zasiahnut v mene ceskoslovenskych pracujucich, socialistickeho spolocenstva a medzinarodneho revolucneho hnutia. Na invazii sa nepodielalo Rumunsko, ktore bolo tiez sucastou byvaleho socialistickeho bloku.